
Note: if the name below is familiar to you it is because of this article from Monday. This will be a sticky post for a day or two, new stories will appear below this one– Anthony
Guest essay by Jonathan Abbott
Please allow me to recount the details of my personal path to CAGW scepticism. I have never previously found myself at odds with the scientific mainstream and at times it feels quite odd. Perhaps others here have similar experiences? I am curious to know how fellow-readers came to their current views. If some have gone from genuine scepticism to accepting CAGW, I would find that especially fascinating.
My own story begins at school in England in the early 80s. Between playing with Bunsen burners and iron filings, I remember being told that some scientists predicted that we would soon enter a new ice age. This sounded quite exciting but I never really thought it would happen; I was too young then to have seen any significant change in the world around me and it all seemed rather far-fetched. A nuclear war seemed far more likely. Soon enough the whole scare melted away.
I grew up into a graduate engineer with an interest in most branches of science but especially physics. I read the usual books by Sagan, Feynman and later Dawkins (whose The Ancestor’s Tale I simply can’t recommend highly enough). I also dipped into philosophy via Bertrand Russell. I like to think this reading helped build upon the basic capabilities for critical thinking my education had provided.
I suppose it was in the early 90s that I first noticed predictions of global warming and the associated dire warnings of calamities to come. Some of these emanated from the Met Office and so I knew should be treated with a pinch of salt but other sources included NASA, which I then personally still very much respected; despite the space shuttle evidently being the wrong concept poorly executed, their basic scientific expertise seemed unquestionable. In general I was looking forward to the warmer climate predicted for the UK, and assumed that the overall effects for the globe wouldn’t necessarily all be bad.
Now, being English I knew all about the vagaries of the weather, but the warnings about CAGW always seemed to be made in the most certain terms. Was it really possible to predict the climate so assuredly? The global climate must be an extremely complex system, and very chaotic. I had recently heard about financial institutions that were spending vast sums of money and picking the very best maths and programming graduates, but still were unable to predict the movements of financial markets with any confidence. Predicting changes to the climate must be at least as difficult, surely? I bet myself climate scientists weren’t being recruited with the sort of signing-on bonuses dangled by Wall Street. I also thought back to the ice age scare, which was not presented as an absolute certainty. Why the unequivocal certainty now that we would only see warming, and to dangerous levels? It all started to sound implausible.
The whole thing also seemed uncertain on the simple grounds of common sense. Could mankind really force such a fundamental change in our environment, and so quickly? I understood that ice ages could come and go with extreme rapidity, and that following the scare of my childhood, no one seriously claimed to be able to predict them. So in terms of previous natural variability, CAGW was demonstrably minor in scale. It seemed obvious that if natural variability suddenly switched to a period of cooling, there would be no CAGW no matter what the effect of mankind on the atmosphere. Even more fundamentally, how could anyone really be certain that the warming then taking place wasn’t just natural variability anyway? The reports I read assured me it wasn’t, but rarely in enough detail to allow me to decide whether I agreed with the data or not.
The other thing that really got me thinking was seeing the sort of people that would appear on television, proselyting about the coming tragedy that it would imminently become too late to prevent. Whether from charities, pressure groups or the UN, I knew I had heard their strident and political use of language, and their determination to be part of the Great Crusade to Save the World before. These were the CND campaigners, class war agitators and useful fools for communism in a new guise. I suddenly realised that after the end of the Cold War, rather than slinking off in embarrassed fashion to do something useful, they had latched onto a new cause. The suggested remedies I heard them espouse were always socialist in approach, requiring the installation of supra-national bodies, always taking a top-down approach and furiously spending other peoples’ money. They were clearly eager participants in an endless bureaucratic jamboree.
