How Environmental Organizations Are Destroying The Environment

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

The Washington Post reports:

During an April visit to the San Francisco home of billionaire and environmental activist Tom Steyer, who created a political action committee in March to target lawmakers supporting the Keystone pipeline, Obama noted that the issue of climate change “is near and dear” to Steyer and his wife, Kat Taylor.

“But — and I mentioned this to Tom and Kat and a few folks right before I came out here — the politics of this are tough,” Obama added, according to a White House transcript. “Because if you haven’t seen a raise in a decade; if your house is still $25,000, $30,000 underwater . . . you may be concerned about the temperature of the planet, but it’s probably not rising to your number one concern. And if people think, well, that’s shortsighted, that’s what happens when you’re struggling to get by.”

I loved Obama’s description of economic trouble, characterizing it as “if your house mortgage is underwater” … around my place, that’s what is affectionately known as a “First World Problem”. But it beautifully illustrates the close relationship between economic want and lack of concern for the environment, even among people with money.

In this post, I will discuss the link between CO2 alarmism and environmental destruction, and how the work of the big environmental non-governmental organizations (NGOs) like Greenpeace and WWF is actively harming the environment.

Let me start with the two most important facts in the discussion about the global environment. First, half the people on the planet live on less than $2 and change per day. That’s why I said having your house mortgage underwater is a “First World Problem”. People living on $2 per day don’t have house mortgages—most of them don’t own houses, or much of anything beyond a few rags of clothing.

Second, only developed countries have ever cleaned up their own environment. Only when a country’s inhabitants are adequately fed and clothed and sheltered from the storms can they afford to think about the environment. And far from cleaning up the environment as wealthy countries can afford to do, people in poor countries are very destructive to the environment. Folks in poor countries will burn every tree if they have to, and you would too if your kids were crying. They will eat every monkey and consume the chimpanzees as the final course, and you would too if your family were starving. They will bemoan the necessity, they don’t like doing it any more than you or I would … but they will do it. Here’s the border between Haiti and the Dominican Republic:

haiti and dr

Figure 1. Border between Haiti and the Dominican Republic. Guess which country contains eco-criminals that can afford to use fossil fuels, and which country contains nature-lovers who are dependent on natural renewable organic biomass for energy …

Now, given that poverty is the greatest threat to the global environment, the inescapable conclusion is that the only way the global environment stands a chance is if poor countries can develop economically.

And that is why the anti-development, pro-expensive energy stance of the large environmental NGOs is one of the great environmental tragedies of our times.

Here’s the chain of causality:

1. Climate alarmists, with the strong support of the major environmental NGOs like Greenpeace and WWF, declared war on CO2.

2. The method that they chose to fight CO2 was to discourage fossil fuel use by making energy more expensive, using a combination of taxation, legislation, international pressure, and expensive subsidies to achieve that end. Obama’s War on Coal, announced today, is just one of hundreds of examples of the wealthy NGOs and the rich governments working to increase the price of energy.

3. Since energy is development, expensive energy keeps poor countries in poverty. When the World Bank denies loans for coal fired plants in India, the poor suffer … but the environment suffers more. Until they can afford to use coal and gas, they’ll run the country on wood … I refer you back to Figure 1 for how well that works out.

4. Expensive energy slows a country’s economic development, and as President Obama pointed out, people worried about money don’t pay attention to the environment.

This ends up in a bizarre position—the actions of the major environmental NGOs are ensuring continued environmental destruction in the developing world.

I learned about the connection between poverty and environmental destruction in part through sad experience. I discussed my conversation with the indigent Costa Rican firewood seller, and how he was cutting his firewood in the National Forest, in my post on the parrotfish. Here’s the story of a longer and sadder interaction with poverty and the environment.

