Sunny Spots Along the Parana River

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

In a comment on a recent post, I was pointed to a study making the following surprising claim:

Here, we analyze the stream flow of one of the largest rivers in the world, the Parana ́ in southeastern South America. For the last century, we find a strong correlation with the sunspot number, in multidecadal time scales, and with larger solar activity corresponding to larger stream flow. The correlation coefficient is r = 0.78, significant to a 99% level.

I’ve seen the Parana River … where I was, it was too thick to drink and too thin to plow. So this was interesting to me. Particularly interesting because in climate science a correlation of 0.78 combined with a 99% significance level (p-value of 0.01) would be a very strong result … in fact, to me that seemed like a very suspiciously strong result. After all, here is their raw data used for the comparison:

parana streamflow fig 1Figure 1. First figure in the Parana paper, showing the streamflow in the top panel, and sunspot number (SN) and total solar irradiance (TSI) in the lower two panels.

They are claiming a 0.78 correlation between the data in panel (a) and the data in panel (b) … I looked at Figure 1 and went “Say what?”. Call me crazy, but do you see any kind of strong 11-year cycle in the top panel? Because I sure don’t. In addition, when the long-term average of sunspots rises, I don’t see the streamflow rising. If there is a correlation between sunspots and streamflow, why doesn’t a several-decade period of increased sunspots lead to increased streamflow?

So how did they get the apparent correlation? Well, therein lies a tale … because Figure 2 shows what they ended up analyzing.

parana streamflow fig 2

And wow, that sure looks like a very, very strong correlation … so how did they get there from such an unpromising start?

Well, first they took the actual data. Then, from the actual data they subtracted the “secular trends” (see dark smooth lines Figure 1). The effect of this first one of their processing steps is curious.

Look back at Figure 1. IF streamflow and sunspots were correlated, we’d expect them to move in parallel in the long term as well as the short term. But inconveniently for their theory … they don’t move in parallel. How to resolve it? Well, since the long-term secular trend data doesn’t support their hypothesis, their solution was to simply subtract that bad-mannered part out from the data.

I’m sure you can see the problems with that procedure. But we’ll let that go, the damage is fairly minor, and look at the next step, where the real destruction is done.

They say in Figure 2 that the sunspot data was “smoothed by an 11-yr running mean to smooth out the solar cycle”. However, it is apparent that the authors didn’t realize the effect of what they were doing. Calling what they did “smoothing” is a huge stretch. Figure 3 shows the residual sunspot anomaly (in blue) after removing the secular trend (as the authors did in the paper), along with the 11-year moving average of that exact same data (in red). Again as the authors did, I’ve normalized the two to allow for direct comparison:

normalized sunspot anomaly and 11 yr running meanFigure 3. Sunspot anomaly data (blue line), compared to the eleven-year centered moving average of the sunspot anomaly data (red line). Both datasets have been normalized to a mean of zero and a standard deviation of one.

Talk about a smoothing horror show, that has to be the poster child for bad smoothing. For starters, look at what the “smoothing” does to the sunspot data from 1975 to 2000 … instead of having two peaks at the tops of the two sunspot cycles (blue line, 1980 and 1991), the “smoothed” red line shows one large central peak, and two side lobes. Not only that, but the central low spot around 1986 has now been magically converted into a peak.

Now look at what the smoothing has done to the 1958 peak in sunspot numbers … it’s now twice as wide, and it has two peaks instead of one. Not only that, but the larger of the two peaks occurs where the sunspots actually bottomed out around 1954 … YIKES!

Finally, I knew this was going to be ugly, but I didn’t realize how ugly. The most surprising part to me is that their “smoothed” version of the data is actually negatively correlated to the data itself … astounding.

Part of the problem is the use of a running mean to smooth the data … a Very Bad Idea™ in itself. However, in this case it is exacerbated by the choice of the length of the average, 11 years. Sunspot cycles range from something like nine to thirteen years or so. As a result, cycles longer and shorter than the 11 year filter get averaged very differently. The net result is that we end up with some of the frequency data aliased into the average as amplitude data … resulting in the very different results from about 1945-60 versus the results 1975-2000.

