Dodgy statistics and IPCC Assessment Reports

Guest essay by Christopher Monckton of Brenchley

In the 19th century, British Prime Ministers used to say there were “lies, damned lies, and statistics”. In the 21st century, we may say there are frauds, serious frauds, and IPCC Assessment Reports.

Recall, for instance, the notorious graph in the Fourth Assessment Report that falsely indicated that the rate of global warming is accelerating and we are to blame. Using the same statistical dodge, one can show that a sine-wave has a rising trend.

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In the Fifth Assessment Report, the IPCC still cannot bring itself to behave. My expert review of an earlier draft of that report opened with these words:

“To restore some link between IPCC reports and observed reality, the report must address – but does not at present address – the now-pressing question why the key prediction of warming in earlier IPCC reports have proven to be significant exaggerations. The IPCC’s credibility has already been damaged by its premature adoption and subsequent hasty abandonment of the now-discredited “hockey-stick” graph as its logo; by its rewriting its Second Assessment Report after submission of the scientists’ final draft, to state the opposite of their finding that no discernible human influence on climate is detectable; by its declaration that all Himalayan ice would be gone in 25 years; and by its use of a dishonest statistical technique in 2007 falsely to suggest that the rate of global warming is accelerating. But the central damage to its credibility arises from the absence of anything like the warming it had predicted.”

The IPCC have indeed addressed The Pause. But they have addressed it by using statistical prestidigitation to air-brush it out. As Bob Tisdale has pointed out, the very first graphs the reader of the Summary for Policymakers will see are in Figure SPM.1, which consists of three panels. Each of these panels exploits bogus statistical techniques to vanish the pause.

Here is what They did and how They did it.

The first of the three panels shows the global instrumental surface temperature record since 1850:

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And what is wrong with that? It looks innocuous enough, but a mathematician would take one look at it and sniff. He would see two things obviously wrong with drawing any conclusion about dangerously-rising 20th-century temperatures from this graph.

First, there is the aspect-ratio dodge. For the x axis is in years and the y axis is in Celsius degrees of temperature change. One can choose any aspect ratio one wants. To make 20th-century global warming look worse, just stretch the graph northwards.

Not all climate extremists know that. In a debate with me on Roy Green’s radio show in Canada a few years ago, one of the pointy-heads at TheSmugBlog asked the audience, with that earnest desperation in his voice that is mandatory, “But don’t you see how serious it is that global temperatures are rising at an angle of 45 degrees?”

I had to explain to the poor sap, as gently as I could, that degrees of arc and degrees of temperature change are clean different things.

But it is Dick Lindzen, whose vast experience and profound knowledge allows him to put the climate scare into perspective as no other can, who has best illustrated the insignificance of 20th-century global warming.

His local paper, the Boston Globe, prints the previous month’s temperature movements in the city. He has superimposed on that record an orange band that shows the entire warming of 0.75 Cº over the 20th century.

Even allowing for the fact that a global annual average will change less than a regional monthly one, it is difficult to look at Dick Lindzen’s orange band and draw the conclusion that 20th century global warming was alarmingly beyond the bounds of natural variability.

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The second statistical dodge in the IPCC’s first panel is the error-bars dodge. If you look carefully at the error-bars in the IPCC’s graph, you will see that they are absent. Let us remedy that absence:

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Even today, the combined measurement, coverage, and bias uncertainties in the global terrestrial data are ±0.15 Cº. The uncertainties were far larger in the 19th century. Notice also how much less drastic and exciting the graph looks once the 2 σ uncertainty bounds are plotted.

There is a third dodge that is not directly evident from looking at the graph itself. All around the world the record-keepers have been rewriting the temperatures in the early 20th century to push them downward, so as to make the rate of warming over the century seem a great deal steeper than it was. Here, for instance, is New Zealand:

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And Darwin Airport, Australia:

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And the U.S. Historical Climate Network, before and after adjustment (this example and the next two are thanks to the vigilant Steven Goddard):

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And the GISS record at Reykjavik, Iceland, before (left) and after adjustment (right):

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And Santa Rosa, CA, this time with the trend-line added:

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The effect of all these tamperings is to make it look as though there was more global warming in the 20th century than there was. Fortunately, there is not so much scope for the compilers of the terrestrial temperature records to tamper with what has happened since 1979, because the watching satellites now provide an independent record of global temperature change.

