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Below is a letter I received today that has a number of follow up questions answered by Dr. Roger Pielke Jr. after his blockbuster testimony last month.
Pielke’s responses are all about questions on extreme weather. Note Senator Whitehouse’s first question which basically reads: “look, I’ve been wrong and making up nonsense for a long period of time, but isn’t it OK because this other guy is wrong as well?”
For the record: “The effects of climate change, driven by carbon pollution, hit Americans harder each year. Extreme weather events like hurricanes, wildfires and droughts are growing ever more frequent and severe.” – Senator Sheldon Whitehouse, Reuters June 19, 2013
It is a good read.
20 August 2013
Senator Barbara Boxer, Chairman Senator David Vitter, Ranking Member
US Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works
Washington, DC 20510-6175
Dear Senators Boxer and Vitter:
The accompanying two pages contain my responses to the questions posed by Senators Whitehouse and Vitter. I have reproduced the questions in italics and my replies are offset immediately following each question.
I am grateful for the opportunity to share some of our research before the committee and to provide some replies to questions from members.
Sincerely,
Roger Pielke, Jr.
Professor and Director (as of Sept 1 2013)
Center for Science and Technology Policy Research University of Colorado/CIRES
Boulder, CO
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Replies of Professor Roger Pielke, Jr. to Questions from Senate EPW 21 August 2013
Questions from Senator Sheldon Whitehouse:
1) In your written testimony, you stated:
“It is misleading, and just plain incorrect, to claim that disasters associated with hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, or droughts have increased on climate timescales either in the United States or globally. It is further incorrect to associate the increasing costs of disasters with the emission of greenhouse gases.”
In your opinion as a science-policy expert, is it also misleading, and just plain incorrect, to claim that man-made global warming is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people?
PIELKE REPLY: Yes. Both such claims are misleading and incorrect.
2) Who funds your research currently? Please supply a full list for the record.
PIELKE REPLY: I currently have one active grant. It is a small grant from the Nathan Cummings Foundation for a project looking at the role of philanthropy in policy and politics (it has nothing to do with climate or extreme events), drawing on an engagement model I proposed in my book, The Honest Broker (Cambridge University Press, 2007). Also, at the University of Colorado, I am a Fellow of CIRES (Cooperative Institute for Research in the Environmental Sciences) which is a NOAA Joint Institute.
Questions from Senator David Vitter
1) Dr. Pielke, as I read Mr. Nutter’s testimony, he appeared to be trying to tell us that businesses face a disaster that is happening now. But according to a recent Lloyd’s of London survey of almost 600 corporate executives about the risks faced by their business, they ranked climate change #32 behind “piracy” but ahead of “space weather.” High taxation was ranked #1. Regulation was ranked #5. Why do you think they placed climate change at #32?
PIELKE REPLY: Human-caused climate change likely ranks low in the Lloyd’s 2013 Risk Index1 because the vast majority of impacts associated with such changes that would be of direct concern to global businesses in 2013 are presently small or even undetectable at present in the context of historical climate variability, as discussed in my testimony.
1 http://www.lloyds.com/news-and-insight/risk-insight/lloyds-risk-index
2) Dr. Pielke, do you agree with comments made during the hearing that the weather here in the U.S. has fundamentally changed as is evidenced by an increase in hurricanes, droughts, floods, and tornadoes? Do you agree there is “strong evidence” that extreme weather events in the U.S. have become more frequent and intense?
PIELKE REPLY: A range of evidence summarized in my prepared testimony indicates that, on climate time scales in the US or globally, there has not been an increase in hurricanes, droughts, floods or tornadoes. The evidence for this claim is strong and is well-supported in the peer-reviewed literature, data collected by the U.S. government’s research agencies and the recent report on extreme events by Intergovermental Panel on Climate Change.
3) Dr. Pielke, to reiterate your points debunking claims that weather events in the United States are “extreme” in that they are increasing and more intense I would like to ask you a series of questions and provide you the opportunity to answer each.
a) Have United States landfalling hurricanes increased in frequency or intensity since 1900? Have they increased globally? Has damage, adjusted for more people and property, increased in the US or elsewhere?
PIELKE REPLY: As presented in my testimony, the US has not seen an increase in hurricane landfall frequency or intensity since at least 1900, nor in measures of damage, normalized for societal change. In fact, the US is presently in the longest stretch without a Category 3+ hurricane landfall since at least 1900.
b) Has United States flooding increased on climate timescales? Globally? Have United States tornadoes increased? Has United States drought overall increased?
PIELKE REPLY: As presented in my testimony, the US has not seen an overall increase in flooding, nor has such an increase been documented globally. The same holds also for tornadoes and drought.
c) Has the cost of disasters increased globally as a fraction of GDP?
PIELKE REPLY: As presented in my testimony, the cost of disasters as a fraction of global GDP has actually decreased since 1990.
4) Has anyone taken you up on your June 27th twitter invitation to defend President Obama’s claim? (“Open invitation: Does anyone wish to defend the Obama claim that worse extreme weather is increasing disaster costs?”)
PIELKE REPLY: No one took up the challenge.
