
Note: if the name below is familiar to you it is because of this article from Monday. This will be a sticky post for a day or two, new stories will appear below this one– Anthony
Guest essay by Jonathan Abbott
Please allow me to recount the details of my personal path to CAGW scepticism. I have never previously found myself at odds with the scientific mainstream and at times it feels quite odd. Perhaps others here have similar experiences? I am curious to know how fellow-readers came to their current views. If some have gone from genuine scepticism to accepting CAGW, I would find that especially fascinating.
My own story begins at school in England in the early 80s. Between playing with Bunsen burners and iron filings, I remember being told that some scientists predicted that we would soon enter a new ice age. This sounded quite exciting but I never really thought it would happen; I was too young then to have seen any significant change in the world around me and it all seemed rather far-fetched. A nuclear war seemed far more likely. Soon enough the whole scare melted away.
I grew up into a graduate engineer with an interest in most branches of science but especially physics. I read the usual books by Sagan, Feynman and later Dawkins (whose The Ancestor’s Tale I simply can’t recommend highly enough). I also dipped into philosophy via Bertrand Russell. I like to think this reading helped build upon the basic capabilities for critical thinking my education had provided.
I suppose it was in the early 90s that I first noticed predictions of global warming and the associated dire warnings of calamities to come. Some of these emanated from the Met Office and so I knew should be treated with a pinch of salt but other sources included NASA, which I then personally still very much respected; despite the space shuttle evidently being the wrong concept poorly executed, their basic scientific expertise seemed unquestionable. In general I was looking forward to the warmer climate predicted for the UK, and assumed that the overall effects for the globe wouldn’t necessarily all be bad.
Now, being English I knew all about the vagaries of the weather, but the warnings about CAGW always seemed to be made in the most certain terms. Was it really possible to predict the climate so assuredly? The global climate must be an extremely complex system, and very chaotic. I had recently heard about financial institutions that were spending vast sums of money and picking the very best maths and programming graduates, but still were unable to predict the movements of financial markets with any confidence. Predicting changes to the climate must be at least as difficult, surely? I bet myself climate scientists weren’t being recruited with the sort of signing-on bonuses dangled by Wall Street. I also thought back to the ice age scare, which was not presented as an absolute certainty. Why the unequivocal certainty now that we would only see warming, and to dangerous levels? It all started to sound implausible.
The whole thing also seemed uncertain on the simple grounds of common sense. Could mankind really force such a fundamental change in our environment, and so quickly? I understood that ice ages could come and go with extreme rapidity, and that following the scare of my childhood, no one seriously claimed to be able to predict them. So in terms of previous natural variability, CAGW was demonstrably minor in scale. It seemed obvious that if natural variability suddenly switched to a period of cooling, there would be no CAGW no matter what the effect of mankind on the atmosphere. Even more fundamentally, how could anyone really be certain that the warming then taking place wasn’t just natural variability anyway? The reports I read assured me it wasn’t, but rarely in enough detail to allow me to decide whether I agreed with the data or not.
The other thing that really got me thinking was seeing the sort of people that would appear on television, proselyting about the coming tragedy that it would imminently become too late to prevent. Whether from charities, pressure groups or the UN, I knew I had heard their strident and political use of language, and their determination to be part of the Great Crusade to Save the World before. These were the CND campaigners, class war agitators and useful fools for communism in a new guise. I suddenly realised that after the end of the Cold War, rather than slinking off in embarrassed fashion to do something useful, they had latched onto a new cause. The suggested remedies I heard them espouse were always socialist in approach, requiring the installation of supra-national bodies, always taking a top-down approach and furiously spending other peoples’ money. They were clearly eager participants in an endless bureaucratic jamboree.