Now don’t get me wrong: a scientific theory is correct or not regardless of who supports it. But recognising the most vocal proponents of CAGW for what they were set alarm bells ringing, and made me want to investigate further. I had always been somewhat sympathetic towards Friends of the Earth but much less so towards Greenpeace, by that time obviously a front for luddite socialism and basically shamanistic in outlook. I had deep personal concerns about the environment, having seen reports of terrible industrial pollution in developing countries and the former Eastern Bloc. I had also sailed across the Atlantic twice in a small yacht, and seen for myself floating plastic debris hundreds of miles from land. (I also saw an ‘eco warrior’ yacht in Antigua, lived on by a crusading hippy and daubed with environmental slogans. It was poorly maintained and leaked far more oil into the water than any other boat present.)
So I was quite passionate about the environment, but my focus was on keeping it clean and safe for all life to live in. I wanted people to stop overfishing and manage fish stocks sensibly, I wanted agricultural land to produce the best long-term yields possible, to provide enough food without encroaching on wilderness and wild spaces. I wanted people everywhere to have clean air to breathe and water to drink. I had hoped that the CAGW crusade would somehow also lead to more urgent progress in fighting pollution, and the other environmental issues I cared about. If anything it did the reverse. Why the absolute fixation on reducing CO2 emissions, why was it taken for granted that this was the only way to proceed? Where was the public debate about the balance between prevention and mitigation? The CAGW protagonists always came up with solutions that were anti-industrial, anti-development and always, always required more public money. Where was the encouragement for inventors and entrepreneurs to discover and develop new technologies? And most of all, why oh why not spend some of the huge sums of money thrown at CO2 instead on getting effective pollution controls enacted in developing countries?
It had become quite clear to me that the BBC and similar media organisations would never even discuss whether the science underpinning CAGW was really robust. It had simply become a truism. An occasional doubting voice would be offered a sliver of airtime in the interests of supposed impartiality, but a proponent of CAGW would always be allowed the (much longer) last word. But, if NASA kept having to adjust their course calculations as the Voyager probes entered the outer reaches of the solar system (an utterly trivial problem compared to the complexities of the global climate), how could the science possibly be settled as claimed? Surely the great joy of science is in admitting ignorance, in taking a finely honed theory and sharpening it still further, or even better in realising a fundamental mistake and stepping aside onto a new path? The claimed certainty itself seemed unscientific.
Then in 2007 I saw a trailer on television for the forthcoming documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle. I watched it excitedly, for here finally were people publicly addressing the science and the data, but drawing alternative conclusions to the mainstream. There was none of the usual hand-waving and appeals to trust the experts, who magically seemed to be the only doubt-free scientists in recorded history. The backlash against the program told its own story too, being mainly outraged appeals to authority and conscience.
Having recently become a regular user of the internet, I started digging around looking for more information and so, soon after he started it, I found Warren Meyer’s excellent web site climate-skeptic.com. Oh, the joy! Here were links to data I could see and evaluate myself; here was critical dissection of reports and papers accepted elsewhere without demur. From there, I moved onto WUWT, Bishop Hill, Climate Audit and all the other sites that have become part of my daily round of the internet whenever I have access. However late to the party compared with many regulars at WUWT, I could now see fully both sides of the argument.
When the Climategate emails were released, some further scales fell from my eyes. I had hitherto assumed that most of the most prominent scientists supporting CAGW were well intentioned but wrong, akin to those opposing the theory of continental drift. I have taken part in many lengthy email exchanges concerning technically complex projects, and instantly recognised familiar methods used by those playing the political and bureaucratic game, for whom the data is infinitely malleable in order to reach a pre-determined goal. I had fought against this kind of factual distortion myself.
Now at this point, I am sure some (perhaps many?) readers are thinking, ‘Great, an inside view of how someone becomes a believer in a conspiracy theory, perhaps I’ll base a research paper on this idiot’. My response is that like most people I have at times stumbled upon the real conspiracy theory nuts lurking on the internet. But on WUWT and other CAGW-sceptic sites criticism of the position of the website founder isn’t just tolerated but often encouraged. ‘Prove us wrong! Please! It would be fascinating!’ There are many articles and views published on WUWT that I treat with suspicion, or even downright disagree with, but it is all stimulating and usually well argued. Plus, I am an experienced professional engineer and know what real science looks like, and when people are misusing it as a smokescreen. Neil Armstrong was a great man, and most certainly did land on the moon. Right or wrong, WUWT is a site that considers real scientific issues.