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The original letter in PDF form is here: Senate.Response.20Aug2013 (1)
h/t to Bryan Zumwalt
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Unless I misread something, the questions are supposed to be in italics.
From question 3b on they are not. Just a friendly heads up.
You know – I have noticed that when someone makes a mistake on these forums and is shown to be a mistake, most people admit it. Now to get some from the other camp to say “oops, I made a mistake. Thanks for showing me where I erred”. Sorry – I was smoking something funny and my typing got carried away.
John West says:
August 21, 2013 at 1:06 pm
While I agree to a point with Dr. Pielke that the exact phrase: ”man-made global warming is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people” is incorrect and misleading, I think he missed a golden opportunity to provide more context and describe the common mischaracterization of AGW as being undoubtedly catastrophic and scientifically “proven” to require immediate action in order to deceive the electorate into supporting various programs more likely to line the pockets of politicians and their friends or have unfavorable results on the economy and especially the poor than to have any effect on climate (i.e.: a hoax of unprecedented scale).
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I don’t agree. Dr Pielke is a scientist, and he answered the questions scientifically. Any conjecture (and that’s all it is) about the motivations of the players has no place in science.
In fact, the question as posed shouldn’t really have been posed at all – it appears to be a blatant political point-scoring attempt showing just how little the Senator cares about the science. I’m not providing scientific answers so I’m allowed to indulge in a little conjecture btw 😉
Since it was posed, Dr Pielke answered it in an honest and forthright manner without giving it more oxygen than it deserved.
Unless I’m somehow misreading Dr. Pielke’s answer, it looks like he says both alarmist claims and characterizing them as a hoax are misleading – meaning no hoax.
Question: if CAGW isn’t the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people, what is?
E.g., Bernie Madoff $50B, vs. CAGW $10T and upwards (and already at least $100B spent and paid to alarmists)? Did Lysenko cost us as much? Did phrenology?
I hope I’ve misunderstood and that he really means the two claims by the alarmists are the hoax.
@jim S –
It won’t matter who tells der Fuehrer he’s wrong about warming accelerating. He will simply fall back on his belief system’s central tenet: no evidence contrary to his meme could possibly exist. Therefore, now matter how hard the new ice age comes down on him, warming is still accelerating.
I’m reminded of a quote from Dr Who: “Humans. You’re so preoccupied with dying you never consider what you might do if you lived”.
@ur momisugly Joe
So, if you were a scientist and you were asked when did you stop beating your wife you couldn’t answer by providing exposing the question’s shortcomings?
Part of a scientists job is to provide context, he chose not to.
“I predict this will be the next itteration of the CAGW warmists screed. Global Warming is visible ONLY at the regional level”
You could be right. From 2005-2011, while we were breaking the previous record for growing seasons without a widespread drought in the Cornbelt(last one had been in 1988), I predicted that another drought would come at some point and the only thing for certain was that global warming/climate change would get the blame.
In politics, religion and many other realms, including unfortunately, climate science, people have made assumptions based on what they think they know.
If there are 2 opposing views/sides, you are drawn to the one that lines up best with your assumptions.
It’s almost impossible to process new information without the bias of what you think you know effecting it. This applies even to junk science or false data. The only prerequisite for it to be stored as knowledge is that it needs to support what you think already.If it contradicts what you believe, chances are much greater for it to be discarded.
For politicians, there is even more on the line. Agenda, money, votes and perception get great weighting. The biggest shock would be a liberal alarmist or conservative skeptic suddenly changing their view 180 degrees.
However, there are some people(outside of politics) that go with the legit science and facts which are received with an open mind. This is why Anthony’s recent presentation has caused me to respect him even more. For years, he viewed things, mainly from one side but adjusted those views according to where the science and data led him.
Anthony doesn’t just talk the talk(that includes the same rhetoric from many people/sources in some cases), he walks the walk and is about as authentic as it gets regarding the issue of global warming and climate change.
Chad Wozniak says:
August 21, 2013 at 1:43 pm
Unless I’m somehow misreading Dr. Pielke’s answer, it looks like he says both alarmist claims and characterizing them as a hoax are misleading – meaning no hoax.
Question: if CAGW isn’t the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people, what is?
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I’m with Chad on this. I understand that an opinion on whether CAGW is a hoax or not is not scientific, but I would have thought then the answer would be along the lines of “This question asks for opinion and has no place in science.”
It sounds like he’s agreeing with the warmists that CAGW is real and that politicians are right to take it seriously.
Even an answer saying “Scientific findings indicate climate scientists got it wrong,” would be better than, “It would be incorrect to say CAGW is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated.” That’s not a scientific answer.
How about, “We don’t know until this issue has been fully examined.” ?
Did Lysenko cost us as much?
Lysenko cost the USSR, and the Soviet Bloc in general, an astounding amount of money. Far more than AGW has cost us so far.
Firstly he ensured that crop productions remained well under those of the West in equivalent land. The Soviet Union for decades was losing billions upon billions.
