Monckton: Of meteorology and morality

By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley

To those of us who have dared to question on scientific and economic grounds the official story on global warming, it is a continuing surprise that there is so little concern about whether or not that story is objectively true among the many who have swallowed it hook, Party Line and sinker.

For the true-believers, the Party Line is socially convenient, politically expedient, and financially profitable. Above all, it is the Party Line. For those who think as herds or hives, it is safe. It is a grimy security blanket. It is the dismal safety in numbers that is the hallmark of the unreasoning mob.

But is it true? The herd and the hive do not care. Or, rather, they do care. They care very much if anyone dares to ask the question “But is it true?” They are offended, shocked, outraged. They vent their venom and their spleen and their fury on those of us who ask, however politely, “But is it true?”

Their reaction is scarcely distinguishable from the behavior of the adherents of some primitive superstitious cult on learning that someone has questioned some egregiously, self-evidently barmy aspect of the dogma that the high priests have handed down.

They have gotten religion, but they call it science. They have gotten religion, but they do not know they have gotten religion. They have gotten religion, but they have not gotten the point of religion, which, like the point of science, is objective truth.

The question arises: can science function properly or at all in the absence of true religion and of its insistence upon morality? For science, in searching for the truth, is pursuing what is – or very much ought to be – a profoundly moral quest.

Yet what if a handful of bad scientists wilfully tamper with data, fabricate results, and demand assent to assertions for which there is no real scientific justification? And what if the vast majority of their colleagues cravenly look the other way and do nothing about their bent colleagues? What you get is the global warming scare.

As every theologian knows, the simplest and usually the clearest of all tests for the presence of a moral sense is whether or not the truth is being told. The true-believers in the New Superstition are not telling the truth. On any objective test, they are lying, and are profiteering by lying, and are doing so at your expense and mine, and are bidding fair to bring down the Age of Enlightenment and Reason, flinging us back into the dumb, inspissate cheerlessness of a new Dark Age.

Nothing is done about the many lies, of course, because the many lies are the Party Line, and no one ever went to jail who safely parroted the Party Line.

“The Science Is Settled! There’s A Consensus! A 97.1% Consensus! Doubters Are As Bad As Holocaust Deniers! Global Temperature Is Rising Dangerously! It Is Warmer Now Than For 1400 Years! Well, 400 Years, Anyway! Tree-Rings Reliably Tell Us So! The Rate Of Global Warming Is Getting Ever Faster! Global Warming Caused Superstorm Sandy! And Typhoon Haiyan! And 1000 Other Disasters! Arctic Sea Ice Will All Be Gone By 2013! OK, By 2015! Or Maybe 2030! Santa Claus Will Have Nowhere To Live! Cuddly Polar Bears Are Facing Extinction! Starving Polar Bears Will Start Eating Penguins! Himalayan Glaciers Will All Melt By 2035! Er, Make That 2350! Millions Of Species Will Become Extinct! Well, Dozens, Anyway! Sea Level Is Rising Dangerously! It Will Rise 3 Feet! No, 20 Feet! No, 246 Feet! There Will Be 50 Million Climate Refugees From Rising Seas By 2010! OK, Make That 2020! The Oceans Will Acidify! Corals Will Die! Global Warming Kills! There Is A One In Ten Chance Global Warming Will End The World By 2100! We Know What We’re Talking About! We Know Best! We Are The Experts! You Can Trust Us! Our Computer Models Are Correct! The Science Is Settled! There’s A Consensus!”

And so, round and round, ad nauseam, ad ignorantiam, ad infinitum.

Every one of those exclamatory, declamatory statements about the climate is in substance untrue. Most were first uttered by scientists working for once-respected universities and government bodies. For instance, the notion that there is a 1 in 10 chance the world will end by 2100 is the fundamentally fatuous assumption in Lord Stern’s 2006 report on climate economics, written by a team at the U.K. Treasury for the then Socialist Government, which got the answer it wanted but did not get the truth, for it did not want the truth.