I live surrounded by forest now, as I did when I was a child. I draw strength from it. My stepdad was a logger, as was his father, and I’ve worked in the woods setting choker. I’ve seen good logging, bad logging, and downright criminal logging, and I’ve always been passionate about protecting the forest and about ethical logging practices. Here’s the view of the redwood forest from my deck earlier, still rainy today …

the trees at my house

For a couple years in the late 1980s, I was the Country Director of the Solomon Islands program of a development organization, something along the lines of “Save the Children” but with a more general focus. Among the projects I ran was the “Walkabout Sawmill” program. It was a winner. Instead of giving money for disaster relief after a cyclone, we bought some portable sawmills made next door in Papua New Guinea. We trained some teams of guys to use the sawmills, and sent them around to the villages to mill the trees that had been blown over by the cyclone. The villagers got wood, our guys learned to use the sawmills. Then when the project was over, we sold the sawmills on credit to the teams of guys, so that they could use them to log their own native lands.

Why was I glad to assist them in logging the forest? Because I knew that it was far preferable to the only other option, which was the rapacious Asian logging companies coming in and clear-cutting huge swaths of land. Because of their poverty, the Solomons were selling their patrimony, their incredibly valuable tropical hardwoods, for pennies.

And how did their poverty lead to the loss of their forests? I can give you the answer.

When a country is poor, you can buy anything.

For several years in the late 1980s I lived on a coral atoll near a large volcanic island with the most euphonious name of “Vella Lavella”, in the Western Province of the Solomon Islands. At that time the Solomons had extensive tropical forests full of very valuable hardwood. Overseas logging companies were coming in, paying pennies to the villagers for their logs, paying off the customs inspectors, and shipping away barge after barge of the treasure and the patrimony of the islands, their tropical trees. So I was happy to be able to offer the people the alternative of harvesting and tending their own forest.

So at that time, a Malaysian company made a move to get the rights to log all of Vella Lavella island. Some people said no, but there were some that wanted it. There’s a kind of local island council, with about five “Big Men”, local leaders, who make the decisions. People were passionate about the logging issue, as you might imagine. There was a meeting of the island council, and the logging company made their presentation. The big men, to their credit, voted the logging down.

So the company pulled out their wallets, and bought them off right there on the spot. After the folks had left, they declared the Council back in session, and voted the logging rights to the company. The only problem was, the results of the first meeting had already been entered in the official record.

Of course, it’s the Solomons, and these were local guys untutored in the criminal arts. So they just took some whiteout, and whited out where they had said “No logging”, and wrote the revised vote right over the old one.

When I heard that, I was both amused and outraged. So some of us got the Public Solicitor to take on the case, he was enthusiastic back then, it was before his illness. He ended up catching the disease that a lot of white guys catch in the tropics, it comes in a bottle and makes you feel terrible, but this was before he got sick. So he argued the case brilliantly and got the decision thrown out of court, we all cheered him on and felt like we’d won.

When the court decision was announced, the logging company did the obvious thing—this time they cheated according to the rules. They paid the island councilors off, but this time they paid them before the council meeting, so there was no need to change the official record … I was mondo bummed, as were my local friends.

So that inexpensive purchase of the island councilors, I heard it was ten grand US$ per man, gave the logging company the right to negotiate a contract with the locals if they wanted to sign. One afternoon, some of the young Vella Lavella guys made the trip over to the island where I lived to ask if I would help them. I bought the beers, and we talked about the logging company. They said that they’d been agitating to convince the people to keep the company out and take care of their own forests. But the sentiment among the people was against them. They wanted the easy money, just sit back and let the company do the work.

So they asked me, would I look at the contract and tell them what it was that logging company wanted them to sign? I said sure, and they gave me a copy of the accursed document.

My friends, I’ve seen some sly, crafty ways to cheat and cozen someone with a pen and a piece of paper, but this one fair reeked of sulfur. Inside it, black was white and white black. Outrageous things were proposed as though it would be of benefit to the local folks.

And the logging regulations themselves in the contract were abysmal. A 100-metre setback from streams and watercourses is considered the minimum to protect the waterways from sedimentation. They proposed a 10-metre setback and claimed they were doing it out of concern for the environment. Nor was there any limit to the gradient which they could log. Usually, steep slopes are protected from logging because the erosion and landslides are so damaging … they had no protection for them at all.

