My personal path to Catastrophic AGW skepticism

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Guest essay by Jonathan Abbott

Please allow me to recount the details of my personal path to CAGW scepticism. I have never previously found myself at odds with the scientific mainstream and at times it feels quite odd. Perhaps others here have similar experiences? I am curious to know how fellow-readers came to their current views. If some have gone from genuine scepticism to accepting CAGW, I would find that especially fascinating.

My own story begins at school in England in the early 80s. Between playing with Bunsen burners and iron filings, I remember being told that some scientists predicted that we would soon enter a new ice age. This sounded quite exciting but I never really thought it would happen; I was too young then to have seen any significant change in the world around me and it all seemed rather far-fetched. A nuclear war seemed far more likely. Soon enough the whole scare melted away.

I grew up into a graduate engineer with an interest in most branches of science but especially physics. I read the usual books by Sagan, Feynman and later Dawkins (whose The Ancestor’s Tale I simply can’t recommend highly enough). I also dipped into philosophy via Bertrand Russell. I like to think this reading helped build upon the basic capabilities for critical thinking my education had provided.

I suppose it was in the early 90s that I first noticed predictions of global warming and the associated dire warnings of calamities to come. Some of these emanated from the Met Office and so I knew should be treated with a pinch of salt but other sources included NASA, which I then personally still very much respected; despite the space shuttle evidently being the wrong concept poorly executed, their basic scientific expertise seemed unquestionable. In general I was looking forward to the warmer climate predicted for the UK, and assumed that the overall effects for the globe wouldn’t necessarily all be bad.

Now, being English I knew all about the vagaries of the weather, but the warnings about CAGW always seemed to be made in the most certain terms. Was it really possible to predict the climate so assuredly? The global climate must be an extremely complex system, and very chaotic. I had recently heard about financial institutions that were spending vast sums of money and picking the very best maths and programming graduates, but still were unable to predict the movements of financial markets with any confidence. Predicting changes to the climate must be at least as difficult, surely? I bet myself climate scientists weren’t being recruited with the sort of signing-on bonuses dangled by Wall Street. I also thought back to the ice age scare, which was not presented as an absolute certainty. Why the unequivocal certainty now that we would only see warming, and to dangerous levels? It all started to sound implausible.

The whole thing also seemed uncertain on the simple grounds of common sense. Could mankind really force such a fundamental change in our environment, and so quickly? I understood that ice ages could come and go with extreme rapidity, and that following the scare of my childhood, no one seriously claimed to be able to predict them. So in terms of previous natural variability, CAGW was demonstrably minor in scale. It seemed obvious that if natural variability suddenly switched to a period of cooling, there would be no CAGW no matter what the effect of mankind on the atmosphere. Even more fundamentally, how could anyone really be certain that the warming then taking place wasn’t just natural variability anyway? The reports I read assured me it wasn’t, but rarely in enough detail to allow me to decide whether I agreed with the data or not.

The other thing that really got me thinking was seeing the sort of people that would appear on television, proselyting about the coming tragedy that it would imminently become too late to prevent. Whether from charities, pressure groups or the UN, I knew I had heard their strident and political use of language, and their determination to be part of the Great Crusade to Save the World before. These were the CND campaigners, class war agitators and useful fools for communism in a new guise. I suddenly realised that after the end of the Cold War, rather than slinking off in embarrassed fashion to do something useful, they had latched onto a new cause. The suggested remedies I heard them espouse were always socialist in approach, requiring the installation of supra-national bodies, always taking a top-down approach and furiously spending other peoples’ money. They were clearly eager participants in an endless bureaucratic jamboree.

Now don’t get me wrong: a scientific theory is correct or not regardless of who supports it. But recognising the most vocal proponents of CAGW for what they were set alarm bells ringing, and made me want to investigate further. I had always been somewhat sympathetic towards Friends of the Earth but much less so towards Greenpeace, by that time obviously a front for luddite socialism and basically shamanistic in outlook. I had deep personal concerns about the environment, having seen reports of terrible industrial pollution in developing countries and the former Eastern Bloc. I had also sailed across the Atlantic twice in a small yacht, and seen for myself floating plastic debris hundreds of miles from land. (I also saw an ‘eco warrior’ yacht in Antigua, lived on by a crusading hippy and daubed with environmental slogans. It was poorly maintained and leaked far more oil into the water than any other boat present.)

