Remember this Associated Press before and after image that purportedly showed the North Pole turning into a lake due to “global warming”?
This was the day Brad Johnson of “Forecast the Facts” (a political group affiliated with the Center for American Progress and paid to harass TV weathercasters and meteorologists who don’t share their melting world view) made himself look like the complete idiot we know him to be. Observe the propaganda they sent around:
Note that WUWT published on why this imagery has no scientific merit, and the principal scientist issued a statement saying that it wasn’t anything out of the ordinary.
Even AP saw they’d screwed up and issued a retraction:
Title : ELIMINATION North Pole Lake
Caption : EDITORS, PHOTO EDITORS, AND PHOTO LIBRARIANS – PLEASE ELIMINATE AP PHOTO NY109 THAT WAS SENT ON SATURDAY, JULY 27, 2013. THE CAPTION INACCURATELY STATED THAT ‘THE SHALLOW MELTWATER LAKE IS OCCURRING DUE TO AN UNUSUALLY WARM PERIOD.’ IN FACT, THE WATER ACCUMULATES IN THIS WAY EVERY SUMMER. IN ADDITION, THE IMAGES DO NOT NECESSARILY SHOW CONDITIONS AT THE NORTH POLE, BECAUSE THE WEATHER BUOY CARRYING THE CAMERA USED BY THE NORTH POLE ENVIRONMENTAL OBSERVATORY HAS DRIFTED HUNDREDS OF MILES FROM ITS ORIGINAL POSITION, WHICH WAS A FEW DOZEN MILES FROM THE POLE- This frame grab provided by NOAA shows images from the wide-angle camera trained on a weather buoy maintained by the North Pole Environmental Observatory at the North Pole. The top image is a June 7, 2013 frame grab. The bottom image is a July 25, 2013 frame grab. (AP Photo/NOAA)
Source: http://foto.agerpres.ro/index.php?i=7147048
Will Brad Johnson and “Forecast the Facts” issue a retraction? Doubtful, because to do so would highlight their own stupidity disguised as paid agenda.
Yes, Alastair Heseltine is the likely creator of the Fallen Tree Wood Rack. Here is the same from a slightly different perspective.
http://sierrafoothillgarden.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/alastair-heseltine-woodpile.jpg
which is from this web page:
http://sierrafoothillgarden.com/2010/11/20/woodpiles-and-other-realities-in-the-garden/
and credits A. Heseltine.
It’s not about truth. It’s about getting the headlines. That’s what most folks at home will see. The correction? Very few. The facts? Very few. Thank you Al Oil Check Gorzeera for inventing the Internets thingy. 🙂
@DirkH
Since the DMI states that their forecasts are based based on analysis data from the global operational weather forecasting model at ECMWF, are they now suspect too?
Don’t you realize how silly you look with you conspiracy ideation?
Master of Space and Thyme:
In your reply to DirkH at August 10, 2013 at 9:42 am
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/10/follow-up-the-bogus-north-pole-becomes-a-lake-story/#comment-1386315
you ask and say
Say what!?
DirkH had asked at August 10, 2013 at 9:17 am
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/10/follow-up-the-bogus-north-pole-becomes-a-lake-story/#comment-1386292
DirkH asked if you are associated with an alarmist Institution and he explained the reason for his question; viz. you are posting anonymously and citing information from the alarmist institution when the information is only easily obtainable by associates of that Institution. Such an association is pertinent information concerning your possible undeclared conflict of interest.
So, the question from DirkH is NOT an “attack” and your refusal to answer it – together with an unfounded insult of DirkH – implies that you have the undeclared personal interest of “working at an alarmist institute”.
Richard
Put climate in your own backyard, where the data are less likely to have been “adjusted” to fit the hypothesis.
I live in the part of Oregon with the greatest temperature extremes, its NE. The highest temperature ever recorded in the state was 119 F, at Pendleton on this date in 1898 (forecast calls for 92 today). The lowest was -54 F set at Seneca on Feb 10 in 1933. The next day it was almost 100 degrees warmer there, at 45 F. You want extreme WX, we’ve got it, but not so much lately.