Then there were the penalties for felling a tree outside the designated area … ten dollars US per tree. At that time the Solomons hardwood, when milled and dried, was worth about US$1,400 per cubic meter, and some of the trees had three or more cubic metres. That meant if the loggers spied a valuable tree that was not on the land they were allowed to log, they could fell it, pay the locals $10 for it, and sell it for five thousand dollars

But we’re nowhere near done. Then there was the little matter of the price. This, the company said, was the best part of the deal. Elsewhere in the Solomons people were only getting three dollars a cubic metre, but this company, from the goodness of their hearts, was offering no less that $10 per cubic metre …

Then there were the roads. One huge benefit of a properly managed logging operation is that the local people end up with roads connecting the coastal villages with the interior lands.

Or it can be a huge curse, because if the roads are not properly designed and constructed, then they wash out in the tropical rains and the roadways erode into open cuts and the land takes years to recover.

Well, this document pointed all of that out. It talked about the various quality of roads, from the logging roads in the interior all the way up to paved roads along the coast. There were pages of road specifications, and lovely black-and-white pictures of asphalt highways running by tropical beaches, with only one small problem.

The document described the roads, and the places that they planned to use them, and how well made they would be … but nowhere in the whole document did they actually agree to build one single metre of road, paved or not. It was all just a smoke screen, they promised nothing.

So I went over the whole document and marked it up. Then I met up with the guys again, and we went over the whole thing, clause by clause. I’d re-written about two-thirds of the clauses, and I’d worked with my friend the Public Solicitor, and we’d put together a document that would be a good deal for the locals. The loggers would still make out, but like businessmen, not like highway robbers.

It was a long meeting, the guys had lots of questions, and we discussed each and every clause so they knew why I’d made the changes, and what the changes meant to them. After previous discussions with a couple of the guys, we’d also added a section setting up a trust for the majority of the money, so it wouldn’t all get spent on beer and outboards and be gone in six months. They were very much in favor of that, they’d seen money pissed away before.

Then they were ready to meet with the representatives of the loggers. They asked me if I’d come with them to the meeting. I said I couldn’t … another expatriate that I knew had gone mano-a-mano with the loggers a few months before, and within a week his work permit had been pulled, and he had to leave the country. I couldn’t risk losing my work permit, but I said I knew they could do it, they understood the issues.

They asked, could they meet in one of the guest houses that I rented out on the island? I said sure, no problem. They could have the meeting, and spend the night, go back to Vella the next day.

So the big night came for the meeting. Everyone showed up, loggers and islanders. I played the genial host, and left them to discuss the fate of the forest.

And in the morning? They all came out, shamefaced. I took one look, and my heart sank. I asked one of the old guys, one of the big men, what had happened. “Oh, the logger men were very nice! Can you imagine, they gave us a whole case of Black Label whiskey. They explained the contract, and it sounded wonderful, so we signed it” … oh, man, my blood was angrified mightily and I was in grave danger of waxing wroth … but I knew the old man, and he wasn’t a bad guy, just weak. So I curbed my tongue and shook my head, and I said that his sons might approve, but his grand children would wonder why he sold their birthright for pennies … then I went and talked to the young guys. They said they couldn’t stop it, once the big men were drunk they got combative and wouldn’t listen to anyone and they would have signed anything.

At first I was furious with the logging company, for being so sleazy and underhanded as to get them to sign drunk.

Then I thought, “Wait a minute …”. I thought, these Big Men are not American Indians who never tasted firewater in their life. They’ve all been drunk before, probably during that very same week. They know damned well what it does to your judgement. So then I was angry at them.

But then I thought no, they were just weak and overawed by lack of education and experience and money. The logging company sent in educated, smooth, charming guys wearing fine, expensive clothing and flashing lots of gold, big rings, chains. The big men were all dressed alike—shorts and t-shirts, brought in used or factory seconds in bundles from Australia. I realized that rather than get embarrassed by their predictable inability to negotiate with the loggers, they had taken the easy way out and gotten drunk.