So I now find myself wondering where we go from here. The global climate will continue to change, as it has always done, and although I tend to expect some cooling I am pretty agnostic about it. Nature will assuredly do its own thing. The CAGW scare is in the process of burning out, but I do not expect an outright or imminent collapse. I hope to see the deliberate manipulators of data punished, but doubt very much it will ever come to that. Whatever happens next, it will undoubtedly be interesting, and stimulate much discussion and widely varying viewpoints. This is good news, because it means that we are back to doing science.
Oh and one other thing, if it were just a bunch of scientists running around, feeding at the grant trough, I probably wouldn’t care. It is the inclusion of the socialists, faux environmentalists, opportunity stealing groups which really got me to actively campaign against the crap. They are the #1 threat to my and my children’s future. The opportunity cost associated with these groups is huge.
Gore also represents my biggest “hate” in life – Hypocrisy. Leveraging fear and ignorance for profit. (he’s on the board of Kleiner Perkins which has millions invested in the CO2 reduction crap) And because they products can’t make it on the free market, they have to utilize regulations/subsidies to gain market share. Thieves, all of them.
It didn’t take much examination of AGW to determine it to be a political movement. Yes, it started with an observation of a short-term warming trend, but the science quickly fell by the wayside. The movement has always been about a social, cultural, economic and political agenda.
furyforever, thanks for posting the alternative view.Sometimes the more extreme showboating of the likes of Monckton and Delingpole makes me wince too. But given how difficult it can be to raise public awareness that opposition to CAGW is even possible, I am very glad that they are out there doing what they do. To paraphrase Churchill, you need the roar as well as the lion.
I hope you keep reading both sides of the debate.
Jonathan Abbott says:
July 26, 2013 at 4:17 am
Gareth Phillips makes an interesting and fair point. In the context of the essay I didn’t make my position fully clear. What concerned me was the politicisation of the science. If the proponents of CAGW had been fascists and other right wing groups I would have been just as suspicious, and my language towards them would have been far more caustic than I used above. The corruption of science under fascism in the 30s and 40s was far more sinister than anything happening today.
The important point is that once my suspicions were aroused, it was still the science that decided me one way or the other, not the mouthpieces involved.
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Thatcher came to regret trying to use CO2 as a weapon in her battle with coal miners’ trade unionists. That was a mistake reminiscent of Imperial Germany’s sneaking Lenin into Russia.
Science has often been corrupted by regimes throughout its history since the Revolution in the 16th century. To you Fascist governments, add of course Lysenkoism in the USSR & the hideously destructive myth of “scientific socialism” itself. Now science has been corrupted on a world-wide scale by the UN & many of its member states.
To paraphrase, now we are engaged in a great global struggle, testing whether the scientific method can long endure.
furyforever says:
July 26, 2013 at 8:00 am
“My skepticism on global warming was waning for about 10 years because of so many” correct predictions made from the CO2CAGW hypotheses?
h/t “Froggy The Gremlin”
RockyRoad says:
July 25, 2013 at 10:42 pm
I’m a rock sniffer too. Another real one…
More info… I studied applied Geology at Strathclyde University in Glasgow in the mid to late eighties. Early in my first year the oil price crashed and the Uni was set to lose a lot of funding – from the likes of BP for example – and it was all doom and gloom. Some of my fellow students – and ex-lecturers – are leading lights in the CAGW game these days…
Good move to make this a sticky by the way.
Another way to spot the fraudsters/totalitarians and their “useful idiots”: They rarely have any respect whatsoever for free markets.