So I was quite passionate about the environment, but my focus was on keeping it clean and safe for all life to live in. I wanted people to stop overfishing and manage fish stocks sensibly, I wanted agricultural land to produce the best long-term yields possible, to provide enough food without encroaching on wilderness and wild spaces. I wanted people everywhere to have clean air to breathe and water to drink. I had hoped that the CAGW crusade would somehow also lead to more urgent progress in fighting pollution, and the other environmental issues I cared about. If anything it did the reverse. Why the absolute fixation on reducing CO2 emissions, why was it taken for granted that this was the only way to proceed? Where was the public debate about the balance between prevention and mitigation? The CAGW protagonists always came up with solutions that were anti-industrial, anti-development and always, always required more public money. Where was the encouragement for inventors and entrepreneurs to discover and develop new technologies? And most of all, why oh why not spend some of the huge sums of money thrown at CO2 instead on getting effective pollution controls enacted in developing countries?

It had become quite clear to me that the BBC and similar media organisations would never even discuss whether the science underpinning CAGW was really robust. It had simply become a truism. An occasional doubting voice would be offered a sliver of airtime in the interests of supposed impartiality, but a proponent of CAGW would always be allowed the (much longer) last word. But, if NASA kept having to adjust their course calculations as the Voyager probes entered the outer reaches of the solar system (an utterly trivial problem compared to the complexities of the global climate), how could the science possibly be settled as claimed? Surely the great joy of science is in admitting ignorance, in taking a finely honed theory and sharpening it still further, or even better in realising a fundamental mistake and stepping aside onto a new path? The claimed certainty itself seemed unscientific.

Then in 2007 I saw a trailer on television for the forthcoming documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle. I watched it excitedly, for here finally were people publicly addressing the science and the data, but drawing alternative conclusions to the mainstream. There was none of the usual hand-waving and appeals to trust the experts, who magically seemed to be the only doubt-free scientists in recorded history. The backlash against the program told its own story too, being mainly outraged appeals to authority and conscience.

Having recently become a regular user of the internet, I started digging around looking for more information and so, soon after he started it, I found Warren Meyer’s excellent web site climate-skeptic.com. Oh, the joy! Here were links to data I could see and evaluate myself; here was critical dissection of reports and papers accepted elsewhere without demur. From there, I moved onto WUWT, Bishop Hill, Climate Audit and all the other sites that have become part of my daily round of the internet whenever I have access. However late to the party compared with many regulars at WUWT, I could now see fully both sides of the argument.

When the Climategate emails were released, some further scales fell from my eyes. I had hitherto assumed that most of the most prominent scientists supporting CAGW were well intentioned but wrong, akin to those opposing the theory of continental drift. I have taken part in many lengthy email exchanges concerning technically complex projects, and instantly recognised familiar methods used by those playing the political and bureaucratic game, for whom the data is infinitely malleable in order to reach a pre-determined goal. I had fought against this kind of factual distortion myself.

Now at this point, I am sure some (perhaps many?) readers are thinking, ‘Great, an inside view of how someone becomes a believer in a conspiracy theory, perhaps I’ll base a research paper on this idiot’. My response is that like most people I have at times stumbled upon the real conspiracy theory nuts lurking on the internet. But on WUWT and other CAGW-sceptic sites criticism of the position of the website founder isn’t just tolerated but often encouraged. ‘Prove us wrong! Please! It would be fascinating!’ There are many articles and views published on WUWT that I treat with suspicion, or even downright disagree with, but it is all stimulating and usually well argued. Plus, I am an experienced professional engineer and know what real science looks like, and when people are misusing it as a smokescreen. Neil Armstrong was a great man, and most certainly did land on the moon. Right or wrong, WUWT is a site that considers real scientific issues.

So I now find myself wondering where we go from here. The global climate will continue to change, as it has always done, and although I tend to expect some cooling I am pretty agnostic about it. Nature will assuredly do its own thing. The CAGW scare is in the process of burning out, but I do not expect an outright or imminent collapse. I hope to see the deliberate manipulators of data punished, but doubt very much it will ever come to that. Whatever happens next, it will undoubtedly be interesting, and stimulate much discussion and widely varying viewpoints. This is good news, because it means that we are back to doing science.

