Paging Lord Deben
I had debated with myself a couple of days as to whether or not to cover this particular bit of ugliness, after it first being brought to my attention by Bishop Hill. But then, Lord Deben of the UK made this observation:
I challenge Lord Deben to find examples of climate skeptics doing anything remotely close to this sort of ugliness that is much like of the tactics of the Klu Klux Klan – showing up at somebody’s house with mask covered faces, torches, and a threat:
Source:
‘The People’ Confront Enbridge Executive In Solidarity With MI CATS 3
http://www.tarsandsblockade.org/enbridge-home-demo/
(update: their website is no longer serving that page, so here it is as a PDF Tar Sands Blockade – Enbridge )
One of these days, they’ll show up at the wrong house, like their comrades did with the wrong petrol station, and the person inside won’t be as tolerant as Mr. Maki was, and that won’t be pretty:
In case Lord Deben doesn’t know, this “tar sands blockade” is an organization that is part of Bill McKibben’s 350.org and their mission to stop Keystone XL due to their concerns about the supposed effect on the climate.
(Update: Amazingly, McKibben supported this action, see screencap below)
And, perhaps Lord Deben doesn’t recall this example of ugliness from like minded people in the UK on climate, who decided that blowing up school children would be a great way to get the message of climate obedience and compliance across:
It was so bad, 10:10 tried to disappear it, but they were unsuccessful.
And, maybe Lord Deben hasn’t seen this:
Lefty Feud Over Keystone Worsens, Ed Schultz Telling Enviros to ‘Go to Hell’
It seems even the left leaning media is realizing the KXL people are going off the rails.
I challenge Lord Deben to find similar examples from climate skeptics. I’ll even given you a guest essay here to highlight it if you like.
Reference:
‘your journey towards the dark side will be complete’ with apologies to “Emperor Palpatine”
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Motormouth, you need to read the thread again. It’s still there, if you read things without shooting from the hip you would have seen it. When asked earlier in the evening if your claim was true, I responded to another poster thus:
The poster asked this:
I was wondering why you are so present, polite, and well, professional (if vague) in your replies. I didn’t take you for a loony (though I’ve run across a few rational seeming ones). I figured you for a paid troll, and I think I’m right on that. But, you are in “The industry”, a lot of what you say makes more sense now.
I responded with this
Thanks Randle, not one of my papers or comments. You are correct, I do have a few papers to my name, but that is someone different. I’m not a paid lobbyist in this area, but I do lobby on a political basis in other areas. I try an remain polite because I believe that civil discussion brings out the best in people and is the most productive approach. It also drives the trolls crazy which is a bonus.
As you now may have realised I lobby on health issues, specifically Cancer and Mental health. But you seemed to be determined to conflate me with another chap. One of the things I learned over many years in Psychiatry is that if delusions are challenged they can be re-enforced, so once I had pointed out I was not this man I refrained on debating the issue with you. You can be somewhat brittle to be diplomatic, and I did not wish to undermine and interesting date by giving you an excuse to explode was it were. Hopefully you are now convinced that i am someone completely different?
ps That should read ‘an interesting debate’ auto-correct interfering again!
Gareth Phillips says:
February 9, 2014 at 12:40 pm
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You seem to be confused. In your “mental health profession” could it be possible that you have a projection of anger to manifest itself into confusion?
REPLY: After checking, this particular Gareth Phillips lives far away in Wales, too far for a daily commute to the Sindicatum office in London – anthony
Sorry Anthony but it is still probably the same guy. You have to understand the british way of working in these green organisations. They tend to spend time away from their main offices, work from home and travel in by train when necessary. The commute from Sth Wales, for example, is not unreasonable in the UK. There are many people who commute from Doncaster in the north, every day.
Gareth Phillips says:
February 9, 2014 at 11:23 am
To be honest as a fairly prolific blogger on all shades of the climate debate
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Any time someone opens with “To be honest” you can be sure that what follows is not. It is like the word “but” in a sentence. I really like you but, … To be honest, ….
Never try and BS an old BS’er.
Richard, it seems our posts are indeed overlapping. I’m not going to argue this but I am really not the chap you believe me to be and I am not going to debate this any further. If you have anything relevant to this thread I’d be happy to respond, same with the Black Swan thread.
Gareth Phillips,
You say you are a prolific enviro blogger. If the link found is not you, kindly direct us to your site for verification. It is odd to claim that someone who you share names with yet don’t know is handsome? Maybe a little self-indulging ego popped up? If the link is you, then I would suggest some counseling, it is sad to see someone hide from who they truly are. Do you even hide your true location? Have to wonder why you would do that, maybe the tax man cometh?
Just pondering…:)
It’s Ku Klux Klan. And there are no tarsands in Canada, that would be La Brea tar pits in California.