Now don’t get me wrong: a scientific theory is correct or not regardless of who supports it. But recognising the most vocal proponents of CAGW for what they were set alarm bells ringing, and made me want to investigate further. I had always been somewhat sympathetic towards Friends of the Earth but much less so towards Greenpeace, by that time obviously a front for luddite socialism and basically shamanistic in outlook. I had deep personal concerns about the environment, having seen reports of terrible industrial pollution in developing countries and the former Eastern Bloc. I had also sailed across the Atlantic twice in a small yacht, and seen for myself floating plastic debris hundreds of miles from land. (I also saw an ‘eco warrior’ yacht in Antigua, lived on by a crusading hippy and daubed with environmental slogans. It was poorly maintained and leaked far more oil into the water than any other boat present.)
So I was quite passionate about the environment, but my focus was on keeping it clean and safe for all life to live in. I wanted people to stop overfishing and manage fish stocks sensibly, I wanted agricultural land to produce the best long-term yields possible, to provide enough food without encroaching on wilderness and wild spaces. I wanted people everywhere to have clean air to breathe and water to drink. I had hoped that the CAGW crusade would somehow also lead to more urgent progress in fighting pollution, and the other environmental issues I cared about. If anything it did the reverse. Why the absolute fixation on reducing CO2 emissions, why was it taken for granted that this was the only way to proceed? Where was the public debate about the balance between prevention and mitigation? The CAGW protagonists always came up with solutions that were anti-industrial, anti-development and always, always required more public money. Where was the encouragement for inventors and entrepreneurs to discover and develop new technologies? And most of all, why oh why not spend some of the huge sums of money thrown at CO2 instead on getting effective pollution controls enacted in developing countries?
It had become quite clear to me that the BBC and similar media organisations would never even discuss whether the science underpinning CAGW was really robust. It had simply become a truism. An occasional doubting voice would be offered a sliver of airtime in the interests of supposed impartiality, but a proponent of CAGW would always be allowed the (much longer) last word. But, if NASA kept having to adjust their course calculations as the Voyager probes entered the outer reaches of the solar system (an utterly trivial problem compared to the complexities of the global climate), how could the science possibly be settled as claimed? Surely the great joy of science is in admitting ignorance, in taking a finely honed theory and sharpening it still further, or even better in realising a fundamental mistake and stepping aside onto a new path? The claimed certainty itself seemed unscientific.
Then in 2007 I saw a trailer on television for the forthcoming documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle. I watched it excitedly, for here finally were people publicly addressing the science and the data, but drawing alternative conclusions to the mainstream. There was none of the usual hand-waving and appeals to trust the experts, who magically seemed to be the only doubt-free scientists in recorded history. The backlash against the program told its own story too, being mainly outraged appeals to authority and conscience.
Having recently become a regular user of the internet, I started digging around looking for more information and so, soon after he started it, I found Warren Meyer’s excellent web site climate-skeptic.com. Oh, the joy! Here were links to data I could see and evaluate myself; here was critical dissection of reports and papers accepted elsewhere without demur. From there, I moved onto WUWT, Bishop Hill, Climate Audit and all the other sites that have become part of my daily round of the internet whenever I have access. However late to the party compared with many regulars at WUWT, I could now see fully both sides of the argument.
When the Climategate emails were released, some further scales fell from my eyes. I had hitherto assumed that most of the most prominent scientists supporting CAGW were well intentioned but wrong, akin to those opposing the theory of continental drift. I have taken part in many lengthy email exchanges concerning technically complex projects, and instantly recognised familiar methods used by those playing the political and bureaucratic game, for whom the data is infinitely malleable in order to reach a pre-determined goal. I had fought against this kind of factual distortion myself.
Now at this point, I am sure some (perhaps many?) readers are thinking, ‘Great, an inside view of how someone becomes a believer in a conspiracy theory, perhaps I’ll base a research paper on this idiot’. My response is that like most people I have at times stumbled upon the real conspiracy theory nuts lurking on the internet. But on WUWT and other CAGW-sceptic sites criticism of the position of the website founder isn’t just tolerated but often encouraged. ‘Prove us wrong! Please! It would be fascinating!’ There are many articles and views published on WUWT that I treat with suspicion, or even downright disagree with, but it is all stimulating and usually well argued. Plus, I am an experienced professional engineer and know what real science looks like, and when people are misusing it as a smokescreen. Neil Armstrong was a great man, and most certainly did land on the moon. Right or wrong, WUWT is a site that considers real scientific issues.
