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Guest essay by Jonathan Abbott
Please allow me to recount the details of my personal path to CAGW scepticism. I have never previously found myself at odds with the scientific mainstream and at times it feels quite odd. Perhaps others here have similar experiences? I am curious to know how fellow-readers came to their current views. If some have gone from genuine scepticism to accepting CAGW, I would find that especially fascinating.
My own story begins at school in England in the early 80s. Between playing with Bunsen burners and iron filings, I remember being told that some scientists predicted that we would soon enter a new ice age. This sounded quite exciting but I never really thought it would happen; I was too young then to have seen any significant change in the world around me and it all seemed rather far-fetched. A nuclear war seemed far more likely. Soon enough the whole scare melted away.
I grew up into a graduate engineer with an interest in most branches of science but especially physics. I read the usual books by Sagan, Feynman and later Dawkins (whose The Ancestor’s Tale I simply can’t recommend highly enough). I also dipped into philosophy via Bertrand Russell. I like to think this reading helped build upon the basic capabilities for critical thinking my education had provided.
I suppose it was in the early 90s that I first noticed predictions of global warming and the associated dire warnings of calamities to come. Some of these emanated from the Met Office and so I knew should be treated with a pinch of salt but other sources included NASA, which I then personally still very much respected; despite the space shuttle evidently being the wrong concept poorly executed, their basic scientific expertise seemed unquestionable. In general I was looking forward to the warmer climate predicted for the UK, and assumed that the overall effects for the globe wouldn’t necessarily all be bad.
Now, being English I knew all about the vagaries of the weather, but the warnings about CAGW always seemed to be made in the most certain terms. Was it really possible to predict the climate so assuredly? The global climate must be an extremely complex system, and very chaotic. I had recently heard about financial institutions that were spending vast sums of money and picking the very best maths and programming graduates, but still were unable to predict the movements of financial markets with any confidence. Predicting changes to the climate must be at least as difficult, surely? I bet myself climate scientists weren’t being recruited with the sort of signing-on bonuses dangled by Wall Street. I also thought back to the ice age scare, which was not presented as an absolute certainty. Why the unequivocal certainty now that we would only see warming, and to dangerous levels? It all started to sound implausible.
The whole thing also seemed uncertain on the simple grounds of common sense. Could mankind really force such a fundamental change in our environment, and so quickly? I understood that ice ages could come and go with extreme rapidity, and that following the scare of my childhood, no one seriously claimed to be able to predict them. So in terms of previous natural variability, CAGW was demonstrably minor in scale. It seemed obvious that if natural variability suddenly switched to a period of cooling, there would be no CAGW no matter what the effect of mankind on the atmosphere. Even more fundamentally, how could anyone really be certain that the warming then taking place wasn’t just natural variability anyway? The reports I read assured me it wasn’t, but rarely in enough detail to allow me to decide whether I agreed with the data or not.
The other thing that really got me thinking was seeing the sort of people that would appear on television, proselyting about the coming tragedy that it would imminently become too late to prevent. Whether from charities, pressure groups or the UN, I knew I had heard their strident and political use of language, and their determination to be part of the Great Crusade to Save the World before. These were the CND campaigners, class war agitators and useful fools for communism in a new guise. I suddenly realised that after the end of the Cold War, rather than slinking off in embarrassed fashion to do something useful, they had latched onto a new cause. The suggested remedies I heard them espouse were always socialist in approach, requiring the installation of supra-national bodies, always taking a top-down approach and furiously spending other peoples’ money. They were clearly eager participants in an endless bureaucratic jamboree.
Now don’t get me wrong: a scientific theory is correct or not regardless of who supports it. But recognising the most vocal proponents of CAGW for what they were set alarm bells ringing, and made me want to investigate further. I had always been somewhat sympathetic towards Friends of the Earth but much less so towards Greenpeace, by that time obviously a front for luddite socialism and basically shamanistic in outlook. I had deep personal concerns about the environment, having seen reports of terrible industrial pollution in developing countries and the former Eastern Bloc. I had also sailed across the Atlantic twice in a small yacht, and seen for myself floating plastic debris hundreds of miles from land. (I also saw an ‘eco warrior’ yacht in Antigua, lived on by a crusading hippy and daubed with environmental slogans. It was poorly maintained and leaked far more oil into the water than any other boat present.)
