Sunny Spots Along the Parana River

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

In a comment on a recent post, I was pointed to a study making the following surprising claim:

Here, we analyze the stream flow of one of the largest rivers in the world, the Parana ́ in southeastern South America. For the last century, we find a strong correlation with the sunspot number, in multidecadal time scales, and with larger solar activity corresponding to larger stream flow. The correlation coefficient is r = 0.78, significant to a 99% level.

I’ve seen the Parana River … where I was, it was too thick to drink and too thin to plow. So this was interesting to me. Particularly interesting because in climate science a correlation of 0.78 combined with a 99% significance level (p-value of 0.01) would be a very strong result … in fact, to me that seemed like a very suspiciously strong result. After all, here is their raw data used for the comparison:

parana streamflow fig 1Figure 1. First figure in the Parana paper, showing the streamflow in the top panel, and sunspot number (SN) and total solar irradiance (TSI) in the lower two panels.

They are claiming a 0.78 correlation between the data in panel (a) and the data in panel (b) … I looked at Figure 1 and went “Say what?”. Call me crazy, but do you see any kind of strong 11-year cycle in the top panel? Because I sure don’t. In addition, when the long-term average of sunspots rises, I don’t see the streamflow rising. If there is a correlation between sunspots and streamflow, why doesn’t a several-decade period of increased sunspots lead to increased streamflow?

So how did they get the apparent correlation? Well, therein lies a tale … because Figure 2 shows what they ended up analyzing.

parana streamflow fig 2

And wow, that sure looks like a very, very strong correlation … so how did they get there from such an unpromising start?

Well, first they took the actual data. Then, from the actual data they subtracted the “secular trends” (see dark smooth lines Figure 1). The effect of this first one of their processing steps is curious.

Look back at Figure 1. IF streamflow and sunspots were correlated, we’d expect them to move in parallel in the long term as well as the short term. But inconveniently for their theory … they don’t move in parallel. How to resolve it? Well, since the long-term secular trend data doesn’t support their hypothesis, their solution was to simply subtract that bad-mannered part out from the data.

I’m sure you can see the problems with that procedure. But we’ll let that go, the damage is fairly minor, and look at the next step, where the real destruction is done.

They say in Figure 2 that the sunspot data was “smoothed by an 11-yr running mean to smooth out the solar cycle”. However, it is apparent that the authors didn’t realize the effect of what they were doing. Calling what they did “smoothing” is a huge stretch. Figure 3 shows the residual sunspot anomaly (in blue) after removing the secular trend (as the authors did in the paper), along with the 11-year moving average of that exact same data (in red). Again as the authors did, I’ve normalized the two to allow for direct comparison:

normalized sunspot anomaly and 11 yr running meanFigure 3. Sunspot anomaly data (blue line), compared to the eleven-year centered moving average of the sunspot anomaly data (red line). Both datasets have been normalized to a mean of zero and a standard deviation of one.

Talk about a smoothing horror show, that has to be the poster child for bad smoothing. For starters, look at what the “smoothing” does to the sunspot data from 1975 to 2000 … instead of having two peaks at the tops of the two sunspot cycles (blue line, 1980 and 1991), the “smoothed” red line shows one large central peak, and two side lobes. Not only that, but the central low spot around 1986 has now been magically converted into a peak.

Now look at what the smoothing has done to the 1958 peak in sunspot numbers … it’s now twice as wide, and it has two peaks instead of one. Not only that, but the larger of the two peaks occurs where the sunspots actually bottomed out around 1954 … YIKES!

Finally, I knew this was going to be ugly, but I didn’t realize how ugly. The most surprising part to me is that their “smoothed” version of the data is actually negatively correlated to the data itself … astounding.

