Ah, you knew it had to happen. Taking a page from the “smoking kills” campaigns, the McKibbenites are petitioning the land of fruits and nuts to put new warning labels on gas pumps warning buyers about the evils of gasoline use as it pertains to global warming.
And, given that California’s governor Jerry brown was recently scared shitless at AGU by a hyped up presentation by Penn State’s Dr. Richard Alley, he’ll probably help these folks get it into law. I wrote then:
I shudder to think what sort of influence Alley’s rantings might have on the people of California via Brown.
Here’s the proposed label:
My view is that it will probably get about as much attention from consumers as the idiotic Global Warming Labels for cars in California, that are even required on electric cars (which is why I gave up on trying to sell them in 2008, but that’s another story) because apparently consumers are too stupid to figure out that electric motors don’t directly emit gases.
Does anyone except the most zealotous of buyers really care? Generally not, looks, features, color, price, performance, and mileage are still the biggest factors in determining an automobile purchase.
So, even if the McKibbenites manage to get this into law, it will likely have about as much impact as this sticker already slapped onto new car doors and the side of gas pumps in California from Proposition 65 in 1986:
![prop_65[1]](http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/prop_651.jpg?quality=83)
People still need to get from point A to point B, like to work, and will generally consider that need above all others. Basically the new global warming gasoline warning label as proposed will just be a subtle form of harassment from the minority McKibbenites on the majority of Californians.
The local chapter of the McKibbenite sect thinks the label should look like this:
350BayArea.org has released this mock up of what a climate change warning label might look like on a gas pump. (350BayArea.org)
I keep hoping environmental zealots will be forced to wear a warning label. Maybe something like “Warning: Irrational and emotionally based statements (and odors) may emanate from this individual, keep 10 feet back.”
(h/t to a bunch of people, you know who you are.)
Leave Subaru’s (Now owned by Toyota since ~2000, sadly) alone. I have driven Subarus, both 4×4 and 2×4, turbo and non-turbo since 1996. Never had a single problem with them. They just keep going.
But where will this loony labeling end? As far as I can tell, EVERYTHING we make contains “stuff” that can be dentrimental to us and the environment. Just go almost anywhere in Africa and Asia to see that. And those items had “labels” too.
Still, you could build a wall around CA and insulate the rest of the USA from the idiocy. I still think the USA should give CA back to the Mexicans, or suffer “assimilation” from within.
Carolina Cowboy:
97% of all climate science grants require the results to be CAGW.
97% of all climate science model predictions are wrong.
97% of all climate models predicted significant global warming over the last 15 years….and were wrong.
Pippen Kool says
“Since 1965 or 1970, cigarette use has halved, in spite of the industry obfuscation on the correlation between smoking and cancer.”
Nicotine is a known appetite supressant.
Obesity now afflicts 25 % of the population in the UK( mainly non-smokers). So now it is heart disease/ stroke that will get you instead of cancer.
Law of unintended consqeunces ?
This might not be fast but from a gearhead standpoint, it’s simply amazing.
It’s not socialism. It’s elitism. You need to check out the real powers behind it. And they are seeking having governments guarantee their in-country investments 100% (not dissimilar to the US banks getting a 100% default guarantee for students loans in 2005)…because ‘the people’ will be made to demand it. Gabriel de Rothschild started the WWF. Baron Edmund de Rothschild was behind getting the World Resources Institute (DC) started. The World Resources Institute was the source of the original CO2 scare in 1987, claimed Baron Edmund de Rothschild in Denver at the 4th World Wilderness Conference (1987) extra conference up in the hills of Estes Park CO after the main conference. The Baron’s source? Dr. Irving Mintzer, the editor of the World Resources Institute. Dr. Mintzer has all three degrees from Berkeley: BA in general arts, an MBA, and a PhD in Energy Resources. Big scientist. Yet Baron de Rothschild shrieked that DOCTOR MINTZER !!! was warning that global warming was going to kill us, and the Baron recommended covering the arctic ice in dry ice in order to save the arctic ice from CO2.