So to the second of the three mendacious panels in Figure SPM.1:

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This graph is an illustration of a meme that has become a favorite with the apologists for Apocalypse: the most recent decade was warmer than earlier decades, so global warming is still getting worse (for the theology of the New Religion, standing common sense on its head, is that warmer weather is worse than cooler).

The priceless advantage of taking decadal averages, if one wants to magic the Pause away, is that it wipes out the entire trend of the most recent decade. One can dock off a further two years if, as here, one uses the decades 1991-2000, 2001-2010 etc. rather than 1993-2002, 2003-2012 etc. Finally, using decades docks off all the months of the current year. So this statistical dodge neatly erases the past 12 years 8 months of the Pause.

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And, by what is perhaps more than a coincidence, the length of the Pause, taken as the longest period exhibiting a zero least-squares linear-regression trend on the mean of the monthly global mean surface temperature anomalies on the three terrestrial datasets, is – er – precisely 12 years 8 months.

There is another and more subtle dodge here. As we saw in the earlier graph of the uncertainties in the HadCRUt4 global temperature dataset, the error bars narrow toward the present. The way the IPCC has presented the decadal blocks on the graph exploits this to make it seem that the blocks in the 1970s, 80s, 90s, and noughties are much further apart than those in the 1910s, 20s, 30s, and 40s, implying without quite saying so that the rate of warming over the four most recent decades on the graph was significantly greater than the warming earlier in the 20th century.

Dick Lindzen, however, uses a graph that shows how little difference there is between the earlier and later periods of warming, even though it was only in the later period that we could have exercised much influence.

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One panel shows the global temperature anomalies from 1895-1946. The other shows the anomalies from 1957-2008. Both cover 52 years. Both are plotted to an identical scale. Dick Lindzen asks his audiences whether they can tell which panel covers which period. It is not at all easy to tell.

Which brings us to the third panel. Here, the dodge is one of the newest in the arsenal of statistical shiftinesses on which the IPCC draws with such disfiguring frequency and relish. It is the use of colors, and bright ones at that, to try to suggest that the mild and beneficial global warming of the 20th century was grievous and alarmingly damaging.

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And here the IPCC will find that it has made a mistake. Previously it has chiefly used bright colors in the red scale to indicate predictions of future planetary overheating. However, most people, on looking about them, will see remarkably little change as a result of 100 years’ warming. The trees are greener; the deserts have shrunk by quite a bit (the Sahara by 300,000 sq. km in 30 years); sea level is 8 inches higher; and that’s it.

Recoloring the graph in neutral tones would have been more scientifically adult:

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Does the Earth really look that much different as a result of 0.7 Cº global warming over 100 years? Not really. Let us end with a God’s-eye view of the planet He has given us. Really, our stewardship has not left it in too much of a mess.

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Yet.

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September 18, 2013 8:38 am

John Whitman:
At September 18, 2013 at 8:30 am you say

I am here to learn, share, create, network and to get to understand better, for my part, some individuals. In Terry Oldberg’s climate science comments I often see philosophically (particularly in the area of epistemology) subtle premises as his basis. I, for my part, will try to get to know him better. And my comments to him will be sincere and polite.