So I now find myself wondering where we go from here. The global climate will continue to change, as it has always done, and although I tend to expect some cooling I am pretty agnostic about it. Nature will assuredly do its own thing. The CAGW scare is in the process of burning out, but I do not expect an outright or imminent collapse. I hope to see the deliberate manipulators of data punished, but doubt very much it will ever come to that. Whatever happens next, it will undoubtedly be interesting, and stimulate much discussion and widely varying viewpoints. This is good news, because it means that we are back to doing science.
My ‘kickstarter’ is retailed at http://cleanenergypundit.blogspot.co.uk/2010/01/2009-year-end-musings.html (second picture onward). Meanwhile, major re-thinks seem required: some scientists’ recent views that I found, should be more widely investigated; they are quoted on my blogsite a thttp://t.co/vZKx895Hty amongst other considerations. Some IPCC revelations in my post of 04 October 2011 could also be of interest. As to so-called ‘climate models’ – I couldn’t find a single one yet, viz http://cleanenergypundit.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/snippets-questions-2-climate-models.html.
Ceetee says:
July 28, 2013 at 2:38 am
A few here have mentioned Prince Charles. I think he is a right royal plonker. I wonder what his sons think of this issue?
Whatever they think, they need to keep it to themselves. Just like actors; when you are in the public (entertainment) limelight, one of the sacrifices you have to make is to not take an extreme stance on anything ‘extreme’. Then everyone will love you. They love you because of who you are and not what you think; it’s good for business that way.
Btw, ‘nother engineer here, of the electrical kind. 25 years of experience of knowing that when you get things wrong, bad things happen. (the comments are racking up, here).
“SJWhiteley says:
July 28, 2013 at 4:56 am
Ceetee says:
July 28, 2013 at 2:38 am
A few here have mentioned Prince Charles. I think he is a right royal plonker. I wonder what his sons think of this issue?
Whatever they think, they need to keep it to themselves. Just like actors; when you are in the public (entertainment) limelight, one of the sacrifices you have to make is to not take an extreme stance on anything ‘extreme’.
It’s a shame “Royals” and “actors” don’t keep what they think to themselves…rather than use what they “think”, via the MSM, to drive an agenda. Fonda/Windsor/Gore etc etc for instance.
Clearly as shown by the comments, the pathway towards becoming a CAGW skeptic, or preferably, climate realist is knowledge, while the True Believers like jai seem to prefer ignorance. Takes all kinds I guess.
Born in the early 50s I was used to and inured to the background drone of anticipated dooms: new ice age, becoming radioactive from nuclear power, post nuclear war Apocalypse and ‘nuclear winter’, acid rain, overpopulation and widespread famine, the AIDS iceberg, cVJD epidemic, Y2K… all now filed under ‘Pending’.
So the AGW thing was just part of the drone, so my default position was sceptic. But as the pitch got louder I took note and decided it was quite plausable. CO2 was a ‘greenhouse’ gas; Mankind was releasing a lot of it; it must be having and effect but how much? I was ready to persuaded.
And so I then paid attention and looked for ‘the science’ to demonstrate the ‘how much’ part…. and found none, just assertion, bluster and shrill, ever louder and increasingly desparate cries of doom.
I then realised there was no ‘science’, just religion. We must believe because all the bishops and priests did, and even the rulers.
I did of course mean vCJD.
I never believed that warming was anthropogenic at all. I was born in the 50s. In the 70s, we had dire predictions of “peak oil”, coming ice age and worldwide famine, which were all bogus. Then came the incredibly hyped acid rain and “hole in the ozone layer” issues. Around that time DDT was demonized for no good scientific reason. Greenpeace, which I supported at the time, became political. My BS meter became very sensitive.
