From CFACT:
Not Welcome: UN climate summit in Poland greeted by 50,000 angry Poles rallying against UN
As more than 50,000 enthusiastic Poles gathered in downtown Warsaw on Monday to celebrate National Independence Day, with millions more watching on live television, CFACT president David Rothbard was invited to the stage to deliver an impassioned address celebrating freedom and warning against the dangerous and oppressive climate agenda of the UN.
See video, CFACT warns 50,000+ against UN climate agenda:
Before what was one of the largest audiences to ever hear a speech denouncing UN global warming policies, Rothbard said he was honored to stand with the Poles in a “new battle for freedom against those who would use environmental and climate alarmism to steal away our liberties and give international bureaucrats control over our energy sources, our daily lives, our prosperity, and our national sovereignty.”
The address was carried live on national television and covered by a large number of international media outlets. It took place just as the UN was kicking off its COP19 climate conference a few kilometers away.
Rothbard noted that at last year’s COP meeting, UN climate chief Christiana Figueres said that what the UN was undertaking is “a complete economic transformation of the world.”
“This is not good news for those who love freedom, and it is not good news for Poland,” Rothbard asserted.
“Standing next to a CFACT banner that read “No to UN Climate Hype” in Polish and surrounded by throngs who wore CFACT stickers bearing the same message in Poland’s distinctive red and white, the crowd gave hearty consent to Rothbard’s message.
He also quoted from the Book of Proverbs that “the wicked flee when no one pursues, but the righteous are bold as a lion,” noting that “the environmentalists and the bureaucrats don’t want to debate these issues because they know they are deceiving the world.”
“There hasn’t been any global warming in more than 15 years,” he noted, “and this is simply an excuse for more government oppression.”
“We stand for freedom. We stand for opportunity. We stand for our families. And we stand for a strong and prosperous future. Together let us be bold as a lion,” he concluded.
The rally took place one day after CFACT keynoted a climate policy conference in Warsaw co-sponsored by Solidarity, the Institute for Globalization, and other Polish and European NGOs. There, members of the European Parliament, along with representatives from the U.S., Italy, Sweden, Hungary, and Poland formally signed the “Warsaw Declaration” calling on the UN to discontinue work on a new treaty until a genuine “scientific consensus is reached on the phenomenon of so-called global warming.”
The UN made a big mistake choosing Poland to host its global warming treaty summit. The Poles see right through warming propaganda. Enduring generations of socialism has left them with a deep distaste for propaganda and bureaucratic control. Polish prosperity was blocked first by war and then by ideology. Poland deserves freedom and prosperity and knows it can’t move forward without energy. The brave Poles are not about to cede their sovereignty to UN control.
Polish feelings about the UN climate treaty echo what Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher told the Soviet Union. “Let Poland be Poland!”
CFACT, which has been an officially recognized NGO at UN conferences for nearly two decades, will be in Warsaw throughout the two weeks of COP 19. Its delegation will be headlined by Apollo VII astronaut Col. Walter Cunningham who is highly critical of UN climate science.
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Tomasz Kornaszewski,
Your explanation of the situation is helpful in gaining perspective. Thank you.
John
Inspiring stuff. The Eastern Europe lived with tyranny, it’s fresh in their memories. They know it when they see it.
Actually, I just watched the video and most of the people in the crowd seemed somewhat bemused. Was this just a rally about climate change or something that had a range of speakers speaking about different topics.
How the international socialists would love, after the collapse of the previous version, to be able to annouce a new Warsaw Pact…
“Pethefin says:
November 12, 2013 at 10:07 pm”
Despite what is being said by the newly open for business Govn’t and in the media (At least 4 articles per day related to climate change/action in the Aussie MSM, it’s ridiculous!) there are those in the current cabinet that actually support some sort of tax/ETS to “fight” climate change. Malcolm Turnbull is an ex-banker and a firm supporter of an ETS. Turnbull was the LNP leader, Abbott better be careful as his leadership might be challenged, it’s not beyond the realms of possibility (Rudd, Gillard, Rudd). Greg Hunt In 1990 co-authored a university thesis entitled “A Tax to Make the Polluter Pay”. The rot is still there in the Aussie Govn’t. I will believe it when I see the carcass of the carbon tax burning on the steps of Gillards’ AU$2mil sea front luxury property!