Assuming your first quoted sentence is true (I doubt it is true on the basis of your behaviour on the ‘dustbin’ thread) then use the Search facility to read the several threads where Terry Oldberg has spouted his irrational drivel or – alternatively – contact him personally.
He destroyed some threads and damaged two others (as you did with your ‘tag partner’ in the ‘dustbin’ thread).
There are people who want to discuss the subjects of this thread even if you don’t.
Richard

RACookPE1978
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September 18, 2013 9:16 am

Barry Klinger says:
September 18, 2013 at 7:47 am

Thanks to all who responded to my previous comments. We are all drifting a bit off-topic when we discuss what to do about rising GHG levels, so I will just say a few words about it here.
1) Is decarbonizing evil because it condemns the developing world to squalor? Not if done correctly. Currently in the US wind is economically competitive in some areas and needs a small subsidy in others. Solar is further away from breaking even but has been getting cheaper for a long time. Modest adaption of these and similar sustainable technologies + more efficient devices by rich countries now will speed the time when green tech becomes cheap enough for poor countries to use to expand their economies in a clean way. Saying that we need to keep using fossil fuel because it started the industrial revolution is like saying we need to keep the vacuum tube because it started the information revolution.

So, you – specifically and uniquely – are NOT condemning people to an early death by demanding they “de-carbonize” in order that you feel better and are not afraid of a non-existent threat from increasing CO2 levels?
OK. How many solar panels do I need to buy – at what price! – to power six 1000 watt welders for a water and sewage project in the south Andes mountains. Cloudy skies 80% of the time, 600 miles from a concrete plant: I can get solar power for 6 hours a day. I’ll need to grind gravel, transport it, weld the steel pipes, lift them into place move the pipes around. Dig ditches, place the concrete. Cut wooden forms, pour the concrete. Run pumps and cut steel. Control the pumps and sprayers and filters 24 hours a day when the project construction is finished.
But YOU have decided my power costs 3 times as much, my concrete and steel costs more, the wood cannot be provided, the roads cannot be cut through, the power lines cannot be run, and that the locals cannot use fossil power to build it. YOU have killed them through YOUR fear and YOUR superstitions about CO2.

September 18, 2013 9:27 am

richardscourtney on September 18, 2013 at 8:38 am

John Whitman:
At September 18, 2013 at 8:30 am you say
I am here to learn, share, create, network and to get to understand better, for my part, some individuals. In Terry Oldberg’s climate science comments I often see philosophically (particularly in the area of epistemology) subtle premises as his basis. I, for my part, will try to get to know him better. And my comments to him will be sincere and polite.

Assuming your first quoted sentence is true (I doubt it is true on the basis of your behaviour on the ‘dustbin’ thread) then use the Search facility to read the several threads where Terry Oldberg has spouted his irrational drivel or – alternatively – contact him personally.
He destroyed some threads and damaged two others (as you did with your ‘tag partner’ in the ‘dustbin’ thread).
There are people who want to discuss the subjects of this thread even if you don’t.
Richard

– – – – – – – – –
richardscourtney,
Being still engaged in discussion is my honor. Thanks for your comment.
The Dustbin topic may be off topic in this thread? Would you consider it appropriate here? Should we mutually agree to pursue it further then lets go there. I look forward to further discussion there.
Is it just my impression or are you actually trying to incite against the possibility of free and open discussion here between Terry Olberg and I that is reasonably within the topic of this thread?
Is Terry Olberg’s comment (Terry Oldberg on September 17, 2013 at 9:20 pm) off topic? Is my questioning his basis off topic?
Are you suggesting that there are consensus positions on the topic of this thread such that discussing other on topic positions should not be done here? That non-consensus discussion should go elsewhere?
What is the meaning of science dialog tolerance if it is not what made WUWT the most consistently successful science blog?
John

September 18, 2013 9:39 am

John Whitman:
re your post at September 18, 2013 at 9:27 am.
Just so you know, I refuse to get embroiled in your semantic drivel and thus assist you in dragging this thread off topic. So, I will ignore any similar posts from you.
Richard