Overall? I don’t care what they end up comparing to the red line … they are not comparing it to sunspots, not in any way, shape, or form. The blue line shows sunspots. The red line shows a mathematician’s nightmare.

How about the fact that they performed the same procedure on the Parana streamflow data? Does that make a difference? Figure 4 shows that result:

normalized parana anomaly and 11 yr running meanFigure 4. Parana streamflow anomaly data (blue line), compared to the eleven-year centered moving average of the streamflow anomaly data (red line). Both datasets have been normalized to a mean of zero and a standard deviation of 1.

As you can see, the damage done by the running mean is nowhere near as severe in this streamflow dataset as it was for the sunspots. Although there still are a lot of reversals, and turning peaks into valleys, at least the correlation is still positive. This is because the streamflow data does NOT contain the ± eleven-year cycles present in the sunspot data.

Conclusions? Well, my first conclusion is that as a result of doing what the authors did, comparing the red line in Figure 3 with the red line in Figure 4 says absolutely nothing about whether the Parana river streamflow is related to sunspots or not. The two red lines have very little to do with anything.

My second conclusion is, NEVER RUN STATISTICAL ANALYSES ON SMOOTHED DATA. I don’t care if you use gaussian smoothing or Fourier smoothing or boxcar smoothing or loess smoothing, if you want to do statistical analyses, you need to compare the datasets themselves, full stop. Statistically analyzing a smoothed dataset is a mug’s game. The problem is that as in this case, the smoothing can actually introduce totally false, spurious correlations. There’s an old post of mine on spurious correlation and Gaussian smoothing here for those interested in an example.

Please be clear that I’m not accusing the authors of any bad intent in this matter. To me, the problem is simply that they didn’t understand and were unaware of the effect of their “smoothing” on the data.

Finally, consider how many rivers there are in the world. You can be assured that people have looked at many of them to find a connection with sunspots. If this is the best evidence, it’s no evidence at all. And with that many rivers examined, a p-value of 0.05 is now far too generous. The more places you look, the more chance of finding a spurious correlation. This means that the more rivers you look at, the stronger your results must be to be statically significant … and we don’t yet have even passable results from the Parana data. So as to rivers and sunspots, the jury is still out.

How about for sea level and sunspots? Are they related? I can’t do better than to direct you to the 1985 study by Woodworth et al. entitled A world-wide search for the 11-yr solar cycle in mean sea-level records , whose abstract says:

Tide gauge records from throughout the world have been examined for evidence of the 11-yr solar cycle in mean sea-level (MSL). In Europe an amplitude of 10-15 mm is observed with a phase relative to the sunspot cycle similar to that expected as a response to forcing from previously reported solar cycles in sea-level air pressure and winds. At the highest European latitudes the MSL solar cycle is in antiphase to the sunspot cycle while at mid-latitudes it changes to being approximately in phase. Elsewhere in the world there is no convincing evidence for an 11-yr component in MSL records.

So … of the 28 geographical locations examined, only four show a statistically significant signal. Some places it’s acting the way that we’d expect … other places its not. Nowhere is it strong.

I haven’t bothered to go through their math, except for their significance calculations. They appear to be correct, including the adjustment to the required significance given the fact that they’ve looked in 28 places, which means that the significance threshold has to be adjusted. Good on them 1980s scientists, they did the numbers right back then.

However, and it is a very big however, as is common with such analyses from the 1980s, I see no sign that the results have been adjusted for autocorrelation. Given that both the sunspot data and the sea level data are highly autocorrelated, this can only move the results in the direction of less statistical significance … meaning, of course, that the four results that were significant are likely not to remain so once the results are adjusted for autocorrelation.

Is there a sunspot effect on the climate? Maybe so, maybe no … but given the number of hours people have spent looking for it, including myself and many, many others, if it is there, it’s likely very weak.

My best regards to all,

w.

NOTA BENE! If you disagree with something I said, please quote my exact words, and then tell me why you think I’m wrong. Telling me things like that my science sucks or baldly stating that I don’t understand the math doesn’t help me in the slightest. If I’m wrong I want to know it, but I have no use for claims like “Willis, you are so off-base in this case that you’re not even wrong.” Perhaps I am, but we’ll never know unless you specify exactly what I said that was wrong, and what was wrong with it.

