I’ve covered this issue before, in fact some of my work is used in this new video which illustrates how alarmism in the media is aided by selective photography and Photoshop trickery. It gores hand in hand with this recent essay: Climate Persuasion – or how to ignore data and influence people
Watch this video which shows several examples:
Global Warming revisited is a new video series from the Galileo Movement that reviews the current state of the Climate Change Debate. In this first video we look at the tricks Media and Alarmists use to portray steam as pollution.
For more information please visit http://www.galileomovement.com.au.
The Galileo Movement seeks to foster open and free discussion of major scientific issues, notably the current debate regarding man-made climate change.
Smoke, steam, water vapor, NOx, CO2 etc., are all now conveniently labeled as emmissions now by the lamebrained media (in this case, the NYT). So, they simply tar CO2 with the same brush.
The Capitol Power Plant now runs primarily on diesel, having been forced to move away from coal by dim-witted Pelosi and crew. Oh, the ironing.
oh, but that visible gas coming from the stack is the known trouble maker DHMO which is known to kill more people than just about any other substance on Earth. We should all be very very worried by this release of this horrible material. http://dhmo.org/facts.html (I should add that there is a very large /SARC on that in case anyone should be confused)
“Janice Moore says:
August 8, 2013 at 8:05 pm
And what do YOU see, Ms. Carruthers?”
I see water vapour. But those aren’t the only towers one finds on a power station, now are they Mr. Moore? Which means the video conveniently/accidentally ignores other emissions from power stations.
“Patrick says:
August 8, 2013 at 9:34 pm
If we consider Apollo 13 as an example, how do you see well mixed atmospheric concentrations of CO2 reaching 1.5% – 2% (15,000 – 20,000 ppm/v) to start to become toxic?”
I’m sorry I don’t understand your question, but if you are asking about CO2 toxicity, then this document may be of interest: http://www.hse.gov.uk/carboncapture/assets/docs/major-hazard-potential-carbon-dioxide.pdf So, toxic at some concentrations, but not at others, and of course beneficial to plant life assuming no other stresses. The HSE doc, and I think your Apollo 13 example, of course relates to direct inhalation, and not the insipid effects of CO2 as a GHG.
Ms. Carruthers;
No, you don’t see water vapour. It’s also an invisible gas. What you see is water droplets, from water vapour condensing in clouds. Same as the “steam” from a kettle.
The vapour phase is commonly called “live steam”, >100°C. Or the humidity in un-saturated air.
“Kit Carruthers says:
August 9, 2013 at 8:05 am”
I see your website is littered with alarmist claptrap. My post demonstrates that CO2 at 1.5% – 2% STARTS to become “toxic” for humans. We will never ever see 15,000 – 20,000ppm/v CO2 in well mixed air from emissions from burning fossil fuels. Indoors CO2 is between 0.08% to 0.1%. Submarines operate at a max of 8,000ppm/v CO2. We exhale with each breath ~40,000ppm/v CO2. Commercial greenhouses typically have CO2 concentrations of 1000 – 1500ppm/v. CO2 in well mixed air is ~400ppm/v, or 0.04%. Where, in normal well mixed atmospheric air conditions, and at what levels does CO2 become “harmful” as you claim? It’s a very simple question.
Say, PATRICK, (smile) did you hate the video (posted at 11:15PM on 8/8/13) I searched the internet over an HOUR to find for you THAT bad?
I wanted to find a good music vid of “Waltzing Matilda” but there just wasn’t a first class one.
Nice post to refute ol’ Carruthers.
“Janice Moore says:
August 9, 2013 at 8:41 pm”
To this day I still find it hard to fathom people still believe CO2 is harmful at normal atmospheric concentrations given we know the following;
Changes in CO2 *FOLLOW* changes in temperatures by ~800 years.
Roughly half of the annual ~4% human contribution is absorbed somewhere.
Plants use other nutrients more efficiently in CO2 rich environments.
Coal is a biofuel, it’s concentrated sunlight!
CO2 + Water + Nitrogen + Sunlight = Food *AND* O2.
The “heating” effect of CO2 is logarithmic not linear and is largely saturated out or smothered by water vapour leaving a small “window” at around 15 microns.