Almost more importantly, he prevented any clever people entering biology in the Soviet Union. He basically destroyed a whole branch of science. Chemistry went the same way, because no-one dared challenge the orthodoxy when it meant personal ruin (or death in certain phases). Half of all science and much of agriculture ruined is quite an achievement!
There’s a reason all the clever Soviets were in Maths and hard physics — those were the only areas where people could be sure that their answer was not “wrong” on ideological grounds.
The difference is that the Soviets acted as if Lysenko was right. The West largely plays lip service to the CO2 AGW, as we continue to drive and fly and consume exactly as we did before it.
But he’s absolutely right that AGW isn’t a hoax. Saying it is presupposes that it was deliberately fabricated, from the start, knowing that it was false. Suggesting that is beyond conspiracy theorising and being seen to suggest it does the cause of truth no good whatsoever.
It also severely limits the likelihood of innocents who’ve been caught up in good faith – including, quite possibly, many in that alleged 97% scientific consensus – reconsidering their position. Would you give credence to someone who kept insisting that something you genuinely believed was a hoax and that, by believing it, you were implicated?
Things do not have to be a hoax in order for some people to sieze on them for oportunistic gain. Even if AGW was real, people like Gore and Mann would be milking it for personal profit. Funnily enough, in other walks of life, that’s just called Capitalism 😉
Have to admit my admiration for Dr. Pielke, in his patience in dealing with the moroons on Capital Hilll. I tend to be too free lipped to do that.
I watched this Senate hearing. It appeared to be more about politics than science. Also it was funny to watch the Senators’ parade their scientist around or tout their specific titles in a show of one-upmanship.
Haha!!
I’ll bite. . .
Premise: worse extreme weather is increasing disaster costs.
Restatement: (S1)As extreme weather worsens, disaster costs increase. And (S2)Extreme weather is worsening.
Extreme weather analyzed: Drought
(S1) – as drought worsens, disaster costs increase — True
(S2) – Drought is worsening
(S2) definition issue: Time period not defined
Attribution of (S2) definition issue: absolutism
Resolution of (S2) definition issue: Time period that IPCC attributes warming to anthropogenic sources (1945 to present)
(S2) restatement (S2r) – Drought has worsened since 1945.
(S2r) definition issue 2: Location not defined
Resolution of (S2r) definition issue: Southwestern States
(S2r) restatement (S2r2) – Drought has worsened in the southwestern states since 1945.
S2r2 result – True
S2r2 result evidence: historic drought values
Upper Colorado http://drought.unl.edu/Portals/0/user_image/Palmer/upco.gif
Lower Colorado http://drought.unl.edu/Portals/0/user_image/Palmer/lowerco.gif
Great Basin http://drought.unl.edu/Portals/0/user_image/Palmer/greatbsn.gif
California Basin http://drought.unl.edu/Portals/0/user_image/Palmer/calif.gif
Therefore: Drought has worsened in the Southwestern states since 1945 and this has resulted in increased disaster costs.
Q.E.D.
You jest, but that’s literally true. Maximizing CO2 output would be the best thing we could do.
You’re definitely misreading. The question is not about “a” hoax, but “the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on mankind”. Even Hal Lewis restricted that characterization to his “long life as a physicist”.
Correction: “… on the American people.” Hal Lewis further restricted his assessment to “pseudoscientific hoax”, of course.
Probably AGW is beaten by a nose by Obama (intentions, qualifications, eligibility). It’s a near thing, though.
@Brian H –
Well, I guess I can take some comfort in that other folks here think Dr. Pielke was not giving credence to CAGW – I’m happy to be wrong about that, if it is the case.. However, it makes me nervous when I misunderstand something like that – it suggests that others might also misunderstand it. Everyone reading my posts here knows I’m touchous about giving the alarmists any kind of an opening to say “Ha ha we told you so.”
If every time a hypothesis was disproved, we treated it like a hoax, there would be no more science conducted in this country. Dr Pielke is obviously pretty smart in that regard. Some questions are better left answered for the greater good; for a scientist the idea of a hypothesis being a hoax would signal the end of science. The Honorable Senator on the other hand should think before asking a question that is essentially an untenable straw man. It just proves his obvious unthinking bias in this matter. It is now in the written record and once were done with this silliness is going to haunt him for the rest of his career.
v/r,
David Riser
I strongly disagree about the “hoax” reply. It’s one thing to say there has been some warming (Heck were coming out of the LIA) but in terms of trillions spent, the hyperbole, the clear and present danger to world civilization, freedom, impoverishment and neglect of the poorest and damage to science, there are no nice words to describe it. Hoax is an understatement and seems a little tame as a description – there needs to be a new word for such a thing that negatively impacts billions of people. Your reply is misleading and incorrect if you are looking at the big picture.
“Who funds your research currently?”
Has Whitehouse looked at the environmentalist and left-wing causes that Rockefeller, Ford, and Carnegie money (to name a few) funds?
Dr Pielke’s responses were exactly as predicted by the climate models…
Silly me, I always thought the greatest hoax perpetrated on the American people was pairing the word “social” with the word “sciences.”
How about “Political ” science?
Or “fossil” fuels?