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A Hamburger for Mr. McKibben
July 29, 2013 9:13 am

AN OPEN LETTER TO BILL MCKIBBEN OF 350.ORG–
The Hadley Center email scandal was something I had dismissed. But this gem from Phil Jones changed that: “Bottom line – the no upward trend has to continue for a total of 15 years before we get worried. We’re really counting this from about 2004/5 and not 1998. 1998 was warm due to the El Nino.”
Yet there is still good reason to believe that people are influencing climate and that the climatic system is one that is sensitive. However, there is also good reason to believe that proponents of the climate change theory themselves have, in vino veritas, little personal inhibition to really do anything anyhow.
I started to realize this much myself when I visited World Wildlife Fund’s U.S. website and took the Carbon Calculator survey. Though I do not feel convinced in the climate change theory, my score of a 16 made me realize that a lot of the problem is well beyond my control anyways. You may want to take the same survey. Granted, someone who is an evangelist of the alarmisms of climate change does get to have a high score, knowing all the work and travel that goes into spreading the word.
However, there is one aspect of the climate change evangelist’s lifestyle where this excuse does not apply–and it is the same area which represents the bulk of my own carbon score. No evangelist of climate change can really convince me of changing what I do without committing himself to a strictly vegetarian lifestyle. Though there are some on the fringe of the AGW camp who do follow through, it is an ironic peculiarity that the vegan evangelists represent a small minority, and it is from there own websites and discussions that I have found the greatest opening in disputing any need for action on climate change whatsoever. You can actually look at a person and tell what he eats, and clearly, some of these climatologists haven’t given up on burgers and steak. The list of vegetarian celebrities is pathetic, most of whom I am not familiar, and there choices probably have little to do with environmental issues.
Not to forget what James Hansen said with this [inappropriate blogosphere adjective] comment, “I’ve almost become a vegetarian.” In other words, I’m not calling myself an ovolactovegetarian because I really haven’t given up on meat.
Please understand the weight of this inconsistency when you discuss this scientific issue; a review of a climate change evangelist’s lifestyle is a relevant point. Tiger Woods limits his cheating to women, not golf. So in the present era it is not so offensive for some to see him out there on the course at St. Andrews, but I think many people would take exception to the idea of Woods becoming pope. And that is the perfect analogy to this debate.

Patrick
July 29, 2013 9:29 am

“Samuel C Cogar says:
July 29, 2013 at 8:18 am
On the contrary, said junk science “claims” are based in/on “weazelworded”…”
Catweazle discovered electrickery…it’s on Wiki, must be true!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catweazle

July 29, 2013 9:42 am

Tucci78 on July 29, 2013 at 8:57 am

Tucci78,
Wonderful was your discourse on the aspects of what is the fundamental nature of science and what it isn’t. Thanks.
Also, that was a great Mencken quote.
Note: I value much of the works of: H.L. Mencken, F. A. Hayek and Ludwig von Mises.
John

John West
July 29, 2013 9:44 am

” Pretty well the whole scientific establishment backs CAGW and states that the science is done, every serious scientist agrees and that anyone that disagrees is therefore deluded or evil.”
1) Could you provide a citation to the position of the “whole scientific establishment”.
2) What’s a serious scientist? Can you name a scientist that isn’t serious?
3) You’ve really gotten the word from every “serious scientist”? I wonder why it wasn’t 97%.
4) So, one has to be deluded or evil to disagree with your assessment? You can’t think of even one other possibility?
5) So, do the deluded and evil not get to vote? Do they have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? Should scientists identify a genetic configuration that predisposes one to evil-nous should we kill all babies with that genetic predisposition?
6) Even if the “science” is spot on, is it right to condemn millions to starvation and leave entire ecosystems at risk now in order to save our grandchildren the inconvenience of a 3 degree C warmer world?
7) Have you completed a cost benefit analysis that you could share?