Part of the problem is the use of a running mean to smooth the data … a Very Bad Idea™ in itself. However, in this case it is exacerbated by the choice of the length of the average, 11 years. Sunspot cycles range from something like nine to thirteen years or so. As a result, cycles longer and shorter than the 11 year filter get averaged very differently. The net result is that we end up with some of the frequency data aliased into the average as amplitude data … resulting in the very different results from about 1945-60 versus the results 1975-2000.

Overall? I don’t care what they end up comparing to the red line … they are not comparing it to sunspots, not in any way, shape, or form. The blue line shows sunspots. The red line shows a mathematician’s nightmare.

How about the fact that they performed the same procedure on the Parana streamflow data? Does that make a difference? Figure 4 shows that result:

normalized parana anomaly and 11 yr running meanFigure 4. Parana streamflow anomaly data (blue line), compared to the eleven-year centered moving average of the streamflow anomaly data (red line). Both datasets have been normalized to a mean of zero and a standard deviation of 1.

As you can see, the damage done by the running mean is nowhere near as severe in this streamflow dataset as it was for the sunspots. Although there still are a lot of reversals, and turning peaks into valleys, at least the correlation is still positive. This is because the streamflow data does NOT contain the ± eleven-year cycles present in the sunspot data.

Conclusions? Well, my first conclusion is that as a result of doing what the authors did, comparing the red line in Figure 3 with the red line in Figure 4 says absolutely nothing about whether the Parana river streamflow is related to sunspots or not. The two red lines have very little to do with anything.

My second conclusion is, NEVER RUN STATISTICAL ANALYSES ON SMOOTHED DATA. I don’t care if you use gaussian smoothing or Fourier smoothing or boxcar smoothing or loess smoothing, if you want to do statistical analyses, you need to compare the datasets themselves, full stop. Statistically analyzing a smoothed dataset is a mug’s game. The problem is that as in this case, the smoothing can actually introduce totally false, spurious correlations. There’s an old post of mine on spurious correlation and Gaussian smoothing here for those interested in an example.

Please be clear that I’m not accusing the authors of any bad intent in this matter. To me, the problem is simply that they didn’t understand and were unaware of the effect of their “smoothing” on the data.

Finally, consider how many rivers there are in the world. You can be assured that people have looked at many of them to find a connection with sunspots. If this is the best evidence, it’s no evidence at all. And with that many rivers examined, a p-value of 0.05 is now far too generous. The more places you look, the more chance of finding a spurious correlation. This means that the more rivers you look at, the stronger your results must be to be statically significant … and we don’t yet have even passable results from the Parana data. So as to rivers and sunspots, the jury is still out.

How about for sea level and sunspots? Are they related? I can’t do better than to direct you to the 1985 study by Woodworth et al. entitled A world-wide search for the 11-yr solar cycle in mean sea-level records , whose abstract says:

Tide gauge records from throughout the world have been examined for evidence of the 11-yr solar cycle in mean sea-level (MSL). In Europe an amplitude of 10-15 mm is observed with a phase relative to the sunspot cycle similar to that expected as a response to forcing from previously reported solar cycles in sea-level air pressure and winds. At the highest European latitudes the MSL solar cycle is in antiphase to the sunspot cycle while at mid-latitudes it changes to being approximately in phase. Elsewhere in the world there is no convincing evidence for an 11-yr component in MSL records.

So … of the 28 geographical locations examined, only four show a statistically significant signal. Some places it’s acting the way that we’d expect … other places its not. Nowhere is it strong.

I haven’t bothered to go through their math, except for their significance calculations. They appear to be correct, including the adjustment to the required significance given the fact that they’ve looked in 28 places, which means that the significance threshold has to be adjusted. Good on them 1980s scientists, they did the numbers right back then.

However, and it is a very big however, as is common with such analyses from the 1980s, I see no sign that the results have been adjusted for autocorrelation. Given that both the sunspot data and the sea level data are highly autocorrelated, this can only move the results in the direction of less statistical significance … meaning, of course, that the four results that were significant are likely not to remain so once the results are adjusted for autocorrelation.