I once told a “useful idiot” that I only recycled aluminum cans (not glass, not paper, not plastic) because aluminum was, at that time, the only consumer garbage that recyclers were paying at least a modest price to obtain in small amounts.
His response was along the lines of: “So you only recycle what someone will pay you to recycle?”
My answer: “Yes” (without elaborating the logical reasoning that, if no one is willing to pay for an item of garbage, the odds are excellent that devoting the resources to recycle that item will waste, rather than save, overall resources.)
His response: Something along the lines of my being a Neanderthal, unthinking consumer/waster of the world’s resources, etc.
I learned some time ago that certain people are immune to the logic of the free market, so I didn’t waste my time trying to convince him otherwise. I just avoided such conversations with him in the future. He no doubt was one of the useful idiots who supported mandating that all of us, not just true believers, should recycle what he wanted recycled or face penalties for ignoring him and his ilk, regardless of the costs of doing so and the burdens placed upon the people faced with the mandate.
Highest on my list of tragedies generated by the lack of respect for free markets: Mandates to add corn-based ethanol to our fuel supply, followed closely by windmills springing up all over the country.
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jai mitchell says:
July 25, 2013 at 12:02 pm
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The author asked about how people achieved proper skepticism, not having their brain dissolve.
From 1983 till 1997 I worked with simulators, not only did I work with them I was an application engineer proving they worked, and their worth. I supported salesman for most of this time, doing demo’s, usually of customers tough circuits with Analog, digital and timing simulators. Many of these required models to be created, I also built an entire library of pre-configured logic functions for a digital custom asic.
I started hearing about GCM’s, their predictions of large amounts of warming due to feedback, and immediately because curious. Shortly after this I read an editorial in Car & Driver, talking about how a mere 4% increase in the carbon in the carbon cycle was the concern, that Co2 alone would cause maybe a degree of warming. that GCM’s were projecting 4,5-10 degree increases.
The pieces didn’t fit, what was being proclaimed wasn’t logical. Positive feedback loops aren’t stable, they “run-away”, because we aren’t Venus, this seems more like a modelers bias, then I read that modelers couldn’t get temps to increase with Co2, until they changed how water vapor was handled. Now the models sounded like they are just what the modeler thinks is happening, you can’t check it in a lab like the models I’m use to can be. I started reading theory of operation for some models.
I came to the conclusion that modelers could be right, or they could be wrong, but there was no proof.
I also became active in a love I had since I was a child, I’ve loved space, and wanted to look at the nights sky to see the marvels of the heavens. What I learned when I was a child, you can’t see this stuff without a really big telescope or a camera with long exposure ability. I got a 8″ scope. I had a digital camera, I became active in astrophotography. To reduce the thermal noise in an image you subtract an averaged set of “Dark” frames which are exposures at the same temp, for the same exposure time, but with the lens cap on. To match your “light” frames, I noted outside temps. After a while I became aware of how much temps dropped after the Sun set on clear nights. How can Co2 cause warming, when it doesn’t stop huge drops in temp over a hand full of hours.
In 97, I left the design automation industry, went into the Product Lifecycle field. Part of my job game me access to powerful database software. Could I find weather data to look at the changes to night time cooling? I found the NCDC didn’t have free hourly data (which I think is now available), but they did have daily Min/Max data, a lot of it. This search led to this work. I wasn’t 100% sure GCM’s bias was actually wrong at first, it was possible that their treatment of water was right, but my work on nightly cooling shows to me, Co2 is not the control knob, is not a problem, is not making it more than slightly warmer, unequivocally, the models are wrong.
What did I find on my journey? CAGW is rubbish, climatology as a science was hi-jacked by activists, they’ve poisoned true environmentalism, driven first world society into a ditch, and are still trying to drive it over the cliff.