Previously, you could count on getting nothing but the truth from the men in white coats with leaky Biros in the front pocket. Now, particularly if the subject is global warming, you can count on getting little but profitable nonsense from your friendly local university science lab. They make the profits: you get the nonsense.

The central reason why what Professor Niklas Mörner has called “the greatest lie ever told” is damaging to civilization arises not from the staggering cost, soon to be $1 billion a day worldwide. Not from the direct threat to the West posed by the avowedly anti-democratic, anti-libertarian policies of the UN, the IPCC, and the costly alphabet-soup of unelected busybody agencies of predatory government that live off the taxpayer’s involuntary generosity. Not from the dire environmental damage caused by windmills and other equally medieval measures intended to make non-existent global warming go away.

The damage caused by the Great Lie arises from the fact that just about the entire global governing class has found it expedient or convenient or profitable to adopt the Great Lie, to peddle it, to parade it, to parrot it, to pass it on, regardless of whether anything that it says on the subject of the climate has any truth in it whatsoever.

The fundamental principle upon which Aristotle built the art and science of Logic is that every individual truth is consistent with every other individual truth. The truth is a seamless robe. Religion – or at any rate the Catholic presentation to which I inadequately subscribe (practising but not perfect) – is also built upon that fundamental principle of the oneness of all truth.

Science, too – or at any rate the classical scientific method adumbrated by Thales of Miletus and Al-Haytham and brought to fruition by Newton, Huxley, Einstein, and Popper – was also rooted in the understanding that there is only one truth, only one physical law, and that, therefore, every truth unearthed by the diligence of the curious and hard-working empiricist or theoretician must, if it be truly true, be consistent at every point and in every particular with every truth that had ever been discovered before, and with every truth yet to be discovered.

It is in the understanding of that central principle of the remarkable oneness and self-consistency of all truth that men of true religion and of true science ought to have become united. For there is an awesome beauty in the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. As Keats put it, “Beauty is truth, truth beauty – that is all.”

The beauty of the truth is sullied, the seamless robe rent in sunder, if not merely a few individual scientists but the entire classe politique not merely of a single nation but of the planet advantages itself, enriches the already rich and impoverishes the already poor by lying and lying and lying again in the name of Saving The Planet by offering costly and environmentally destructive non-solutions to what is proving to be a non-problem.

The very fabric of the Universe is distorted by so monstrous and so sullenly persistent a lie. Those scientists who have been caught out trampling the truth, and those universities in which it has become near-universally agreed that the best thing to keep the cash flowing is to say nothing about the Great Lie, are by their actions or inactions repudiating the very justification and raison-d’être of science: to seek the truth, to find it, to expound it, to expand it, and so to bring us all closer to answering the greatest of all questions: how came we and all around us to be here?

We who are not only men of science but also men of religion believe that the Answer to that question lay 2000 years ago in a manger in Bethlehem. The very human face of the very Divine was “perfectly God and perfectly Man”, as the Council of Chalcedon beautifully put it.

We cannot prove that a Nazarene made the Universe, or that any Divine agency takes the slightest interest in whether we tell the truth. But, for as long as there is no evidence to the contrary, we are free to believe it. And it is in our freedom to believe that which has not been proven false that the value of true religion to true science may yet come to be discerned. For our religion teaches us that truthfulness is right and wilful falsehood wrong. We cannot prove that that is so, but we believe it nonetheless.

Science, though, is not a matter of belief (unless you belong to Greenpeace or some other Marxist front organization masquerading as an environmental group). It is a matter of disciplined observation, careful theoretical deduction, and cautious expression of results. The true scientist does not say, “I believe”: but he ought, if there is any curiosity and awe in his soul, to say “I wonder …”. Those two words are the foundation of all genuine scientific enquiry.

Yet the global warming scare has shown how very dangerous is science without morality. The scientist, who takes no one’s word for anything (nullius in verba), does not accept a priori that there is any objectively valuable moral code. He does not necessarily consider himself under any moral obligation either to seek the truth or, once he has found it, to speak it.

Science, therefore, in too carelessly or callously rejecting any value in religion and in the great code of morality in which men of religion believe and which at least they try however stumblingly to follow, contains within itself the seeds of its own destruction.