I am not making this up. It’s actually worse than the taste I’m giving here.
And BTW, ‘socialism’ within our capitalist system means taking care of everyone, and making sure that today’s kids have the same opportunity and costs that their grandparents had in the 50s. Everyone who wags on this board about “socialism” in the USA (not anywhere else) is full of BS and cruel, and doesn’t understand how federal accounting works (like the idiots who think there’s some factory in downtown China manufacturing dollar bills that the US borrows…facepalm stupid).
Oh yeah, addendum to Policycritic says: January 11, 2014 at 5:49 am,
Dr. Irving Mintzer (I can never get the spelling right, it might be Minzter) was the guy who helped McKibben write his first book in 1988. How would Bill McKibben know to contact Dr. Irving Mintzer? How? The World Resources Institute was a minuscule org in DC. Who put him onto it?
(We know, courtesy of researcher Vivian Krause’s analysis of US tax returns that McKibben has been funded by the Rockefeller Brothers Fund since Day One, albeit under different names.)
This is elitism and you are being made to believe it is otherwise.
I fixed my earlier post where I was quoting Anthony but did not use quotation marks. I was trying to point out to Anthony that “zealotous” is not a word.
“Does anyone except the most zealotous of buyers really care?”
You mean zealous. Zealotous is is a name from Ragnarok http://ragnarok.wikia.com/wiki/Zealotus_(anime)
If they really meant it, then they should remove the credit card swiper mechanism and require all gasoline purchases be cash transactions, after all if you can’t afford to burn gas today but you do have a credit card to borrow from the future (our children) and selfishly increase your carbon footprint today well that isn’t very environmental either is it?
http://youtu.be/JYfM-frIWlQ
Policycritic says: @ur momisugly January 11, 2014 at 5:49 am
It’s not socialism. It’s elitism….
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Socialism is the sheepskin used to hide the wolf of elitism.
Read E.M. Smith’s explanation of why corporations love socialism.
The propaganda that Corporation CEOs and Bankers HATE socialism and love ‘Capitalism’ is the biggest lie ever pulled on humanity. Even bigger than the CAGW lie that is just a part of that much big lie.
Here’s a Saturday Funny for ya: Mark Steyn’s take on the “glorious ship of fools”:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9112201/ship-of-fools-2/
It’s a “gotta-read”!
@ur momisugly Mac — (smile) I only heard about how well my brother did with his ’69 Camaro after the fact … . I didn’t know Ovenell Road was used as a drag strip until I did a ride-along with a local sheriff sergeant, years later. I’ve watched (only) some pretty spectacular bleach burn-offs in front of my parents’ house… . And there was the day we all stood well back and grinned and “oh-man-that-is-so-COOLed” while watching my brother doing 360’s in that same location. If I had owned a cool car, I WOULD have been driving! If you weren’t wealthy, you had to be a genius motorhead (or someone with the motivation to force herself to learn — I didn’t) to own such a fine car at that age. I just like to drive. But, someday…… I’m planning on it!
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@ur momisugly James the Fifth — How did it go on Thanksgiving??? I prayed for you! If she refused to listen, that is NOT YOUR PROBLEM. Hope that, at least, you enjoyed your dinner. Re: “zealotous,” maybe An-th-ony was thinking of how gelatinous the brains of those junk science dupes are… .
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@ur momisugly Rocky Road — yes, Mark Steyn is ALWAYS a good read, and the content of that article will likely be good, but, he kind of messed up with the “A Boy Named Sue” song title. In that song recorded by Johnny Cash, Sue the boy was super-manly and tough thanks to his first name. So, the pun is witty, but, the meaning of the song is not on point. And I’m only pointing that out because I’ve seen at least one WUWT commenter make the same mistake and want to prevent anyone ELSE from embarrassing him or herself. Mann is not a macho dude by ANY stretch of the imagination.
Thanks for sharing.
Inre: “This is not socialism it is elitism.” Socialism and communism require a class which is above the laws to distribute weath and property and enforce “equality.”