barry
July 29, 2013 10:01 am

Jakehig,
Dansgaard–Oeschger events see temperature swings in the Greenland ice cores of about 10C in a few decades. But they are anticorrelated with Antarctic temps.
http://rockbox.rutgers.edu/~jdwright/GlobalChange/Blunieretal_1998.pdf
They are thought to be caused by sudden changes in ocean heat transport, possibly when deglaciation reaches some threshhold under insolation changes. They have no analog in the post-glacial record (8000BC to present). They only seem to occur when Earth is in or climbing out of an ice age.
If kher is claiming a global phenomenon, it would lend credence to the notion that climate sensitivity is very high on short time-scales. If his claim is roughly correct, negative feedbacks would appear to be greatly outweighed by positive. Richard Lindzen would find such temp swings improbable, for example, because he believes a low climate sensitivity keeps the global temps from changing much. But he is unable to explain how his sensitivity model fits ice age shifts. By itself, Kher’s claim (if global) wouldn’t necessarily validate high climate sensitivity, but it does nothing to reject it.
The drawback of arguing that the global climate has changed dramatically on centennial scales is that it is very difficult to then argue for a low climate sensitivity, and impossible to argue that the sum of feedbacks is negative. One of the ways climate sensitivity is assessed is by figuring the response to the initial forcing for ice ages – the shift in focus of insolation. By itself, the orbital forcing should only have a very limited effect, but the response to the changed focus of insolation is (comparitively) huge. And the effect is global even if the change of focus is towards one of the poles. Heat transport through the oceans and a global rise of CO2 are generally held responsible for spreading the heat from one pole to the other and across the Earth.
(Kehr’s book would be the only reference I’m aware of that posits such large swings on a global scale in a century. But he falls short of actually saying that in your excerpt. My skeptometer twitches. I’ve read a great deal on ice ages, but maybe I missed some pertinent studies Kerr may be referring to)

barry
July 29, 2013 10:03 am

Jakehig, if you would be so kind, could you cite the studies Kher relies on for the section you quoted? i want to discover studies where it is estimated that Antarctic and Greenland temps are correlated for these events.

Bart
July 29, 2013 10:11 am

Pat Smith says:
July 29, 2013 at 6:34 am
Yep. Whether it is true that “the whole scientific establishment” agreed or not, that impression has been intentionally promoted, and too few have either made the effort, or been allowed the outlet, to speak out against it. When this fiasco becomes undeniable, “science” in general is going to take a major hit.
And, maybe that is not such a bad thing, considering the deification of “Science” which has been gathering steam in the past century, though I cringe at the rampant run of pseudoscience which will undoubtedly be unleashed at the fall.
Danabanana says:
July 29, 2013 at 8:17 am
“Do you even know how many succesful missions the Shuttle program achieved?”
A LOT fewer than were supposed to. Defending the Shuttle program in its entirety at this juncture is not helpful to the space effort. Good things came of it, but mistakes were made. Best thing to do now is to assess what went right and what went wrong, learn from it, and move forward. IMHO, one lesson is that Government is good at crash programs which require corralling the full productive capability of a nation, like sending men to the Moon or fighting a war. It’s not so good at ongoing operations like AMTRAK or the Space Shuttle.

Reply to  Bart
July 29, 2013 11:08 am

@Danabanana says: July 29, 2013 at 8:17 am
How does your record on the Shuttle stack up against Max Faget’s?

July 29, 2013 10:25 am

Danabanana says:
@dbstaley
“The Arctic is going through its natural cycle, ”
ORLY? told by whom? .. evidence to back up your opinion.

See here.
Now that you can see it is not simply my opinion, but rather, that it is based on empirical [real world] physical evidence, I await the withdrawing of your snark [“ORLY”, etc.]

barry
July 29, 2013 10:44 am

Steve Case,
Hi steve.

The models use the mainstream values for CO2 sensitivity and the empirical record is at the bottom or below those results. What more do you need? I’ve pointed this out to you many times, and you usually invoke Transient Climate Response (TCR), so answer me this, do the models not include TCR?