Barry Klinger
September 18, 2013 9:45 am

Gail and Richard, I see two copies of the same incorrect claim that renewable energy is intrinsically more expensive than fossil fuels. The flaw in the argument is that it does not take into account the relative cost of extracting energy from (for example) wind and from (for example) coal. If harnessing the wind is cheap enough relative to digging up, transporting, and burning coal, then wind energy could be cheaper to produce. Whether it is depends on the details.
The levelized cost of wind energy seems to be around .072 $/kWh based on a land-based 1.5 MW turbine achieving an average power of .37 MW. (2011 cost of Wind Energy Review, Table ES1, NREL web site). At the retail level, residential rates from Washington Gas Energy Services are .089 $/kWh for a mix of coal, gas, and nuclear, versus .110 $/kWh. That’s 24% larger. Please provide a citation for the claim that wind is 5-10 times more expensive than fossil fuel sources.

Gail Combs
September 18, 2013 10:01 am

Barry Klinger says: September 18, 2013 at 9:45 am
Gail and Richard, I see two copies of the same incorrect claim that renewable energy is intrinsically more expensive than fossil fuels. The flaw in the argument is that it does not take into account the relative cost of extracting energy from (for example) wind and from (for example) coal. If harnessing the wind is cheap enough relative to digging up, transporting, and burning coal, then wind energy could be cheaper to produce. Whether it is depends on the details.
The levelized cost of wind energy……
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Has been calculated by a Professional Engineer. He has a short blurb about his book: WIND POWER FRAUD
I suggest you buy and read the entire book and then get back to us.

September 18, 2013 10:09 am

Barry Klinger:
I see that at September 18, 2013 at 9:45 am you use the usual Big Wind propaganda trick of pretending prices are costs. I refuted that nonsense above.
And I am sorry that I was typing and copying something when Gail Combs was posting the same thing.
However, you ask for information on the cost of windpower being 5 to 10 times more than fossil fuel power. Of course, 10 times is conservative because the subsidies enable more extreme windpower costs. For example, this one whereby a subsidy of £130,000 was provided so a windfarm could produce power sold for £100,000.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1355419/UKs-useless-wind-turbine-Cost-130k-raise-electricity-worth-100k.html
Windfarms are expensive, polluting, environmentally damaging bird swatters that provide electricity some of the time and produce electricity of use to a grid supply none of the time. See
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/reprint/courtney_2006_lecture.pdf
Richard

September 18, 2013 10:13 am

Barry Klinger says:
September 18, 2013 at 9:45 am
The levelized cost of wind energy seems to be around .072 $/kWh based on a land-based 1.5 MW turbine achieving an average power of .37 MW. (2011 cost of Wind Energy Review, Table ES1, NREL web site). At the retail level, residential rates from Washington Gas Energy Services are .089 $/kWh for a mix of coal, gas, and nuclear, versus .110 $/kWh. That’s 24% larger. Please provide a citation for the claim that wind is 5-10 times more expensive than fossil fuel sources.

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Just a question. Does “levelized” mean “subsidized”?

September 18, 2013 10:36 am

richardscourtney on September 18, 2013 at 9:39 am
John Whitman:
re your post at September 18, 2013 at 9:27 am.
Just so you know, I refuse to get embroiled in your semantic drivel and thus assist you in dragging this thread off topic. So, I will ignore any similar posts from you.
Richard

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richardscourtney,
Thanks once again for your dialog, by your persistence it has now come to the crux of the matter.
I politely point out to you that you initiated this [¿’semantic drivel’?] by commenting on my comment addressed to Terry Olberg in an attempt to preemptively disparage a dialog between Olberg & I.
My focus (on responding to your comment which was addressed specifically to me) was what basis you had to advocate against my potential conversation with Terry Olberg.
We see now that your basis is that you did not approve of Terry Olberg’s (and perhaps also my) behavior in the past at WUWT, even though the behavior was ruled within site policy in both letter and spirit. Therefore you think I should defer to your disapproval, but I simply decline to do so.
‘Just so you know’.
John

September 18, 2013 10:42 am

John Whitman:
re your post at September 18, 2013 at 10:36 am
Read and ignored.
Richard