Debden is not worth getting excited about. He is universally despised in the Uk by left and right. If he sides with the “Ecoloons”, that’s great; a bit like having Hitler on your PR team!
Gareth Phillips:
Come now, your history of mendacity on WUWT shows you can do much better than your post at
February 9, 2014 at 12:51 pm.
It claims you have answered my questions, and that you answered them with a post on the other thread which you quoted. But that quote does NOT answer my questions: it evades them.
Indeed, it is clear that others did not recognise your post as being a rebuttal of the revelation of your identity by Randle Dewees because people continued to mention your being a shill after that on the thread where you posted it.
Richard
Nice try at being fair, reasonable & equitable, Mr Watts.
Expect tumbleweed to blow across your pc……
Mods:
I would be grateful if my post in moderat1on were recovered as a matter of urgency.
Sorry about this but I think you will understand why when you see its content.
Richard
It is a bit weird that a prolific enviro blogger doesn’t advertise his blog at any opportunity. All the prolific bloggers I know will always try and sneak in their blog’s URL into every conversation.
Gareth,
Do you have a profile on LinkedIn?
There are 25 people listed with your name.
Deben’s comments apply first and foremost to alarmists, not skeptics – and to himself. Skeptics offer facts and physical proof, alarmists offer ad hominem, invective, abuse and threats. What a lying sniveling hypocrite the man is.
@ferdberple – well said.
Brad says:
February 9, 2014 at 12:58 pm
Gareth Phillips,
You say you are a prolific enviro blogger. If the link found is not you, kindly direct us to your site for verification. It is odd to claim that someone who you share names with yet don’t know is handsome? Maybe a little self-indulging ego popped up? If the link is you, then I would suggest some counseling, it is sad to see someone hide from who they truly are. Do you even hide your true location? Have to wonder why you would do that, maybe the tax man cometh?
Just pondering…:)
Hi Brad, I think you have substantialy more information on me than I have on anyone else on this thread. I know that there are many disappointed people who were excited at the prospect of having a climate lobbyist cornered, sorry to disappoint you. My blog is unrelated to climate change so is of no relevance. I also would like to protect it if that’s ok, incidentally I don’t have to verify anything, apart from possibly to Anthony who I trust with confidential information.. By the way I know this chap is handsome because Richard kindly supplied a photograph. I really would like to be worried about the taxman because that would mean I had enough finance to be worried about. Next please. 🙂
richardscourtney says:
February 9, 2014 at 1:05 pm
Mods:
I would be grateful if my post in moderat1on were recovered as a matter of urgency.
Sorry about this but I think you will understand why when you see its content.
Richard
Richard, don’t worry about it, it was an easy mistake to make and understandable in the circumstance. In reality, it was quite funny so don’t be over concerned about your posts. Cheers G
Gareth Ph1ll1ps:
I fail to understand your post addressed to me at February 9, 2014 at 1:15 pm.
I made no “mistake” of which I am aware.
I think the issue is serious and fail to see anything “funny” about it.
And my post has still not appeared so I fail to understand how you can comment on it.
Richard
albertalad says:
February 9, 2014 at 11:57 am
My province is under constant attack, my city is under constant assault from all over the world, the entire oil based industry is under daily attack up to and including the US White House
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Yet they are happy to buy oil from countries that wish for their destruction. Countries that will use the oil money to further this aim. Reward your enemies and punish your friends. What could possibly go wrong.
Mods.
Sincere thanks for resurrecting my post at February 9, 2014 at 1:02 pm which has now appeared. It is here.
Richard
It is easy to think that someone using inexact terminology like “climate naysayers” is scientifically illiterate. However, this would be underestimating what they are doing, this is clever spin or more correctly, propaganda. By using these terms they move away from the positions that have become indefensible such as ‘children not knowing what snow is’ – olive groves in UK – no skiing possible in Scotland – all due to the warmth that was forecast but which has not come. Therefore, use ‘climate’ alone as if ‘climate’ is a threat. This not only moves them away from the indefensible but makes arguing with someone with such inexact terminology close to impossible. The same goes for the move to ‘carbon’ as in ‘carbon footprint’ or ‘carbon pollution’ – they cannot use the ‘carbon dioxide green house gas’ arguments now as 17 years have gone by with no warming and as Viscount Monckton is now repeatedly pointing out there is a considerable gap between projections of warming and actual temperatures. Lord Deben (John Gummer) needs the Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming scare to continue as he makes money and has authority because of it. But he is far to clever to talk about ‘catastrophic warming’ when it isn’t happening, so he talks about ‘climate’ as a threat – not even climate change and projects onto the scientists ‘climate (change) denial’ which of course is what every CAGW proponent does when they postulate their scare stories.