Yea, truth faileth (Isaiah, 59:15). The Great Lie persists precisely because too many of the scientists who utter it no longer live in accordance with the moral yardstick that Christianity once provided, or any moral yardstick, so that they do not consider they have any moral obligation to tell the truth.

That being so, we should no longer consider ourselves as laboring under any obligation, moral or other, to pay any particular heed to scientists seeking to meddle in politics unless and until they have shown themselves once more willing to be what al-Haytham said they should be: seekers after truth.

Two hundred and forty-six feet of sea-level rise, Dr. Hansen? Oh, come off it!

A merry Christmas an’ a roarin’ Hogmanay to one and all.

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December 27, 2013 8:03 am

Warren says
On this basis, the models reproduce the historical trend line in the 20th century.
henry warren, margaret
Warren, it seems to me that you are only interested in lecturing, not in an exchange of information. In this blog we are all pupils and teachers to each other. Did you see that in AR4 2007 the trend on minima was declining, rather than going up, as per the whole AGW theory?
This will be my final attempt to engage with you and if I do not get an intelligent answer I will give up on you.
Historical? It is hysterical. Hysterically tragic, since nobody first studied the natural pattern in the data, in the first place, so they could “exclude” that in their search for man made global warming.
http://blogs.24.com/henryp/2011/08/11/the-greenhouse-effect-and-the-principle-of-re-radiation-11-aug-2011/
I repeat: have made a compilation of the 4 best sets that I believe in and you can also add my own which all show a warming trend from 1979 and a cooling trend from 2001.
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1979/to:2014/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:2001/to:2014/trend/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1979/to:2014/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:2001/to:2014/trend/plot/rss/from:1979/to:2014/plot/rss/from:2001/to:2014/trend/plot/hadsst2gl/from:1979/to:2014/plot/hadsst2gl/from:2001/to:2014/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1979/to:2002/trend/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1979/to:2002/trend/plot/hadsst2gl/from:1979/to:2002/trend/plot/rss/from:1979/to:2002/trend
so we have 5 data sets that all see a global cooling trend from 2001.
here is an additional plot looking at sea surface temperatures only (since a lot of the energy from the sun ends up in the oceans)
Yopu can see that we have reached the top of global warming. From now onward, it will only go down.
Now true enough, only my own data set looks at maxima and minima. This is a failure on the part of all of climate science and I blame them all, not only the people who made the models.
Clearly maxima tells you what trend to expect. I knew that there would be a little time lag of 5-6 years from 1995 before we would see a general cooling trend because looking at maxima is like energy in which is not the same as energy out (means).
But most of all, for those who honestly believe in AGW, is the lack of interest in looking at minimum temperatures. Namely, AGW theory proposes that there is a delay in (radiative) cooling due to more GHG. That means that something changes from inside to outside.That would also mean that we should see an increase in minimum temperatures, pushing up means. That is simply not happening, which you can clearly see from my own data set and which everyone would be able to see if they would just get off their butts and do some work
.http://blogs.24.com/henryp/2013/04/29/the-climate-is-changing/
So, Warren and Margaret, I hope you will finally see how silly you are, quoting the majority who think they know and not listening to those who really know.
Global cooling is coming.
Live with it.
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Warren
December 27, 2013 8:19 am

PJ Clark: With respect to your comment “the models are doing just fine”….Agreed. The arguments against the models are mostly ‘they didn’t reproduce the last 17 years of no temp rise”. You can see my recent response to Dbstealey on that score. A comparison of the various model’s predictions of Atm temp vs time over the 20th century using assumptions of no human caused co2 emissions vs actual human caused CO2 emissions show a clear pattern shape like the hockey stick. The other argument ive seen is that they are simply created by duplicating the past, so they are worthless for the future. ALL physical system models require calibration of its output to the empirical data, and error band estimates. To state that back testing of models shows they are a sham is to be ignorant of how all modeling of complex physical systems is done, and that error band estimates are part of the methodology. I admire you if you can continue a reasoned dialogue on this topic- but don’t count on success in convincing everyone on this website..