September 18, 2013 11:35 am

richardscourtney on September 18, 2013 at 10:42 am
John Whitman:
re your post at September 18, 2013 at 10:36 am
Read and ignored.
Richard

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richardscourtney,
This is becoming a classic dialog! I do quite appreciate it. Thanks.
I have read your above quoted terse comment and it is absolutely not ignored by me because . . . the future is the unknown frontier*** . . .
*** expression taken from a Star Trek movie
John

September 18, 2013 12:01 pm

Friends:
I write to place on record that I shall not be answering the trolling of John Whitman.
My failure to reply does not indicate that I am refusing to read his posts.
I refuse to feed the troll.
Richard

ralfellis
September 18, 2013 12:18 pm

Richardcourtney
Let that be an end to this irrelevance to the thread.
___________________________________________
Not an irrelevance at all Richard. Some of Monkton’s carping polemics indicate that he sees himself standing in a pulpit, rather than a lecture theatre. My point, which I thought was well made, is that the skeptic community would be better served if their chief spokesmen left their beliefs at home (be that semi-literate design or left-foot Christianity).
This is an important debate about the science and politics of climate, which may greatly afflict and regress Western society and civilisation, and not a platform for DIY evangelists.
Ralph

Barry Klinger
September 18, 2013 12:26 pm

Gunga Din: “Just a question. Does “levelized” mean “subsidized”?”
No, the Levelized Cost of Electricity seems to be a standard way of including construction and maintenance costs in the total cost of an energy facility. I don’t know too much about it but there is a wikipedia article about it.
Richard: The Daily Mail article doesn’t seems to be about the size of the subsidy (for 1 turbine) not about the cost/kWh, but I’ll take a look at the longer material you referenced.

September 18, 2013 12:38 pm

ralfellis:
I am replying to your post addressed to me at September 18, 2013 at 12:18 pm.
The good Viscount talks from who he is and that provides part of the power with which he says things. He mentions his acceptance of the existence of the Almighty. This is no different from the founders of the US Constitution who did the same.
The attempts of you and Silver Ralph to evangelise your religion in this thread certainly are an irrelevance. Similarly, they would also be an irrelevance in a discussion of the US Constitution.
I ask you to consider your words – that I strongly agree – in your post I am answering; viz.

This is an important debate about the science and politics of climate, which may greatly afflict and regress Western society and civilisation, and not a platform for DIY evangelists.

I repeat my request that this be an end to the matter.
Richard

Barry Klinger
September 19, 2013 9:08 am

Richard Courtney: In your posts above, you claim wind is 5 or even 10 times more expensive than fossil-fuel electricity sources and cite your own talk. Yet the only cost estimate I could find in your talk was 2.3 p/kWh for gas turbines and 3.7+1.7 p/kWh for wind+blackup capacity (p=pence). That’s a factor of 2 difference in cost, more than I have read elsewhere but far less than 5-10 times you claim. Note that a 2008 US Dept of Energy Report, “20% Wind Energy by 2030” has a discussion in Sec 4.1 which points out that unpredictable variability in demand already adds something like an intermittency factor and that the combined effect of demand variability and wind variability is less than the sum of the magnitudes of variability. This may reduce the capacity requirements from what you are assuming.
You mention that we shouldn’t go by retail price, but if you are warning that switching to wind will bankrupt ordinary people and cause them to starve, the retail price is very relevant. If my electricity originally costs around .09 $/kwH and wind increases it to around .14 $/kwH, that’s the price I have to worry about. Actually that’s probably an overestimate because much of the electricity consumed by a country is used by industry and commerce which probably gets cheaper bulk rates. Anyway, per capita consumption in US and UK (World Bank figures) is around 13,000 kWh and 6,000, respectively, which means electric costs are $1170 and $540 at low rates and $650 and $300 for 100% wind at todays rates. No one is talking about converting to 100% wind next year, but going to 30% wind over 30 yr I can’t believe there won’t be some technological innovation to lower the price and some efficiency improvements to lower demand, so a big growth in wind-derived electricity could well come at 0 increase over today’s rates. No mud huts needed.