However some low records were set in Oregon recently. For instance, Portland recorded a new low for Feb 26 in 2011, when the temperature dipped to 18 degrees. The previous record low for that date was 20 degrees, set in 1962.
I recall the late ’60s as remarkably cold, especially December 1968, when WA state sets its record low.
But we did not participate in the putative global warming of the ’80s & ’90s. Southern Oregon record highs were set in the extreme WX heat wave of 1946, as in 115 F at Medford & 103 F Burns. Salem’s high was 108 F in 1941, late in the US-wide Interwar, Depression Era or Dustbowl Climatic Maximum of the 20th Century. Records at Astoria (100) & Portland (107) were set in 1961 & 1965, respectively. (In between those years the extreme WX event of the Columbus Day 1962 storm happened.) Among major cities, only Eugene recorded a high during the alleged global warming period, in 1981. But it had undergone great development in prior decades.
To see globally, look locally, IMO.
@richardscourtney
I am confused, are you implying that the University of Bremen is an alarmist institution?
Anway, I can post a concentration map from the United States Navy that shows similar decline in concentration. It’s unlikely that they are “alarmists”
http://www7320.nrlssc.navy.mil/hycomARC/navo/arcticicennowcast.gif
Master of Space and Thyme:
re your post addressed to me at August 10, 2013 at 10:33 am
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/10/follow-up-the-bogus-north-pole-becomes-a-lake-story/#comment-1386357
I am ignoring your feigned confusion and I note your further evasion of the simple question from DirkH.
Please answer the question concerning your possible undeclared conflict of interest.
Richard
Master of Space and Thyme says:
August 10, 2013 at 10:33 am
Few are the universities anywhere in the world that are not alarmist institutions, except perhaps some in China & Russia. Follow the funding.
In this corrupted age, “science” is for sale.
Master of space and thyme says: Anway, I can post a concentration map from the United States Navy that shows similar decline in concentration. It’s unlikely that they are “alarmists”
Well you would be wrong about the alarmists idea. The admiral in charge of the weather part of the USNavy is an alarmist.
mkelly says:
August 10, 2013 at 10:54 am
The whole USN is committed to combating CACCA, to include using “green” biodiesel. Then there’s this absurdity, courtesy of the Obama Administration’s purges of professionals & promotion of toadies like the current CinCPac:
http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2013/03/climate-change-biggest-threat-says-top-navy-commander-pacific
[snip – enough of that talk – mod]
[ Waaay off topic – threadjacking – permanent moderation status now – Anthony]
Master of Space and Thyme says:
August 10, 2013 at 9:53 am
…..
Don’t you realize how silly you look with you conspiracy ideation?
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Conspiracy ideation. ……… hmmmmmmm, now where have I heard that before?
/rolling eyes emoticon.
Russian ice breaker tracks.. July 31 2013 it was breaking up the ice again.
http://www.sailwx.info/shiptrack/shipposition.phtml?call=UGYU
Master of Space and Thyme says:
August 10, 2013 at 7:42 am
. . .
The most recent ECMWF run is forecasting the storm to be below 850mb for another 48 hours and the anomalously warm temperature over the Beaufort, CAA and ESS to continue for at least another 72 hours.
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850 mb – not at sea level, surely!?
I don’t think even 900 mb has been measured, even in the biggest cyclones/hurricanes.
Surface pressure – fine – in the hills, or mountains.
But – interesting times? Yes, I fear so. How the UK will cope if we get three or four more winters like 2012-3, having closed coal-fired power stations [CO2, you see], and started to rely on wind . . . .?
OT – but – oh! how delightful to see the criminal Huhne [formerly an MEP and UK Minister, imprisoned for eight months for perjury] is to be paid $150,000 annually for a two-day-a-week job with Zilkha Biomass energy. Well, it got their name in the UK Press!
Auto
Well, these are much better, and were done at the North Pole:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/26/ice-at-the-north-pole-in-1958-not-so-thick/
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/seadragon-and-skate-north-pole-1962.jpg
this one in March!
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/uss-skate-open-water.jpg
@auto
Nice catch, was supposed to be 985mb
Master of Space and Thyme says:
August 10, 2013 at 11:29 am
Thanks!