So if you want me to treat you and your comments with respect, quote what you object to, and specify your objection. It’s the only way I can know what the heck you are talking about, and I’ve had it up to here with vague unsupported accusations of wrongdoing.

DATA: Digitized Parana streamflow data from the paper plus SIDC Sunspot data and all analyses for this post are on an Excel spreadsheet here. You’ll have to break the links, they are to my formula for Gaussian smoothing.

PS—Thanks to my undersea contacts for coming up with a copy of the thirty-year-old Woodworth study, and a hat tip to Dr. Holgate and Steve McIntyre at Climate Audit for the lead to the study. Dr. Holgate is well-known in sea level circles, here’s his comment on the sunspot question:

Many people have tried to link climate variations to sunspot cycles. My own feeling is that they both happen to exhibit variability on the same timescales without being causal. No one has yet shown a mechanism you understand. There is also no trend in the sunspot cycle so that can’t explain the overall rise in sea levels even if it could explain the variability. If someone can come up with a mechanism then I’d be open to that possibility but at present it doesn’t look likely to me.

If you’re interested in solar cycles and sea level, you might look at a paper written by my boss a few years back: Woodworth, P.L. “A world-wide search for the 11-yr solar cycle in mean sea-level records.” Geophysical Journal of the Royal Astronomical Society. 80(3) pp743-755

You’ll appreciate that this is a well-trodden path. My own feeling is that it’s not the determining factor in sea level rise, or even accounts for the trend, but there may be something in the variability. I’m just surprised that if there is, it hasn’t been clearly shown yet.

I can only agree … 

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January 27, 2014 5:48 am

This bit of text goes exactly to the discussion here.
From: http://blogs.unimelb.edu.au/sciencecommunication/2012/10/28/coupled-oscillators-and-the-tale-of-huygens-clocks/
The implications of this field are more far-reaching than messing with timepieces however. Systems of coupled oscillation turn up in the mating flashes of fireflies along the tidal rivers of Malaysia, in the gait of a horse (trot, gallop or canter) and in your very own footsteps when walking next to someone on the way to 7-11. More importantly, they influence the mechanic behaviour of fluids and electromagnetic fields.
Sometimes it only takes the smallest of observations to make a big discovery.
Never stop being curious! This is Ryan, signing off.

tadchem
January 27, 2014 6:52 am

It appears, under the pressure to “publish or perish”, Mauas, Flamenco, and Buccino have relied upon the old white-collar maxim: “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle then with BS.”
What they have overlooked in their zeal is that, in the Information Age, everything that goes into cyberspace stays there forever, and the old gunslinger’s maxim that “No matter how good you think you are, sooner or later you’ll come up against someone just a little bit better.”
In the long run researchers will be so much better off if they stick to their home turf, try to get everything perfect the first time, and admit their own errors (they’ll learn from them if they do).

January 27, 2014 8:40 am

M Simon says
The implications of this field are more far-reaching than messing with timepieces however. Systems of coupled oscillation turn up in the mating flashes of fireflies along the tidal rivers of Malaysia, in the gait of a horse (trot, gallop or canter) and in your very own footsteps when walking next to someone on the way to 7-11. More importantly, they influence the mechanic behaviour of fluids and electromagnetic fields.
Sometimes it only takes the smallest of observations to make a big discovery.
Never stop being curious! This is Ryan, signing off.
Henry says
sorry to see you go. You have a point there. Actually the flowrate of a river is somehow related to the amount of rainfall, at certain latitudes at certain times and as Stephen pointed out earlier, rainfall stats has its pitfalls, due to its high variability. In its turn, the amount of rainfall at a certain latitude depends again on the amount of energy coming through the atmosphere. Due to the equator-pole differential, more energy coming in just means more clouds and rain travelling to the higher latitudes and less energy coming in means more rain and clouds at the lower latitudes and less rain and clouds travelling to the higher latitudes.
Hence my question here
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/25/sunny-spots-along-the-parana-river/#comment-1550138
to which nobody here even has an answer …..
The best way to evaluate the amount of energy coming in, is to look at maximum temperatures.
Now why on earth am I only the person to have done just that?
http://blogs.24.com/henryp/2012/10/02/best-sine-wave-fit-for-the-drop-in-global-maximum-temperatures/
“Clueless” comes to my mind here.