Steve Keohane
December 27, 2013 8:33 am

Models do exactly what they are programmed to do, no more no less . Since climate models are produced by the First Church of CO2 Worship, what do you expect the output to be?

Ron Richey
December 27, 2013 8:38 am

Hey Warren…. you’re back.
Sorry about the “boob” comment. I wasn’t name calling, it’s just that I was a boob a lot too when I was young like you – full of vigor, enthusiasm etc.. You know. So I was relating what I thought you were going to go through to what I painfully learned many times long ago.
Anyway, so what’s your educational and work backgriound? I have no advanced science or math skills at all, so I listen a lot more than I talk here. I really enjoy the learning though.
Best,
Ron Richey
PS: Did you read any of those papers everyone submitted for you?

December 27, 2013 8:43 am

I see the trolls are now congratulating each other on the supposed success of the climate models. Well, the monthly Global Warming Prediction Index, reported here every month, shows that since 2005, a period of just on nine years, the modeled central estimate has exceeded observation by more than a fifth of a Celsius degree. The modeled low-end estimate is also above the observed trend at all points.
It must now be gravely doubted whether we shall see even as much as 1 Celsius of global warming this century, let alone the 3 Celsius the mad scientists predict. If the warming is only 1 Celsius or less, then its effects will be net-beneficial, in which event every cent we are now spending on trying to make global warming go away will have been wasted. A more rational approach is needed.

Warren
December 27, 2013 9:08 am

RonRichey: thanks for your comments
I’m 71 years old, have a masters degree in engineering from Cornell university, and spent a large portion of my 45 year career as vp of engineering for a large us corporation.
The last 10 years of my career I was on the board of a Washington, D.C. ClimAte policy organization, representing my industry.
I e been teaching climate science in retirement
I’m traveling right now but if you can wait, I’ll try to answer the rest of your questions later

Mark Bofill
December 27, 2013 9:35 am

“The models are doing just fine”
“The arguments against the models are mostly ‘they didn’t reproduce the last 17 years of no temp rise”.
You guys don’t ask for much from your models, do you. Personally, I prefer that when a model projects a trend, I like for that trend to be reflected in reality. More importantly, when the math is done and we come up with confidence intervals, I really like it when reality stays bracketed nicely inside them.
http://rankexploits.com/musings/2013/ar4-hows-it-going/
I mean, for goodness sakes, what’s the use of paying attention to temperature projections from models that show trends that haven’t actually happened for the last two decades? You guys do realize of course that back in 2000, if I’d claimed that the models weren’t going to have anything to do with observations for decades at a time I’d have been scoffed at, right?
Saying that ‘the models are doing just fine’ is wilful blindness, sorry. Maybe AGW theory is correct, maybe every horrific prediction we’ve ever heard is on it’s way. Maybe climate sensitivity is high after all, and CO2 is the major knob. Maybe, maybe not. But at this point we can be pretty darn sure of at least one thing. The models most certainly are not ‘doing just fine’.

Paul Martin
December 27, 2013 9:35 am

And Christmas-morning bells say ‘Come!’
Even to shining ones who dwell
Safe in the Dorchester Hotel.
And is it true…?

Some of us got the reference.
A belated Happy Christmas from the 102mph gusted NW Wales, having just had our mains power restored.

Babsy
December 27, 2013 9:40 am

Dearest Warren,
Are you a civil, mechanical, electrical. or some other discipline, engineer? If you’re a mechanical engineer I would like to ask you how you and I could set up an experiment in which we measure the temperature of a volume of air in a closed container, then inject CO2 into this closed volume, and measure the rise in temperature. We measure that temperature rise and the science would be settled. What do you say?

December 27, 2013 9:42 am

Warren;
I’m 71 years old, have a masters degree in engineering from Cornell university,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I call bullsh*t. No one with that level of technical training would get so completely over his head on simple matters like comparing model predictions to observational data. Not to mention repeating claims that have already been thoroughly debunked upthread as if they were the start of a brand new conversation and what had already been discussed never existed.
The only way this clown has a masters degree in engineering is if he has completely and totally put it aside in favour of advocacy for personal gain. I note his claim to have been just that, on the board of a Washington DC climate policy organization representing his industry. In other words, a paid lobbyist. What industry do you suppose he represented? My guess would be Big Wind or Big Solar.