Normally I’d just stay out of these kinds of “wars”, the pendulum swings around the center, when it gets too far one way, it’s pushed back to the middle. But these people, what they’re doing will derail society, will make my children’s life less prosperous than mine, what they’re doing in unacceptable. I found myself with skills that seemed pre-selected to look at at leased as a minimum GCM’s and large collections of weather data (NCDC has over 120 million daily station records).
The pendulum had gone too far, help was needed to push it back towards the middle.
My story is quite similar, just a little quicker. I was skeptical in school in the 1990 (How can they predict this dramatic warming when there has been only the slightest uptick so far? That is ridiculous extrapolation.). But then ‘trusted’ sources (e.g. BBC) kept hammering away that it is true and settled. Finally, probably around 2003, I decided to do a bit of digging (there must be some people who disagree right?) . Sure enough, I found some skeptics. Then while searching for a fix for a Windows XP issue, I ran into WUWT (for those of you who think that this is a climate skeptic blog, you are mistaken “Commentary on puzzling things in life, nature, science, weather, climate change, technology, and recent news by Anthony Watts”). Been here almost every day since.
furyforever says:
July 26, 2013 at 8:00 am
I decided there was a good case for climate change in part because I found too many skeptical arguments to be inferior. The cohesion of climate change arguments has a lot of credible research and although the skepticism is sometimes valid, it didn’t reach a point for me that underlines climate change as being explained better by a cohesive skeptical mechanism and data.
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I assume you mean catastrophic climate change resulting from man-made greenhouse gases, chiefly CO2.
As you know, climate changes all the time, but earth’s climate has in fact during the Holocene (especially since the last blast cold event 8200 years ago) been remarkably stable, more so than in most interglacial phases. The previous interglacial, the Eemian, was much warmer than our present one, without benefit of a Neanderthal industrial age.
Considering just global temperature, to the extent that it can be measured, the Holocene has ranged from a high of less than two degrees C. above present during the Climatic Optimum, c. 8000 to 5000 years ago, to about one degree lower during the depths of the Little Ice Age some 300 years ago. The Minoan Warm Period c. 3000 years ago was hotter than the Roman WP 2000 years ago, which was hotter than the Medieval WP 1000 years ago, which was warmer than the Modern WP. So right now we’re still well within natural variation, & appear on track toward the next glacial phase, as was feared by climate scientists in the 1970s.
Humanity has benefited greatly from the increase in CO2 over the past 150 years or so, of from about three molecules per 10,000 molecules of dry air to four (if you credit “consensus, settled” numbers of ~285 ppmv at the end of the Little Ice Age, c. AD 1860, to ~395 today). The human contribution is perhaps four percent of the total atmospheric CO2 concentration.
A correlation between temperature and CO2 seemed prima facie possible during the roughly 20-year period in which the two were positively correlated, c. 1977 to 1996, give or take, based upon data set. But now for some 17 years or so, despite a continued rise in CO2, global climate has stopped warming & in the least “adjusted” series, is cooling. Also, before 1977, climate was also cooling while enjoying rapidly increasing CO2 since 1945. So it’s hard to argue causation from the brief correlation.
There is IMO a warming effect from CO2, but it’s negligible & diminishes in strength as concentration increases. People do other things which tend to cool the planet, so science cannot truly determine what is the net sign of any human effect. In any case, it’s minuscule & insignificant.
Consensus climate science alarmism is based upon scary future scenarios which rely on positive feedback assumptions not in evidence, indeed shown false by actual observations, which in real science trump models. Climate sensitivity estimates of four to seven degrees per doubling in CO2 concentrations assumed for instance a water vapor feedback that hasn’t been borne out by observation. IPCC has lowered its estimates, which are headed into the zone advocated by skeptics all along, basically no net feedback effect, for an approximately one degree temperature effect from a doubling, ie from 285 to 570 ppmv.
