Turney doesn’t apply the precautionary principle when it comes to himself.
James Bull
January 7, 2014 1:26 am
Love the picture and many of the comments, have had a good laugh.
DanJ says:
January 6, 2014 at 4:10 pm
RE: icebreakers,
Thanks for the info on icebreakers, the last part about the American ones being old and in need of replacement– Why when all the ice is melting and will be gone in *&%$£(*? years do you need to spend money that can be used for junkets and freeloaders on new ice breaking ships?
Spot the SARC.
James Bull
Andrew
January 7, 2014 1:36 am
“I visited a glacier some years ago. It was melting and with the current speed it would be gone pretty soon. My friends thought that it was becuase of co2. I can’t blame them for thinking that.”
Yeah I went to the NZ glaciers, and though “Wow, these things really HAVE receded a lot!” Then I saw where the line was in 1847 (before CO2s were invented). It receded just as quickly before as it did after – the thing had been going out backwards since the LIA, and indeed since the Ice Age.
Andrew
January 7, 2014 1:39 am
“Turney doesn’t apply the precautionary principle when it comes to himself.”
Professor, would you like some aloe vera for that burrrrrnnnnnnnnn
john
January 7, 2014 2:40 am
One of the central tenets of post-modernism is that there is no objective truth.
Rather, reality is a social construct, which is presumably achieved by consensus.
Post-modernist science first flourished in sociology which expanded to encompass various grievance studies, LGBT studies and others of similar ilk, where rather that observing objective reality, facts are created by consensus and then treated as immutable, except when their mutability is politically expedient.
Post-modernism successfully encroached upon physical science when its utility was recognised by climatologists.
Immediately, climate scientists created, by consensus, their social construct, the terrible spectre of an earth destroyed by catastrophic anthropogenic climate change, which would necessarily result from mankind’s use of fossil fuels.
Computer simulations were created to further refine their visions of an earth with rapidly increasing temperatures, melted polar ice sheets, rising sea levels, inundation of coastal areas, droughts, floods, more snow, less snow, more hurricanes, fewer hurricanes and millions of climate refugees.
In accordance with post-modernism, when the predicted disasters did not occur, this did not require modification of the theory achieved by consensus, it only required modification of the data, which climate scientists have never considered to be immutable, in any case.
Realising that many people cling bitterly to the outmoded concept of objective reality, climate scientists immediately began to surreptitiously alter the historical temperature record, lowering temperatures recorded in the past, so as to ensure that the present is warmer than any time in history.
Inconvenient implications of this theory, regarding accuracy of written history, detailing the supposed activities of our ancestors are discretely ignored as is the truly inconvenient seeming phase relationship between atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and atmospheric temperature.
One old-fashioned and reactionary physicist postulated a thought experiment, wherein a cat in a box was considered to occupy all possible states of existence, aliveness or deadness, until the box was opened, whereupon, it would immediately occupy its most probable state, when observed by an observer.
Post-modernists would postulate that Schrodinger’s cat would occupy whatever state was dictated by the consensus of 97% of observers.
It is clear, since reality is created by consensus, that Professor Turley was quite correct in asserting that the sea-ice in Antarctic waters is disappearing and that therefore the inconvenient entrapment of the Akademik Shokalskiy and Xue Long was not due to any failings of their global warming theory or irresponsible behaviour upon his part.
Rather, the apparent sea-ice which seemingly imprisoned the ships was caused by the denialist consensus imposed by reactionary elements, who had successfully promulgated their denialist claims.
Denialists were only able to promote their minority opinions because the world’s governments have been so irresponsible as to permit them to express their contrarian views to the general public, whose opinions count for nothing, on any subject.
However, at least the Guardian newspaper and the BBC do not indulge in such irresponsible behaviour as to present any unsanctioned theories or facts to their readers or viewers.
Without doubt, if the governments of the world had outlawed any expression of dissent towards the cult of global warming, as many supporters of the cult within the “reality based community” wish, with draconian punishment for contradicting their edicts, then Professor Turley would have encountered no sea-ice, only open ocean, as Mawson did in 1912, before a century of carbon dioxide emissions had raised global temperatures to their current level.
Blame for the disaster encountered by the climate scientists and tourists as well as the damage to their consensus based global warming, lies not with Professor Turley, but with those who irresponsibly publish supposedly objective facts, which they claim define objective reality, as though such a term had any real-world meaning.
It is clear that until more draconian censorship of denialists is enacted, reality will never conform to the climate simulations, which the climate scientists and socialist activists have crafted to reflect their consensus of what the world should be, in accordance to their mutable laws of physics.
Why when all the ice is melting and will be gone in *&%$£(*? years do you need to spend money that can be used for junkets and freeloaders on new ice breaking ships?Spot the SARC.
It is actually a good point. No SARC is needed.
Ice breaking ships are a very large expense – why waste your money on it when there are other countries for an emergency. And the cost per year will be perceived to be higher if their useful working life is reduced.
I like how Turney/they keep saying no one is/was in any danger.
There was hull damage on the Shokalskiy. It was above the water line, but what is above the water line in a wavy ocean where ice is tilting the ship as the pictures show.
The hull damage could just have easily been 2 metres lower and 2 metres longer and the ship could have sunk. Then everyone would have been out on the sea ice for days, possibly getting wet at some point, before rescue would have been possible.
I call that extreme danger.
pat
January 7, 2014 5:12 am
7 Jan: BBC: Antarctic ships escape from ice trap as weather changes
The Russian research ship Akademik Shokalskiy and Chinese icebreaker Xue Long have broken free from Antarctic ice where they had been stranded for several days.
The Russian ship’s captain said a crack had appeared in the ice after a change in wind direction…
“We’re going slowly and zig-zagging, we’ve already moved more than 20 [nautical] miles,” Captain Igor Kiselyov of the Russian ship told Itar-Tass news agency.
“It’s tough going so far, a lot of mist, visibility is no more than 500 metres,” he said.
He confirmed that the Chinese ship was also moving and that Akademik Shokalskiy was just north of it.
“It may catch up with us – in that case, we’ll follow in its wake. But if not, we’ll get out together, independently,” he said… http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25635690
Ulrich Elkmann
January 7, 2014 5:31 am
KevinK says:
January 6, 2014 at 6:18 pm
The biggest problem is that it is technically a dessert
+++++++++++++
Love that typo.
Do you think any of those Ph.D. students will get a dessertation out of this?
negrum
January 7, 2014 5:42 am
john says:
January 7, 2014 at 2:40 am
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Very well put.
I won’t post the link here, but for those interested in searching there is one of those Hitler movie dubs making the rounds featuring this expedition. The clip is NSFW, but otherwise reasonably amusing (for the admittedly overplayed genre).
Pat and all,
The “Aurora Australis” continues on its original mission to resupply the Casey station. Turney the Turkey and his 51 compatriots are Antarctic-bound, with a nice long cold cruise before they even start back to Tasmania. If they had stayed on their charter they would have gotten home weeks earlier, ah, the delicious irony still continues…
The Casey resupply mission looks like it faces some difficulties: We are now only hours away from Casey and the commencement of Casey station resupply part 2. We have a small weather window from our arrival at midnight until noon tomorrow or until the wind increases to our operational limits of the watercraft and crane. In an attempt to stay awake longer last night with the thought of sleeping later in today a Quentin Tarantino movie marathon was run overnight. All personnel working tonight are now rested and looking forward to completing our task. With strong winds forecast over the next few days both shore based and ship based operations are ready to take advantage of opportunities that may arise to transfer cargo if the winds abate sufficiently. All opportunities are looked at within the parameters of safety, operational limits and fatigue management. We are also looking for a weather window to transfer 420,000 litres of SAB (Special Antarctic Blend) to complete the refuelling of the station. We have approximately 140 tonne of cargo to discharge to Casey and approximately 210 tonne of cargo to load to the ship. A number of roundtrip projects have a shore based component and we are working to maximise the opportunities for these projects to be completed in the time that we are at station. Cheers Leanne and Mark.
omo
January 7, 2014 11:02 am
EMPIRICIST, My apologies, but your lack of quotation marks or italics below the link did make it look like the words were your own, speaking in the present context.
Brian H
January 7, 2014 9:10 pm
The escapade has to be renamed. How about, “Spit on Mawson”?
Gail Combs
January 10, 2014 2:54 pm
James of the West says: @ur momisugly January 6, 2014 at 2:26 pm
….Until the interglacial is finished the ice is going to continue to melt. Don’t Panic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Actually if you take the longer view the ice is not melting glaciers are advancing.
Temperature and precipitation history of the Arctic 2010
Miller et al
Institute of Arctic and Alpine Research and Department of Geological Sciences, University of Colorado, USA et al
…. Solar energy reached a summer maximum (9% higher than at present) ~11 ka ago and has been decreasing since then, primarily in response to the precession of the equinoxes. The extra energy elevated early Holocene summer temperatures throughout the Arctic 1-3°C above 20th century averages, enough to completely melt many small glaciers throughout the Arctic, although the Greenland Ice Sheet was only slightly smaller than at present. Early Holocene summer sea ice limits were substantially smaller than their 20th century average, and the flow of Atlantic water into the Arctic Ocean was substantially greater. As summer solar energy decreased in the second half of the Holocene, glaciers re-established or advanced, sea ice expanded…
A more recent paper looking at glaciers in Norway.
A new approach for reconstructing glacier variability based on lake sediments recording input from more than one glacier January 2012
Kristian Vasskoga Øyvind Paaschec, Atle Nesjea, John F. Boyled, H.J.B. Birks
…. A multi-proxy numerical analysis demonstrates that it is possible to distinguish a glacier component in the ~ 8000-yr-long record, based on distinct changes in grain size, geochemistry, and magnetic composition…. This signal is …independently tested through a mineral magnetic provenance analysis of catchment samples. Minimum glacier input is indicated between 6700–5700 cal yr BP, probably reflecting a situation when most glaciers in the catchment had melted away, whereas the highest glacier activity is observed around 600 and 200 cal yr BP. During the local Neoglacial interval (~ 4200 cal yr BP until present), five individual periods of significantly reduced glacier extent are identified at ~ 3400, 3000–2700, 2100–2000, 1700–1500, and ~ 900 cal yr BP….
The authors of BOTH papers simply state that most glaciers likely didn’t exist 6,000 years ago, but the highest period of the glacial activity has been in the past 600 years. This is hardly surprising with ~9% less solar energy then during the Holocene Optimum.
the full statement from the Australian Antarctic Division:
7 Jan: Australian Antarctic shipping schedule revised
http://www.antarctica.gov.au/media/news/2014/australian-antarctic-shipping-schedule-revised
Turney doesn’t apply the precautionary principle when it comes to himself.
Love the picture and many of the comments, have had a good laugh.
DanJ says:
January 6, 2014 at 4:10 pm
RE: icebreakers,
Thanks for the info on icebreakers, the last part about the American ones being old and in need of replacement– Why when all the ice is melting and will be gone in *&%$£(*? years do you need to spend money that can be used for junkets and freeloaders on new ice breaking ships?
Spot the SARC.
James Bull
“I visited a glacier some years ago. It was melting and with the current speed it would be gone pretty soon. My friends thought that it was becuase of co2. I can’t blame them for thinking that.”
Yeah I went to the NZ glaciers, and though “Wow, these things really HAVE receded a lot!” Then I saw where the line was in 1847 (before CO2s were invented). It receded just as quickly before as it did after – the thing had been going out backwards since the LIA, and indeed since the Ice Age.
“Turney doesn’t apply the precautionary principle when it comes to himself.”
Professor, would you like some aloe vera for that burrrrrnnnnnnnnn
One of the central tenets of post-modernism is that there is no objective truth.
Rather, reality is a social construct, which is presumably achieved by consensus.
Post-modernist science first flourished in sociology which expanded to encompass various grievance studies, LGBT studies and others of similar ilk, where rather that observing objective reality, facts are created by consensus and then treated as immutable, except when their mutability is politically expedient.
Post-modernism successfully encroached upon physical science when its utility was recognised by climatologists.
Immediately, climate scientists created, by consensus, their social construct, the terrible spectre of an earth destroyed by catastrophic anthropogenic climate change, which would necessarily result from mankind’s use of fossil fuels.
Computer simulations were created to further refine their visions of an earth with rapidly increasing temperatures, melted polar ice sheets, rising sea levels, inundation of coastal areas, droughts, floods, more snow, less snow, more hurricanes, fewer hurricanes and millions of climate refugees.
In accordance with post-modernism, when the predicted disasters did not occur, this did not require modification of the theory achieved by consensus, it only required modification of the data, which climate scientists have never considered to be immutable, in any case.
Realising that many people cling bitterly to the outmoded concept of objective reality, climate scientists immediately began to surreptitiously alter the historical temperature record, lowering temperatures recorded in the past, so as to ensure that the present is warmer than any time in history.
Inconvenient implications of this theory, regarding accuracy of written history, detailing the supposed activities of our ancestors are discretely ignored as is the truly inconvenient seeming phase relationship between atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and atmospheric temperature.
One old-fashioned and reactionary physicist postulated a thought experiment, wherein a cat in a box was considered to occupy all possible states of existence, aliveness or deadness, until the box was opened, whereupon, it would immediately occupy its most probable state, when observed by an observer.
Post-modernists would postulate that Schrodinger’s cat would occupy whatever state was dictated by the consensus of 97% of observers.
It is clear, since reality is created by consensus, that Professor Turley was quite correct in asserting that the sea-ice in Antarctic waters is disappearing and that therefore the inconvenient entrapment of the Akademik Shokalskiy and Xue Long was not due to any failings of their global warming theory or irresponsible behaviour upon his part.
Rather, the apparent sea-ice which seemingly imprisoned the ships was caused by the denialist consensus imposed by reactionary elements, who had successfully promulgated their denialist claims.
Denialists were only able to promote their minority opinions because the world’s governments have been so irresponsible as to permit them to express their contrarian views to the general public, whose opinions count for nothing, on any subject.
However, at least the Guardian newspaper and the BBC do not indulge in such irresponsible behaviour as to present any unsanctioned theories or facts to their readers or viewers.
Without doubt, if the governments of the world had outlawed any expression of dissent towards the cult of global warming, as many supporters of the cult within the “reality based community” wish, with draconian punishment for contradicting their edicts, then Professor Turley would have encountered no sea-ice, only open ocean, as Mawson did in 1912, before a century of carbon dioxide emissions had raised global temperatures to their current level.
Blame for the disaster encountered by the climate scientists and tourists as well as the damage to their consensus based global warming, lies not with Professor Turley, but with those who irresponsibly publish supposedly objective facts, which they claim define objective reality, as though such a term had any real-world meaning.
It is clear that until more draconian censorship of denialists is enacted, reality will never conform to the climate simulations, which the climate scientists and socialist activists have crafted to reflect their consensus of what the world should be, in accordance to their mutable laws of physics.
James Bull says at January 7, 2014 at 1:26 am
It is actually a good point. No SARC is needed.
Ice breaking ships are a very large expense – why waste your money on it when there are other countries for an emergency. And the cost per year will be perceived to be higher if their useful working life is reduced.
The russian vessel is now free from ice and moves.
http://top.rbc.ru/society/07/01/2014/898317.shtml
the chinese vessel with the climate scientists is still trapped.
I like how Turney/they keep saying no one is/was in any danger.
There was hull damage on the Shokalskiy. It was above the water line, but what is above the water line in a wavy ocean where ice is tilting the ship as the pictures show.
The hull damage could just have easily been 2 metres lower and 2 metres longer and the ship could have sunk. Then everyone would have been out on the sea ice for days, possibly getting wet at some point, before rescue would have been possible.
I call that extreme danger.
7 Jan: BBC: Antarctic ships escape from ice trap as weather changes
The Russian research ship Akademik Shokalskiy and Chinese icebreaker Xue Long have broken free from Antarctic ice where they had been stranded for several days.
The Russian ship’s captain said a crack had appeared in the ice after a change in wind direction…
“We’re going slowly and zig-zagging, we’ve already moved more than 20 [nautical] miles,” Captain Igor Kiselyov of the Russian ship told Itar-Tass news agency.
“It’s tough going so far, a lot of mist, visibility is no more than 500 metres,” he said.
He confirmed that the Chinese ship was also moving and that Akademik Shokalskiy was just north of it.
“It may catch up with us – in that case, we’ll follow in its wake. But if not, we’ll get out together, independently,” he said…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25635690
KevinK says:
January 6, 2014 at 6:18 pm
The biggest problem is that it is technically a dessert
+++++++++++++
Love that typo.
Do you think any of those Ph.D. students will get a dessertation out of this?
john says:
January 7, 2014 at 2:40 am
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Very well put.
Every one of the comments on Turney’s Nature article is negative.
http://www.nature.com/news/this-was-no-antarctic-pleasure-cruise-1.14466
I won’t post the link here, but for those interested in searching there is one of those Hitler movie dubs making the rounds featuring this expedition. The clip is NSFW, but otherwise reasonably amusing (for the admittedly overplayed genre).
Pat and all,
The “Aurora Australis” continues on its original mission to resupply the Casey station. Turney the Turkey and his 51 compatriots are Antarctic-bound, with a nice long cold cruise before they even start back to Tasmania. If they had stayed on their charter they would have gotten home weeks earlier, ah, the delicious irony still continues…
Turneys Turkeys? LOL.
Xue Long has reached open waters:
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/trapped-ships-break/946092.html
The Casey resupply mission looks like it faces some difficulties:
We are now only hours away from Casey and the commencement of Casey station resupply part 2. We have a small weather window from our arrival at midnight until noon tomorrow or until the wind increases to our operational limits of the watercraft and crane. In an attempt to stay awake longer last night with the thought of sleeping later in today a Quentin Tarantino movie marathon was run overnight. All personnel working tonight are now rested and looking forward to completing our task. With strong winds forecast over the next few days both shore based and ship based operations are ready to take advantage of opportunities that may arise to transfer cargo if the winds abate sufficiently. All opportunities are looked at within the parameters of safety, operational limits and fatigue management. We are also looking for a weather window to transfer 420,000 litres of SAB (Special Antarctic Blend) to complete the refuelling of the station. We have approximately 140 tonne of cargo to discharge to Casey and approximately 210 tonne of cargo to load to the ship. A number of roundtrip projects have a shore based component and we are working to maximise the opportunities for these projects to be completed in the time that we are at station. Cheers Leanne and Mark.
EMPIRICIST, My apologies, but your lack of quotation marks or italics below the link did make it look like the words were your own, speaking in the present context.
The escapade has to be renamed. How about, “Spit on Mawson”?
James of the West says: @ur momisugly January 6, 2014 at 2:26 pm
….Until the interglacial is finished the ice is going to continue to melt. Don’t Panic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Actually if you take the longer view the ice is not melting glaciers are advancing.
A more recent paper looking at glaciers in Norway.
The authors of BOTH papers simply state that most glaciers likely didn’t exist 6,000 years ago, but the highest period of the glacial activity has been in the past 600 years. This is hardly surprising with ~9% less solar energy then during the Holocene Optimum.