ECS models start with a sudden jump in CO2 (usually a doubling), and the model is allowed to run until the system reaches equilibrium. TCR models are run with a continuously varying (usually increasing) CO2 component. They are better analogs for what may occur in the real world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transient_climate_simulation
Your model is a TCR model. You may remember that you had initially made a model with linear CO2 increase, which was not correct. You may also remember that the resulting fit to TCR was pretty much on the money for current temps. (TCR mean sensitivity is 2.1C at the time of doubling – ie, the immediate response).
Recent research has indicated that the AR4 estimates of ECS might be a bit too high. Jury is still out, but hopefully it will prove sound. If so, ECS may be downgraded to 2C/doubling. Still within the old IPCC range, but a lower bottom end (maybe 1.5C). I doubt it could be lower.

climatereason
Editor
July 29, 2013 10:59 am

db stealey
Way up thread I posted some charts for jai Mitchell demonstrating the nonsense that is the Hockey stick data
He seems to have disappeared. Does he always do this when presented with stuff he doesn’t like?
tonyb

Ox AO
July 29, 2013 11:01 am

Tucci78 says:
I believe you are missing Pat Smith’s point. What is going to happen once the so called, ‘established science’ no longer has the power it does? The events might resemble what took place with Galileo. Which I hope he is right. Either way the damage they are doing will in my opinion take decades for the public perceptions of science to overcome.
BTW- does anyone know how to find this thread other then in my history?
Danabanana
dbstealey said, “The Arctic is going through its natural cycle, ”
Danabanana said, ORLY (Oh really?) told by whom? .. evidence to back up your opinion.
I laugh every time I see statements like this. The so called ‘established science’ say this to imply humans are not natural we are demigod with special powers over the planet or aliens from another world. They are not the established science they are science fiction writers with degrees.

Tucci78
Reply to  Ox AO
July 29, 2013 12:05 pm

At 11:01 AM on 29 July, Ox AO had posted:

What is going to happen once the so called, ‘established science’ no longer has the power it does? The events might resemble what took place with Galileo. Which I hope [Pat Smith] is right. Either way the damage they are doing will in my opinion take decades for the public perceptions of science to overcome.

Nope. The “public perceptions” of science as such will almost certainly continue to accord the boffins degrees of respect disproportionate to these critters’ real merits. I think that what will happen is going to be a profoundly reduced proclivity on the part of “the public” to be panicked by the “We’re All Gonna Die!” yips and squeals of the politicians’ and their running-dog lamestream leftie-luzer legacy media accomplices’ future attempts to manipulate dodgy science-y factoids into eyeball-grabbing hysteria.

Most “scientists” are bottle washers
and button sorters.

— Robert A. Heinlein

Of late, we’ve been seeing much such disdain for science-oid squalling, haven’t we? As a primary care grunt, for some years now I’ve been appreciating the general population’s much-reduced susceptibility to the annual “Tens of Thousands Will Die!” up-and-down jumping of the professional noisemakers every time we approach viral ‘flu season. Folks are responding with a disgusted “Meh!” and we’re no longer running out of ‘flu vaccine doses as those in the identifiable lower-risk cadres have been staying away in droves.
The damage that’s going to “take decades” to resolve is in the broad range of allegedly peer-reviewed scientific periodicals and textbooks which will need to undergo agonizing debridement to excise and fulgurate the cancerous rot imposed by the machinations of “Mike’s Hockey Team” and those who had – wittingly or unwittingly – colluded with those credentialed charlatans to spread this phlogistonic flappery so hideously through the literature.
That and the thousands of young men and women who had wasted their time and effort – indeed, their lives – in academic preparation for careers on the glorious CAGW bandwagon, only to discover it’s more like one of those trucks dedicated to the drainage of overfilled septic tanks.
The whole “man-made global climate change” fraud is rapidly approaching the point at which it will hold a place in the history of the sciences about the equivalent of Piltdown Man (with more than a little hint of Ponzi to make the reek more piquant).

July 29, 2013 11:11 am

tonyb,
I just noticed jai mitchell making a really outlandish prediction on the ‘NASA predicts 8º warming’ thread. But to answer your question, jai is not one to let scientific evidence like what you posted interfere with his belief in runaway global warming.

Jonathan Abbott
July 29, 2013 11:50 am

“The questions were not aimed at your intellectual capability.”
Sorry Barry, but if you ask a leading question and then offer a choice of two replies, both of which attempt to entice me into saying something stupid, then either you’re dumb or you think I am. And you don’t come across to me as all that dumb.

