I’ve covered this issue before, in fact some of my work is used in this new video which illustrates how alarmism in the media is aided by selective photography and Photoshop trickery. It gores hand in hand with this recent essay: Climate Persuasion – or how to ignore data and influence people
Watch this video which shows several examples:
Global Warming revisited is a new video series from the Galileo Movement that reviews the current state of the Climate Change Debate. In this first video we look at the tricks Media and Alarmists use to portray steam as pollution.
For more information please visit http://www.galileomovement.com.au.
The Galileo Movement seeks to foster open and free discussion of major scientific issues, notably the current debate regarding man-made climate change.
It is steam, but it comes from hydrocarbons in the coal. If you heat coal you get coke, coal gas, tar and other hydrocarbons. Hydrocarbons produce steam and CO2 when burnt. The diagram shows a “condenser”. Power stations generally recycle their steam so they do not get boiler scale like steam locomotives. A good video otherwise.
As there ever been a situation before were the science is claimed to be so strong , indeed settled, and yet you see massive use of smoke and mirrors, BS and out right lies to support it ?
Almost all modern western power stations scrub the smoke from furnaces and sell it as fly ash. China is now doing this also.
Why don’t they just make it green and be done with it?
http://i39.tinypic.com/6dyhwi.jpg
“of course it also emits CO2, N2, H2O, SOx, NOx and particulates……So propaganda, but from the deniers/skeptics this time”
SOx=Bad
NOx=Bad
Particulates=Very Bad
N2=Unreactive Nitrogen
H20=Good
CO2=Good
There is only disagreement on the last one of these things and it mainly relates to global temperatures(since I think everyone must agree that CO2 is causing plants/crops and world food production to increase greatly).
So, either CO2 is causing catastrophic warming or it’s a beneficial gas.
If you can’t show the catastrophic warming(without global climate models using math equations that were/are used to represent the physics of the atmosphere based on the 80’s/90’s theoretical thinking— when there WAS unexplained warming), then………………..why is CO2 pollution?
The “agenda” from the Mushroom Media; think of the Rodney King video that helped spark riot in LA. The media (all of them) showed 20 some seconds of a four minute video, leaving out where King threw four cops off of his body.
And NBC is probably going to pay our tens of $$millions to George Zimmerman for their bogus, DELIBERATE sound edit.
Is this photo from the Interpol Environment web site of the ‘retouched’ category ?
http://www.interpol.int/var/interpol/storage/images/internet/homepage/slider-homepage/interpol-report-warns-carbon-trading-at-increased-risk-of-criminal-exploitation/185257-2-eng-GB/INTERPOL-report-warns-carbon-trading-at-increased-risk-of-criminal-exploitation.jpg
@Grant ” It is steam, but it comes from hydrocarbons in the coal. ”
The steam coming from the cooling towers comes from water.
@Kit….Yes there are some compounds that come from the burning of coal, but they go through a rigorous scrubbing process to minimise the output of anything that could be termed a real pollutant.
The BIG LIE is that of pretending that any of the output from the cooling towers is anything but water vapour. This is what the video deal with.. A BIG WARMIST LIE !!
Even the fly ash is put to good use. It ends up in cement and road surfaces etc.
Kit Carruthers says:
August 8, 2013 at 12:49 pm
Ha ha! “Lie. Deceive. Be Dishonest”…having been deceitful and dishonest by carefully constructing the video to suggest that power generation ONLY emits steam [“it is steam you see from these towers”…..
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Flue gas is normally unseen so the photographers use the STEAM from the condensers instead and not flue gas which goes through scrubbers to remove particulates, sulfur and other nasties, at least in the USA.
I was around in the 50s when the USA had real pollution, we have cleaned up our act since then thank goodness.
Of course if you are talking about China….
This video is misleading on how a power plant works. It should be revised. The visible vapor coming out of the cooling towers is indeed, just steam. The vapor coming out of the stacks is the scrubbed exhaust gasses from the boilers. The scrubbing process general consists of ESP (Electrostatic Precipitators) to remove the fly ash. An SCR (Selective Catalytic Reduction) to remove the NOx. And, an FGD (Flue Gas Desulpherization) to remove the SOx. The SCR produces most of the visible steam with the FGD contributing some.
Bill O’Reilly often acknowledges his scientific imbecility when he shows a picture of steam coming out of a smokestack and rants about how with global warming we have to get that “gook” out of the air. What a “maroon.”
We conduct power plant tours every year. When I get to the cooling towers I ask how many people identify it with a nuclear plant. Invariably more than a third raise their hands (we are at a coal plant). I let them know it is water vapor from the condenser cycle, but also let them understand how the media is more than willing to mislead….funny to watch old ladies shaking their heads in disgust.
“So, either CO2 is causing catastrophic warming or it’s a beneficial gas.