RichardLH
January 27, 2014 9:26 am

There have been articles on how badly done most of the work is in Climate summation.
If you want a tutorial on how bad this all is, then go and read this thread on Judith Curry’s site.
http://judithcurry.com/2013/11/22/data-corruption-by-running-mean-smoothers/
Data corruption by running mean ‘smoothers’
Posted on November 22, 2013 by Greg Goodman
or visit Greg’s own site for the same article.
http://climategrog.wordpress.com/2013/05/19/triple-running-mean-filters/
Worth trying a 15 year low pass FIR filter (CTRM with appropriate parameters of 180, 149 and 132) on the data sets to get a clean multi-decadal view of what is really there I think.

RichardLH
January 27, 2014 9:32 am

Greg Goodman says:
January 26, 2014 at 9:51 pm
However, the need to remove the annual cycle in climate science is as omnipresent as the need to remove mains ‘humm’ in audio electronics.
The only way you can avoid filtering it is by doing something silly like subtracting a “climatology” which of course also affects the degrees of freedom.
Or use a Cascaded Triple Running Mean with 12, 10, 8 as values 🙂 Removes the need for Normals or any sort or period. Less bias that way .
And for Weather/Climate binary chop how about a CRTM with values of 180 months, 149 and 132.
Gives a nice 15 year decadal/multi-decadal stop/pass band. A Weather/Climate Occam’s Razor of a filter.

Nancy C
January 27, 2014 10:49 am

To me, Willis’ insistence that you can’t run statistical analysis on smoothed data is a bit like insisting that radio transmission can’t possibly work. If I record all the radio noise coming into my house, when I look at it in the raw it won’t look like it correlates to anything at all, it’s just noise. But if I smooth it through a filter and run it through a speaker and suddenly discover a high correlation between it and what someone across town is saying into a microphone, should that be dismissed as a spurious correlation?
What they’ve found is that sunspot data and riverflow data have a high correlation over some portion of the data’s bandwidth, and I think that’s fully true and legitimate. Given the 100 year length of the data and the 11 year centering of the bandwidth, I don’t think it’s enough to say anything absolutely conclusive, but it’s interesting, and makes it at least worth thinking about whether there’s a mechanism there that could explain it. Certainly, just pointing out the obvious, that smoothing changes the way the data “looks” isn’t enough to consider the paper debunked.

Nancy C
January 27, 2014 11:00 am

By the way, I’m responding ONLY to the conclusion that you shouldn’t do statistical analysis on smoothed data. I don’t really know anything about other attempts to link sunspots to climate, and agree that if this is meaningful it should be seen in other places as well. But the idea that smoothing data ruins it is not a correct conclusion.

January 27, 2014 11:37 am

btw
just in case you did not know: it is cooling now
for the duration of at least one Schwabe solar cycle (12 years)
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1980/to:2012/trend/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1980/to:2012/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1980/to:2012/trend/plot/rss/from:1980/to:2012/plot/rss/from:1980/to:2012/trend/plot/hadsst2gl/from:1980/to:2012/plot/hadsst2gl/from:1980/to:2012/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1980/to:2012/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1980/to:2012/trend/plot/hadsst2gl/from:1980/to:2012/trend/plot/rss/from:1980/to:2012/trend
as expected, it is cooling from the top [90] latitudes downwards, see here,
http://oi40.tinypic.com/2ql5zq8.jpg
that means more rain at the lower latitudes and less at the higher latitudes.
paradoxically, as always with the local weather, the less rain, the warmer it gets, ….
http://blogs.24.com/henryp/2013/04/29/the-climate-is-changing/
making (some) people think/claim that there is still global warming….