Tomasz Kornaszewski says:
November 13, 2013 at 12:30 am
“A lot of Poles are aware of problem and try to fight against all this AGW. propaganda.”
Very glad to hear that. My fellow Germans are apathetic to delusional. As usual, “but we must DO something”, swallow every bit of propaganda fed to them by the state media EVEN after I point them to WUWT resource pages et al. They just won’t listen to me it’s funny.
This has not always been so but the current generation is brainwashed to the max.
I’m sorry but one anti- UN speech at a National Day march does not constitute :
“Not Welcome: UN climate summit in Poland greeted by 50,000 angry Poles rallying against UN”
The Polish people are not going to whoop and high-five, they are a bit more reserved.
I’m pleased they have heard what was said, they’ll no doubt take it on board – if anyone remembers what it was like to live under tyranny and thought control dictats – they will.
Representatives from Sweden!? (I doubt it)
Anybody knows their names and what the represent?
eo says:
November 12, 2013 at 10:56 pm
albertalad says:
November 12, 2013 at 4:53 pm
eo says: I’d like to see Obama trying to pass that crap through the Republican controlled house. Not gonna happen in your Obama lifetime after he messed up their health care so badly. And only congress can ratify treaties, period!
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Doesn’t matter the USA already ratified a treaty on CAGW.
UNFCCC is the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change USA ratifed this treaty on March 21 1994 per the United Nations
http://unfccc.int/essential_background/convention/status_of_ratification/items/2631.php
This is the broad framework treaty. The Kyoto Protocol is part of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change and was signed but was not ratified by the USA. (again per UN)
UNFCCC is what Obama and the EPA are using to justify their actions but they hide behind ‘The Science’ because the public would not be happy if they figured out the steep increase in fuel cost is based on a treaty and not science. Especially since the treaty has no specific set targets or methods of enforcement.
First steps to a safer future: Introducing The United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change: http://unfccc.int/essential_background/convention/items/6036.php
Background on the UNFCCC: The international response to climate change
http://unfccc.int/essential_background/items/6031.php
In 1992, countries joined an international treaty, the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change, to cooperatively consider what they could do to limit average global temperature increases and the resulting climate change, and to cope with whatever impacts were, by then, inevitable.
By 1995, countries realized that emission reductions provisions in the Convention were inadequate. They launched negotiations to strengthen the global response to climate change, and, two years later, adopted the Kyoto Protocol. The Kyoto Protocol legally binds developed countries to emission reduction targets. The Protocol’s first commitment period started in 2008 and ended in 2012. The second commitment period began on 1 January 2013 and will end in 2020….
Climate change is a complex problem, which, although environmental in nature, has consequences for all spheres of existence on our planet. It either impacts on– or is impacted by– global issues, including poverty, economic development, population growth, sustainable development and resource management. It is not surprising, then, that solutions come from all disciplines and fields of research and development….
Also from UNFCCC see Introduction: Overview of institutions, mechanisms and arrangements under the Convention: http://unfccc.int/focus/overview/items/7756.php
As was seen with the World Trade Organization treaty, once signed the goals of the organization created by the treaty are treated as the word from God no matter what is actually in the treaty or what the US law on treaties is. The Admin treats the treaty as a get out of Jail, free pass around Congress. The Admin uses it to justify implementing what the UN wants without any law making by Congress and the Supreme Court gives it a free pass.
Here is a recent example of that sleight of hand played by the US Admin. under Clinton and under Bush. The Bushes and Clinton wanted the WTO. Daddy Bush started the ratification process and Clinton finished it.
From the Chinese. (Why are the Russians and the Chinese now our source for information?)
“The Application of WTO Law in China (Jiangyu Wang)
http://www.eastlaw.net/research/wto/wto2b.htm
…First of all, according to relevant U.S. statues, trade treaties are not self-executing. Secondly, they could even not apply the later-in-time rule.