A C Osborn
December 27, 2013 9:49 am

Warren says: December 27, 2013 at 9:08 am
RonRichey: thanks for your comments
I’m 71 years old, have a masters degree in engineering from Cornell university, and spent a large portion of my 45 year career as vp of engineering for a large us corporation.
The last 10 years of my career I was on the board of a Washington, D.C. ClimAte policy organization, representing my industry.
Sorry, it’s a nice try but I find it very hard to believe you.
You say you are from my generation and yet you can’t remember the very hot summers of our youth, when the Tar on the roads melted, which it did not do during the 90s and 2000s. (Must be different Tar)?
You can’t remember the very very cold winters and boring cool summers of the 70s when some of those Climate Scientists were talking “Ice Age”?
You can’t remember US Submarines at the actual North Pole in OPEN WATER?
You were not educated about the History of the North West Passage and Vikings in Greenland?
You were not educated about the Medieval Warm Period, which is now clearly shown as World Wide and not just Northern Europe?
You say you are an Engineer and yet you believe the output of Models over actual Data?
So do you actually believe in Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming or like most of the people on this web site in Global Warming/Cooling because we are still Recovering from the Last Major Ice Age and rebounding from the Little Ice Age?

Mark Bofill
December 27, 2013 9:50 am

davidmhoffer says:
December 27, 2013 at 9:42 am
Warren;
I’m 71 years old, have a masters degree in engineering from Cornell university,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I call bullsh*t. No one with that level of technical training would get so completely over his head on simple matters like comparing model predictions to observational data.

While I don’t see much point in calling people liars, I’ll admit I’m wondering along the same lines here.
Look, as an engineer, how can you possibly say that models that project results that differ from observations at a near 2 sigma difference are just fine? Frankly, I wouldn’t dare make an argument like that to my boss. I wouldn’t have the stones. He’d look at me and say, what? Are you drunk or something? Then he’d put me on leave I think.
If you want to argue that the multidecadal trend of the models is right and that natural variability or whatever was underestimated in the models, that’s fine. That still doesn’t mean we can blithely say the models are fine, since they are about to bust out of their confidence intervals. Also, until somebody figures out why the models are off, suggesting that the longer term trend is valid is just a bunch of hand waving.

A C Osborn
December 27, 2013 9:56 am

davidmhoffer says: December 27, 2013 at 9:42 am
You forgot BIG OIL, but there are so many who have jumped on the bad wagon to rob Tax Payers and the 3rd world denizens of their money and life that it could be almost any group.

HarveyS
December 27, 2013 10:02 am

davidmhoffer says:
” I note his claim to have been just that, on the board of a Washington DC climate policy organization representing his industry. In other words, a paid lobbyist. ”
Yep and I did call him out for been a paid troll.
I am still waiting for my money from ‘Big Oil’ or the ‘Koch Bro’s’.
,@PJ Clark,. Sorry as others have pointed out the models are not doing just fine, they are in fact garbage. But then data and facts are not your strong points, there is plenty of data on this site alone that shows why they are not.
In fact you like appeals to authority so much go look Dr Judith Curry’s site she tells the same story. I am damn sure she knows more about climate than you 3 put together.
If you are going to come here and say they are, then point to data/facts that show that they are correct. But don’t come back with just your belief, we know what that is and it proves nothing.

dp
December 27, 2013 10:03 am

Unbelievable – Warren came in here, got into your heads and owned you people and you let him drag the conversation far far away from Monckton’s OP. If this were my blog I’d be strongly tempted to delete the entire conversation save for the OP and start over.
Stop trying to be more right on the internet. There’s no future in it. It’s enough to just be right.