Then I was angry at the young guys, for not standing up against the big men … that lasted about long enough to realize that under unbreakable tribal custom, they were expected and forced to defer to their elders, just as they would expect and demand that same deference when they got really, really old … like say fifty … life is short there.

It took a while, but I finally realized that unless and until the poor countries get to where people are adequately fed and clothed and housed, they would always be at the mercy of those kinds of greedy and amoral groups of men that have been with us forever …

And at the end of the day, I realized that I was on a fool’s errand. Oh, I’d fight the fight again, in a minute, but I’d lose again. It’s what happens when big money hits a poor country—the environment gets screwed, whether it’s logging, fishing, or mining. Until the country is wealthy enough to feed its citizens and to protect itself, its resources are always on sale to the lowest bidder … by which I mean the bidder with the lowest morals.

Now, I started this sad tale for a reason, to give substance to the damage that poverty does to the environment. When you can buy an island council for ten grand a man and there are literally millions of dollars at stake, that council will get bought no matter how hard I fight against it. Per capita GDP in the Solomons is about $600 annually, it’s classed as an “LDC”, a Least Developed Country … and in a country where ten thousand dollars is almost twenty years wages, you can buy many people for ten large …

That is one of the main reasons that I’ve spent a reasonable amount of time working overseas trying to alleviate global poverty. I do it for the people first, but I do it for the environment second.

And that is why I feel so personally betrayed by the current mindless push for expensive energy, a push led by the very organizations I’ve supported because back in the day, they actually used to be for the environment, not against it. Raising energy prices is the most regressive taxation I know of. The poorer you are, the harder you are hit by rising energy costs, and the more the poor suffer, the more the environment bears the brunt.

So this is where I came in, explaining about how people fighting against CO2 hurt the environment. Let me repeat the links in the chain:

1. Led in part by the environmental NGOs, many people and governments have declared war on CO2.

2. Their preferred method of warfare is to raise energy prices, through subsidies, bans, taxes, renewable energy requirements, pipeline refusals, and the like.

3. The rise in energy prices both impoverishes the poor and prevents the development of poor countries.

4. As Obama pointed out, even wealthy people with economic worries tend to ignore the environment … so stomping on the development possibilities of poor countries by raising energy prices is a guarantee of years of environmental damage and destruction.

I say that history will not look kindly on those people and organizations who are currently impoverishing the poor and damaging the environment in a futile fight against CO2, even if the perpetrators are wealthy and melanin-deficient and just running over with oodles of good intentions …

My regards to each of you, keep fighting the good fight. I’ve had a rat-free day, and so all’s well with the world,

w.

[UPDATE: For those who would like a bit more information on the connections between poverty and the environment that have lead to the photo shown in Figure 1, in 1960 Haiti and the Dominican Republic had the same per-capita real gross domestic product (GDP), They also had very similar physical conditions, as they share the same island.

By 2012, however, the per-capita GDP in the DR had about grown to about $9,600 per year (PPP) … and the per-capita GDP in Haiti had shrunk to about $1,200, less than it was in 1960. And as a result of the Haitians having almost no money at all, only an eighth of the GDP of the DR, both the people and the environment of Haiti have suffered badly.

As a benchmark for comparison, Norway has a per-capita GDP (PPP) of about $60,000, and the US, about $49,000. At the other end of the scale, the Solomon Islands, classed as one of the “Least Developed Countries” in the UN rankings, is also quite poor. It has a per-capita GDP about twice that of Haiti (and a quarter of that of the DR), at around $2,500. -w.]