In the first place, status of trade agreements in U.S. law is governed by the Trade Agreements Act of 1979 (hereinafter the 1979 Act). In the Act, Congress made clear that any provision of the Tokyo Round agreements negotiated under the GATT framework would not prevail over a U.S. statute, regardless of when the statue was enacted. Clearly, this was not consistent with the later-in-time-prevail rule. In addition, the same Act precluded any private right of action or remedy based on the agreements, unless otherwise provided by U.S. law…
…the U.S. Congress adopted the Uruguay Round Agreement Act of 1994 (URAA) to define the limits of legal effects of the GATT/WTO agreements in U.S. legal order. A brief of the URAA is that it prevents terms of the GATT/WTO that conflict with existing federal law from having domestic effects, and allows for continued ability of the United States to take unilateral actions pose for the WTO. This aim can be well evidenced by the legislative history of the URAA. During the debate on approving the WTO Agreement, the prevailing view was that the multinational pact was not in conflict with U.S. sovereignty generally for two reasons: first, Congress is ultimately responsible for changing the laws of the United States; and second, the U.S. is entitled to withdraw from the WTO if it feels that the DSB abused its power. These arguments were vehemently endorsed by Clinton Administration officials who were eager to get the agreement passed Congress. Mickey Kantor, U.S. Trade Representatives, stated emphatically that “[n]o ruling by any dispute panel … can force us to change any federal, state or local law or regulation. Not the city council of Los Angeles, nor the Senate of the United States can be bound by these dispute settlement rulings.” His assistant, Deputy USTR Rufus Yerxa reiterated that “a WTO dispute settlement panel recommendation does not automatically change U.S. law. It has not self-executing effect …. Only Congress can change that law to implement a panel recommendation.”
But the language of the URAA is even clearer. The features of the URAA are described as follows:
United States Law to Prevail in Conflict The URAA puts U.S. sovereignty and U.S. law under perfect protection….
Subsequent international trade treaties the U.S. concluded continued the opposition to trade treaty priority.
That seems pretty darn clear but it seems the FDA and USDA never got the Memo.
From FDA website (2008? It has since been revised a few times, final updated: http://www.fda.gov/InternationalPrograms/ )
Original: http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~comm/int-laws.html
“The harmonization of laws, regulations and standards between and among trading partners requires intense, complex, time-consuming negotiations by CFSAN officials. Harmonization must simultaneously facilitate international trade and promote mutual understanding, while protecting national interests and establish a basis to resolve food issues on sound scientific evidence in an objective atmosphere. Failure to reach a consistent, harmonized set of laws, regulations and standards within the freetrade agreements and the World Trade Organization Agreements can result in considerable economic repercussions.”
We are seeing the same sort of sleight of hand with CAGW. The treaty the USA signed in 1994 (same time period as NAFTA and WTO) is being treated by the government as defacto US Law.
This is why we have Obama’s War on Coal with the EPA and the Supreme Court backing him up. We signed a treaty and no one wants to admit that they are treating that treaty as being above the US Constitution so they use ‘The Science’ as a red herring to avoid the confrontation.
Above post on WTO is referring to a post on UNFCCC. That is the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change that was ratified by the USA on March 21 1994 per the United Nations
http://unfccc.int/essential_background/convention/status_of_ratification/items/2631.php
(First post is still in moderation)
I think it’s been stated but the headline of this article is misleading. Please don’t become anything like the W**ther Ch*nnel in this regard.
As Zeke and others have pointed out, the article is very clear about CFACT’s role in the rally. We were invited to speak on their Polish Independence Day (which says a lot, since we are foreigners!) about climate change and the UN treaty threat because it is an issue that matters to them.
One thing I want to address is the crowd’s response, which was actually quite warm despite how it looks in the video (temps were in the low 40s Fahrenheit that day). There was applause, as much as or more as was received by the other speakers. We cut to the Polish national anthem for technical reasons: David was lapel-mic’ed & started talking pretty soon after he finished, and we didn’t have a secondary mic collecting background, unfortunately. But it’s definitely there.
In any case, a big thank you to Anthony for sharing this. Thank you to the WUWT community for the compliments as well as the skepticism! We would be very remiss in criticizing the UN for not accepting healthy skepticism if we were not receptive of it ourselves.