Several days ago, I noticed an effort to explain this photo snafu at msnbc. Their take was that the water had now ‘drained’ through cracks in the ice. That does not make sense to me. How would fresh melt water drain into the heavier sea water that underlies the ice? It looks to me like the ‘lake’ water simply refroze.
Most people on this side of the aisle will not get this because we really have a hard time understanding how divisive the other side is. But we are not part of their group. What we say, show or do is irreverent.
Just look at your home Anthony vs Al Gore’s home which Al gore is the messenger or for some the prophet. We are not doing what we do for their version of the greater good.
In order to be recognized you must adhere to their beliefs otherwise we are second class citizens. They have already done this in terms of using the laws to their advantage. Sooner or later they will issue rules to this effect such as the SAME like minded people did with blacks being 3/5’s of a person.
What we say or do makes no difference to people like Brad Johnson or USA today:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/07/25/newser-north-pole-lake/2586469/
Note the bottom story at USAtoday:
“The CIA is studying how to control the world’s climate.”
*rolls eyes* this is what has become of the main stream news.
this one in March!
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/uss-skate-open-water.jpg
btw … the photo is from 1959
@goldminor
Here are before and after pics.
Based on far up the water is up the buoy in the first photo, it appears likely the water drained. It didn’t necessarily have to go down, it could have drained off the side of the flow
July 25 (check out the rainbow)
http://psc.apl.washington.edu/northpole/NPEO2013/WEBCAM2/ARCHIVE/npeo_cam2_20130725012341.jpg
July 29
http://psc.apl.washington.edu/northpole/NPEO2013/WEBCAM2/ARCHIVE/npeo_cam2_20130729011616.jpg
The Arctic ice extent has shrunk over the time of measurement. But that is less than half a century.
It means nothing in terms of the age of the earth. There is no climate knowledge of significance hin this story.
The points of note here are related to the political spin:
1) The Arctic is the last canary still dying in the mine. The tropical hot-spot, desertification, Kilimanjaro’s ice, the Himalayan ice… even the rising temperatures that started this panic. They have all turned against alarmism. So any extrapolation from the Arctic to the rest of the world needs also to address the other cherries that are conveniently unpicked. That they aren’t addressed is a clear sign of (at best) small-mindedness.
2) The photo was misplaced by a hundred miles or more. Thus the news story is withdrawn. But more important is the editorial failing that led to the failed check in the first place. Any story reported by these journalists must be assumed to be unchecked. Environmental journalists the world over have failed in their first duty. Ignore them.
3) As the article says, not everyone has retracted their misleading editorials. Those who haven’t aren’t wrong in accidental error. They are wrong deliberately. They wish to mislead their readers. They hold their readers in contempt. That is worth knowing.
@Larry Plume P
Here’s a link to an archived copy of a Life Magazine article written by Commander James Calvert about his subs surfacing at the pole in 1959. He estimated that the ice around the polynya he surfaced at was 40 feet thick.
http://tinyurl.com/Skate90DegNorth
Master of Space and Thyme says:
August 10, 2013 at 12:50 pm
He estimated that the ice around the polynya he surfaced at was 40 feet thick.
The text reads:
“In August the Arctic was at its bland best,…, Cruising under the 10 foot thick pack we repeatedly have found open water where we could surface”
When he talks about March he says again on second page:
“…. surface sealed of by a hard curtain 10 feet thick…”
In the photo that you uploaded above one can see behind pressure ridges that can raise higher
http://psc.apl.washington.edu/northpole/NPEO2013/WEBCAM2/ARCHIVE/npeo_cam2_20130729011616.jpg
This is exactly what is mentioned when there is a photo with a higher ridge.
So why are you delusional?
“”Master of Space and Thyme says:
August 10, 2013 at 8:08 am
@Richard111
The video of the Russian icebreaker at the North Pole was uploaded in 2009, so unless the person who uploaded that video has mastered time travel , that video is certainly not from July 2013.””
Thanks for pointing that out. I aquired that link at the same time as this
link which records the ships daily position. Scroll down the page and check
July 31 entry. The ice breaker was there even if the video is for the wrong year.
Unless this link is faulty as well.
http://www.sailwx.info/shiptrack/shipposition.phtml?call=UGYU
@Caleb says: August 10, 2013 at 8:20 am