Jonathan Abbott
July 29, 2013 12:08 pm

Danabanana, you picked just about the worst excuse possible to stop reading my post. Only someone who doesn’t know much about the full shuttle program, from inception to retirement, would think it achieved its goals. Perhaps you should ask where is Space-X’s shuttle or son-of-shuttle. There isn’t one. Current space companies are developing reusable systems, but they aren’t based on the shuttle. Perhaps it was a necessary lesson, but it was still the wrong concept.
Regarding the execution, have you any idea how far short of the originally stated goals the orbiter actually operated? And both times that orbiters were lost, fundamental organisational flaws were uncovered in NASA. On both occasions the necessary information to avert disaster was known but ignored by managers. Hmmm, ignoring inconvenient data, what does that remind me of?
It’s a terrible shame, because I have a great love of spaceflight, but NASA sure isn’t what it was, or should be.

barry
July 29, 2013 12:53 pm

Jonathan,
you don’t seem all that dumb to me, either. You’ve explained why you are a skeptic, and posited that the science is too uncertain to make accurate predictions. My questions, which first tried to get you to clarify your views, ultimately were to find out what you would regard as a responsible policy response in light of that uncertainty (knowing a little is not the same as knowing nothing). I think it’s a natural follow-up, but it seems we’re not going to go there. No matter. Thanks for the replies.

rogerknights
July 29, 2013 3:13 pm

Pat Smith says:
July 29, 2013 at 6:34 am
It is interesting to consider the implications if CAGW is ever proved to be wrong. Some implications are clear – the huge amount of wasted money and the related opportunity costs, reduced global growth, increased poverty and low growth in developing countries, etc. One implication is rarely mentioned but could be the most important. Pretty well the whole scientific establishment backs CAGW and states that the science is done, every serious scientist agrees and that anyone that disagrees is therefore deluded or evil. If this is proved to be wrong (and admittedly this would be difficult to achieve in any way), then it means that the entire scientific establishment is wrong in both the science and in attempting to prevent discussion of the alternatives.
What will happen then? Will there be a popular backlash against science?

It will be a big black eye for the capital-S “Skeptical” organizations that have heavily bought into the warmist narrative and whose leading members have played a role in whipping up the hysteria: Bill Nye, Phil Plait, and Eugenie Scott, among those I can recall off the top of my head.

Carbon500
July 29, 2013 3:25 pm

Tucci78: I note with interest your comments with regard to my posting on passive inhalation of tobacco smoke, and concur with your views regarding my own responses to such smoke.
However, let’s revisit what ‘Just Steve’ said: ‘tack on the second hand smoke junk science, and the scare tactics the anti-tobacco lobby has heaped on us (millions die from second hand smoke every year, huh? Show me a body, with incontrovertible evidence the person died from second hand smoke….just one)’
There is no question that tobacco smoke contains respiratory irritants and carcinogens, as pointed out for example by Jeremy Colls in ‘Air Pollution’ (Spon Press, 2002).
Examples include formaldehyde, benzene, toluene and N-nitrosodimethylamine.
The U.S.A.’s National Cancer Institute website states that there are 69 carcinogens in tobacco smoke, and moreover Colls comments that ‘it is not possible to measure and specify the whole range of toxics’.
The National Cancer Institute also says that there is ‘no safe level of exposure to secondhand smoke’.
That’s why I don’t wish to inhale cigarette smoke.

Reply to  Carbon500
July 29, 2013 3:42 pm

Enough of the tobacco talk, all further comments snipped.

Jakehig
July 29, 2013 3:29 pm

Barry,
I have had a quick scan of John Kehr’s references etc. That particular excerpt did not have a direct reference but most of his ice core data came from “EPICA” and “Vostok”:
“EPICA Dome C Ice Cores Deuterium Data. IGBP PAGES/World Data Center for Paleoclimatology Data Contribution Series # 2004-038. NOAA/NGDC Paleoclimatology Program, Boulder CO, USA.
Vostok Ice Core Data for 420,000 Years, IGBP PAGES/World Data Center”
He also mentions Greenland ice cores – GRIP? – but I did not find the specific reference in my quick scan.
He makes another point which does not get much air-time. The time lag between historic temps rising and CO2 levels increasing is well-known. He points out that, at the start of each glacial, temps fell for thousands of years while CO2 remained high.
As he does not attribute much significance to the role of CO2, these points are not interpreted in terms of climate sensitivity.
May I suggest you take a look at his book and then take up your counter-arguments with him directly? He has a website under the same title as his book and states that he is open to contrary evidence.

rogerknights
July 29, 2013 3:47 pm

Tucci78 says:
The damage that’s going to “take decades” to resolve is in the broad range of allegedly peer-reviewed scientific periodicals and textbooks which will need to undergo agonizing debridement to excise and fulgurate the cancerous rot imposed by the machinations of “Mike’s Hockey Team” and those who had – wittingly or unwittingly – colluded with those credentialed charlatans to spread this phlogistonic flappery so hideously through the literature.