So I was quite passionate about the environment, but my focus was on keeping it clean and safe for all life to live in. I wanted people to stop overfishing and manage fish stocks sensibly, I wanted agricultural land to produce the best long-term yields possible, to provide enough food without encroaching on wilderness and wild spaces. I wanted people everywhere to have clean air to breathe and water to drink. I had hoped that the CAGW crusade would somehow also lead to more urgent progress in fighting pollution, and the other environmental issues I cared about. If anything it did the reverse. Why the absolute fixation on reducing CO2 emissions, why was it taken for granted that this was the only way to proceed? Where was the public debate about the balance between prevention and mitigation? The CAGW protagonists always came up with solutions that were anti-industrial, anti-development and always, always required more public money. Where was the encouragement for inventors and entrepreneurs to discover and develop new technologies? And most of all, why oh why not spend some of the huge sums of money thrown at CO2 instead on getting effective pollution controls enacted in developing countries?
It had become quite clear to me that the BBC and similar media organisations would never even discuss whether the science underpinning CAGW was really robust. It had simply become a truism. An occasional doubting voice would be offered a sliver of airtime in the interests of supposed impartiality, but a proponent of CAGW would always be allowed the (much longer) last word. But, if NASA kept having to adjust their course calculations as the Voyager probes entered the outer reaches of the solar system (an utterly trivial problem compared to the complexities of the global climate), how could the science possibly be settled as claimed? Surely the great joy of science is in admitting ignorance, in taking a finely honed theory and sharpening it still further, or even better in realising a fundamental mistake and stepping aside onto a new path? The claimed certainty itself seemed unscientific.
Then in 2007 I saw a trailer on television for the forthcoming documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle. I watched it excitedly, for here finally were people publicly addressing the science and the data, but drawing alternative conclusions to the mainstream. There was none of the usual hand-waving and appeals to trust the experts, who magically seemed to be the only doubt-free scientists in recorded history. The backlash against the program told its own story too, being mainly outraged appeals to authority and conscience.
Having recently become a regular user of the internet, I started digging around looking for more information and so, soon after he started it, I found Warren Meyer’s excellent web site climate-skeptic.com. Oh, the joy! Here were links to data I could see and evaluate myself; here was critical dissection of reports and papers accepted elsewhere without demur. From there, I moved onto WUWT, Bishop Hill, Climate Audit and all the other sites that have become part of my daily round of the internet whenever I have access. However late to the party compared with many regulars at WUWT, I could now see fully both sides of the argument.
When the Climategate emails were released, some further scales fell from my eyes. I had hitherto assumed that most of the most prominent scientists supporting CAGW were well intentioned but wrong, akin to those opposing the theory of continental drift. I have taken part in many lengthy email exchanges concerning technically complex projects, and instantly recognised familiar methods used by those playing the political and bureaucratic game, for whom the data is infinitely malleable in order to reach a pre-determined goal. I had fought against this kind of factual distortion myself.
Now at this point, I am sure some (perhaps many?) readers are thinking, ‘Great, an inside view of how someone becomes a believer in a conspiracy theory, perhaps I’ll base a research paper on this idiot’. My response is that like most people I have at times stumbled upon the real conspiracy theory nuts lurking on the internet. But on WUWT and other CAGW-sceptic sites criticism of the position of the website founder isn’t just tolerated but often encouraged. ‘Prove us wrong! Please! It would be fascinating!’ There are many articles and views published on WUWT that I treat with suspicion, or even downright disagree with, but it is all stimulating and usually well argued. Plus, I am an experienced professional engineer and know what real science looks like, and when people are misusing it as a smokescreen. Neil Armstrong was a great man, and most certainly did land on the moon. Right or wrong, WUWT is a site that considers real scientific issues.