So it’s hard to forecast catastrophe. We have seen the “worst” possible future in the past, & it wasn’t catastrophic. Under much hotter temperatures & with thousands of years more time, even the Greenland ice sheet didn’t come close to completely melting during the long Eemian interglacial, let alone the East Antarctic Ice Sheet. Scandinavia did however become an island, as Lake Ladoga & its sisters were connected by a sea even shallower than the Baltic. But St. Petersburg still has thousands of years to adapt, & would only need to if temperatures climb more than is likely & the Holocene lasts longer than the Eemian. Even in the worst case of 600 ppm CO2, the increased gas supply would fairly rapidly (at most centuries, not millennia) be absorbed by sinks such as the warmer oceans & more verdant vegetation. Science really knows very little about sinks.
Return to glacial phase cold however would & probably will be catastrophic, unless technology advances to an extent to allow us to accommodate it.
Humans have indeed affected our planet’s environment, as have other lifeforms in the past. But control of the climate is presently beyond us. We could continue business as usual & burn all fossil fuels conceivably economically recoverable over the next few centuries without being able to ward off the coming reglaciation of continental ice sheets & montane glaciers.
I’d be happy to provide references for any statements for which you’d like sources.
On earth day in 1972 my teachers told me that if we did not stop polluting the world would plunge into an ice age. I went home in a panic telling my father that we had to stop polluting. He just laughed and said people have always claiming that there will be an ice age or the world will fry and that every 20 years or so they change their mind depending on what is happening with the weather at the time.
Later I read in The New York Times that the ice age was coming. Then in about 1980 I read in The New York Times that the world was warming too fast and the cause was the same a what they said years ago would cause an ice age, pollution. They didn’t mention at all the ice age article or what had changed.
So I wanted to know which, if either, of these ideas were right. So I read every article in the Times that talked about global warming to try to figure out what was happening. There weren’t too many articles at first, but none of them convinced me that global warming was happening. Then around 1989 the stories became more and more. After a while governments started proposing plans to do something about it. Then it became serious so I started hunting down more and more information.
At one point I had heard about Sallie Baliunas, I even called her up and got her to come on a local Vermont Radio show to argue with this insane weather man who believed everything Jim Hansen said and then some.
The more I learned the clearer it became that whatever global warming man caused it won’t be very much.
Stefan the geologist – yep deindustrialisation is the aim thanks to our own Maurice Strong and his buddies – heres a quick bio
http://www.afn.org/~govern/strong.html
Thanks for this nicely written and inspiring post.
I always find it fascinating to hear the stories how fellow skeptics came to their view. Until almost five years ago I was a believer. The first spark was a burning question and a desire to know the answer, the real answer. It gradually led me to a skeptical view and after a while I found myself firmly on the other side of the mainstream belief, which became my new natural habitat. In the process I learned a thing or two about weather and climate. Finally I regained critical thinking (never to old to learn I guess). If I would have learned more than five years ago that I would find myself in the skeptic camp and even blog about it, I would never have believed it.
More about my story:
http://trustyetverify.wordpress.com/category/my-story/
Best start from the bottom of the page (oldest post) and work your way up (newer posts).
Michel
A couple more points.
Jai said:
“It turns out that, when looking at reliable historic temperatures we are already above the global level of both the medieval warming and the roman warming period”
Of course, we don’t have reliable temperature records from the Roman period. But I was interested to note, while read “The Cambridge Economic History of the Greco-Roman World”, the mention of olive trees (which are very temperature sensitive) growing at latitudes far north of where they can grow today. That is a pretty good indication that the temperature during that period was much warmer than today. The ability to have large and productive vinyards in Britain during that time is another indicator.
There was mention of the nuclear winter hypothesis. Some years back, I looked again at the TTAPS paper and was amused to note that the analysis of the burning of the world’s forests, which was the supposed trigger for the temperature change, had dismissed the creation of thousands of gigatons of CO2 from that burning as having “no measurable effect on the world’s temperature”. The “science” for these people obviously depends on the political point to be made.