It seems the only way to get across to the people being taken in by Lord Deben’s propaganda is to go back to first principles. Lord Deben et al predicted that carbon dioxide emissions by human industry (which are only ~5% of natural emissions) would lead to runaway warming. There is no proof that carbon dioxide actually affects the temperature of the actual atmosphere, it has been rising rapidly over the last 17 years and temperatures have remained more or less constant. They had been rising after the Little Ice Age but now they have stopped rising for more than 17 years. The AGW hypothesis does NOT say that Carbon Dioxide warming was dangerous, the hypothesis was that the very small warming from Carbon Dioxide was meant to increase the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere and it was that rise in water vapor a far more powerful ‘green house gas’ that was going to lead to runaway warming. The models all show a tropical tropospheric hot spot caused by the water vapor – the problem is that the real atmosphere has not got a tropical tropospheric hotspot nor has there been any warming for 17 years. So the ‘Global Warming Hypothesis’ has failed it has been falsified. Lord Deben et al are left with throwing insults and using meaningless terms to try to continue the confidence trick being played on the world to enrich a few while causing deaths from cold in energy poverty.
Meanwhile, while you have been reading this about the enrichment of a few based on flawed hypotheses and precautionary principles for unlikely events, around 20 children have died. They are dying of hunger and related causes at the rate of one every 5 seconds. A REAL tragedy and a REAL death rate. They could be saved by a single $1 a day while $billions are poured into ‘climate’ for no reason but the enrichment of a few Malthusians.
I’m sorry Mr. Maki wasn’t more assertive with facts and challenges. It’s hard to be mentally agile in a confrontation like that but, for example, one might take a put-up-or-shut-up position with the kid with the sick mother and offer to have her evaluated by a competent doctor. Mr. Maki could easily pay for that. I’d bet whatever is her problem, it could not be traced to chemicals coming from a refinery. After all, if it’s a problem of dispersed chemicals, there should be a cluster of sick people. Is there?
The Houston Chronicle studied air quality in the Houston environs, by setting up 72 air-quality monitors in affected communities, including Manchester where that kid lives. They found quantities that, “exceeded standards the most often were the chemical building blocks chloroform and benzene, which are used in industrial processes to make dyes, detergents and plastics, and can also come from sewage treatment (chloroform) and traffic and cigarette smoke (benzene).
“These two chemicals were found at levels above federal guidelines at nearly half of the 100 sites the newspaper monitored. But only at some locations in Port Neches and Manchester were levels high enough that if breathed over a lifetime, one additional person in 100,000 would get cancer.”
So, there’s the statistic: one more per 100,000. The US over all cancer incidence is 330 per 100,000. In Port Neches and Manchester, it’s apparently 331 per 100,000, an increase of 0.3%. That’s alarming, isn’t it. Anyone think that’s a fact of measurement? Or could it possibly be extrapolation of some linear model into the fringe extreme? Wonder what the CI is. Could 0.3% be outside the noise?
That same “Global Patterns of Cancer Incidence” paper records, by the way, that African American men have a higher per 100,000 incidence of cancer (453) than Caucasian men (378), but Hispanic men are lower than both (276). Caucasian women (302) are higher than African American women (270), who are higher than Hispanic women (220). Clear signs of an oppressor class there, alright.
The US has a notably high cancer incidence relative to the rest of the world. So does Canada, though it’s lower than the US. Algeria is at the bottom. It’s not about breathing chemicals. To my eye, cancer rates approximately track societal wealth. Maybe there’s a reportage problem. Maybe there’s a junk-food/leisure time connection.
Here’s the EPA report on the Kalamazoo River oil spill. It was 843,000 gallons large. But it seems that Enbridge is doing its job to clean it up.
Indeed, it is clear that others did not recognise your post as being a rebuttal of the revelation of your identity by Randle Dewees because people continued to mention your being a shill after that on the thread where you posted it.
That is true Richard, you were not the only one not have read the posts, seen my reassurance that it was not me and continued to post this exciting news. I think you highlighted the issue much more than anyone else, and as I had already denied that identity I felt it would be better to just leave you to it. I was surprised when you introduced it to a new thread though, at that point it became worthy of a Brian Rix farce. But there we are, hopefully you are now convinced and I hope you do not take your mistake in my identity too seriously. Nice photo by the way, I wish I did look like that!
Anthony
Some of us Brits are mad enough to commute from Wales to Watford (just north of London) and similar other long distance commutes. Although you are probably right in what you say in this particular instance.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25551393?oo=7323
Friends:
At February 9, 2014 at 1:13 pm Gareth Ph1ll1ps replies to multiple requests for the location of his blog saying
OK. I cannot think of any reason why a person who takes the trouble to create a blog would want to “protect it” from people visiting it. Can anyone suggest a plausible reason, please?
I am not asking him because I would not believe him if I was using an umbrella and he said it was raining.
Richard