So I now find myself wondering where we go from here. The global climate will continue to change, as it has always done, and although I tend to expect some cooling I am pretty agnostic about it. Nature will assuredly do its own thing. The CAGW scare is in the process of burning out, but I do not expect an outright or imminent collapse. I hope to see the deliberate manipulators of data punished, but doubt very much it will ever come to that. Whatever happens next, it will undoubtedly be interesting, and stimulate much discussion and widely varying viewpoints. This is good news, because it means that we are back to doing science.
Yet another engineer here — Ditto!
Recent Tweet:
Yes, D, b/c we R adults.
Translated into actual English: Yes, DrillBIt-Dana, because we ARE adults we can address these issues on a rationale, factual basis and cite and actually express the reasons for our thought-out positions.
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Tucci78 says at July 26, 2013 at 8:55 am
Yes, I agree with you actually.
Politically, this is about the Libertarian/Authoritarian axis not the left/right axis
(Which simplistically is the Rescue the Weakest / Enable and Free the Greatest axis).
I am left wing but libertarian. I believe people are fundamentally good and do not need a Leviathan to hold them from the chaos.
Malthusians and any who believe the ‘tragedy of the commons’ is universally true are required to call on a Leviathan and are Authoritarian.
But as the political parties are aligned on the Left/Right axis many of the comments here have been conflating the Right with Libertarian. Not necessarily true.
For example, Graham Stringer MP is a Labour (left-wing) MP and was the only effective scrutineer of the CRU after Climategate. He is not a neo-totalitarian.
@M Courtney – this is not really the forum for the discussion, but at some time I hope we have the opportunity to discuss your description of being left Wing and Libertarian. I find many people saying that today (many as being more than expected, but not anywhere near a majority), and I find it very interesting, so am looking to learn more.
furyforever says at July 26, 2013 at 11:05 am
Thank you. It is far too long to read in one sitting. But it is fully referenced so you can see the spin is not inaccurate. Thus, I thought it was enlightening.
I was hoping you would read it in the next month or so. You don’t need to explain why you haven’t read it yet. How unreasonable must I have seemed to be?
Sorry.
This is just a blog conversation; I would think that a work demand would give more hours than this. I never expected you to drop everything and read it now.
@Ox AO –
Your self-portrait rather describes me as well – a traditional liberal who in today’s context is called conservative.
I think one of the strongest arguments against CAGW is the environmental catastrophe that it is bringing about – therefore all true liberals, i.e., in the classical sense, not of those who have stolen this title and so abused it by turning its meaning into its diametrical opposite, must oppose CAGW.
Ox AO says at July 26, 2013 at 11:11 am
So greed is good, eh? Because it is better to have economic corruption (that is open to all) than political corruption (that is open to only a few).
That is sound.
But is there another option?
Socialism is about giving people what they need from those who can give it. It is not about equalising everyone as Milton Friedman implied by assuming there was only Capitalism and Communism – excluding the middle. Socialism is just setting a bottom line that can’t be dropped below (especially in terms of opportunity) at the cost of those who can afford it.
Also, capitalism is not a religion. It does not have the keys to eternal life or even a better world – setting the downtrodden free.
It did not abolish slavery. That was Christianity – Evangelical Anglicanism. Capitalism found slavery quite profitable and so good.
PS. I think we are going to agree to disagree here.
But let us realise that our division in no way provides evidence for the cAGW theory. Therefore, we can still debate together, respect each other and maybe even support each other sometimes.
The effort to disappear the Medieval Warming Period from the historical record is what did it for me. I knew the historical record was actually very solid on the existence of the MWP, and Mann’s “hockey stick” and the shrill defense of it, and sleaze-pouring over the heads of all who questioned it, is what got me looking much more closely at what the so-called “consensus” was basing it’s narrative on.