Also, I had trained briefly with Ron Glass at McGill University where we were introduced to the theory of chaos and the stability of systems. IMO, there is NO way that a system driven by a positive feedback multiplier of 3 could survive and Earth has obviously always survived extremely harsh conditions. I read parts of the IPCC reports and realized that natural forcings were summarily discarded. Progressive organizations jumped on the bandwagon and made the whole thing emotional.
Clearly, Science was being hijacked to advance an ideology: GREEN, the new RED. Nothing good could come out of that. Communism had only brought pain and suffering to the people. When I discussed this with family and friends, I was either laughed at or ignored.
I discovered WUWT soon after its creation and realized tons of people think the same way. And now, slowly, it appears we may be proven right.
I really do not know/cannot know or prove either way whether Global Warming is true or not. I do know that Climate is always changing – and that for example the Romans had vineyards in Northern England, the Tudors had a very wet century ( not the sunny dappled time with Cate Blanchett !) and that the Thames froze over with regularity in the 17Cy.
Worse than climate change though we are subjected to and brainwashed with the Great Global Warming Swindle – where politicians from Obama to Cameron have been taken in/chosen to be taken in by those with a commercial interest in the Fraud
Global Warming/Climate Change are liberal left politics dressed up as science. In the UK the BBC/Met Office ( both funded by taxpayers) play a leading role in this con trick. It is as if Ponzi/Madoff and any other con artist have taken control of the economy.
China and India etc – who are not useful idiots like Obama and Cameron – must be laughing all the way to economic supremacy as the West kills off its industry, exports jobs, imports unemployment and massive trade deficits – all in pursuit of a falsehood.
In the UK it is regarded almost as immoral to question these falsehoods – as if one should feel guilty about believing them. Similarly- with membership of the EU, Green energy and uncontrolled migration – the bien pensants of the UK political class turn the questionning of these topics into a thought crime. Just like 1984
At 7:09 AM on 28 July, Michael had written:
With regard to the economy in these United States, the “Ponzi/Madoff…con artist” crew had “taken control of the economy.” Consider he Federal Reserve Act of 1913, f’rinstance.
So how could we be surprised to learn that the “Liberal” fascisti had simulated the appearance of “science” to advance their Watermelon scheme to further pillage and destroy that same long-suffering economy?
The first time I heard about warming, I immediately remembered a graph I had seen about the global temperature through millions of years. It showed that the earth was most often in the deep freeze state of ice ages with brief periods of warming that lasted only about 10,000 years. We were currently into an 11,000 year warming period. Therefore the chart suggested that a new ice-age could begin soon.
At the time, I was able to look up the said graph on the internet. I showed it to the person who was arguing for “Global Warming.” Her response was, “It does not matter who is right. If reducing CO2 gets people to stop industry from polluting the environment then it is a good thing.” Right there I knew that the movement was political not scientific. A short while later, I was no longer able to find that graph on the internet and have not seen it since. Later, the medieval warm period disappeared. And they began teaching “Global Warming” in my daughter’s grade-school. Unfortunately, many grade-school teachers are not big on science but are on big trying to be “good” people so they support what appears to be “a good cause.” Right or wrong, a generation of children has now been indoctrinated to this cause. Libraries may have Global Warming Skeptic books for adults but there are none for children. My own children have not been able to stand up to the peer pressure in their schools. They would rather be liked than right. I have stopped trying to convince them otherwise. They may turn me into the thought police.
Nevertheless, there are some many obvious daily observations that counter the claim of warming. For example an article that writes about how paleontologists are finding artifacts that are uncovered as the glaciers melt due to Global Warming. That means that it was once warmer than it is now. That is how the artifacts got there in the first place.
Certainly Anthony’s research into the poor siting of weather stations solidified my convictions that Global Warming was not what they said it was.