Any free services and money pre-supposes a class which writes the checks and gives the benefits. These are not accountable and form a separate aristocracy. This is an elitist system: instead, all laws must apply equally to all people. For example, passing Obamacare and giving waivers to Congress and the IRS, and Unions, is the creation of inequality before the law and must be rejected on that basis.
It is wrong and ethically incomprehensible for older progressives to convince younger, inexperienced individuals that they should have free entitlements given to them. This corrupts them deliberately.
Can you imagine how much they are salivating for the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP)? The Corps (transnationals) with treaty rights to change a nation’s laws? Somnambulant Americans are going to let this President pass it and that will be the beginning of the end, imo.
Zeke:
re your post at January 11, 2014 at 12:44 pm.
I suggest that you leave discussion of socialism to people who know what it is. I and several other socialists who post to WUWT can provide the information (I already have in another WUWT thread so if you want to learn then you can do a Search).
Richard
richardscourtney says:
January 11, 2014 at 1:03 pm Zeke: re your post at January 11, 2014 at 12:44 pm.
I suggest that you leave discussion of socialism to people who know what it is.
This is not the time and place for you to create a thread dedicated to your personal appologetics for socialism. I have criticized inequality before the law which has been implemented in my country through socialist programs.
RichardSCourtney, just ignore them.
If there is a rational criticism of socialism (as opposed to corruption) then the debate would be interesting. But most of the criticism of socialism here has defined socialism as “that which I don’t like”.
That has two effects.
1 Followers charge off on a wild goose chase; shouting at socialism and getting in the way of nothing… who cares about them?
2 Careful readers will do more research into their ‘enemy’ and they will provide rational criticisms or choose to say and do nothing. That is harmless or helpful.
But wrestling with those who have already decided they don’t like you will not be a friendly contest. It can only be destructive for all concerned.
M Courtney:
Yes, I agree. Please note that my refutation of the silly comment said to use the Search facility but the silly commentator pretended that I – not him – was trying to start a discussion.
If there is further on this matter I shall ignore it.
Richard
I responded to a broad, simplistic statement in another comment; and the content and quality of my objection is both valid and worthwhile.
I do not feel obligated to repeat the numerous long threads on WUWT which deal with the nuances of your personal hobby horse. Milodonharlani, Gail, DirkH and many others have already responded. Shall I provide the link?
Janice Moore says:
January 10, 2014 at 11:47 am
@ur momisugly Mac the Knight in Shining Armor — have a good (and peaceful) lunch break. #(:))
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I thought the gentleman was Mr. Knife?
Tom J says:
January 10, 2014 at 2:30 pm
Janice Moore
January 10, 2014 at 2:07 pm
‘Hi, Tom J.! #(:)) re: “I’m doing good.” Good! Thanks for letting me know (you’rebeingprayedforfriend). Nitrogen, lol. I’d go for some NO2 in a little canister sitting on the center console, heh, heh… . ZOOOOOOOOOM!’
Janice, no offense intended but you need to learn the nitrogen bible. It’s an obscure bible, known only to the most die-hard of gear heads. I will teach you its truths; oh curious one.
1) Pure Nitrogen: goes into tires
2) Nitrous Oxide: goes into the air flowing into the engine and mixes with it to produce an extra 25-50%+ power increase (depending on ratio) when the gasoline lights off
3) Nitromethane (otherwise referred to as ‘Nitro’): originally developed for rockets it has found its true meaning in life by powering massively supercharged (blown), punched out, Chrysler Hemi variants producing perhaps 6,000 hp at 8,000 rpm for about 30 seconds until the engine explodes at the drag strip. Nitromethane has been alleged to be a gift from god. It is certainly the fuel of the gods.
Believe it or not, I’ve never seen a drag race. That’s one of my goals this summer. I have seen some earth shattering machines at tractor pulls however.
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More fun facts follow!