RichardLH
January 27, 2014 3:32 pm

Nancy C says:
January 27, 2014 at 10:49 am
I agree. I cannot understand peoples reluctance to use simple low pass filters on the data to separate out Weather from Climate. (see above).
That is what everybody SAYS they want to do.
But when you point out that standard audio/radio/power/just about every other branch of science uses them all the time you are met with such stubborn resistance.
Why I don’t know, but it has become pathological on both sides of the debate to ignore the blindingly obvious.
And who in their right mind would run an FT on data so short with such a large amount of noise in the mix. No chance at all, ever, of getting any real peaks in the response. You can fit just about anything you like through the data window you have in Fourier terms and get no real clear outcomes. Just smeared all over the spectrum. That’s the real maths for you.
Yearly signal
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/plot/uah/mean:12/mean:10/mean:8
GISS
http://snag.gy/NDfZw.jpg
HadSST
http://snag.gy/eVAeC.jpg
HadCrut
http://snag.gy/3zvoQ.jpg
None so blind who will not see.

Bernie Hutchins
January 27, 2014 8:11 pm

Indeed: Spurious Correlation from Filtering
I find that if you start with two random (white) sequences, low-pass them with moving average, and especially if you also detrend with a high-pass (net result – band-pass) you get bands of noise around the band-pass peak, and these of course then emerge in the correlation as belonging to both. Right where you PUT THEM. Here is my work so far.
http://electronotes.netfirms.com/AN403Draft.pdf

RichardLH
January 28, 2014 1:33 am

Bernie Hutchins says:
January 27, 2014 at 8:11 pm
“Indeed: Spurious Correlation from Filtering”
I’ll add to that:
Stepwise integration as a practical methodology for constructing a long term RMS power meter.

RichardLH
January 28, 2014 2:01 am

Climate Scientist: I want a tool to examine Climate Temperatures.
Geek: How do you define Climate?
Climate Scientist: Longer than 30 years.
Geek: So you want a tool that will show how the planet’s temperature responds in periods of more than 30 years?
Climate Scientist: Yes.
Geek: Well basic theory says that a Low Pass filter with a corner frequency of 15 years will do exactly what you want.
Climate Scientist: But that’s not complicated enough and anyway that does not show me what I like to see. It says that there are natural oscillations in the signal and my theory says they don’t exist.
Geek: ??????????

January 28, 2014 12:23 pm

@Willis
sorry I missed that
but I knew my estimate
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/25/sunny-spots-along-the-parana-river/#comment-1550223
would not be too far out
especially that it was running exactly opposite the direction of the Nile…
Perhaps I am not so clueless?
Many things appear on the internet if you search
but show me anyone that shows me the correct trend in dropping maxima?
The world is cooling my friend, from the top [90] degrees latitudes down
http://oi40.tinypic.com/2ql5zq8.jpg
causing more rain [30] latitudes, on average.
If anything just try to understand this about the weather
just live with it
or (rather) move
http://blogs.24.com/henryp/2013/04/29/the-climate-is-changing/
God bless you all.

January 28, 2014 12:32 pm

my previous comment did not come out right
let me try again
@Willis
sorry I missed that. no need to be nasty.
but I knew my estimate
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/25/sunny-spots-along-the-parana-river/#comment-1550223
would not be too far out
especially that it was running exactly opposite the direction of the Nile…
Perhaps I am not so clueless?
Many things appear on the internet if you search
but show me anyone that shows me the correct trend in dropping maxima?
The world is cooling my friend, from the top [90] degrees latitudes down
http://oi40.tinypic.com/2ql5zq8.jpg
causing more rain at less than [30] latitudes and less rain greater than [30] latitudes, on average.
If anything just try to understand this about the weather
just live with it
or (rather) move
http://blogs.24.com/henryp/2013/04/29/the-climate-is-changing/
God bless you all.