Ron Richey
December 27, 2013 10:09 am

Warren,
Yes, get back to me. Family and business consume most of my time but I’ll check back as often as possible. With your history and experience you should be able to wade right through all those papers submitted to you in this thread.
Drive safe,
Ron Richey

RichardLH
December 27, 2013 10:10 am

Warren says:
December 27, 2013 at 5:25 am
“The trend line dawn through atmospheric temperature data shows continued rise in global temperature into the 21st century.”
So your intellectual position is that a linear trend line (I presume from the context) to be a valid predictor of the future and the past.
And it does not worry you that it also means that the ‘Little Ice Age’ would thus have been the HIGHEST temperatures seen for hundreds of years before the 1800s?
I suppose that continuing the observation back far enough in time to the Romans would mean that Caesar invaded Briton by crossing the ice in the Channel then?
Linear trends are a lie, to yourself and everybody else. Nature is never linear.
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/plot/hadcrut4gl/mean:220/mean:174/mean:144/plot/hadcrut4gl/mean:720

December 27, 2013 10:11 am

Warren is travelling, and don’t expect any sensible answers from him, anyway
I hope he does live in DC, though
Just like new and old England, the climate runs opposite the global wave there
meaning they get a lot more precipitation (during a cooling period)
Just imagine Warren shoving heaps and heaps of snow, even late in Spring…..
LOL

Steve Keohane
December 27, 2013 10:31 am

A C Osborn says: December 27, 2013 at 9:49 am
Warren says: December 27, 2013 at 9:08 am
[…]
Sorry, it’s a nice try but I find it very hard to believe you.
You say you are from my generation and yet you can’t remember the very hot summers of our youth, when the Tar on the roads melted, which it did not do during the 90s and 2000s. (Must be different Tar)?

I concur with your perceptions.
My mother saved the bacon fat in a special container that sat on the kitchen counter from the early 50s to the mid 60s when we lived in northern Indiana and north of Boston. This was used as a cleaner to remove tar from our feet from what melted on the roads, and inevitably came home. Shoes were to be avoided unless school was on or there was snow on the ground. Besides, playing in the melted tar would ruin shoes.

Mark Bofill
December 27, 2013 10:41 am

I get that Warren is traveling, I’ll content myself with this last comment for now. What with the emphasis on peer reviewed material earlier in the thread, I’d like to link this:
Overestimated global warming over the past 20 years(Fyfe, Gillett & Zwiers)
It’s been noted in the literature that the models don’t appear to be on track, for those who care about such things.

December 27, 2013 10:45 am

Monckton of Brenchley writes:
“And it is in our freedom to believe that which has not been proven false that the value of true religion to true science may yet come to be discerned. For our religion teaches us that truthfulness is right and wilful falsehood wrong.”
I don’t see how believing in the unproven can help one discern fact from fiction, if anything the opposite. The deep green smoke signals that emanate from the Vatican mark an ideological shift from the Hell that God made, to the Hell that man made, which is too good to be true as it’s peer reviewed. They swallowed it hook, Party Line and sinker, out of the fire and straight into the frying pan.