First, I am a skeptic. It doesn’t mean I believe AGW isn’t real or not. I do not know. I do not think anyone “knows.” When I first heard of Cold Fusion, my father asked me about it (he is a real scientist), and I told him I thought it was hokum. I wasn’t skeptical, I flat out thought it was wrong. So my orientation towards AGW is different than that.
Here is why I was first a skeptic:
A) Can’t prove it one way or the other. There is no control group.
B) The earth climate system must be very complex, and claiming one “knows” from a single variable (greenhouse gases) seems premature. It seemed to me scientists were going from an “Aha!” moment, which is dangerous. If the earth’s climate were really sensitive, we would have serious periodic peaks of heat that fry everything, especially from natural occurrences.
C) As I was forming my opinion, I couldn’t find anyone in favor of nuclear power. Seemed like group think.
Since then, these views have been amplified as I read and study the material, along with understanding the nature of the (vocal) proponents. I’m still a skeptic, but only because “No one knows.” Simply because the people on the other side are acting in ways I view as biased does not mean they are wrong.
I’ve taught research at the graduate level. Once I realized that no reasonable data existed to support the theory, and that the computer models didn’t actually control for historical climatic variability, I realized it was all nothing but superstitious nonsense.
“Rod Everson says:
July 26, 2013 at 8:06 am
The global warming/climate change/climate disruption issue has never been about the environment or saving the world; it’s all about control.”
As in the days of Copernicus and Galileo, “truth” was about who controlled that “truth”, for the best part of 2000 years. A church, a religion. And we know how that turned out!
jai mitchell says:
July 25, 2013 at 12:02 pm
Another comment on this. The historical record is a joke, it’s anything but reliable. I know because I have a copy of it, I’ve generated aggregate reports from the data.
But if you know anything about data, which has been my profession for more than a dozen years, this chart says it all.
Yearly NCDC weather station record counts.
As an early GreenPeace member I soon became disillusioned by the non-scientific nature of this and other eco groups. Their habit in drowning out any opposing views with either name calling or bullying tactics made me skeptical from the start. The early global cooling scare then the switching to the global warming predictions, the convenient ignoring of the LIA and the Medieval Warming Period and the total lack of science has convinced me that CAGW is a fraud. To have an individual such as Al Gore warn me of his inconvenient “truths” and see that he has conned seemingly intelligent people depresses me. However, I will continue to ask warmists “what science are you basing your beliefs on”. And having the satisfaction of their gullibility when they call be a denier and cite the 97% figure and don’t use any data to support their claim. Welcome Jonathan.
Way back in the late 1960s (yeah, I’m getting pretty old) I remember legislation being introduced in California (of course) to ban the internal combustion engine. Since California obviously hasn’t been reduced to kings, paupers, and serfs driving oxen pulling wooden plows (at least, not quite yet) it should be obvious that that idiotic law didn’t pass. And, way back then, when the law didn’t pass, I thought, ‘wow, we’ve been saved.’
Well, I was wrong. Now those morons wanna do the same thing for the whole damn planet. In retrospect I really wish that law had passed. Think about that. No planes. None. Nada. Zip. Not a one. No jets flying into or outta the Golden State. Or props. No helicopters. No cargo ships landing at any California ports or harbors. Ok, maybe they could resurrect a few steamers, but that’s it. The railroads? Maybe they could electrify all of ’em if they had the time and money to string the lines. And there’d be no semi tractor trailers. Bulk shipments, in fact shipments of any kind, would be slashed. Did I say tractors? Sorry, we’re back to oxen pulling plows. And, of course automobiles would be verboten. That also would include taxicabs and ambulances. And, of course, all the extra hearses they’d need for all the additional people who would be kissing their a…s behind in that sorry new world. Maybe they could resurrect the Stanley Steamer but it’d be funny to see how spotless that alternative would’ve been. Did I forget anything? Oh yes; agricultural combines, earth movers, front end loaders, additional construction equipment of all kinds, portable generators, fire trucks and pumpers, chain saws… All of it – gone.