Is there a sunspot effect on the climate? Maybe so, maybe no … but given the number of hours people have spent looking for it, including myself and many, many others, if it is there, it’s likely very weak.

My best regards to all,

w.

NOTA BENE! If you disagree with something I said, please quote my exact words, and then tell me why you think I’m wrong. Telling me things like that my science sucks or baldly stating that I don’t understand the math doesn’t help me in the slightest. If I’m wrong I want to know it, but I have no use for claims like “Willis, you are so off-base in this case that you’re not even wrong.” Perhaps I am, but we’ll never know unless you specify exactly what I said that was wrong, and what was wrong with it.

So if you want me to treat you and your comments with respect, quote what you object to, and specify your objection. It’s the only way I can know what the heck you are talking about, and I’ve had it up to here with vague unsupported accusations of wrongdoing.

DATA: Digitized Parana streamflow data from the paper plus SIDC Sunspot data and all analyses for this post are on an Excel spreadsheet here. You’ll have to break the links, they are to my formula for Gaussian smoothing.

PS—Thanks to my undersea contacts for coming up with a copy of the thirty-year-old Woodworth study, and a hat tip to Dr. Holgate and Steve McIntyre at Climate Audit for the lead to the study. Dr. Holgate is well-known in sea level circles, here’s his comment on the sunspot question:

Many people have tried to link climate variations to sunspot cycles. My own feeling is that they both happen to exhibit variability on the same timescales without being causal. No one has yet shown a mechanism you understand. There is also no trend in the sunspot cycle so that can’t explain the overall rise in sea levels even if it could explain the variability. If someone can come up with a mechanism then I’d be open to that possibility but at present it doesn’t look likely to me.

If you’re interested in solar cycles and sea level, you might look at a paper written by my boss a few years back: Woodworth, P.L. “A world-wide search for the 11-yr solar cycle in mean sea-level records.” Geophysical Journal of the Royal Astronomical Society. 80(3) pp743-755

You’ll appreciate that this is a well-trodden path. My own feeling is that it’s not the determining factor in sea level rise, or even accounts for the trend, but there may be something in the variability. I’m just surprised that if there is, it hasn’t been clearly shown yet.

I can only agree … 

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Vincent
January 26, 2014 1:37 am

Willis, the mathematics of this paper as you have outlined it, reminds me of my youth.
I am in the electronics business and as a school kid I was into radio. When I was around 18 years old that interest shifted to music. I wonder what? Then I grew up and went back to my first interest, radio, and qualified as an electronic engineer in 1981.
So what has that to do with this paper?
Well, one of the things that I noticed in the field of audio and HiFi was that all music amplifiers and loudspeakers were rated as X-many Watts peak, and Y-many Watts RMS!
So what is 100 W RMS? Mathematically I can calculate the RMS (root-mean-square) of the audio power, but what does it mean? Nothing really. It bears no direct relationship to anything you can physically observe. (Note – I said “direct”).
It is merely marketing gobledy-gook. On the other hand I can calculate the RMS of the voltage waveform or the current waveform going to the loudspeaker and that HAS got meaning. It is directly related to the average audio power (in watts).
This paper is similar to that it is presenting marketing nonsense. What is the physical meaning of de-trended data? What is the meaning of smoothing it? Without good physical reason to apply a mathematical process to data, the result is meaningless gobledy-gook.