However, I was never really convinced about Global Warming because the only evidence ever presented was a computer model. Anyone who has ever programed knows, GIGO, which stands for Garbage In, Garbage Out. When I learned that people with the model did not let anyone inspect their program, well, that’s tells me right there they are not scientists.
With some 500-odd replies, it is likely that no one gives a rip, but on JoNova’s website, under “Weekend Unthreaded”, my post is #7 with a brief history of my path to skepticism. Rather than re-post here, I would send you there, if interested.
Regards,
Mark H.
Skeptic since the 9th grade, 1978, while learning about Soviet propaganda (don’t believe everything you read). In 2007, stumbled on Climate Audit and have regularly ‘checked-in’ spending hundreds of hours in search of the truth. Being an engineer certainly helps to understand the science. Anthony, you and Steve et al are deserving of many thanks for your tireless efforts in getting the truth out.
Steve D says:
“How do you explain decreasing temperatures in the stratosphere?”
How do you explain the stratopheric cooling hiatus since circa 1995?
Check out figure 1:
http://www.acd.ucar.edu/Research/Highlight/stratosphere.shtml
Back in 2009 John Henriksen asks @ur momisugly RealClimate:
“what would FALSIFY [linking CO2 to ‘warming’]?”
Schmidt answers:
”that the stratosphere is not cooling as expected (this is a cleaner test than the surface temperatures because there are less extraneous factors)”
http://www.realclimate.org/?comments_popup=2019Note
It would be interesting to see an analysis of this post. There are enough comments to tally up lists of the main reasons why people “became skeptical” of the whole heap of crap they have been shoving down our throats ad nauseum since the late 80’s.
As I mentioned above I never bought into the con at all and I highlighted reasons why this was. I’m sure there was a high increase in our numbers in 2009 when Climategate occurred but there must be other “catalytic” or penny-dropping moments. I know a lot of us of my vintage and older – 52 – remember the global cooling scare of the 70’s for example.
I’m pretty busy on other things right now – half of my family from Scotland are visiting me on holiday over the next two weeks – but I’ll see if I can do something. It might give us some pointers on how we can fight back.
Nearly 500 posts! I’ve been trying to keep up (-:
Besides initially noting that Global Cooling morphed into Global Warming and pushed by left-wing politics I’ve gleaned a few things from the data available on the internet over the years:
Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming CAWG tells us that temperatures will go up about 3.2°C for every doubling of CO2. The empirical record, HADCRUT4, tells us that the trend since 1850 is 0.8°C and the record says CO2 is up 40% since then. Were the 3.2° per doubling true, temperature should have gone up well over a degree. They haven’t. CAGW supporters say that’s because of a lag in the warm-up. Transient Climate Response (TCR) they call it. I observe temperatures going up way more than that on a daily basis with a lag of a couple of hours after the sun reaches its zenith and seasonally a few weeks after the solstice. They want me to believe the lag is 40 years for the CO2 induced warm-up.
Sea level is another big scare. We are regularly treated to predictions of multi-meter sea level rises by 2100. Simple arithmetic tells us that the current rate would have to average at least ten times what is is today for that to happen when there’s no indication of any acceleration necessary for that to happen. Besides the impossibility of such a rise, the data has obviously been manipulated. For example of the 1260 tide gauges listed in the Permanent Service for Mean Sea Level (PSMSL), CAWG researchers only use about 500 of them which just happen, by a wide margin, to have higher rates of sea level rise compared to the 760 they choose to not include. You can verify this by searching on the Church and White papers available on the net. Satellite altimetry of sea level has also been manipulated. Old data from available on a search of the Way Back Machine shows that in 2004 the rate of sea level rise was as low as 2.6 mm/yr. Today, that same time series 1992 – 2004 yields a 3.5 mm/yr of sea level rise. An increase of 0.9 mm/yr most of which isn’t explained.