50,000 angry Poles ralllying against the UN? Hmmm, I don’t see any angry Poles, only bemused/slightly indifferent people standing around. It looks like a bunch of people out for an Independence Day event, which probably had speakers on a number of different topics. Some topics grabbed their interest, others not so much.
And as to the above comments that the Poles were acting very reserved due to their experiences during the Communist era, that sure didn’t stop them from attacking the Russian embassy in Warsaw yesterday: http://blogs.wsj.com/emergingeurope/2013/11/12/russia-demands-apology-after-polish-riot/ So perhaps they just weren’t as interested in the CFACT talk as the above summary implies.
The angry Poles have also been hosting some seriously serious military exercises of late. Say aren’t they one of the countries that is considered “a screw driver turn away” from being nuclear armed?
@ur momisugly A. D. Everard — You are welcome. My pleasure. Thanks, so much, for telling me. Great to see that someone read and comprehended the meaning of my posts — it is obvious from several of the comments above that MANY people either did not read mine nor several others’ posts (hm… perhaps, they didn’t understand what we wrote?? I doubt it).
They “murder {the joy possible at this news} to dissect.”
Rejoice, Eeyores! No? I wonder what WILL you rejoice at?
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Tomasz Kornaszewski says:
November 13, 2013 at 12:30 am
Thank you for sharing. Very helpful.
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Thanks for sharing about your parents, John Whitman. What a wonderful story. Thanks for the reminder that true and enduring love does happen.
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Thanks, Gail Combs for generously sharing all your research with us. While it does not change your underlying message, re: the 1994 treaty I would like to clarify that while, yes, Bill Clinton signed it, the U. S. Senate (yes, e0, only they, not Congress as a whole ratify treaties) has never ratified that document. Clinton got the political capital, but it is a worthless (except as a ruse which, of course, Dopebama and the Gang of Thugs would readily try to use) piece of paper at the moment. The U. S. Supreme Court would, if the matter were before them, hold that any actions taken under the “authority” of that treaty were ultra vires and, thus, void.
Also, even though the Senate is currently infested with socialists (a.k.a. “Democrats”) and Republicans-in-name-only, there are enough that would vote “Nay” that it is unlikely the Envirostalinists can get it ratified any time soon.
Thus, yes, practically, we have an administration that is ignoring constitutional law, but, ultimately, they still CAN be challenged and stopped.
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Don’t give up, dear, discouraged, Eeyores above:
TRUTH IS WINNING!
omnologos= a CAGW troll. An idiot with 2 t’s!:]
Despite the sentiment, the russians and evironmentalist have been pretty successful in hamstringing Polands frac’ing development.
Gail Coombs:
Yes the US has ratified the UNFCCC that is why is always part of the COP. The Protocol is the implementation mechanism of the convention. The UNFCCC is just a broad framework of principles and concept. Without the protocol, the convention is an abstract document. Some countries do ratify the convention so they could always look after their interest during the COP and never ratify the protocol. Those countries like the US do keep a strong program aligned with the convention so that they could be seen as having good intention even if they have not ratified the protocol. US is doing this on UNFCCC. by the way US have signed the Kyoto Protocol but has not ratified it.
the article wrong – 50k poles were NOT protesting GWCC. I found a very informative on the context of this rally. It was coincident with a nationalist rally. Here it is in total since I do nt know how to link to it
“I am polish by birth. While I was not there (I live in the US), I speak the language fluently and thus can read polish newspapers, left wing and right wing, as they are now available online. I do visit as well.
These people are nationalists, demonstrating yearly on the anniversary of re-creation of independent polish state in 1918, following ~150 years of partition. The independence day is celebrated yearly on November 11. They tend to believe that Poland was once again “sold out” to foreign interests and is losing it’s independence. There is a religious angle to the movement, and unfortunately a fair dose of anti-Semitism as well. If you want to look for their analogue in the US, Alex Jones would come the closest (minus anti-Semitism). The movement is opportunistically embraced by right wing politicians who lost power few years ago to pro-EU parties. Their demonstrations have been progressively turning more disruptive and violent over the last few years.