Greg Goodman
January 26, 2014 1:44 am

“My second conclusion is, NEVER RUN STATISTICAL ANALYSES ON SMOOTHED DATA. I don’t care if you use gaussian smoothing or Fourier smoothing or boxcar smoothing or loess smoothing, if you want to do statistical analyses, you need to compare the datasets themselves, full stop. Statistically analyzing a smoothed dataset is a mug’s game. The problem is that as in this case, the smoothing can actually introduce totally false, spurious correlations.”
While there is a lot of truth in that as a basic warning, it starts to go wrong with the word NEVER.
I always like the popular, self-contradictory, axiom : you should never generalise.
This comes back to my gripe about “smoothers”. If you just want the data to _look_ smoother for a graph, this should have nothing to do with the data processing and your statement is correct.
However, if you have, for example, a strong annual cycle and you want to see whether there is a small decadal scale correlation between two datasets you are not going to get the answer if you don’t filter out the annual cycle.
Like most “you should NEVER” statements this one is incorrect if takes literally.
The part about increasing the correlation is also correct since all weighted average filters, even good ones, combine successive data points and reduce the degrees of freedom in the data. If this is ignored in calculating the what level of correlation is significant the answer will be very misleading.
The point is to recognise that there is not just one fixed value that shows “good” correlation but that the value is determined by the number of “degrees of freedom” in the data. Often this can be taken as the number of data point (before filtering) and needs to be reduced appropriately if filtering is used.
Relevant comment by rgbatduke :
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/21/sunspots-and-sea-level/#comment-1548206
I would suggest a better ‘never’ statement would be :
You should NEVER use a correlation coefficient to conclude significance without calculating what value is significant for the data in question.

Peter Miller
January 26, 2014 1:57 am

I am not sure if this is relevant, but in mid-1982 in Johannesburg, myself and three friends started up a water drilling drilling company on the basis that a period of droughts was imminent.
Perhaps more by luck than good judgement, the rains failed in the summer of 1982/83 and the next two summers were exceptionally dry. The company prospered and grew like Topsy.
We had examined the rainfall records for the Highveldt area around Johannesburg over the previous 100 years and noticed there was a very biblical cycle of dry and wet years. 11 years of good rains (usually with a couple of poor years) followed by 11 years of poor rains (usually with a couple of good years) . I have no idea if this 11 year cycle has continued to today.
Perhaps this 11 year cycle was a coincidence, anyhow I cannot see if it could have had anything to do with sunspots.

January 26, 2014 2:18 am

A nice related post is given by Matt Briggs: “Do NOT smooth time series before computing forecast skill“.

January 26, 2014 2:19 am

“Greg:
I think NEVER in this case is a good word. If you want to ‘see’ the relationship within some data then by all means filter it until it appears to show what you want.
But if you are running code on your data to ‘find’ relationships within the data, why would you want to risk modifying the data by filtering?
All filtering, averaging or any other process that changes your original data to something else, has by design, changed your data.
Smoothing is only for humans to observe.
All of the exquisite data variations captured by some tedious or expensive process deserve to be used, ‘in the raw’ by your analysis programs.
I am sure R or C or perl do not mind if your data values wiggle around a bit to much, preventing them looking very nice.
Smoothing for humans, raw code for programs.

Geoff Cruickshank
January 26, 2014 2:26 am

For the last 100 years which is all the data I have, where I farm, good rains come with the low of the sunspot cycle. iI haven’ t calculated any coefficients, because in the rest of the cycle there is no particular eyeball relationship, but in forty years of farming at least I know what will happen every decade at some point. No idea f this holds elsewhere but it works here. I dont need scientific approval, papers, peer review, or Willis’ approval. There are more things in heaven and earth Horatio,etc.

January 26, 2014 2:46 am

Willis says
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/25/sunny-spots-along-the-parana-river/#comment-1549892
@Willis
thanks! that helps
Seemingly these data are reversely correlated with the flow of the river Nile
(see my earlier comment that is still in moderation, why?)
I think I know why.
I just need to know in what town the flowmeter is situated and which way does the river flow? Is it north to south or south to north?

