This can’t be good:
In last 24 hrs, correspondence w 3 multi decade members of The American Meteorological Society, we all quit due to AMS position on #climate
— Tim Kelley NBC10 Boston (@TimNBCBoston) June 21, 2013
It gets worse:
Officers of American Meteorological Society writing position papers based on dogma, not science. Members not allowed to disagree #climate
— Tim Kelley NBC10 Boston (@TimNBCBoston) June 21, 2013
h/t to Steve Milloy
Hi, Gunga Din! When I get a chance to actually answer a question – I jump on it! “NGO” means “non-governmental organization.” People often laugh about them, though, for many of them are almost completely funded by tax revenues of a government and controlled by a country’s gov’t. There are, of course, lots of legit NGO’s.
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Re: formatting posts:
For anyone ignorant (as I was FOREVER) of how to format (bold, italics, etc… (well, not really much etc… (ahem — good ol’ Word Press, smile))) —see in right margin of your screen, just below the calendar, “Ric Werme’s Guide to WUWT.” Very helpful.
Someone (above, I think) tried to “bold” using [b]. The greater than and less than signs must be used instead of brackets. You may wonder, “Why didn’t she just use the symbols themselves?” Because when you put them opposite each other like this ( ), everything inside — POOF! — disappears! (at least I think that’s why my text disappeared one time!
I’d like to add a bit about my experience with knowledgeable people who feel compelled to bite their tongue. To protect the person involved, I must not give too many identifying details.
The person is highly educated in chemical engineering, and works in the US government. After I presented my skeptic views on CO2 as the primary driver of global warming, the person told me that (s)he understood completely, but could not agree publicly or at work for fear of retaliation. (S)he said, in my office, there is a certain orthodoxy, and it is dangerous to go against it.
“Raspberry Award” — Gunga Din. LOL, good one. That’s what he earned.
Oops! — about my duplicating u.k. (us)’s much more thorough post.
“To protect the person involved, I must not give too many identifying details. … .”
That said it all right there. How sad.
How about inviting her to enjoy the camaraderie with all the brilliant scientists of WUWT? Your colleague could post under a fake name … . Might be a lot of fun for her.
Janice Moore says:
June 21, 2013 at 8:24 pm
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Umm, how did you determine it was a “her” ?
Bias ?? 🙂
Just playing.
Gunga Din asks: what is an “NGO”?
It’s a QUANGO*.
Does that clear it up?☺
[*Quasi-Autonomous Non-Governmental Organization; Brit for NGO.]
Hi, U.K. (US),
Re: “How did you determine it was a “her” ?”
I didn’t! I just goofed. My subconscious may be biased, or, my spectacularly wonderfully intuitive mind may have given me a message, or, I may have just made a spectacle of myself. Who knows?
Thanks for pointing out my slip. Good catch. I need to be more careful when I write!
Janice
Brant Ra says:
June 21, 2013 at 12:22 pm
When the walls – come crumbling down…. ~John Cougar
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Brilliant and so simple.
When you think about it folks, how long does dodging the truth last for most ?
Eventually “Truth” wins out!
Some can only circumvent the inevitable facts for so long.
I think, with respect to our obvious under-understanding of climate and forcing, the velocity and volume of the non-consensus voices being heard will become much harder to ignore. As exemplified by this post subject matter.
Just look at how much scrutiny is starting to surface on the MSM that a couple years ago would have been left out. When wallets tighten and people feel the pain of policy and or the invasion of privacy and assault on liberty, they react.
The progressive movement to governmentalize control of climate will fail. It is based upon model fallacy in the end, no?
Speak up and protect the low information voters. They truly need help. . . . .
Somebody has to do it!
Bob, You did see Jai’s facebook page? .. https://www.facebook.com/jai.j.mitchell
ZERO there with anything to do with climate, weather.. as is obvious from his posts.
He does mention “Newclear” something, though !!..
@roger sowell
Same here in Australia Roger, almost two years ago, at a family gathering one of the extended family mentioned employment in the Goverments Climate Change Department, and when I idly suggested that many questioned the official government line, that person said “yes, most of us at work have the same opinion, but of course we can’t publically say so, lest it get back to the Department heads, so we just have to play at their game to keep our jobs. Mind you there are some who really believe fanatically and we need to be careful what we say when they are around.” A job is a job these days.
In speaking with University friends, it seems that most question the meme, but keep a very low profile as such is the vengence of those “believers” and grant protectors, a good paying position could be at risk. When questioned on this, they shrug their shoulders and hope that someone else will risk their job first, or hope that science will wake up and fix itself as it has done in the past. It is in most cases left to the retired and knowlegeable to speak out.
Not does the AMS Statement misrepresent and distort the science, it exhorts members to proselytize on behalf of its alarmist stance in their private activities. We thus have the spectacle of a national scientific society actively calling on its members to cross the line between science and politics. Let there be no misunderstanding. This society and the AGU are little more than political action groups. Their tax status needs to be reviewed by the IRS.