As a practicing scientist (molecular genetics), I was aghast at some of the statements I started hearing in the late 1990s. Consensus, settled, etc. just didn’t have the ring of authenticity. So I started looking into data and the hypotheses that were being “tested” (since it’s tough to do a properly controlled experiment on the entire Earth), or at least considered. There didn’t seem to be many, other than the increasing CO2 would lead to some heating and then feedback would raise water vapor in the atmosphere amplifying the effect. Natural variation (which I knew from being married to a geoscientist has been enormous in scale historically) didn’t seem to matter. The notion put forward by the climate alarmists that “the observed warming has to be due to CO2 because we can’t (find) think of what else caused it” struck me as so incredibly unscientific that I couldn’t believe that anyone would buy into it let alone utter it without severe embarrassment. For a system as complicated and chaotic as the Earth’s climate to have no unknowns or uncertainty simply seemed preposterous on its face. This group of scientists relied solely on correlation, which is sometimes all one can do in a non-experimental science, but it seemed very weak evidence. Now that threadbare evidence has fallen apart. I stumbled into a Burt Rutan lecture on climate at the Oshkosh Fly-in several years ago after also finding WUWT and other skeptics. It was certainly comforting to find I wasn’t alone, although I am surrounded by otherwise skeptical scientists who find that AGW fits their world view so well that they cannot be bothered by evidence. Thus I remain closeted on this subject. The shennanigans exhibited in the climategate mess further underscored my disappointment in mainstream climate science. As a scientist, I am embarrassed to be lumped together with these investigators, who are no longer committed to impartial investigation of the world around them, but are clearly motivated by some other goal. They have damaged the entire enterprise, and this rubs off on all scientists.
Another engineer here, BS in Engineering Science & Mechanics with Nuclear option. Working at a company modelling power stations; one big current project is a carbon capture modification. It consumes 30% of the power output to eliminate SO2 & CO2 from the exhaust. What a waste. My rules of operation – never assume anything & follow the money. I so agree with most of the comments on this thread.
My journey was short and sweet. When I first saw the controversy I looked up the history of what had happened. What I found was the following.
1. The planet was warming.
2. The current models couldn’t account for it.
3. CO2, a greenhouse gas was increasing during the same period.
4. Ice core sampling showed a lock step between the level of CO2 and warming
5. Therefore it must be CO2 that caused it.
As time went on, the AGW industry started to blame everything on CO2. Any extreme weather event was an example of the destructiveness of AGW. Any rise in sea level was another example of the destructiveness of AGW. Future wars would be wage because of AGW. It became almost comical how any and everything could and frequently would be blamed on the increasing of CO2 in the atmosphere.
I then notice some things. The first chink in the armor was when more accurate measurements showed that temperature increased before CO2 increased. Since effect cannot precede cause, we suddenly had a problem. I found out that all these stories and peer reviewed studies that continually flooded out of academia that said warming was happening even faster than previously thought did not give us experiments with measurements that supported the AGW hypothesis, but rather climate models that were tweaked to make things worse. Michael Mann’s Hockey-stick was another warning sign. The AGW industry used his findings to eliminate the little ice age and the MWP. It seemed that with his study, we had a climate that never seemed to change for over 1000 years until we got to the modern age and the burning of fossil fuels. Mann needed to rewrite history and that is exactly what he did. The problem was that the techniques he used and his lack of transparency suggested he was hiding something. Things were getting contentious and the AGW crowd started to call anyone disagreeing with them names. Denialists was their favorite harkening to those who denied the holocaust. I also noticed the AGW industry never gave an inch. Every contrary study seemed to be paid for by the Oil and Gas Industry. As the AGW industry started to see some erosion of their support, they charged that the Oil and Gas industry was spending much more than they were which was absolute nonsense. Finally you had Climategate which cause the desertion of some of big name scientists and showed some very questionable practices by CRU. Their climate model was a disaster and we were supposed to rely on it.
Today I see the AGW industry struggling to survive. The biggest problem they have is what has happened to the climate. There has been no statistically significant warming in the past 17-23 years and a number of scientist are suggesting that this could continue for another decade or two. We had approximately 20 years of warming (1975 to 1995) which caused this industry to get started. In the next few years we will have as many years of no s.s.warming and it will be very hard for the AGW crowd to continue their crusade. Finally, today’s models have failed to explain the lack of warming. It appears we may be ready to go back to the beginning.
1. The planet isn’t warming.
2. The current models can’t account for the lack of warming.
3. Natural causes are probably the blame.
4. ….
“It is inherently clear in all sociological studies of global warming perceptions that the overwhelming majority of “skeptics” are white males over the age of 35 with above average incomes who come from a politically right ideology.”