Greg Goodman
January 26, 2014 2:54 am

Steve Richards says: “why would you want to risk modifying the data by filtering?”
How about reading my comment before trying to reply to it ?
😉

Editor
January 26, 2014 3:01 am

No link between solar activity and river flow? NASA found one:
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/nilef-20070319.html
Alexander Ruzmaikin and Joan Feynman of NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., together with Dr. Yuk Yung of the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, Calif., have analyzed Egyptian records of annual Nile water levels collected between 622 and 1470 A.D. at Rawdah Island in Cairo. These records were then compared to another well-documented human record from the same time period: observations of the number of auroras reported per decade in the Northern Hemisphere.
[..]
The researchers found some clear links between the sun’s activity and climate variations. The Nile water levels and aurora records had two somewhat regularly occurring variations in common – one with a period of about 88 years and the second with a period of about 200 years.
The researchers said the findings have climate implications that extend far beyond the Nile River basin.
[..]
So what causes these cyclical links between solar variability and the Nile? The authors suggest that variations in the sun’s ultraviolet energy cause adjustments in a climate pattern called the Northern Annular Mode, which affects climate in the atmosphere of the Northern Hemisphere during the winter. At sea level, this mode becomes the North Atlantic Oscillation, a large-scale seesaw in atmospheric mass that affects how air circulates over the Atlantic Ocean. During periods of high solar activity, the North Atlantic Oscillation’s influence extends to the Indian Ocean. These adjustments may affect the distribution of air temperatures, which subsequently influence air circulation and rainfall at the Nile River’s sources in eastern equatorial Africa. When solar activity is high, conditions are drier, and when it is low, conditions are wetter.
Study findings were recently published in the Journal of Geophysical Research.
“.

Ferdinand Engelbeen
January 26, 2014 3:10 am

I don’t think the Parana river correlation is the best scientific work on the sun-earth connection, but there are several works in the same direction for the NH:
The Mississippi catch area:
http://ks.water.usgs.gov/pubs/reports/paclim99.html
http://ks.water.usgs.gov/solar-irradiance
The rivers in Portugal:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2005GL023787/abstract
Similar reports from the river Po (Italy) and Nile (Egypt) were available, but the links don’t work anymore…
The background may be that an active sun increases mainly in the UV range, which increases ozone in the lower stratosphere, increasing its temperature and the temperature difference equator-poles, pushing the jet streams towards the poles, including wind and rain patterns. That makes that several rivers/countries will have more rain at high sunspot levels, but I suppose that it is a mix of several influences: PDO/NAO, ENSO, solar activity,…

January 26, 2014 3:23 am

In my view (possibly minority of one) climate events do not react to ‘a forcing’ represented by sunspot number, it is more likely to be the geomagnetic disturbances, which happen to be in time and intensity considerably different to the sunspot series:
http://www.esa-spaceweather.net/spweather/workshops/proceedings_w1/POSTER4/figure_01.gif
Further problem is that CME’s, the cause of the geomagnetic disturbances, have a magnetic polarity so has the earth’s field, and this is not taken into account.
The Dst index does this, but it is derived from a network of near-equatorial geomagnetic observatories, while the geomagnetic storms’ effect (I think) propagates atmospherically from higher to the lower latitudes.

Greg Goodman
January 26, 2014 3:29 am

Douglas J. Keenan says:
January 26, 2014 at 2:18 am
A nice related post is given by Matt Briggs: “Do NOT smooth time series before computing forecast skill“.
This is slight improvement on his “hockey puck” article but still, having said that filtering increases correlation he regards this as a black and white issue and thus concludes you should “never” assess the correlation of filtered data.
He claims to have some kind of expertise in statistics, yet seems to miss the whole and and the opportunity to suggest how to adjust what level of correlation is significant.
There is also the question of the degree of auto-correlation present in the data to start with.
I use a simplistic adjustment in that if use a 12mo low pass filter I reduce the number of data points by a factor of twelve.
AR(1) can be removed with a first difference, this reduces degrees of freedom by half.
Can you help on that?