UPDATE2: I wanted independent confirmation of the photo in Figure 1, because that could have been just one local patch given the small scale of the photo. So, I decided to check it out on Google Earth. While the entire border between Haiti and the Dominican Republic is not like Figure 1, there are large swaths in the northern part which are, for example:

Haiti_DomRepub_deforestation

– Anthony

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catweazle666
June 26, 2013 6:19 am

Meanwhile, Indonesia is destroying its rain forests to supply the subsidised European Union thirst for as much palm oil as they can lay their hands on to convert to biodiesel. The EU has of course given its blessing to this, ruling that palm oil plantations are ecologically equivalent to rain forests, and imposing zero sanctions on the “illegal” (unless you have a thick brown envelope to donate to the appropriate authority) slash and burn strategies, the smoke from which is destroying the environment and destroying the health of the inhabitants of neighbouring Singapore.
Naturally, the cultivation, refining and conversion of palm oil to motor fuel creates extra CO2, but who cares, when pockets are getting lined.

beng
June 26, 2013 6:35 am

Again, great post & responses. Good forestry practices (it took a long time) around here in western MD have produced healthy, diverse stands & good wood production to boot (although an overpopulation of deer). Thoughtful & restrained harvesting is the key. Clear-cut oak/hickory stands re-sprout from the stumps & recover quickly.
Funny tho, where are all the resident trolls? Not even an acknowledgement?

ralfellis
June 26, 2013 6:39 am

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Willis Eschenbach says: June 26, 2013 at 12:10 am
I heard Klaus speak once, haven’t read him,
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One unmissable speech of Vacav Klaus is when he addressed the EU parliament and called for greater democracy and a viable opposition party in the parliament.
And the reaction of these great democratisers of Europe in the EU parliament, to this fine speech was?? Yes, you guessed it, they booed him and walked out. This one video sums up everything that is wrong with the EU parliament and the facist bureaucracy it controls.

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Gail Combs
June 26, 2013 6:42 am

Great Post Willis as usual.
I would like to add this to the mix.
Just WHO are the NGOs? We hear about Organic Consumers, Food and Water Watch, WWF, Greenpeace and all the rest. We see the facade/propaganda they put out to entice the masses of sheeple to join and then they state they ‘Represent’ the ‘Voice’ of XXXXXXXXXX number of people (AARP does this to old folks too)
The key question is do you as a member VOTE? And the answer is NO.
So who actually controls these organizations that supposedly represent ‘The people’s Voice’
Activists and NGOs
Several years ago I looked into NGOs because of the WTO/Food/Animal ID issue and found the directors of Organic Consumers were well tied via grants to the Rockefeller foundations.
Here is some relevant stuff from my notes. (The links may no longer work)
BACKGROUND:
From a history blog:

Ignoring Elites, Historians Are Missing a Major Factor in Politics and History
“… Over the last quarter-century, historians have by and large ceased writing about the role of ruling elites in the country’s evolution. Or if they have taken up the subject, they have done so to argue against its salience for grasping the essentials of American political history. Yet there is something peculiar about this recent intellectual aversion, even if we accept as true the beliefs that democracy, social mobility, and economic dynamism have long inhibited the congealing of a ruling stratum. This aversion has coincided, after all, with one of the largest and fastest-growing disparities in the division of income and wealth in American history….Neglecting the powerful had not been characteristic of historical work before World War II. ” http://hnn.us/roundup/archives/11/2005/3/#11068

Remember the Students for a Democratic Society on campus when you were in college?

The ‘Innocents’ Clubs’
“…During the 1920’s and most of the 1930’s Münzenberg played a leading role in the Comintern, Lenin’s front for world-wide co-ordination of the left under Russian control. Under Münzenberg’s direction, hundreds of groups, committees and publications cynically used and manipulated the devout radicals of the West….Most of this army of workers in what Münzenberg called ‘Innocents’ Clubs’ had no idea they were working for Stalin. They were led to believe that they were advancing the cause of a sort of socialist humanism. The descendents of the ‘Innocents’ Clubs’ are still hard at work in our universities and colleges. Every year a new cohort of impressionable students join groups like the Anti-Nazi League believing them to be benign opponents of oppression…” http://www.heretical.com/miscella/munzen.html