I think it is fair to say that extreme nationalists represent a fairly small minority in Poland. Having said this, many people in Poland do not care for global warming. You can see it in mostly hostile comments to articles about the UN summit, even in left wing newspapers. Poland is naturally opposed to these policies because of abundant coal deposits which still provide most of energy generation. The opposition is shared by right wing and left wing parties. All of this being the case, 50,000 were not demonstrating against UN global warming summit in Warsaw. The summit and demonstrations were coincidental (whomever scheduled the UN summit on this date in Warsaw is a complete moron).”
idic5 is mostly right about it but there is one mistake in his thinking. Independence March (Marsz Niepodległości) gathered from normal poeple to some extremist individuals (and yes they love to fight – they are mostly football hooligans). Main reason that so many poeple joined the March was that they are tired of liberal propaganda (most of media in Poland is leftist – liberal), political correctness – “Toleration Dictatorship” as some call it, mostly about tolerating Islam invasion in Europe and “homo-propaganda” as we call it. Independence March in Poland is under heavy fire from media and politics (those left – central winged of course) they call us nazis, fascists, bandits ect but as i said, most of us are just normal people with strong patriotic feeling.
True face of this demonstration.
Most of us are aware about this whole climate scam but it’s not our primary concern now.
Sorry for errors in my bad english.
David G says:
November 13, 2013 at 12:09 pm
omnologos= a CAGW troll. An idiot with 2 t’s!:]
Who cares? What he brought up happened to have merit and Anthony edited the title, and good for him. It’s relatively trivial but it’s good to strive for accuracy, no matter the messenger. (And for the record, just because one disagrees does not automatically make one an idiot.)
From Janice Moore & Gail Combs’ posts:
“…1994 treaty I would like to clarify that while, yes, Bill Clinton signed it, the U. S. Senate (yes, e0, only they, not Congress as a whole ratify treaties) has never ratified that document…”
I think this is all about agenda 21 which nobody has mentioned. I think Rosa Koire nails it here. (it’s a long video, but entertaining and informative) It’s n funny too…I think the best Rosa video I’ve seen:
As usual, I’m a little late …
I’m from the northern Polish (near Szczecin). So I am not (in any way) professionally connected with the coal industry (southern Polish).
Polish post-communist liberal-leftist journalists (as well as West European) demonstration presented solely through the prism of the Russian embassy and burn the rainbow, and there is a small margin for the whole …
1989 – West European journalists see here (in most cases) as those who began the destruction of communism: Gorbachev, Czechs, East Germans, Hungarians … and usually nothing more.
Well, Western Europe (France, England) will not remember what she did (or rather did not do) in 1939 and 1945 …
And in Poland is 38 millions citizens …
P.S. Always makes me laugh, when the BBC often forget about the big participation of Polish pilots in the Battle of Britain and the Polish soldiers in the defense of Tobruk …
I am a members of one of governing party (PSL) and Solidarity. Our views on the “fight” against global warming, however, is almost identical (especially in the economy) as the nationalist movement: never not agree to the climate package, which is currently proposed by the EU (always apply the veto). This will destroy the competitiveness of our economy.
For example, never agree to it would just destroyed the economy – as in Germany. We are not a rich country. For our government was impressed (from this year) this article from Der Spiegel (http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/germany-addresses-problems-with-renewable-energy-subsidy-system-a-852549.html). Especially these parts:
“At issue is the German Renewable Energy Act, which requires power companies to buy wind and solar energy from producers at fixed prices, which are much higher than electricity produced by traditional methods such as coal- and natural gas-fired power plants. At the same time, power-hungry industries receive generous subsidies – the country’s largest industrial consumers use some 18 percent of the electricity produced but pay only 0.3 percent of the extra costs generated by the mandated feed-in tariffs. German consumers have to COUGH UP the difference.”
“ … – particularly the offshore windparks being built in the Baltic Sea and the North Sea off the country’s north coast. Many of those projects are at A STANDSTILL, WITH NO WAY TO DELIVER THE POWER …” “…but again it will be German consumers who will ultimately suffer.”
Therefore, in Poland – currently – significantly reduced subsidies for wind farms …