Sometimes you just have to laugh. One of my blog spawn (a not so anonymous academic at a “respected institution of higher learning”) decided to have a go at our post: Despicable climate ugliness courtesy of Lawrence Torcello – assistant professor of philosophy at Rochester Institute of Technology
Yet in his typical ivory tower enabled myopia, his case gets weakened by yet another (not so) anonymous coward who’s hoping for my perp walk to The Hague:
But the Nazis were only small potatoes – they merely murdered millions. But right now, today, we are witnessing the murder-in-slow-motion of at least a billion people. A crime perpetrated primarily through the use of a concerted propaganda campaign. Can anyone explain to me how it was proper to prosecute Goebbels, yet the Koch brothers and the former head of Exxon Mobil should not be similarly prosecuted?
And yes, I believe Anthony Watts should be frogmarched to The Hague as well. No question, in my mind. In fact, I find the idea of a defense of his actions ethically reprehensible.
That comment was written by “gingerbaker” who just happens to be easy to find, since the link in his comment to his photo website and photo store is public information.
So, Bill Forsyth who I believe is “Ginger Baker”, you are welcome to tell me to my face right here, that exercising my constitutional free speech right to an opinion on climate is worthy of a war crimes style trial.
UPDATE: Speaking of musical connections (“Ginger Baker” is the drummer in Cream) maybe we can piggyback this trial onto the other first amendment trial, the Mann-Steyn Steamroller
For you scooter riding youngsters, who don’t get the joke, see this.
UPDATE2: Since the academic host of “and then theres hatespeech physics” decided that he’d better disappear the comment, once word got out he was being criticized for it, I offer this helpful screencap:
UPDATE3: Brandon Schollenberger looks at the larger universe of stupid surrounding that comment and the website, saying Stupidity is the real offense.
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That’s odd. I would think that it would be Bill Forsythe who would want it cleared up that he wasn’t Gingerbaker, not the other way round, given being known as a climate n*zi probably wouldn’t be a desirable thing.
Mr Baker is a thoroughly nasty piece of work. I wouldn’t like to be caught taking his name in vane 😉
http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2013/may/15/ginger-baker-beware-mr-baker-interview
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philjourdan,
Yep, it is reasonable.
John
the “off with their heads” remark was not my sincere opinion, FYI. However I am alarmed that such ideas of punishing CAGW skeptics as guilty of future crimes against humanity with severe Draconian measures (i.e. death) is being floated by the CAGW camp. Historically, witch hunts resulted in murder of many innocent people.
I perceive ‘gingerbaker’ {who may or may not be Bill Forsyth} as necessarily intolerant (to free individualist climate related thought) because he is calling for socially implemented intellectual collectivism on behalf of CAGW ideology.
Don’t be extreme wrt supporting either collectivism or individualism? I would find it intellectually extreme for anyone who is fundamentally a philosophical individualist to accept any compromise with the philosophy of collectivism. It would not be a moderate position to compromise in that context, it would be an extreme intellectual collapse.
John
And, from an apparent CAGW religious believer of intolerance, anti-science, flat-earth (well, linear extrapolation-of-climate) theist, we have multiple examples of that extremism in just a few sentences.
The absolute anti-science rejection of any alternate theory,
The denial of 18 years of evidence against his religious belief in CAGW
The absolute trust in the propagandist faith of the priests (er, so-called scientists) of his religion
The absolute faith in the bureaucracy of an unaccountable, unknown, unelected, and absolute world government controlling the world’s energy supplies to the death of millions of its people.
The absolute faith in government-paid employees using government grants in government institutions to seek additional government-funded money to pay additional government bureaucracies to generate trillions in special additional taxes and laws from other government bureaucrats to benefit elected government bureaucrats and tyrants.http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/wp-admin/edit-comments.php#comments-form
Explicit threats against those who simply wish to actually apply actual scientific method to theories opposing his religion and his intolerance
Oh, by the way, McCarthy was right. There WERE Communists, communist sympathizers, and communist assistants at many levels within the upper bureaucracies of each department and agency, exactly as charged. We regret now that he was wrongly silenced by the liberal extremists of the day, wrongly hated and attacked for being .. well, right.