Sorry, not in this case Jai. Well OK, white….female, over 65, low income (I’m retired), and I don’t HAVE an ideology! Not an engineer or a scientist either, and my exposure to physics and chemistry ceased at O Level. Even so I can tell that the whole idea of CO2 being the cause of dangerous overheating of the planet and massive rises in sea level, and that unless we all expiate our sins by switching to ‘renewable’ power the planet is doomed.
The Climate Changes,,,,,,period.
My personal path is simpler. I just don’t believe any chicken little scenarios, because they have always proven false. Especially when delivered as obviously slick and packaged BS propaganda from political blowhards like Al Gore.
Anyone and everyone should be able to see through the lies of people like Gore and Obama.
My year was 2007. Here’s my story:
At the age of 14 I remembered our swims in the river Rhine while environmental clubs told everyone the water was extremely toxic. The water wasn’t good for sure, but they clearly exaggerated the issue. I know, because my friends and I survived. Just spit out any water that comes in. Later, still a teenager, the Brent Spar affair in 1995 confirmed my view that it was in the nature of the the environmental clubs to exaggerate risks.
I did not take a position on Global Warming until 2007. Although I met more scepticism than alarmism in the years before that. Some examples: In the early 2000’s a colleague had pinned charts on the wall behind him. He explained to me that those showed a relationship between the sun and the temperature. Later, in 2006, our CEO assured a colleague that Global Warming was most likely yet another blunder from the enviro’s.
On a winter morning in 2007 I heard on Dutch radio that someone called for revoking scientific licenses for any scientist not accepting global warming. This was decisive for my view on Global Warming. Surely the near-evident truth does not need this kind of bullying. The enviro’s where clearly exaggerating again. Not untill years later I found out it must have been Heidi Cullen from the The Weather Channel ( http://www.epw.senate.gov/public/?FuseAction=PressRoom.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=32abc0b0-802a-23ad-440a-88824bb8e528 ).
And then there was Climategate in 2009. I’ve met WUWT in the weekend after November 19th and it has been daily material ever since.
Tucci78 at 10:21
Love the scenario you painted, very true.
A request:
Jai Mitchell says “It is inherently clear in all sociological studies of global warming perceptions that the overwhelming majority of “skeptics” are white males over the age of 35 with above average incomes who come from a politically right ideology.”
Almost fits for me: white, male, over 35 (just; not over 40 for a few years yet)… but I am a left-winger. Yes, I am a Socialist ! (eek)
Is it true that my gender and race influences me more than my thought out ideology? This is something I ought to investigate.
The theory has significant implications for my concept of freewill.
So the request is: Does anyone have references to the studies that show this?
This is a remarkably interesting series of responses. The article is far less interesting.
My own views shifted toward scepticism because a highschooler – my son – pouring boiling water into a clear glass measuring cup, remarked that the water was cloudy be the gas dissolved in the water was being forced out. That lead to an “oh, yeah!” moment, remembrance of college chemistry classes and a sudden flash of the temperature and CO2 curves from the Vostok ice core. The lag between temperature and CO2 already had me wondering. Prior to that the argument based on the experimental fact that CO2 absorbed infrared had seemed and the implications seemed fairly clear cut. After that lots of reading and gradually growing disinclination to agree that anyone really knew anything about how the climate “works.” Reading revealed the immense and dense jungle of disagreements about climate theory.
There isn’t any true broad scientific agreement about any phase of climate theory. There are “schools” of theory – rather like Classical Greek schools of philosophy, and they tend to denigrate rather than debate other schools. There won’t be anything like a legitimate science of climate until everyone sits down and debates and experiments until there is an actual agreement as to the mechanisms. That will in turn lead to a clear understanding of what can and cannot be predicted and how far in the future that such predictions can be carried. Personally, since climate is measured by weather records over long(ish) terms, and weather can’t be reliably forecast long terms except in place like the Atacama Desert, where Lorenz’s butterfly refuses to visit, until weather can be forecast, the potential for really understanding climate in a predictive manner is low to nonexistent.
Last hogging of this blog, I promise.