Periods in Earths past where CO2 was at concentrations of several thousands ppm/v, the planet and all life on it then survived, there is no evidence of “harm”.
CH4 at 1800ppBILLION/v is not worth worrying about and oxidizes to CO2 quickly.
Humans need to breath in CO2 in order to maintain healthy lung tissue and function.
I could go on, but it’s futile. 97% of “all” scientists say so, so the science *is* settled. Must be true, after all Al “Oxy” Gore’s film was in colour, right?
All this information is freely available on the interweb nowadays, I sourced much of it in libraries before the interweb became famous, all knowing and all seeing.
The “belief” in the “97%” is rather funny because the person who came up with the theory (Died before he was vindicated and theory proven to be correct by “Cold War” era ocean floor mapping.) of continental drift was an amateur geology enthusiast and was ridiculed by professional geologists. HA!
September 7th is when Australians to go to the Polls in this years Federal election where the leader of the opposition (Liberal/National Party – LNP), Tony Abbott, has vowed to dismantle the carbon pricing mechanism, locally known as the carbon tax, if the LNP wins power. However, the LNP have a “direct action” plan on climate change, which, in effect, just uses tax from the consolidated fund to fund the “action”, whatever that maybe. I have contacted the LNP and stated that the LNP needs to;
Bin the “direct action” plan.
Close the Climate Commission Body.
Use the AU$10bil, currently consumed by “green projects”, on infrastructure that matters (Schools, Health, Transport and the like).
Sack Tim Flannery and save taxpayers AU$180k p/a for his 3 days per week job at misinforming the public about climate change.
I won’t hold my breath though, Abbott is a politician after all.
That AD you link to is a very common AD here is Aus, it is well made and shows off some of the wonders down under very well. There is a series of them by Qantas. But you might like this one;
These guys also do a “version” of Waltzing Matilda too. But you might like this one instead;
Enjoy!
PS. WARNING! The singer in the second link is Kevin “Bloody” Wilson. I suggest you don’t listen to any other songs of his as his language is very, errrmmm, “fruity” to say the least. This one is clean however.
Patrick says:
August 10, 2013 at 12:04 am
Kevin “Bloody” Wilson is actually a very funny man. Swears a bit yes, but in my view it usually just adds authenticity.
“Bob in Castlemaine says:
August 10, 2013 at 2:54 am”
I agree however many don’t. I saw him live in Reading, with an Aussie, in the UK in 1993-ish, and once he “got going” I saw many people get up and leave. Oh the comedy…
Janice Moore says: August 8, 2013 at 11:15 pm
Thanks for posting that Janice, haven’t seen or heard it for a while. Nor this one which can still make me tear up some, mostly sad that the spirit behind these seems to have been lost – at least for now…
Hey, Patrick,
Thank you for responding to my SHOUT OUT. Glad to know you saw the vid I posted and thought, at least, that it was well made. I, an American, found it deeply touching.
Thank you for sharing or, rather, TRYING to share the above two videos with me (us). I very likely would have enjoyed them. Alas, the first one re-directed me to You Tube where I would be happy to go to watch it, but there was no link to send me there (and I’m not computer saavy enough to discover what the http address for that video is). The second one, upon clicking on it, said, “This video does not exist.” If you would be so kind, please write out the full titles of those videos so I can search for and, hopefully, watch them on You Tube.
And, re: your excellent CO2 Fact Sheet, nice summary and I agree completely.
Janice
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Dear Aidan,
How kind of you to bother to let me know you enjoyed the video I posted. I like that one very much, indeed. Thanks for yours! I enjoyed that one, too. Take heart! The real Australia yet lives. Many, many, strong, patriotic, honest, hearts across your great, beautiful, continent beat with love for their native land. Australia IS.
Never, never, never, never give up.
Your ally in the fight for Truth in Science (and for freedom),
Janice
“Janice Moore says:
August 10, 2013 at 5:49 pm”
Information about CO2, the planets, the solar system, weather and climate is freely available to all, I guess far too many people are either too lazy or are simply too trusting of authority, climate scientists, the IPCC, economists and politicians. Given we know Al Gore is a famous driver of alarmist propaganda mocumentaries and the like should be enough on it’s own for anyone to start to question the “consensus”.