Ed Zuiderwijk
January 26, 2014 3:32 am

What’s missing is the error on the flow data. Without it you can’t judge whether the variation is real or simply a noisy signal.
The second thing is that there can be a time shift between the two signals. Shift the upper signal by, say, 6 years and see how that looks. The Parana river is fed from an basin the size of Europe which may have a response time of several years to changes affecting the vegetation such as varying far UV insolation.

Greg Goodman
January 26, 2014 3:34 am

Douglas Keenan, to clarify if I filter monthly data with 12mo low-pass I divide the d.o.f by 12 , if I do a diff , I divide d.o.f. by 2.
Can you provide any better suggestions for correct calculation of significance in correlation coefficient where processing has reduced the degrees of freedom in the data?
Thx.

Greg Goodman
January 26, 2014 3:38 am

Ed Zuiderwijk says:
The second thing is that there can be a time shift between the two signals.
===
Indeed, a lag-correlation plot would be more appropriate.

Ivor Ward
January 26, 2014 3:45 am

I blame Bill Gates and Steve Jobs for all this. By providing a machine with a button on it that says “Do the statistics” they let a host of mathematical monkeys into science. We now have a few who understand what they are doing, like Willis, McIntyre, Briggs, and then a host of people who push buttons on computers and print the result without a clue as to the meaning of it all. Sad really. We are expected to compare these shadow men like Mann with the greats of the past who worked with chalk boards and pencils, slide rules and in China, the abacus. Take away their all singing and all dancing computers and they would not be able to sweep the streets without a sign saying “brush here”.
I, of course, would be found brushing from the other direction, but then I have never claimed to be that most ephemeral and illusory of creatures, “a scientist”.

Greg Goodman
January 26, 2014 3:58 am

Very good point Ivor.
I agree that Excel functions where you can fit a “trend” or get the correlation at the click of a button invite people to do things that they do not understand.
People conclude that they have “the” trend , like there always is a meaningful linear trend to be had irrespective of whether fitting a linear model to the data makes any sense at all.
In this respect Phil Jones get cred from me for not knowing how to fit a trend in Excel. If we could ban “trend” fitting from the discussion we’d get a lot further, a lot quicker.

RC Saumarez
January 26, 2014 4:11 am

At first sight figure 3 is wrong.
Take the year ~1988. The original data for the years +- 5 years appear to be negative or weackly positive. Yet according to your calculations the result is strongly positive.
This is obviously wrong and I do not believe that the correlation between the original and low-pass filtered is 0.1. Why? Because the correlation function is multiplied by the square of filtered spectrum and integrated with respect to frequency.
I would say that you have dropped a real clanger here.
COME ON WILLIS, SHOW US YOUR DATA AND SHOW US YOUR CODE!

Greg Goodman
January 26, 2014 4:27 am

RC. I would be good to check but don’t forget the resulting “smoothed” data is normalised by S.D. , it will be scaled up considerably. (factor of 10 at a guess).
That does not detract from W.’s criticism, that this is effectively what this paper is doing.
If he’s on the hunt for crap data processing in climate science he’s going to have a post per day for the rest of the century, to keep up entertained.

January 26, 2014 4:27 am

I agree with Willis’ observations here.
You would be surprised how many climate science papers do something similar to this. The vast majority in fact, beyond all kinds of other made-up math and made-up charting methods.
For solar, the numbers need to be changed to energy-based measures. Sunspots mean nothing. I could be convinced that some type of accumulating/declining balance W/m2 measure describes what the Sun actually does but it is not a smoothed 11 year cycle. There needs to be a physical explanation for the Sun causing cycles, not just a random correlation. For the Milankovitch cycles, at least here we have a physical explanation that is logical, but the numbers in this case don’t line up either. In other words, correlation, especially with a smoothed series of data which has no physical cause basis is just a meaningless exercise.
I can’t find a solar cycle signal in the temperature numbers. One particular dataset using one methodology (amongst a dozen other possibilities) showed a bare hint of a solar cycle – all others have nothing. That means, it must be very, very small at least in the time-period we have real energy measures, since 1978 that is. The Maunder Minimum might have had much lower energy levels that is currently believed but we don’t really know.