Barry Klinger
September 19, 2013 6:29 pm

Typo in my last post, should be “$650 and $300 more for 100% wind”.

September 20, 2013 2:34 am

galileonardo says:
September 17, 2013 at 1:04 pm
Forgot to mention in my comment that my example elaborates on Christopher Monckton of Brenchley’s observation:
All around the world the record-keepers have been rewriting the temperatures in the early 20th century to push them downward, so as to make the rate of warming over the century seem a great deal steeper than it was.

Um, you mean the dude who wrote this article?

September 20, 2013 6:13 am

Barry Klinger:
The ‘time-out’ from WUWT imposed on me has now expired so I am now replying to your post addressed to me at September 19, 2013 at 9:08 am.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/09/17/dodgy-statistics-and-ipcc-assessment-reports/#comment-1421306
Your post refers to an Annual Prestigious Lecture I had the honour to provide and begins saying

Richard Courtney: In your posts above, you claim wind is 5 or even 10 times more expensive than fossil-fuel electricity sources and cite your own talk. Yet the only cost estimate I could find in your talk was 2.3 p/kWh for gas turbines and 3.7+1.7 p/kWh for wind+blackup capacity (p=pence). That’s a factor of 2 difference in cost, more than I have read elsewhere but far less than 5-10 times you claim. Note that a 2008 US Dept of Energy Report, “20% Wind Energy by 2030″ has a discussion in Sec 4.1 which points out that unpredictable variability in demand already adds something like an intermittency factor and that the combined effect of demand variability and wind variability is less than the sum of the magnitudes of variability. This may reduce the capacity requirements from what you are assuming.

You are egregiously conflating two different issues with the result of (wilfully?) misleading.
The post in which I cited that lecture is at September 18, 2013 at 10:09 am
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/09/17/dodgy-statistics-and-ipcc-assessment-reports/#comment-1420409
Its concluding two paragraphs say

However, you ask for information on the cost of windpower being 5 to 10 times more than fossil fuel power. Of course, 10 times is conservative because the subsidies enable more extreme windpower costs. For example, this one whereby a subsidy of £130,000 was provided so a windfarm could produce power sold for £100,000.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1355419/UKs-useless-wind-turbine-Cost-130k-raise-electricity-worth-100k.html
Windfarms are expensive, polluting, environmentally damaging bird swatters that provide electricity some of the time and produce electricity of use to a grid supply none of the time. See
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/reprint/courtney_2006_lecture.pdf

Clearly, the former of those two paragraphs refers to the costing and the latter refers you to the lecture which explains that, “Windfarms are expensive, polluting, environmentally damaging bird swatters that provide electricity some of the time and produce electricity of use to a grid supply none of the time.”
That lecture explains

Windfarms for power generation provide intermittent power so they merely displace thermal power stations onto standby mode or to operate at reduced efficiency while the thermal power stations wait for the wind to change. They make no significant reduction to pollution because thermal power stations continue to use their fuel and to produce their emissions while operating in standby mode or with reduced efficiency that can increase their emissions at low output. And this need for continuously operating backup means that windfarms can only provide negligible useful electricity to electricity grid supply systems.
{emphasis added: RSC}

It also explains

Windfarms have capital, maintenance and operating costs that add to the cost of electricity. These costs are their only real contribution to the electricity supply system. And a windfarm is the true source of emissions from a thermal power station operating spinning standby as spare capacity in support of the windfarm. But windfarms disrupt operation of the electricity grid system.
{emphasis added: RSC}

In other words, windfarms add cost but NO useful electricity supply so the cost of windpower is the total cost of adding windpower to the grid with no return of any kind except problems. Windfarms don’t even provide useful electricity, they only provide a nuisance addition of electricity!
The costings cited in the paper are – as the paper says – from OFGEN which is a UK government department. It is tasked with justifying use of windfarms in fulfilment of the UK’s government’s commitment to use of windfarms. And, as you admit, even OFGEN says on-shore windpower is double the cost of gas-fired electricity and off-shore windpower is 3 times the cost of gas-fired electricity.
Your spurious points about “retail price” have been repeatedly refuted by me and others earlier in the thread. Costs matter. But you say to me

You mention that we shouldn’t go by retail price, but if you are warning that switching to wind will bankrupt ordinary people and cause them to starve, the retail price is very relevant.