December 27, 2013 10:47 am

davidmhoffer responds to “Warren”:
The only way this clown has a masters degree in engineering is if he has completely and totally put it aside in favour of advocacy for personal gain. I note his claim to have been just that, on the board of a Washington DC climate policy organization representing his industry. In other words, a paid lobbyist. What industry do you suppose he represented? My guess would be Big Wind or Big Solar.
That has the ring of truth.
Warren says:
“I’ve been teaching climate science in retirement”
No, Warren. You have been emitting globaloney propaganda. Since you are incapable of posting simple, testable measurements of human emissions on global temperatures, then all you have are your beliefs and your baseless assertions.
Tell us where you will be “teaching” next, Warren, and maybe one of us will grace you with our presence. If it is I, you will be asked the same question about measurements. And if you cannot produce actual, empirical measurements, then your bluff is called — just like it was here.
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Next, PJ Clarke comments:
You can see my recent response to Dbstealey on that score. A comparison of the various model’s predictions of Atm temp vs time over the 20th century using assumptions of no human caused co2 emissions vs actual human caused CO2 emissions show a clear pattern shape like the hockey stick.
Oh, piffle. How many hokey sticks do you want? You can count numerous identical hockey stick shapes here. Your cherry-picking of one short time period is risible. And, as I asked upscreen:
“…why not go on record, Mr PJ Clarke? Are you willing to state, right here and now, that if global warming does not resume by the 21 year mark, that your alarming conjecture has been falsified? That you were, and are, simply wrong in your belief about ‘catastrophic AGW’ [cAGW]? Or is cAGW a religion with you, as many of us suspect?
PJ doesn’t answer. Well then, religion it is with PJ.
One more time: If the believers in cAGW cannot find actual measurements of the supposed ‘human fingerprint’ in global warming, after so many $Billion have been spent looking for it, then the obvious conclusion is this: if AGW exists, it is simply too minuscule to matter. And if that is the case, then society should not waste one more dollar on the bogus cAGW claim.
[Regarding ‘catastrophe’, PJ needs to understand that human activity may indeed produce some minuscule warming. But since ‘AGW’ is too small to measure, it can and should be completely disregarded for all practical purposes. Hardly a “catastrophe” by any definition.]
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Warren continues digging:
” I imagine he don’t even worry that 200 of the Worlds most prominent Scientific Organizations have published positions supporting AGW…”&etc., etc.
Warren me boi, that is nothing but an appeal to authority: a logical fallacy. Just because a hanful of board members invents a position means nothing at all. How do you know they didn’t get some sort of benefit from doing so? T^here is big money supporting the cAGW scare, and there are plenty of people for sale, in may cases for peanuts. Not one of those bought and paid for organizations has polled all of their members, either, nor can any of them produce any measurements of the so-called ‘human fingerprint’ in global warming.
Global warming is natural, as you can see — if you would only open your eyes and look. Click on the link above, and you will see thousands of years of identical global warming episodes. How many ‘hoickey sticks’ can you count? Study up on the climate Null Hypothesis, Warren [if you’re not studyin up on what “AR” means]. You will begin to understand that current observations are no different from past observations. What does that tell you?
For someone who pontificates and asserts, without any supporting scientific measurements, it is clear that Warren doesn’t even know the basics! Warren had to ask about AR [IPCC Assessment Reports]. How lame is that??
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dp says:
“Unbelievable – Warren came in here, got into your heads and owned you people and you let him drag the conversation far far away”
A couple observations, dp: first, it is Warren who got ‘owned’ here. Or didn’t you notice? We’re still waiting for some real world corroboration of his beliefs. And second: some of us like putting people like Warren, Margaret, and PJ in their place. ☺
…oh, and I almost forgot about Margaret Hardman. …heh.

December 27, 2013 10:59 am

From one of Warren’s first comments in this thread:
Warren says:
December 24, 2013 at 7:00 pm
Also, your request for me to provide my scientific reasoning for AGW is welcome, but there’s not time or space on a web forum for anyone to do it justice. There are many excellent science books, but if you want a top notch explanation, I recommend a series of 12 half hour lectures by Physics Professor Wolfson of Middlebury College, published on DVD by the Teaching Company. For $20 you get clear explanations, many good charts, and a small book with recommended reading and references, and summary points

An admitted industry lobbyist promoting a for profit DVD who has demonstrated repeatedly that he cannot grasp the basics of data analysis yet claims to be an engineer.
Oh he’s already shoveling stuff HenryP, but it ain’t snow.

December 27, 2013 11:10 am

LOL.
I couldn’t help myself, I went and found the Teaching Company web site and read the intro to Wolfson’s lecture series. It is nothing but the standard talking points, and can’t even get them right. I could debunk half a dozen claims in the first paragraph, as could anyone with even marginal familiarity with the issues. It is puff piece propaganda from one end to the other.
http://www.thegreatcourses.com/tgc/courses/course_detail.aspx?cid=1219

December 27, 2013 11:27 am

Ulric says
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/24/monckton-of-meteorology-and-morality/#comment-1514788
henry says
Ulric, we have been all through that and we are all agreed here now that it is not possible for something to come forth out of nothing.
Hence, we have to have respect for both the believers and the unbelievers.
It is also important to note my comment here:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/24/monckton-of-meteorology-and-morality/#comment-1513612

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