It was obvious to me that Jai was a complete troll who has limited knowledge or just simply wanted to post garbage for the fun of it when he posted that 2004 “CIA Secret Document” on the threats from global warming as a piece of viable evidence…which contained several points now refuted strongly by peer reviewed literature.
He seems to have a lot of trouble (or again is just trolling for fun) realizing that most skeptics don’t reject global warming but simply question the magnitude of it going forward (and to a lesser extent, the past) as per the IPCC reports. Climate sensitivity is the biggest debate now.
@KenB
The same here in New Zealand.
Dr Chris de Freitas is about the only academic who dares to stand publicly up to the nonsense.
On top of all the attacks from the ‘consensus establishment’ and the well known climate activists he also has to endure adolescent brainwashed trolls.
http://www.climateconversation.wordshine.co.nz/2013/05/its-climate-denial-all-right/#more-17180
A lot of scientists have (rightly so) taken note of the harassment and Stalinist purges (David Bellamy being one of the more notable.) that have occurred over the last 20 years.
Jai managed to cotton this discussion off the rails – I don’t accept that was anything less than intentional – regulars should know by now not to feed the trolls. Newbies – pay attention.
@jai mitchell says:
June 21, 2013 at 1:32 pm
Your consensus crap means nothing.
An old cockney joke punch line goes something like this… “… ‘at’s wot I been tryin a tell ya; there ain’t no ‘fn cod”
Figure it out for yourself.
Joe says:
June 21, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Then again, both Christianity and Islam (between them over half the world’s population) believe in predestination. So, using jai’s consensus logic, it’s really not worth worrying about climate change because que sera sera 🙂
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Wrong – some christians believe in predestination but it is not the view of Christianity.
@jai mitchell says:
June 21, 2013 at 1:32 pm
Jai Mirchell is looking forward to being government controlled. He can’t think for himself and would rather have the government do his thinking for him.
Where does the Federal government find authority to provide GRANTS AND AIDS to study or fund research for any item? http://articlevprojecttorestoreliberty.com/know-your-constitution.html
James Madison, Speech, House of Representatives, during the debate “On the Memorial of the Relief Committee of Baltimore, for the Relief of St. Domingo Refugees – JAMES MADISON
The government of the United States is a definite government, confined to specified objects. It is not like the state governments, whose powers are more general. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government.
@KenB, Janice Moore,
Exactly. There are so many government departments and agencies that are involved with climate change, it seems to have infected everything. The military branches, Departments of Agriculture, Energy, NASA, NOAA, NWS, just to name a few. My friend told me that (s)he had only a few more years to retirement, and then could speak freely. After his/her retirement, I’m hoping that my friend writes a whistle-blower book on his/her experiences, if such a thing is allowed.
It is quite interesting to compare the AGW scare with its long-term (supposed) catastrophic consequences, yet the very real economic and social damage done by minimum wage laws and prevailing-wage laws (read: high-priced labor unions) receives almost zero media attention. US’ high wages killed many portions of the economy since manufacturers cannot compete with foreign, low-wage producers. US’ high wages also attract millions of illegal aliens who cross our borders and create a drain on the social services, plus commit crimes.
Minimum wages are causing real harm, while CAGW is phony. Yet, climate change gets the headlines and high-level political attention.
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Only a suggestion to your very good post in that I think it woud be better, say, to use the word refined for “falsified” because, as you pointed out, Newton works just fine within its limitations.
Wow, this is big news,
Can you show me where all these hundreds of thousands of scientists and members signed a petition endorsing these scientific organization’s policy statements?
Aaaan, wi’ regard tuh joy m’chl,
“… ‘at’s wot I been ‘a tell ya;… ” [F. Ross 9:41PM]
— they rain’t no u’s in troyin’.
Bwah, ha, ha, ha, haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! #[:)]
Ow, bloimy, that was fun.
Hi Janice. Libby loved your fantasy phone conversation.
Now on topic or what was the topic before Jai hijacked it.
The greatest respect should be given to those who have jumped the shark and been critical of the global warming hoax. I predict the worm will turn as it always does, and they will eventually be widely regarded as the heroes they are. The process is already under weigh
If there is an open thread this weekend I intend to make a lengthy post about trolling. Teaser: I have been doing something akin to trolling myself..
Hi, Stan (say Hi to Libby)! Glad she liked that, heh, heh. Did she like Schmidt?
Looking forward to reading (likely not until after the weekend, though) of your troll adventures.
Take care.
Sam the First says:
June 21, 2013 at 6:36 pm
Anyone who can seriously cite the Wikipedia as a ‘source’ on anything to do with climate here on WUWT has clearly not been following the arguments or the ‘politics’ of so-called ‘climate science’ in the least degree…
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With regard to politics, climate and such, they are left leaning… and I cannot and do not believe they are credible sources of unbiased information about these subjects. But I did see it fitting to you Jai Mitchell’s beloved source to metaphorically compare him to people who believed in witches.
Good. I resigned from IEEE about 5 years ago due to their idiotic stance on car on based energy and their moronic promotion of “renewables”. These tyrants are only going to learn the hard way. Take away their avenues of power and watch these scoundrels flop around like fish out of water. Good riddance.