I wrote at July 26, 2013 at 5:50 am
I would like to update point 2 to:
” 2) People who could tell that honest-brokers don’t act like Michael Mann or Phil Jones. The rudeness of the alarmist blogs has been picked out, especially Real Climate. And the suppression of alternate views was clearly offensive to free thinkers.“
Oh, I lied. I’m back again.
But I had to recommend what Tucci78 says at July 26, 2013 at 10:21 am.
Moderators, Antony Watts, any other red flag to get noticed.
This post should be a main article.
It is Climategate in a nutshell.
philjourdan says at July 26, 2013 at 12:38 pm
Thank you.
Not the right blog.
Not the time for me, either. I’m coming, dear. See I am saying goodbye to the internet
But as a taster, consider that the lack of extremism between redistribution and unrestrained crushing of opponents means some form of intermediate system. My original example was providing free bus travel for everyone (paid via taxation) but not banning cars. If you want to drive you have the choice. But if you need to travel (commute was the word I used) then you should be able to.
Poverty should not restrict your opportunities. The cream does not rise to the top if there is a filter in place.
I missed Tucci78’s comment first time around. It is definitely worth recording in some way.
Like the Author, I fell for the “Next Ice Age is coming” scare. It seemed plausible then and the late Seventies were cold! ’cause we had to turn the thermostat down to 68 degrees when Gas prices soared to 56 cents a gallon. I also believed the “Limits to Growth” Malthusian dribble. The world didn’t freeze and mass starvation in China and India didn’t happen. So I didn’t fall for the CAGW scam.
Have you noticed the same people who forecast the “Next Ice Age” are now promoting CAGW?
H. L Mencken explained it, “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. ”
CAGW is dying. I wish they would die like the bad guys in a Spaghetti Western, but the death scene will take longer than DiCaprio in the “Titanic”. (I’d had some beer and had to go and DiCaprio just wouldn’t die. I eventually left and he was still dying when I got back. In the North Atlantic in Winter no less.)
Don’t worry! The same group will return with something equally dire. Sustainability and Agenda 21 are waiting in the wings. They have the advantage of allowing the promoter to hyper-ventilate while making dire sounding, non-falsifiable predictions.
.000380 constituant in the atmosphere Is the PRIMARY determinant of all future weather
This weather will be worse and it’s all humany’s fault
Absurd at its face
My story is very similar and yet when you look at the original theory of AGW and see how it has failed, yet the proponents move the goalposts to cover the whole field, yet we sceptics have maintained the same stance without needing to move anything and still get called the D word
Isn’t it is ironic that they have had to change their theory from #
Man add CO2 to the atmosphere, this reflects heat back to the earth and warms the atmosphere and when 15 or more years of CO2 pumping makes no more heat than before it changes to;
Man adds CO2 to the atmosphere, this reflects back to earth and disappears deep into the ocean where it will pop up one day and bite someones backside. It does this using some magical process that they cant tell us about probably because it is covered by the magic circle union.
The Detroit solution; look how *that* has worked out (Detroit has filed for bankruptcy as a result of their FAILED, do I have to say it again(?) FAILED socialist over-taxing (and other programs) to create freebies and gimmes for their citizens – 50 years of single party / socialist (dem) rule can and does do this. (Recall it was Rudy G. that pulled NY out of an imminent death spiral.)
The sad fact that appears to some of us is that some ppl just _will not_ learn b/c they are incapable of learning … the real reasons go deeper, e.g. due to either poor prior training / poor education or a dysfunctional ‘early life’ experience, or perhaps their ‘hardware’ just doesn’t work correctly …
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-24/detroit-numbers
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/12/us/for-detroit-a-financial-crisis-was-long-coming.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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Till 2009 I was not interested in the climate at all. I took the weather as it was, usually rain and sometimes a sunny day in my country. This changed early 2009 when I read an article by the editor of the science edition of my newspaper. Besides historical texts, I never did read in modern times such an irrational and fanatic text. No dissident opinions were allowed any more in the newspaper because the science was settled. I concluded that there was something seriously wrong, and because my newspaper had chosen to become a Vatican, I was forced to get my information from the internet. I gave my self three months and I was ready right before climategate.