Probably the scariest feature of CAGW is drought. We are regularly treated to photographs of dried up lake beds and dead animals. This is in spite of the IPCC telling us that in a warmer climate there will be more evaporation, water vapor and precipitation. Additionally NOAA’s Climate at a Glance web page has data, for the USA-48 at least, that can be accessed for a variety of time series and trends that clearly show that precipitation has increased since the 1890s. Fully 41 of the 48 states show an increase since 1900.
There are other issues, polar bear populations are only quantified if the numbers are going down, otherwise we’re told the data is insufficient. The ARGO floats initially told us the ocean was cooling, but Dr. Josh Willis changed the data and now those floats report ocean warming. We are told that when glaciers disappear, the rivers will dry up ignoring the fact that rain and snow will still fall in the watershed.
There are lots of issues associated with CAWG but not all have data that I can find on the net and examine. But because of the above, I don’t believe anything the CAWG folks tell me unless I have good reason to do so.
jai mitchell says:
”petition was signed by such astute scientists as Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse”
Really? Well, let’s see. I went to the petition project full list and searched duck.
http://www.petitionproject.org/signers_by_last_name.php?run=all
Results: Earl W Duck, Kenneth L. Duck, Earl E. Duckett, Ronald H. Duckstein Jr
So I white page searched for Earl Duck:
Earl W Duck
San Antonio, TX
Earl W Duck
Newark, OH
Earl William Duck
Newark, OH
E Duck
Toronto, ON
E Duck
Jacksonville, FL
E Duck
Dundas, ON
Well, it seems to be a real name. But let’s try that suspicious looking Ronald:
Ronald H Duckstein
Butler, PA
Ronald H Duckstein
Beaver, PA
Ronald S Duckstein
Yorktown Heights, NY
Ronald H Duckstein
Beaver, PA
Ronald Scott Duckstein
Yorktown Heights, NY
I searched for Mouse but there were no matches found.
I don’t know, Jai, but it would seem that it is you that has bought into a lie.
I’m a skeptic because I fact check. The alarmists always either get the facts wrong or leave out pertinent facts. Yes, every time and I’ve been fact checking global warming alarmism since 1994. You are no exception.
Jimmy Haigh. says at July 28, 2013 at 9:00 am
At July 26, 2013 at 5:50 am I wrote,
“It seems there are some common themes in these testimonies. Generally, the people here can be split into one or more of these types:
1) A science or engineering background that led to the confidence to research the science itself and found that there wasn’t any evidence at all. Just wiggle fitting of unvalidated computer models.
2) People who could tell that honest-brokers don’t act like Michael Mann or Phil Jones. The rudeness of the alarmist blogs has been picked out, especially Real Climate.
3) Old-timers who’ve seen apocalyptic warnings before (“the ice age is coming” as the Clash sang) and need a very high level of proof before accepting this one.
4) People who just doubted for no apparent reason because they just doubt every new claim. These people are very rare but are featured on this thread.
5) Right-wingers who didn’t like the collectivist policies promoted in the name of AGW.”
Since then everyone has continued to fit into one or more of these options.
And by far the most common is option 1seems to be researching the science itself.
But I haven’t done the numbers or considered false reporting and what impression people may want to create..
jai mitchell says:
” I do recall that only about 8 years ago it was “no global warming” and there is still a remnant of people who believe that the temperature data record is flawed somehow, that satellite measurements are the only way to go and that only specific satellite measurements from “trusted” sources can be used.”
There’s always some that go to the extreme i.e. no global warming or no GHE, but I think you’re confusing the fringe with the mainstream WUWT view. I would say most of us would contend that the temperature record is undoubtedly flawed but that also warming is evidenced by other metrics such as glacier retreat. Exposing UHI and other issues concerning the temperature record doesn’t necessarily assert that there’s been no warming but that the accuracy of any attempt at quantifying the magnitude of that warming is questionable.
However, I think you’ve pegged me with regard to the satellite data. Yes, I think the satellite data is more comprehensive and accurate and to top it off the people accumulating and processing the data haven’t succumbed to noble cause corruption. In short, I “trust” the satellite data and distrust data that is inaccurate, incomplete, and under the control of those that believe the world needs to be saved.