If you can’t show the catastrophic warming(…), then………………..why is CO2 pollution?”
Woah, easy tiger! Firstly, CO2 can be both beneficial and harmful, depending on concentration and receptor. And secondly, I’m not here to show anything about CO2. I commented to point out the irony in producing a video which criticises media for not representing industry properly…and then goes ahead and misrepresents industry.
As you, and others, have picked up on, my list of emissions includes harmless ones too. But none of these were mentioned in the video – a serious oversight, and the question is: deliberate or incompetent misrepresentation?
“Of course if you are talking about China….” Well, my post does read “(depending on country and clean air regs)”, so waddya reckon? 🙂
SOx – good, NOx – good. They form acids and then salts which are fertilizers.
Where does the hydrogen molecule fit into the picture again?
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Climate warming is political candy. Elected officials will move in a different direction when a replacement is found (or, rather, given to them). Can anyone think of a harmless alarm that will sucker the electorate but cost little/nothing to not-resolve?
“Ha ha! “Lie. Deceive. Be Dishonest”… *** [“it is steam you see from these towers” or somesuch], … .” [Kit Carruthers at 12:49PM, 8/8/13]
And what do YOU see, Ms. Carruthers?
A couple of minor corrections:
A coal plant that uses a wet scrubber will also have water vapor coming out the flue stack.
Wet scrubbers produce gypsum not fly ash.
Fly ash is the very fine particulate matter removed by the bag house/precipitators. Bottom ash is also produced, the source is self explanatory I think.
The flue gas from an unscrubbed coal plant in the US is nearly invisible. You can tell the plant is operating if the lighting is just right, but it isn’t always easy.
Talk of alarmist media and Govn’t propaganda WRT CO2, this is what we’re blatantly exposed to Australia.
“Kit Carruthers says:
August 8, 2013 at 3:25 pm
Firstly, CO2 can be both beneficial and harmful, depending on concentration and receptor.”
If we consider Apollo 13 as an example, how do you see well mixed atmospheric concentrations of CO2 reaching 1.5% – 2% (15,000 – 20,000 ppm/v) to start to become toxic?
Dear Patrick,
An antidote to The Deadly Black Balloons propaganda film put out by the Fantasy Science Club.
Take heart! These children are not all brainwashed. Truth — will — win.
Australia is.
Cheers!
Janice
A clarification is in order concerning part of the description accompanying the video. The other comments in the video concerning the intentional deception perpetrated by the various government bodies, much of the media and others are in my opinion 100% correct.
At 1.26 the video refers to “releasing the steam after it’s been used in the electricity making process”. That statement is not correct, the steam used to turn the turbine is not released though the chimney stack, it is condensed and fed back into the boiler to be reused in the steam cycle. The steam (water vapour) released via the chimney stack is formed during the combustion of the coal fuel.
The steam (water vapour) coming from the cooling towers is created by evaporation of cooling water which is primarily used to cool the condenser. The condenser cools and condenses the steam back to water once it has passed through the turbine before it is again fed to the boiler as feed water.
Whether or not the water vapour from the chimney stack or the cooling tower become visible depends on weather factors such as the ambient temperature and humidity.
This kind of deception sadly is pretty much standard procedure in the MSM here in Australia.
Here is a specific example of this kind of propaganda:
First look at this picture of the Hazelwood brown coal power station in Victoria as it appears on the web site of Environment Victoria, note how atmospheric conditions have been carefully selected to emphasis the plumes of flue gas water vapour . Then look at this picture of the same station, in reality more than 95% of the time this is what you’ll see. Hazelwood does not have cooling towers, but instead has a substantial cooling water pond or lake. On cool mornings water vapour can often be seen rising from this cooling water pond.
Janice Moore:
Many thanks for the video in your post at August 8, 2013 at 11:15 pm.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/08/media-alchemy-turning-steam-into-smoke/#comment-1385164
That is beautiful!
It shows true patriotism of the kind from which we all benefit whatever our nationality.
I am not Australian and I have never visited Oz but will be commending that video to others because – as someone much wiser than me said – everybody benefits from obeying the tenet,
“Love your neighbour AS yourself.”
Richard
Dear Richard,
I am so glad to know that someone besides myself enjoyed that video. How kind of you to tell me. So often, when I post a video that moved me deeply or that I thought would be uplifting or amusing, no one else feels the same (or, at least, no one says anything). And that is depressing. Did you see the video of the happy dog surprises (when military owners return after a long time) on the original thread about that silly Tol Poll (Here: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/02/the-tol-poll-rating-climate-denizens/ — on 8/3 at 3:16PM)? I’ve watched that at least half a dozen times I love it so much.
Well, I love dogs an awful lot. Perhaps, that is the key to liking that video… .
You followed the wisdom of Leviticus 19:18 by taking the time to write to me here.
THANK YOU!
Your ally in the battle for truth in science,
Janice