January 26, 2014 4:35 am

Hi Willis,
You comment: I can’t understand his method. It appears that every alternate sunspot cycle has been recorded as a negative number, in order to kinda sorta convert it to a sine wave
I don’t think much is wrong with that, providing the reasons are justified, or at least motioned, and they were not in that paper.
I often do it myself, and if I write narrative (which often I do not!) I mention NASA’s statement as an authoritative back up.
Here, I will outline my view for necessity of sign-ing the incoming solar magnetic impact:
Sun has two ‘oscillating’ hemispheres (often posited two dynamos which occasionally get out of phase), and if you plot sunspot cycles for each hemisphere separately (including magnetic polarity) you would get two Sine waves more or less in a counter phase.
As far as the Earth and rest of the solar system see it (exception are the official sunspot number observers), magnetic fields of two hemispheres do not mix, they are separated by the solar current sheet (I believe Dr. Svalgaard is one of discoverers).
The Earth, Jupiter, Saturn etc, i.e. all magnetic sensitive entities, see most of the time either one or the other, while the through transition is often very short and some time geomagnetically strong.
There is another point worth noting as far as the Earth events are considered:
Solar coronal mass ejections, CMEs (according to the NASA’s observations and an official statement) in the even-numbered solar cycles tend to hit Earth more often with a leading edge that is magnetized north. Such CMEs open a breach and load the magnetosphere with plasma starting a geomagnetic storm.
Hence, in my opinion (I acknowledge always disputed and characterised as wrong by Dr.S) it is necessary to take account of the incoming magnetic polarity. There is also question of a possible inclination difference of the drifting Earth’s magnetic axes to the current sheet, between the even and odd numbered cycles, but that is far more complex factor.
Following the official stance that the sun’s magnetic polarity doesn’t mater, science will always be able to refute possibility of the sun’s influence on the climate natural variability.
But if one takes opposite view on polarity as I outlined above, than it is a child’s play to get, let me say clearly, not numerical correlation if that is important to you, but up/down step by step follow in time , as shown here
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/Ap-NHT.htm
between the most trusted Ap index and the Earth’s N. Hemisphere temperature’s natural variability (narrative may follow some day).

January 26, 2014 4:41 am

Mike Jonas says
No link between solar activity and river flow? NASA found one:
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/nilef-20070319.html
Henry says
thanks for that
it confrims that which I have already said..
http://blogs.24.com/henryp/2013/04/29/the-climate-is-changing/
btw does anyone know what happened to William Arnold?

January 26, 2014 5:29 am

Bill Illis says: January 26, 2014 at 4:27 am
…………
Hi Bill,
No you will not, because there isn’t any, but if you make a step further and look at magnetic cycle, there is plenty:
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/Spc.htm
see also my post
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/25/sunny-spots-along-the-parana-river/#comment-1549963
there is also one in the mod’s bin somewhere.

RC Saumarez
January 26, 2014 6:15 am

I have to withdraw my last comment.
I have downloaded the NOAA sunspot data and formed a running mean and Figure 3 is essentially correct. I apologise.
However, having now read the paper very carefully, I do not think that this is what they are presenting. There is an extraordinary correlation between the sunspot data and the river flow. I do not think that they imply that they they filtered out the eleven year cycle in the sunspot data and they certainly have not done this. What they are saying is that there is a correlation bewteen sunspots and riiver flow. It makes no sense to remove the principle component of the sunspot variability when correlating it with something that they believe is correlated with sunspots. The data is figure 2 clearly has not been filtered.
What I believe they have done is smooth the de-trending function with an 11 year filter to remove a spurious de-trending component. I agree that this isn’t clear although one thing that should be borne in mind is that all three authors are Argentinian and their native language is, I assume, not English. I have seen a vast number of misunderstandings stemming from this problem.