N2O or Nitrous oxide has a high molar oxygen mass relative to air. So, you can burn more fuel and get more power by injection of N2O… give me my NOS! Instead, though I use a turbo charger to ram in more air, which is free. At 22 pounds of boost, that is like 2.5 times the amount of oxygen than air at atmospheric pressure provides. N2O is also great for laughs when inhaled –you can try this with whipped cream cans. If you hold the canister upright, only the N2O will come out. Breathing it is called a “whip-it” and you can get about 3 lung fulls of laughter out of a can. I believe nitrogen tapped beer also gives a better head than CO2… hence the famous Guinness Stout with its superb creamy foamy head.
Nitrogen in tires is more stable than compressed air –especially since there is moisture in most compressed air, that when heated (via rolling resistance) within a tire causes a significant tire pressure change from cold to warm. At the race track, I care only what my hot tire pressure is, because at that pressure, the footprint of the tire is what matters most to traction. Given that I want temperature of the contact patch to be ideal (for grip reasons) at the resulting pressure that maximizes the tires’ surface that contacts the tarmac, nitrogen provides a sweeter hot spot (pun intended) with less of a variance in pressure.
I digress.
Yes 350.org sucks… this makes me on topic and on the right side of the argument right?
Janice writes – “I Can’t Drive 55″ (Yes! Sadly, have to, mostly, TOO much traffic) — Sammy Haggar
Hey – I volunteer to teach teen driving clinics at ThunderHill Raceway in Willows CA. There is no speed limit during parts of the clinic –especially when I get to give demo rides on the race track. Or when I drive shot-gun while the student gets the reins removed for their on-track sessions. That said, there is a safe place to speed… with no speed limits!!! And it’s not the streets or public roadways.
That said, I really loved Haggar before Van-Hagger. The Van Halen sounds was designed for Mr. Roth I think.
Corvette, considered by many enthusiasts to be the best in terms of performance per dollar spent… period. This is settled science (in my opinion). By that metric, I vote the ‘Vette best performance car bar none. I have yet to drive the latest incarnation. So little time – so many new things to thrash on track!
London247 says:
January 11, 2014 at 4:40 am
Pippen Kool says
“Since 1965 or 1970, cigarette use has halved, in spite of the industry obfuscation on the correlation between smoking and cancer.”
Nicotine is a known appetite supressant.
Obesity now afflicts 25 % of the population in the UK( mainly non-smokers). So now it is heart disease/ stroke that will get you instead of cancer.
Law of unintended consqeunces ?
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Isn’t there a study that shows that people who quit smoking gain weight? So could we extrapolate that smoking reduces obesity? (I’m just trying to get a rise out of people with that comment. I am NOT advocating smoking as a weight reduction method.)
theOtherJohninCalif says:
January 10, 2014 at 12:21 pm
“I still hang on to hopes we try to ban dihydrogen monoxide. If any state could, it would be California.”
Well, they came damned close already.
“In March 2004 the California municipality of Aliso Viejo (a suburb in Orange County) came within a cat’s whisker of falling for this hoax [dihyrdogen monoxide] after a paralegal there convinced city officials of the danger posed by this chemical. The leg-pull got so far as a vote’s having been scheduled for the City Council on a proposed law that would have banned the use of foam containers at city-sponsored events because (among other things) they were made with DHMO, a substance that could ‘threaten human health and safety.'”
http://www.snopes.com/science/dhmo.asp
Janice Moore says:
January 10, 2014 at 7:14 pm
Hey, Annie, yes, indeed, I know some intelligent, well-informed, people who drive Subarus (mainly for the fuel economy and the reasonable sticker price), and now, I know you are one of that category of S. owners, too (I must say, though, they usually are NOT well-informed about cars…). I hope that yours never lets you down. Yeah, what Frank said, and ANY hybrid would do: the Enviroguilt Cult’s “holy car.”
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I drove a few subies on track. One of them put down 550ph… it was insane. Other subies on track with about 350hp were also a blast to drive. Like the Evo, they are really easy to drive fast. They drift and respond well to drop throttle rotation to get them aimed at apexes. So much fun!!