george e. smith
January 28, 2014 3:08 pm

“””””…..Willis Eschenbach says:
January 28, 2014 at 12:21 pm
Nancy C says:
January 27, 2014 at 10:49 am
To me, Willis’ insistence that you can’t run statistical analysis on smoothed data is a bit like insisting that radio transmission can’t possibly work. If I record all the radio noise coming into my house, when I look at it in the raw it won’t look like it correlates to anything at all, it’s just noise. But if I smooth it through a filter and run it through a speaker and suddenly discover a high correlation between it and what someone across town is saying into a microphone, should that be dismissed as a spurious correlation?…..”””””
Well at first glance, Nancy C. ‘s argument seems rather compelling. She has all this radio noise coming into her house, so she SMOOTHS it, and discovers it is all due to the chap across town talking into a microphone.
So I tried her experiment, and I didn’t get anybody talking at all. All I got was some crummy Italian Opera broadcasted from the Met, in NYC.
Must be something wrong with my filter ? So I re-tweaked on my filter, and blow me down, if I didn’t pick up some caterwalling from the Grammy self aggrandizement festival the other night.
Apparently, what you end up with which YOU interpret as SIGNAL is totally dependent on how you designed your filter. My experiments, seem to indicate that in addition to what totally seems like random noise, there are some other; perhaps a whole lot of real signals coming into Nancy’s house, and she simply wiped out most of them, because they didn’t really support her pre-conceived opinion about what was coming into her house.
Likewise, if you filter a composite signal climate data set, you will turn it into a faux data set, which pre-emptively support the conjecture that led to you examining this data in the first place. Other influences that aren’t close to your desired “signal” in frequency spectrum, will be expunged, and their role in the reality, will be suppressed.
We seem to be thoroughly mixing up signal processing technologies, with statistical data manipulations.
Real signals are here in real time, and then they are gone, never to be repeated. So what is there to do statistics on.
Richard LH tells us that if we are looking for a climate signal that has 30 year periods for the changes being sought, we should run the data through a filter with a 15 year corner period.
So Richard’s “Climate signal” evidently is band limited with a drop dead cutoff frequency of 1/30year. NO signal components faster than 1/30year frequency.
Well his preferred signal recovery filter has a corner frequency (presumably at -3dB) of 1/15year; twice the bandwidth of his signal.
Well yes it will do a bang up job of detecting virtually all of the energy in his desired signal, but it also is going to pick up all of the other signals and random, noise in his detection bandwidth of 1/15year frequency range.
Well if the signal to noise ratio of his 1/30year signal is very high, he will in fact get a pretty good replica of it. Old school Oscilloscope engineers (IR1) would recommend a scope bandwidth of ten times your signal bandwidth if you want to get good high fidelity time domain response on your screen, but if you are pushing the speed limits, then double the bandwidth is a damn fine second choice. If the scope bandwidth is equal to or less than your signal bandwidth, then you are going to get distortions, and particularly a lousy transient response; but if you are clever and careful, you can compensate for the deficiency, and make better conclusions about what the signal really is.
But if you have a very low signal to noise ratio, or even a very high noise to signal ratio, such as with a Loran-C signal for example, excess bandwidth, like Richard LH advocates, is a real enemy.
Some people try to get clever with a “brick wall” filter or Tchebychev, or Butterworth filters, with cutoffs matching their signal bandwidth. This is rather hazardous, as such filters produce time domain transient responses (overshoots) that add spurious information, right at the cutoff frequency, where your presumed signal is sitting, so you get a fake response. You also do not get the best filtered signal to noise ratio, that is available to you.
In the case of the Loran-C signal for example, where the real time domain response of the transmission you are trying to detect, is precisely known, it is often considered best to use a Gaussian response filter, which produces no time domain overshoots, and to set the -30 dB cutoff frequency of that filter to the Loran carrier frequency (100kHz), rather than the – 3 dB cutoff. Now Gaussian filters roll off very slowly in the stop band, so the – 3dB frequency of the optimal filter is well below 100 kHz, but the signal loss is quite small, but the noise attenuation of the reduced bandwidth is a big advantage. Loran-C receivers also take advantage of the fact that they know exactly when the signals are transmitted, so they don’t even have the radio turned on, until the expected time of arrival of the signal (it’s a periodic stream of pulses).
It takes a long time to figure out where the signal arrival time is, so you have to search, and as you gather more information, you improve your search method.
Well GPS does the same thing; once you find some sort of signal, you can set your clock to the correct (atomic) time, which makes it much easier to locate other signals.
But Nancy C.s approach, will wipe out all the other things that make the Piranhas run up the river, besides sunspots, and the wrong conclusions will be made.
As for trying to determine the average Temperature of the earth (if that is possible), what for ??
The heating and cooling of the earth is a quite non-linear function of the LOCAL TEMPERATURES. Outgoing total radiant emittance varies with the 4th power of the Temperature; not linearly with the Temperature. And the peak spectral radiant emittance varies as the 5th power of the Temperature (on a wavelength scaled plot).
So what the hell good is an average Temperature. This fallacy is a result of the often stated axiom, that climate is the average of the weather. It is NOT; climate is the INTEGRAL of the weather.
Mother Gaia, sees everything in real time, and if a dark cloud appears in the sky over a patch of ocean, and casts a dark shadow on the surface, Mother Gaia, immediately starts deducting the Joules that no longer are arriving at that spot, and subtracts them from the ocean’s energy assets ledger. An hour later when that cloud has gone, due to a tropical deluge on a nearby island, that the cloud was actually over, the sun will resume supplying the Joules that were originally contracted for, by that ocean spot.
GISS will still be asleep, and never even see the cloud; but absolutely nothing escapes, Mother Gaia’s attention; and she always gets her energy budget accounting correct.
The average(ing) Joe never gets it right.
By the way, recovering a SIGNAL with the highest fidelity and accuracy, requires recovering ALL of the spectral components of that signal, so simply brute force SMOOTHING as Nancy C puts it, will thoroughly distort the true signal.
Now when I was actually doing Oscilloscope design, I used to (jokingly) quip, that what the world really needed, was slower and slower Oscilloscopes.
You put a really high bandwidth oscilloscope on your nice smooth flowing signal, and the damn thing adds all kinds of glitches, and rings and dings to completely screw up your nice serene signal; we should do away with fast oscilloscopes, because they just mislead us.