They will have a harder job re-editing all the TV science documentaries in order to make them look non-laughable when rebroadcast. it may be that this will be impossible (or the rewriting so mockable) that their value to rebroadcasters (cable networks) will decline substantially.
I hope that, once or side gets the funding it deserves (e.g., from a congressionally established Inquiry Board), we will create bibliographies, with links, to such documentaries, and to the effusions of propagandists in the MSM. These should be viewable from many angles, including by publication and author/producer. I look forward, after the fall, to clicking on hundreds of hilariously misguided NPR & PBS programs on the matter.
The MSM will take a greater “hit” from this than science, because the MSM was the amplifier and (effectively) censor.

mrmethane
July 29, 2013 3:49 pm

Carbon guy – there is no safe level of anything. It is sometimes helpful to do some risk analysis on the perils of being alive. I’d guess that more people die from slipping on the results of poor aim at urinals than from second hand smoke. Ditto walking down our country lane to the post box. Then, once you have some measure of risks, it would probably be prudent to evaluate the costs of encountering vs. avoiding each. Ultimately, the precautionary principle forces one to place a value on human lives – and WHICH human lives. Compared with those of birds, sharp-tailed snakes and “snailbats”. But please go ahead with your own superstitions if it lessens your angst!

rogerknights
July 29, 2013 3:55 pm

PS: “Public” broadcasting will take the greatest hit, because it has been 87% one-sided, worse than the average MSM outlet. (It had to be that way, to cater to the prejudices of its rabid audience. But it won’t be able to say that. Ouch!)
The public will indeed “turn on” the MSM, because the public likes to exact revenge on those who have made fools (believers) of them.

rogerknights
July 29, 2013 4:07 pm

Oops–I meant to say, ““Public” broadcasting will take the greatest hit, because it has been 97% one-sided, worse than the average MSM outlet.”
Another element of the MSM that will be hard-hit will be the “prestige” publications like the NYT and WaPo, which have been the main cheerleaders for this crusade. Especially after the Inquiry Board’s examiners put their whole coverage under the microscope, and post their findings.
The problem is that it’ll take five or ten years for the enemy to be undeniably exposed as phonies, during which time it can and will “deny” its eroding credibility by tactical retreats (on climate sensitivity, for instance), by hyping weather events, by focusing on acidification, by issuing smoke-screens excuses to make things look OK for their position, and by just falling silent and hoping the whole topic will fall down the memory hole, with the aid of a compliant media.

rogerknights
July 29, 2013 4:19 pm

I just wrote: “The public will indeed “turn on” the MSM, because the public likes to exact revenge on those who have made fools (believers) of them.” I should also have said that the public likes to tear the sanctimoniously high-and-mighty down from their pedestals.

July 29, 2013 7:13 pm

RE: barry at 10:44 am
Barry, the issue is that the models have predicted or projected a larger temperature rise for the planet than has actually occurred. As of the past June the “Global Warming” scare is 25 years old and the predictions aren’t coming true.
Global Hurricanes aren’t more frequent:
http://policlimate.com/tropical/global_major_freq.png
Droughts aren’t increasing
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/
And temperatures aren’t matching up to the models.
http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/CMIP5-73-models-vs-obs-20N-20S-MT-5-yr-means1.png
If you can’t hit the broad side of a barn at 25 feet, you aren’t going to hit the target at 100 meters.

Samuel C Cogar
July 30, 2013 2:09 am

Quoting: “…… but most of his ice core data came from “EPICA” and “Vostok”:
Using ice core data for determining atmospheric CO2 ppm quantities requires more guessing and estimating to come up with a ppm number ……. than does the forecasting of next month’s daily temperatures or weather.
Near surface, where snow accumulates, CO2 ppm is highly variable, …. which is the reason Charles Keeling moved to atop Mona Loa, Hawaii.