THE ORIGINS OF NGOs
Remember Maurice Strong, Chair of the First Earth Summit in 1972 that started CAGW? The guy who said “…current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class…are not sustainable. A shift is necessary toward lifestyles less geared to environmentally damaging consumption patterns….” in his opening remarks at Earth Summit II in 1992.
In brief Maurice Strong worked in Saudi Arabia for a Rockefeller company, Caltex, in 1953. He left Caltex in 1954 to worked at high levels in banking and oil. By 1971, he served as a trustee for the Rockefeller Foundation, and in 1972 was Secretary-General of the U.N. Conference on the Human Environment. He was Co-founder of the WWF and Senior Advisor to the World Bank and the UN.
Strong’s early work with YMCA international “…may have been the genesis of Strong’s realization that NGOs (non-government organizations) provide an excellent way to use NGOs to couple the money from philanthropists and business with the objectives of government.” http://sovereignty.net/p/sd/strong.html

“Very few of even the larger international NGOs are operationally democratic, in the sense that members elect officers or direct policy on particular issues,” notes Peter Spiro. “Arguably it is more often money than membership that determines influence, and money more often represents the support of centralized elites, such as major foundations, than of the grass roots.” The CGG [Commission on Global Governance] has benefited substantially from the largesse of the MacArthur, Carnegie, and Ford Foundations…. http://www.afn.org/~govern/strong.html

So do not be surprised that the NGOs are not in actual fact concerned about the environment because they are not. They are just a smoke screen and a method to corral young activists who truly do care and neutralize them.

Green Veneer: WWF Helps Industry More than Environment
The WWF is the most powerful environmental organization in the world and campaigns internationally on issues such as saving tigers and rain forests. But a closer look at its work leads to a sobering conclusion: Many of its activities benefit industry more than the environment or endangered species….

A view of WWF from theperspective of an African: The White Man’s Game
And to think I used to donate my hard earn cash to them when I was young and naive….

MarkW
June 26, 2013 6:42 am

Way too many environmentalists are more anti-people, than they are pro-environment.

David L. Hagen
June 26, 2013 6:43 am

Willis
Compliments on laying out the plight of the poor at the hands of mother earth worshipers and the unprincipled rich.
I endorse Chad Wozniak’s recommendation to understand the key policy and political drivers of environmentalism exposed in Vaclav Klaus‘s, Blue Planet in Green Shackles. What Is Endangered: Climate or Freedom?
From his life long confronting communism, Klaus exposes:

The largest threat to freedom, democracy, the market economy, and prosperity at the end of the 20th and at the beginning of the 21st century is no longer socialism or communism. It is, instead, the ambitious, arrogant, unscrupulous ideology of environmentalism. This ideological stream has recently become a dominant alternative to those ideologies that are consistently and primarily oriented toward freedom. It is a movement that intends to change the world radically regardless of the consequences (at the cost of human lives and severe restrictions on individual freedom). It intends to change humankind, human behavior, the structure of society, the system of values – simply everything. . . .

These are further amplified in articles by The Cornwall Alliance.

wsbriggs
June 26, 2013 6:48 am

When Willis speaks, people listen. At least those of us who aren’t convinced that “The Authorities” are on top of it.
The stark dichotomy between Willis’ words and those of the erstwhile American President and those of his opponents highlights the ignorance of the political elite of both parties. One side will clean up the planet if they have to destroy it to do it, the other will have jobs regardless of the costs. There is another way.

ralfellis
June 26, 2013 6:49 am

Allan M says:
June 26, 2013 at 2:08 am
Didn’t someone once write “the love of money is the root of all evil” ?
St. Paul (1 Timothy 6:10). But a better tranlation is: “the love of money is (at) the root of all kinds of evil.”
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Yes, but when Ananias and his wife Sapphira did not give all their money to the disciples, St Peter murdered them both. See Acts 5. Some morality tale, that one.
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theBuckWheat
June 26, 2013 7:02 am