I guess I thought global warming was stupid way back then in my teens. But, unlike the UN IPCC, I don’t think I could’ve possibly peered 20 years into the future (and I really don’t think they can either) back then and realized such a thing as AGW would actually have been invented. In my wildest dreams I never would’ve believed that California Dreamin’ insanity would’ve been reborn and magnified so as to encompass the whole world.
Oh, do I wish that silly law had passed in California way back then. We would’ve seen the result so profoundly that any talk of AGW now would be rejected as the vicious, anti-human, gibberish it truly is. Now the world, just like with all the atrocities of the 20th century, will have to learn the results the hard way. If the world, at least, chooses to do so.
@Other_Andy:
I’ve been saying all along that the left is fundamentally reactionary: it oroceeds from authoritarian impulses, it clings to inhumane ideas long since discredited, it is infatuated with political-economic systems that have murdered hundreds of millions of people, it looks back to times of tyranny and slavery as its concept of the ideal society. The left is most positively NOT “liberal” in the classic meaning of that word – it is the opposite of liberal.
As to falling off the donkey on the route to Skeptical Damascus – I have always been skeptical of CAGW for all of the reasons other folks here have given – CAGW doesn’t make common sense on its face, the historical record proves that there are warmer times than now in the past and a net decline in temps over the last 80 years (not 15 or 17 or whatever!) all you have to do is look at commercial greenhouses to see the fallacy of runaway heating from increased CO2, the overtly leftist-reactionary politics of all of the alarmists, their shameless dishonesty and bullying of unbelievers, etc., etc.
I did undergo a conversion of sorts, however – at one time, earnest environmentalist that I am, I was supportive of alternative energy sources like wind and solar. But during 13 years in the employ of a municipal electric utility, I came to recognize and appreciate the enormous environmental DAMAGE being done by “alternative” energy sources – the slaughter of endangered species, the despoliation of landscapes, the destruction of habitats and the emission of a whole new set of pollutants – and this underscored the point that CAGW is not about the environment at all, not about saving the planet at all – it’s about totalitarian control, the infliction of hardships through unnecessarily high energy costs, the enrichment of crony capitalists at the expense of lower-income people, i.e., the transfer of wealth from poor to rich.
On all counts, CAGW is both ethically and scientifically indefensible – and odious beyond odious. It is a crime against humanity on the scale of the Holocaust, the Gulag and the Cultural Revolution.
Ed Barber,
It is interesting you mention cold fusion. The actual details of the process of nuclear reaction for this process has not been clearly determined (but there are several theories that seem reasonable, including Widom-Larson), but the actual process that was described as cold fusion has been proven correct multiple times. There are two major demonstrations that show large excess heating, at large scale, with COP >3. One by a company called Defkalion, and one by Rossi’s E-Cat. In fact hundreds of studies have shown the concept is valid. There is even a course now being taught at MIT on the process. Be careful when you become flat out skeptical (not accepting any possibility). I am a skeptic on CAGW, but not a flat out skeptic that does not admit the possibility, I just judge the best I can on best recent evidence, and could change my position if new evidence sufficiently changed the situation.
M Courtney says:
July 26, 2013 at 8:07 am
I will read what you linked at some later time it is far too long to read for me now. Thanks!
John Tillman says:
July 26, 2013 at 9:18 am
I must go to bed now but I hope I can re-read your post thoroughly later. I might actually ask for source material so I hope I can ask tomorrow. Cheers!
M Courtney says: “I quite like the left-wing solutions such as the idea of free bus travel for everyone.”
ALWEG consortium proposed to finance the construction of a major monorail system in Los Angeles, in return for the right of operation over the city wash’s. It would have cost tax payers nothing and to this day $0.50 a ride. Government said no.
We wouldn’t be in this CAGW mess if it wasn’t for the greed of government
I AM a hard core liberal which today the majority would label me a Milton Friedman conservative: