It seems this reporter Alexander White considered Jim Hoggan’s PR for hire website “DeSmog Blog” a factual source. LOL! He might find some challenges ahead if he doesn’t fix his story.
ISCS Director Tom Harris writes:
Please join in on the discussion after today’s piece slamming ICSC in the Guardian (UK) newspaper Website
Here is one of my comments:
Alex, your article is riddled with mistakes about us. I have written a letter to the editor to correct your mistakes and suggest that, before attacking us, you should have simply contacted me to ask if what you read on DeSmogBlog was actually true. Let’s hope they have the integrity to actually publish the letter.
Tom Harris, B. Eng., M. Eng. (Mech.)
Executive Director,
International Climate Science Coalition (ICSC)
Ottawa, Ontario
Canada
www.climatescienceinternational.org
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Sorry to be picky Alex, but Mother used to say that you could always measure a man’s worth inversely in proportion to the size of his shoulder pads.
This call for censorship was already done in my newspaper in 2009 shortly before Climategate. The argument of the author was:
1.The science is settled.
2.In science we do not have democracy.
3.Newspaper comments by amateurs seed doubt among the uninformed.
4.It is not good to have doubts about settled science.
5.Newspaper comments by amateurs should be censored.
Therefore, he did educate the uninformed about the settled science, the last time by showing that the IPCC summary for policy makers was a triumph of that science and everything he wrote since 2009.
Looks like the Guardian has lightly moderated that story, perhaps to gauge real opinion on a plan to do just as they describe, but the sceptics own that particular conversation, and based on it, any editor would be very wary about moving down that path.
I’d give sceptics 100 warmists 1…
What really amazed me is among the protests at the Guardian there was very little or no real science discussed, just ranting and appeals to authority, frankly I dont think I saw a number other than 97. For a frequenter of WUWT where real science is discussed all the time, I found this dialougue rather childish. Aint no way the Guardian is getting my email address just to join that rabble.
Oh, and sometimes I wonder if they write this crap in order to pilfer pageviews from sceptic blogs to tout to advertisers.
Agree with those posting that the push to close off debate is a sign of desperation. Not certain if it’s well-know that Dr. Nathan Allen is engaged in special pleading. His main work for Dow has been in Department Of Energy funded hydrogen fuel cell technology. One of the primary motivations given for taxpayer funding of his research is AGW. That he has benefited should not preclude him from commenting but it’s something he should declare.
One of the most interesting attitudes of the alarmists / rabid greens / ecoloons / warmists / catastrophists and all the other assorted leftist do gooders such as the rabid Green renewable energy proponents who continually advocate the suppression and censorship of opinions that do not coincide with their own beliefs and ideology, is their apparent inability to even contemplate that they also will be just as severely affected and suffer just as severely along with everybody else if their own censorious policies are ever implemented.
These latent left wing totalitarian promoting goose steppers seemingly live in some sort of a completely parallel universe where the policies, actions and consequences they so vehemently demand should be applied to all others who fail to or refuse to fall into line with their particular brand of a totalitarian ideology, will just simply pass them and they seemingly continue to assume that they themselves will continue to enjoy the quite lavish life style they currently demand and expect as their own inalienable right..
What goes around, comes around as the old saying goes.
So often throughout history influential individuals and groups have arisen usually created in debate over some contentious cause and who first just want to right the percieved wrongs and promote the “cause” as the solution to all those past wrongs or those wrong beliefs as they see it.
When others come out and oppose the “cause” the advocates and believers in the “cause” resort to ever harsher and increasingly severe retribution agaist those who oppose the advocates of the particular Cause.
From there the progress in historical terms is a fast moving trend to an all out totalitarianism and often a full blown Tyranny with ever harsher measures against those who only appear to oppose or even just question the now tyrannical new regime.
In their unbridled hubris, arrogance and complete ignorance and in the unshakeable belief that they and they only are the blessed ones who know the real TRUTH, the climate catastrophe believing totalitarian advocates and warmista advocates of the suppression of free speech just seem to completely fail to recognise that throughout history the pitiless and ruthless policies that many totalitarian regimes and tyrants have moved to inflict on all those who oppose them has more often than not been applied to the very same advocates of those measures when the great tides of fortune, time, history and politics once again reverse course as they always have.
They also in their ignorance and the shallowness of their intellect totally fail to realise that in advocating censorship of those who do not agree with their own ideology of catastrophic warming of the planet, they themselves might one day be on the receiving end of that very same censorship.
And if history is any guide then when censorship is first used it soon degenerates into ever harsher and into an ever more despotic regime which eventually has no qualms or inhibitions in physically eliminating anybody or anything that opposes or questions it..
To the advocates of the censoring of skeptics or worse, much worse as has been recorded. ;
1 / Be very careful indeed as to what you might wish for; You might just get it.
2 / There is also an old saying; “A revolution devours it’s children”.
Perhaps that is what we skeptics are seeing today as happening to the global warming ideology and it’s rabid advocates as they demand ever more and ever harsher measures against those who dare to question their ideology and quasi cult like beliefs.
To cap off. Why would anybody in their right mind have any sort of belief in anything that the . Desmogblog promotes and publishes.
“Alexa” as usual tells the real tale and it provides a good indication that if the Guardian writers cannot find a warmista site that gives an honest and realistic appraisal of the global warming / catastrophe belief situation that has more credibility in the eyes of the web reading public then Desmogblog then the warmists are in very deep, deep s**t indeed .
The world Alexa web ratings as of today;[ smaller numbers are higher in the global rankings ]
WUWT = 10,348
GWPF= 79,835
JoNova = 82,735
Climate etc = 85380
Bishop Hill = 87,142
SKEPTICAL SCIENCE = 101,746
NoTricksZone =115,842
DESMOGBLOG = 147,511
The author is a union activist and “progressive” organizer. He has no scientific background and so has, under his own definition, no right to an opinion on climate. It is notable that “progressives”, when not in power, demand tolerance of their views and positions. Yet as predictable as the sunrise, seek to impose censorship the moment they are even close to power.
He is a hypocrite- at best.
Mark Stoval –
“And they never tell you why! The just say “violation of community standards”!”
– That’s if you’re lucky. If you watch the moderation over an extended period you will see they also have a ‘nuke’ option where all trace of the comment is removed and so not even a placeholder to indicate it was ever there or give viewers a grasp of just how much censorship is taking place.
– I just noticed one comment that had received the ‘nuke’ treatment. The poster dared to point out that the use of “de*ier* was in fact a thoroughly nasty ad hom. There’s now no record of his/her comment ever having been there. I really fail to understand how this fits the Guardian’s “moderation” policy.
I read his piece yesterday and pointed out that the Sceptical comments were streaming in and having a field day. Some of the best hitters I have read in a long time. I too wondered whether the censors went AWOL. This really is not like the Guardian, they are letting their ‘standards’ slip. 😉
Expect mass deletions and bans ASAP.
Do check out the ever active sceptic Fernando Leanme on the Guardian. He is a persistent pain in their neck, he survives banning by being very polite. I cannot do this.
Jimbo – did you notice you’ve been singled out on one thread as being part of some “conspiracy”?
Patrick Hrushowy says:
January 4, 2014 at 10:36 pm
“… I am reminded of the Blorg of Star Trek fame…”
It was the Borg.
Very appropriate when dealing with the BBC, Guardian, Independent, etc… “Resistance is futile.”
truly amazing!
5 Jan: JoanneNova: Michael Asten’s novel idea – think first, spend later?
It’s amazing what sensible things turn up in the holiday period. The Australian not only published Maurice Newman skeptical discussion: “climate madness, dishonesty and fraud”, but two days later they published a scientist talking about natural cycles. The scandal! He’s introduced a new term into the debate: …”residual” anthropogenic driven climate change. Instead of CAGW*, we have RAGW. It’s a term that I could grow to like.
Michael Asten, professor of geophysics at Monash University, is suggesting the Australian government’s “Direct Action Scheme” ought to start with science. (How radical.) Before we spend $5 billion we ought to spend a small part of that on looking at whether we need to spend the rest of it. It’s a starkly obvious point, but almost never said. More than anything, both the environment and the people of Australia need some action, and it starts with reviewing the research…
http://joannenova.com.au/2014/01/michael-astens-novel-idea-lets-put-science-into-climate-policy/
Sasha says:
January 5, 2014 at 5:22 am
Patrick Hrushowy says:
January 4, 2014 at 10:36 pm
“… I am reminded of the Blorg of Star Trek fame…”
It was the Borg.
Very appropriate when dealing with the BBC, Guardian, Independent, etc… “Resistance is futile.”
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Actually Patrick may have just coined a great new word. “The Blorg” = bloggers with no original thought, who mindlessly repeat talking points to infect/assimilate more bloggers, who mindlessly repeat talking points, etc., etc.
The hypocrisy is high at the Guardian.
In 2009, about a month or two before the release of the climate-gate emails, the Guardian complained about a legal injunction from a commodities trader forbidding them to report on a question raised in Parliament. The source of the story was, wait for it, based on internal documents and emails.
The Guardian is also not embarrassed by off-shoring itself to the Cayman Islands to avoid capital gains tax in the UK after running stories about the tax avoidance of Barclays bank.
The same Guardian brought you the attempt to discourage voters in Clark County Ohio from voting for George W. Bush, a campaign that backfired spectacularly.
And then there’s the Guardian global-warming representation on a certain well known ship, currently trapped in Antarctic sea-ice…..
ANH says: @ur momisugly January 5, 2014 at 12:43 am
I see the Tom Harris comment to the Guardian piece (shown above) is not there now. In fact there is a big time gap in the comments between 1.13 am and 4.00 am on 5th Jan.
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Sounds like the Guardian Censor did not get in until the morning shift and just deleted the whole block of comments. It looks funny if you leave in the Warmist responses to a Den!ers comment now doesn’t it? Can’t make the censorship too blatant or you might wake up a few of the useful idiots.
ROM says: @ur momisugly January 5, 2014 at 4:31 am
One of the most interesting attitudes of the alarmists…
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It is based on their philosophy that “reality” is not “real” SEE: The Hegelian Basis for a much better explanation.
The Guardian’s circulation continues down the toilet.
The basic idea is “We the Guardian know the truth best”. What gives their opinion an absolute weight? Of course – the 97% consensus. (Never mind that it is a consensus of 75 out of 77 hand-picked respondents, or whatever the number happens to be).
Back to Middle Ages! At Galileo’s time the consensus was that everything revolves around the Earth. The Guardian takes the position of the Great Inquisitor.
Their comment section was painful to parse through.
The cacophony of zealots claiming that of “deniers” as being Big Oil, Republican, or 6,000 year flat-earthers, reminds me a lot about the claim of Somalia being a Libertarian utopia — or how humans are incapable of laying down asphalt and flattening it without the government’s benevolence (and your money).
I really appreciate the work being done here. Life has progressively been getting much too expensive and these people are
askingforcing everybody to sacrifice for their benefit. Too see the poor, who are the most affected, try to afford heat, fuel, and food with these carbon tax and trading schemes is disturbing, to say the least — and let’s not get started on the disastrous economics going on.I just want to know how all this anthropogenic activity has completely suppressed all natural climate change!
I mean, is man totally rad or what?
/peace
Curious George says:
January 5, 2014 at 8:27 am
Yet their real function was “Great Imposter”.
Like now.
DJ says:
January 5, 2014 at 8:55 am
Why not?
The world is currently $171 Trillion in debt–taking all CURRENT personal and government indebtedness, which is 3-4 times world-wide GDP.
No problem there, right?
/sigh
Maybe they get mad when you spoof them with stuff like this ;>)
lorne50
Red Deer Alberta Canada
January 5, 2014
Yes I really don’t know what is up with deniers they don’t believe in the loc ness monster or the moon landings or that 9-11 happened and don’t get me started on GMO’s or vaccine’s and really why would anyone be a denier of big foot ?
Sorry about the D-word mods but it was a fast track to get that published on that site where it was hard to hold down my breakfast . you put that word in your post and it goes straight through ;>)