“Yes, but when Ananias and his wife Sapphira did not give all their money to the disciples, St Peter murdered them both. See Acts 5. Some morality tale, that one.”
Oh please! It is yet early in the day and the first shift is busy torturing the truth in earnest. Peter did not “murder” anyone. This couple were judged by God for coveting, theft and lies, all violations of the Ten Commandments. (The same sins that socialism is based on).

ferdberple
June 26, 2013 7:10 am

Grey Lensman says:
June 26, 2013 at 1:41 am
To date none of those burning Sumatra and bringing South East Asia to its knees have been arrested let alone charged.
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The companies involved are all well known. However, they don’t do the burning. It is done by very poor people in return for a couple of $$. In this fashion the companies are above prosecution.
However, it is easily stopped. In 1998 Malaysia hosted the Commonwealth Games. The Haze as it is called was fierce. You could hardly see 100 yeards and everyone had a cough. The Games were at risk of being cancelled.
Then the Malaysian Prime Minister, Dr. Mahathir bin Mohamad announced that the Haze had to end. And within a couple of weeks the air was clear and the Games went ahead 4 weeks after his announcement.
Everyone knows who owns the oil palm plantations. Everyone knows how much money is involved. Everyone knows how bad the Haze is and how much problems it causes. And everyone accepts it as a necessary evil. Everyone that has the power to stop it.

June 26, 2013 7:11 am

Goverments are using CAGW as an excuse for internationally controlling the use of fossil fuels in order to control the world’s economy. NGOs will make money from “carbon credits” like not burning trees.

DirkH
June 26, 2013 7:39 am

ralfellis says:
June 26, 2013 at 6:49 am
“Allan M says:
June 26, 2013 at 2:08 am
Didn’t someone once write “the love of money is the root of all evil” ?
St. Paul (1 Timothy 6:10). But a better tranlation is: “the love of money is (at) the root of all kinds of evil.”
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Yes, but when Ananias and his wife Sapphira did not give all their money to the disciples, St Peter murdered them both. See Acts 5. Some morality tale, that one.”
I checked. They died of natural causes.

herkimer
June 26, 2013 7:41 am

Obama’s phoney war on carbon dioxide is driving up the cost of energy in United States while countries that it competes with like Japan, Germany and China just increase their import of US coal .
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/25/coal-industry-exports-obama/2455903/

cwon14
June 26, 2013 7:55 am

Until the skeptic message is completely and openly a denunciation of leftist state expansionism through Green meme(s) “logic” arguments alone are going to lose.
Worth exploring;
* Populist hatred of carbon interests dating back to J.D. Rockefeller.
* Direct linking of science fraud AGW to political currency.
* Anti-capital and industrial sentiment in the general society.
* Academic and media concentration of left-wing/Green interests.
* Timid political response culture of the skeptic community as a rule.
* Totalitarian declines and inclinations associated with leftist political culture and private sector weakness. Government expansion since the Civil War leading to this moment of decline.
We’re a top-down socialist society, this is probably the largest confirmation and reinforcement since the 08’s financial “crisis” (engineered by government failure) and the existing “solution” managed by the same parties. Spaghetti graphs aren’t going to win near term and longer-term (we may already be there) logic and science will have little impact at all. We’re on the Soviet model at the moment.

ferdberple
June 26, 2013 7:57 am

theBuckWheat says:
June 26, 2013 at 7:02 am
This couple were judged by God
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No doubt it helped boost donationations to have God “judge” those that held back. The tradition continues even to this day, mostly on Sunday’s. Truly the road to salvation is paved with gold.

ferdberple
June 26, 2013 8:16 am

herkimer says:
June 26, 2013 at 7:41 am
countries that it competes with like Japan, Germany and China just increase their import of US coal .
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That is because the CO2 from US coal exports is like jobs. It stay in those other countries and doesn’t return to the US. Therefore, the US can export coal because it doesn’t increase CO2. We know this is true because the EPA passed a regulation declaring it true. Better known as What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.