RichardLH
January 29, 2014 6:27 am

george e. smith says:
January 28, 2014 at 3:08 pm
“You put a really high bandwidth oscilloscope on your nice smooth flowing signal, and the damn thing adds all kinds of glitches, and rings and dings to completely screw up your nice serene signal; we should do away with fast oscilloscopes, because they just mislead us.”
More like a single trace storage scope in reality.
Simple answer, put a 15 year low pass filter on the data (to sort out the climate signal from the rest) and away you go.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c274/richardlinsleyhood/GISSCompressLowPass_zps370917ca.png

RichardLH
January 29, 2014 6:33 am

I can never figure out why everybody is so happy to stop filtering at Month and/or Year.
Means (a form of filtering) in their single form are so crap mathematically (like a very crap audio filter) and they are much better replaced by a near Gaussian alternative, the Cascaded Triple Running Mean, with parameters set to be a very good ‘stop band/pass band’ discriminator of Day-Month-Year v Climate signals.

RichardLH
January 29, 2014 6:54 am

george e. smith says:
January 28, 2014 at 3:08 pm
“So Richard’s “Climate signal” evidently is band limited with a drop dead cutoff frequency of 1/30year. NO signal components faster than 1/30year frequency.”
No this is a filter of exactly the same form as a broadband filter on an Internet connection.
Telephone one way. Broadband the other. As flat a filter as you can possible get. A binary chop of the data into two bins.
Day-Month-Year-Decadal = stop band.
Climate = pass band.
That’s how Gaussian broadband low pass filters work.

RichardLH
January 29, 2014 8:26 am

george e. smith says:
January 28, 2014 at 3:08 pm
By the way, I did say a 15year cut-off point. Nicely placed between Decadal and Multi-decadal aslo.
As Climate is normally defined as >30 years seems OK to me.

January 29, 2014 10:19 am

Henry says
15 years is clearly stupid.
One Schwabe solar circke is about 11.6 years on average
a whole solar cycle is about 22-23 years.
So why not rather go for multiples of 22 years?
http://blogs.24.com/henryp/2012/10/02/best-sine-wave-fit-for-the-drop-in-global-maximum-temperatures/

RichardLH
January 29, 2014 11:25 am

HenryP says:
January 29, 2014 at 10:19 am
“Henry says
15 years is clearly stupid.”
If I was cycle hunting I would agree.
However that is not what is happening here. This is pure observation. A summary of the data and what it says happened.
Nothing more than extending the Day – Month – Year pattern to longer time scales.
What does the DATA say?

January 29, 2014 11:37 am

@RichardLH
my collected data
http://blogs.24.com/henryp/2013/02/21/henrys-pool-tables-on-global-warmingcooling/
shows a full wave every 4 x 22 = 88 years
if you get it you are on your way to understand the climate