You could try Googling “Come To Australia by Scared Weird Little Guys” for the first clip and “Kevin Bloody Wilson Rendition of Waltzing Matilda, once sung once brass instrumental.…” for the second. It is possible that if the clips are hosted in Australia, it might not play in the US. In some cases this is true in the opposite direction.
Patrick,
Thanks for the tip for searching for the videos. I found them both on You Tube. The first was pretty funny. Couldn’t find the second one.
Take care,
Janice
I did NOT find them “both.” I THOUGHT I had found them both.
Could be the videos “are here and not there” type thing. Ah well, they were funny and informative. You might try google.com.au…might get you some results.
I don’t see the problem – that’s a picture of coal power-plants emitting huge amounts of the visible, highly dangerous, and known powerful GHG dihydrogen monoxide (also known by its chemical symbol H2O).
Everyone knows that it is H2O responsible for the enormous feedback loops inherent in CAGW theory – the weak GHG CO2 has only a trivial and logarithmically decreasing effect without H2O. And here we see it being pumped into the atmosphere by Big Coal without any controls at all!
When will governments come together to regulate emissions of this deadly GHG? Perhaps some kind of cap-and-trade scheme would be the most efficient way of procuring the lowest cost abatement of H2O.
“Brian H says:
August 9, 2013 at 10:46 am”
Happy to be corrected, thanks! Oh, and BTW, I’m a Mr., not a Ms. Look forward to you acknowledging the correction 🙂
“Patrick says:
August 9, 2013 at 7:42 pm
…Where, in normal well mixed atmospheric air conditions, and at what levels does CO2 become “harmful” as you claim? It’s a very simple question.”
Patrick, I think you’re creating an argument where there isn’t one. I’m not disagreeing that CO2 is not harmful, if given the opportunity to disperse (setting AGW aside, since your examples are of spaceships, greenhouses and the like). That is to say that if we start at a high concentration, and it is “well mixed” as you say, i.e. diluted, then the concentration reduces, and harm is prevented. However, if it cannot mix or be diluted then the link I posted to the toxicity of CO2 shows clearly the concentrations and exposure times at which the gas is toxic to humans. Therefore, in situations where CO2 accumulates at these concentrations, it becomes “harmful” (fatally so!). Are you disagreeing with this? If so, do you have an alternative explanation for the tragedy at Lake Nyos? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Nyos)
So, returning to my original statement which you were questioning “Firstly, CO2 can be both beneficial and harmful, depending on concentration and receptor.”, then I am quite correct. The effect of CO2 depends on concentration and receptor (human, animal, plant, atmosphere).
“Kit Carruthers says:
August 11, 2013 at 9:07 am
If so, do you have an alternative explanation for the tragedy at Lake Nyos? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Nyos)”
Oh dear, I wondered when you’d bring this up. Look up on the geology of the area (Crater lake d’oh), then look up the atomic weight of CO2. What was the concentration. If I recall it was 170,000ppm/v, or 17%. Atomic weight of CO2 is 44, so it displaced O2. Yes, that will kill anything reliant on O2 for life.
Next you will be claiming Earth will become another Venus due to increased CO2. Nice try, but no cigar!
I say “Therefore, in situations where CO2 accumulates at these concentrations, it becomes “harmful” (fatally so!). Are you disagreeing with this?” and you say “If I recall it was 170,000ppm/v, or 17%. Atomic weight of CO2 is 44, so it displaced O2. Yes, that will kill anything reliant on O2 for life.” Therefore we are in agreement, wonderful!
“Kit Carruthers says:
August 12, 2013 at 4:04 am”
As with anything, even O2 and H2O, in the right concentration it’s lethal. However, what you are claiming in most of your posts and at your website is that at NORMAL atmospheric concentrations, ~400pm/v, CO2 is harmful. You post a link to a volcanic crater lake where the outgassing of CO2 killed people because it dispersed O2. There is no evidence to support your claim CO2 is harmful at normal atmospheric concentrations. Laughable!