James at 48
June 26, 2013 8:21 am

Grandson of a gypo here … the moral of the story is, set up the poor countries with gypo operations to enable ad hoc cutting of naturally felled trees as well as selective cuts. We have the technology. Same goes for energy independence. Set up wild catters. These models work.

Grey Lensman
June 26, 2013 8:21 am

Ferd, well said, They duly rolled out two captured terrorists, sorry poor subsistence farmers, claiming “problem solved”. Yes they know who is doing it, they know who owns the land and why. Action is simple but not done. We dont have a Matahir now but we have an Indonesian president who says sorry but still does nothing. According to theJjakarta Post, the law is very clear and quoted yet they can do nothing.

ferdberple
June 26, 2013 8:24 am

It is amazing that the logging companies in the Solomon’s even bothered with a contract. In remote areas of SE Asia a “tilt” logging ship will anchor off a hillside on some remote island, strip the hill, and sail off none the wiser. By the time anyone discovers what has happened the logs have already been sold and the ship is searching for another remote hillside. Worse case, someone territorial policeman arrives in a broken down fishing boat to investigate before the logging completes, money changes hands and all continues as before.

Editor
June 26, 2013 8:39 am

Thanks, Willis. I wonder how many people reading your post in the US were amazed to discover that Haitians, who don’t live that far away, still use firewood as a primary source of fuel.

Zeke
June 26, 2013 8:40 am

Inre Acts. Ananais and Sapphira attempted to make an outward appearance of having given all, in front of other people. Peter pointed out that no one had asked them to give their property; it was entirely voluntary. There was no compulsion at all. They had agreed to say that they had sold the property and given the entire price. Peter never touched them.
So does this mean that the person who went to all the trouble to rifle through the book of Acts believes that all of the healings took place also? Do you think there is a problem with purchasing high positions, and making donations to causes in order to gain political influence? Maybe Peter should have started up a nice fat NGO and gone with the flow of donations.
Only what is from the inmost person and voluntary is real. Manipulating outward appearances to impress people is a form of spiritual death. “Be sincere and without offense. Let your love be without acting.” That is the greatest of spiritual battles any human faces.

Rob Crawford
June 26, 2013 8:50 am

“Stands to reason. If your house is already underwater why would you worry about sea level rise in a hundred years time.
I thought it was a slip of the tongue when I first read, but it’s ironically approriate.”
Saw yesterday that Obama apparently bemoaned BOTH reduced snowfall AND excessive snow melt.

June 26, 2013 8:51 am

1 kWh = 1 Person Day
1 Gallon of Gas = 33 kWh
1 Gallon of Gas = 33 Person Days.
How much is a gallon of gas worth in a LDC?
Why is it reasonable to buy electricity at $1/kWh?

Robert Christopher
June 26, 2013 8:56 am

Greg Goodman on June 26, 2013 at 4:02 am
“Thatcher (aka St Margret of Finchley) flogging off UK gas reserves, and highly profitable British Telecom.”
DaveS has already commented about British Telecom but, in those days, up in Norfolk, a 3 to 4 week wait would have been quick, and then not that certain of delivery!
UK gas reserves were sold at a profit, and that is after all the expense of getting out and to the pumps. What happened to the profit is the responsibility of who receives it. Thatcher was right not to use it to subsidise coal: produced at something like £120/t, with a market price of £90/t. It wasn’t sustainable!
We still have the NHS, but the Care Quality Commission is doing its best to bring it down: rotting from the head, like a fish.
Thatcher left office in 1990 and the country was doing OK in 1997, so what went wrong in 1997?

Beta Blocker
June 26, 2013 9:12 am

Willis: Now, given that poverty is the greatest threat to the global environment, the inescapable conclusion is that the only way the global environment stands a chance is if poor countries can develop economically.

Two decades ago, Dr. Carl Sagan offered his opinion that industrial development was the only practical means of slowing the world’s population growth.
If Dr. Sagan were alive today, can we imagine what kind of response that opinion would elicit from the environmental NGO’s?
He would be vilified as a traitor to the cause of environmentalism, that’s what.