Absolute nonsense!
As I keep telling you, costs are the sum of prices and subsidies. The consumer pays both the retail price and the subsidies. Who do you think provides the subsidies, pixies?
The remainder of your post is equally fallacious propaganda for subsidy farms and is covered by what I have already written in this reply.
Richard

Barry Klinger
September 20, 2013 3:08 pm

Richard… you still haven’t provided a citation for your claim about the cost of wind power. I see no reason to believe that the Royal Academy of Engineering’s statistics are politically motivated. I do see that as a member of the coal industry (according to your bio at the end of your speech) you may have a vested interest in denigrating alternative energy sources, but I do not dismiss what you are saying for that reason but rather am trying to learn from all sources and viewpoints.

Barry Klinger
September 20, 2013 3:36 pm

Richard, the August 2011 “Wind Integration Cost Study” by Xcel Energy and EnerNex Corporation seems to be a consulting report for the cost of using wind prepared by the public utility. Since the utility has an interest in getting the numbers right this seems like a good place to start to get numbers on excess capacity demanded by wind power. The report concludes that integration costs, including (as far as I can tell from the body of the report) the excess capacity and storage needed to meet demand with 20% wind power, is .02$/kWh. Same ballpark as paper you cited.

September 20, 2013 6:30 pm

ralfellis on September 18, 2013 at 12:18 pm
[. . .]
[. . .] Some of Monkton’s carping polemics indicate that he sees himself standing in a pulpit, rather than a lecture theatre. My point, which I thought was well made, is that the skeptic community would be better served if their chief spokesmen left their beliefs at home (be that semi-literate design or left-foot Christianity).
This is an important debate about the science and politics of climate, which may greatly afflict and regress Western society and civilisation, and not a platform for DIY evangelists.
Ralph

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ralfellis,
I agree somewhat with the general tone of your comment.
But I differ in the following regard. Christopher Monckton is not lacking in a highly sophisticated level of astute circumspection. So, when he gives his views on climate science juxtaposed with his allusions to his endorsed religion, it is intended on his part to stimulate the discussion of science compared with religion.
Based on several previous WUWT posts he has done where his science was explicitly juxtaposed with his religion, he knew what would happen in this thread. He seeks it.
Actually, I think it relevant to discuss religion in a climate science discussion in one context only; an important context. That context is if there is a significant pseudo-scientific aspect to IPCC centric CAGW ‘science’ ( and I think there is) then can it be considered a religion. That is a relevant discussion within climate science since the CAGWists are claiming they are doing proper science. Science should enter the fray.
So, I actually thank Christopher Monckton for his repeated teeing up of that context when he juxtaposes his religion and climate science.
John

Alan Murray
September 24, 2013 4:34 am

Oh dear – it is true that there are none so blind as those who will not see – so it must be business as usual then, and we can all wait with baited breath for the 6th Assessment Report, by which time you will have been proved right?
I don’t think so!

Nigel
September 25, 2013 2:23 am

As Harry Huffmann has shown, they actually used the graph of rising CO2 as a template for their addition of fake warming to the true record – that really is breathtaking audacity!

David Cage
September 25, 2013 11:37 pm

What is more annoying is we still never see the fact that the climate scientists refused to do as the computer modelling engineers who originally worked with them told them to, and to include the warming caused by ending SO2 from both power stations clean up and the end of the very dirty communist heavy industry. Together these were estimated at about one degree. This was not really warming but the end of a period of anti green house gas based cooling.
At the same time they are suggesting indirect re introduction of exactly the same effect to reduce climate change.

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