Jonathan Abbott says:
It is basic physics that adding CO2 to the atmosphere should cause some warming.
Is it basic physics though? I think basic physics can say CO2 is a greenhouse gas, but i don’t think it says adding CO2 to the earth’s atmosphere should case some warming, as you say it all depends on the feedbacks, so that moves beyond basic physics to a chaotic system.
I once sent Anthony copies of ATI’s release of UVa emails, identified myself from WUWT and declared my name. Very happy to email Anthony my name again, and he can share it with the mods if he wishes.
REPLY: I don’t recall seeing such an email, or if I did, making any connection. OTOH I get dozens to hundreds of emails a day, so it may just be lost in the noise. – Anthony
(Reply #2: Anthony previously wrote to you: I’m really rather tired of your pot shots here from behind the comfort of anonymity, where if you are wrong there’s no downside for you because you take the no risk hidey hole route. You were then asked again to identify yourself. Your one word reply: “No.”
Now is your chance, ‘barry’. Provide a verifiable identity, or remain anonymous. ~mod)
Hi Jonathan,
Thanks for your entertaining story!
To jump the gun, I still believe in a loose form of AGW (don’t stop reading, anybody!). After reading or skimming through hundreds of Climategate Emails, browsing through scientific papers and working my way through further hundreds of more or less convincing articles arguing all sorts of positions, I’m starting to feel a bit dizzy int he head.
What I have learned above all is to be careful. The problem is that a good speaker or writer (e. g. Chris Monckton, Al Gore) can defend almost any position, true or false. This doesn’t even need to involve deceit. Firm but mistaken belief will do. So, had I read just one single well-phrased article, rather than the many I have, it would have surely pushed me towards believing its core tenets –even in the absence of well-sourced information. In fact, I am almost sure that my early belief in AGW was based on just such an articles somewhere in the news, though I can’t now remember it. This is an unpleasant insight, because I have always seen myself as rational. But after reading “Thinking, Fast and Slow” by Daniel Kahneman my doubts about the reliability of human judgement, my own obviously included, are bigger than ever. We are not even close to being fully rational by nature. The more emotional a debate is, the harder it is to stay calm and unbiased. And I must admit that the AGW debate is far more emotional for me than any murder trial. What is most annoying: A completely cold, neutral, logical argument is harder to engage with than an emotional statement. So, the more rational I try to be, the slower my thinking goes. And I bet most of you are not much different!
Some useful principles/rules of truth-seeking (science):
1. Be relaxed and modest. Here’s the test: Imagine in detail that you are completely wrong and the other side have got it just right. If you can calmly consider this possibility for a minute or so without feeling anger, injustice, shame or any other sort of pain, you can be proud.
2. Be patient and rigorous. Don’t look for easy, flashy answers –in fact be on your guard, if anything flashy comes your way. Look for answers that acknowledge uncertainties and reason no further than they can.
3. Resist confirmation bias, appealing narratives, wishful thinking, overconfidence and all those fallacies. But that should follow if you can do 1.
Unfortunately I have yet to find a site that does all this. Instead, you need to hear both sides. This is why I have decided to receive Emails from both WUWT and Skepticalscience.com, as they are both among the most relevant outlets on their side of the argument.
Why and how I still believe in AGW? Split the hypothesis into four statements that combine to form a sufficient argument, if true.
1. Humans have caused an increase in CO2-levels from 280 to 400 ppm in the past 200 years.
2. This will probably to lead to an increase in temperature of X to Y (e.g. 1.5 to 4.5 °C), whatever nature does.
3. These changes together will alter the climate by shrinking glaciers and icecaps, raising sea levels, acidifying the ocean, possibly releasing methane from the permafrost, changing the weather patterns our food production is accustomed to all over the world.
4. This is strongly negative.
All are substantiated with references at Skepticalscience.com. But, as I say, that isn’t enough for me.