Mr Baker, whoever he is, mistakes his dreams for reality:
1) There are good reasons why environment is not even sited in The Universal Declaration of Human Rights. http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/
2) Only states may be parties before the court. http://www.icj-cij.org/documents/index.php?p1=4&p2=2&p3=0.
Mark Bofill writes “Yet you link to his blog via your handle.”
That happens by default if you’re logged in to a wordpress site as the administrator as I suspect “gingerbaker” was.
All these gingerbaker comments seem somewhat just nasty, without any credibility, somewhat threatening without substance. I would not be surprised that he or she is a much younger person and like some grumpy teenager tries to rationalize their discontent by blaming the other persons who do not agree with them. And then saying, we are getting to get you as we know where you live. Heard that one before folks, haven’t you? Go and hug you Teddy bear and leave it to the adults that know better.
TTTM,
So, gingerbaker is an administrator of Forsyth’s site?
Sorry, I know nothing about wordpress. 🙂
Mark Bofill writes “So, gingerbaker is an administrator of Forsyth’s site?”
I’ve no doubt there are other possibilities such as simply manually adding the wordpress site address to the “Website” field before posting but IMO simply being logged in to your own wordpress site (and having the Name’s link automatically populated) is by far the most likely scenario.
Will the real Ginger Baker please stand up?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1931388/
Thomas Lee Elifritz says:
March 19, 2014 at 1:59 pm
“If you’ve got these kinds of problems that the OP indicates, then you need to own up to them.”
I’m not exactly sure what you want. Are you denying that there are people in the world desperate for food and clean water? Are you denying the corruption and greed that often overshadows that sort of poverty too? Do you think less co2 would magically cure that? Do you live in a bad scifi movie where the scientist saves the world? Food as fuel is just one of the enormously stupid and destructive ideas brought about by AGW. There are many more. Maybe you bought the whole economy is recovering, the new normal and there is no inflation propaganda too huh? Little hint: any numbers can be manipulated in a GIGO model.
Perhaps your need to feel significant makes you wish that mankind was back at the center of the universe and at fault for all its ills. You could just strap on your superman cape and save us poor fools right? Will you be calling for sacrifices to appease the climate in your AGW religion too? Oh wait, already done. I suspect however, the thought that we are powerless insignificant blips in this planets chaotic timeline is the thing that scares you most. Perhaps your ego cannot take the truth of your insignificant existence or the sting of being so wrong you are considered a joke .. either way, WE DON’T BELIEVE YOU!! You have no credibility, period.
and by all means, record my IP, your veiled intimidation only makes you look more pitiful because I seriously doubt you have the balls to confront anyone face to face because we would just laugh and dismiss you as the dupe you appear to be. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dupe
pkatt,
Very good analysis of the execrable little Elf. But he seems to have vanished, after his troll-like hit ‘n’ run appearance. With luck, we will hear no more from him.
gingerbaker, last seen hiding in a white room with black curtains….
Gingerbaker
At least have the dignity to apologise. Or better still explain to us what it is you think we are denying.
Thank you.
These sensationalistic comments by Ginger are purile. Just go and peel a grape, it will test your intelligence for once.
And this is new? Of course I’m not in the same league as many, but I can certainly see a re education camp in my future. To put that idea out there is about as damming argument to AGW as you can get. Don’t debate the science, just threaten. It is a double edge sword, it can cut both ways. What makes him think that there aren’t people of thinking of doing that to him if he’s proved wrong. And here’s the logic, if you are interested. Knowingly lying about this, falsifying the data, strong arming people and organizations and trying to end free debate in an open and free society for the purpose of a political agenda can be construed as treason.
rishrac, you make a very good point. He (Mann) and his colluding cohorts and supporters are feeling the cold and being frozen out of the realm of credibility bordering on fraud. His methodology with his bristlecone tree rings was way off the mark to use this tree that is an evergreen for starters and a slow grower for another reason. One tree does not make a forest. That is pure academic suicide should he be found an idiot and so will all his other alarmists who have published tripe too.
I mean to say, he and others of his type surely knew what they were doing and usually those that corrupt the data to fit their hypothesis, are usually criticized by academics who can prove them wrong. And there are many of them. His main objection to them is defamation? I mean to say why doesn’t he sue Anthony and all the posters on this site. Would he be then be fulfilled and self righteous? No – he can’t do it. Treason usually is concerned with putting one’s country in danger by selling confidential secrets etc., but I see your point.