I am very confident of 1, but have yet to grasp the complexities of 2 and 3. Statement 4 I really don’t know. So why am I sure it is a problem? I am not, pure and simple. Nor am I sure it isn’t.
But I believe two things: Firstly, while many people on both sides of the debate have long left the high road (it seems to be contagious), it is not logical to say “Jones and Mann are funny types, so the whole theory is crap”. As it happens, I don’t think Jones and Mann have been soundly discredited anyway, but even then, Monckton also seems a funny type, as do Plimer, Delingpole and various others. The point is that there are also sound-looking types (e. g. Tom Wigley, Richard Muller as far as I can see) who propose AGW. Secondly, we would be fools to ignore even the moderately remote possibility of a global crisis. So unless we are very sure it isn’t coming, we should not focus our energy on the task of killing the theory.
Best regards from a skeptic warmist.
M. Courtney, thanks — that was an excellent summary of peoples’ motives to turn sceptical. They are a little more substantial than just “conspiracist ideation” 😉
It is also interesting to note that quite a few people went through a phase of self-doubting, of distrusting their own conclusions — which seems to be due more to social pressure than to the strength of arguments pro AGW. We don’t usually expect to find ourselves so much at odds with common received wisdom, and it can feel quite uncomfortable.
Also interesting to note the effect on many of “Real Climate” — which really looks like website of CPSU would have looked, had it lived to see the internet age. Real Climate must be one of the greatest foot-self-shooting incidents in history. It was one of my first stops when I started to research the issue, and from my complete failure to find anything of value there — it was all, “we are the experts and have no time to waste on morons like you, so you will just have to take our word for it” — I knew something was up.
Patrick says:
July 28, 2013 at 5:19 am
‘It’s a shame “Royals” and “actors” don’t keep what they think to themselves…’
It’s even more of a shame that so many people allow themselves to be swayed by them. It always makes me hum this tune: “I’m Just A Singer In A Rock And Roll Band”.
John B says:
July 28, 2013 at 6:23 am
“So the AGW thing was just part of the drone, so my default position was sceptic. But as the pitch got louder I took note and decided it was quite plausable.”
That pretty well describes my path, too. For a little while, I started to believe it. Then, I started pulling at the threads of the narrative, and it quickly unraveled.
Steve Case says:
July 28, 2013 at 9:01 am
“We are regularly treated to photographs of dried up lake beds and dead animals.”
Yes. Al Gore’s attempt to stoke AGW fears by showing pictures of the Aral Sea really ticked me off. Ironically, of course, the Aral Sea dried up because Soviet central planners diverted the waters. It had nothing to do with the natural climate in general, much less with CO2.
For me it was simple. I learned about the little ice age in 6th grade world history (Leif Erikson discovered N. America, et. al). When I first heard about CO2 global warming in the early 90’s, i kept waiting to hear how they determined CO2 was the cause and not a rebound from the LIA. I am still waiting.
I was sceptical from the beginning. An engineering background comes with a large BS detector. The large positive feedback mechanism is not likely in long term systems and I have wasted lots of time trying to model reality with computer simulators. Maurice Strong, Al Gore, James Hansen, AR4, and Climategate were over the top political and left a further bad taste.
Question now is how to reach the non scientific – how break the cult like mind hold on the gullible masses?
I have condensed the simplest shortest least technical argument that works with the non technical crowd. See http://climateequilibrium.wordpress.com/ This simple message is not new or profound and has been said many times by more qualified people but it places doubt in their minds which is step one in breaking someone free of a cult. Most people are relieved to hear that the sky is not falling but true believers are shaken to the core and take a month ot two to recover.
Feel free to copy, modify, distribute or provide feedback.
The next big thread like this should be personal stories about conversions and deprogramming the cult believers. Maybe we can do a reality TV show on CAGW interventions.
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I would also love to have your father return here. I don’t know what happened or was said when he “swore the site off” but I can accept that his reasons are his own. If he never returns, please tell him that he is missed. He doesn’t “owe us” his contributions but we miss them.