This can’t be good:
In last 24 hrs, correspondence w 3 multi decade members of The American Meteorological Society, we all quit due to AMS position on #climate
— Tim Kelley NBC10 Boston (@TimNBCBoston) June 21, 2013
It gets worse:
Officers of American Meteorological Society writing position papers based on dogma, not science. Members not allowed to disagree #climate
— Tim Kelley NBC10 Boston (@TimNBCBoston) June 21, 2013
h/t to Steve Milloy
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I’d like to add, So what if Anthony does or doesn’t get a discount from his “Speedy Rewards” card. Multiple industries are being trashed under the label of “The Fossil Fuel Industry”. Sheesh! What have they done wrong besides providing affordable energy to the masses and so improve their lives?
Who funds the “Environmental Movement Industry”? What do they seek to gain at the expense of the rest of us (including “3rd world” countries)? Are they out to “save the planet” or control it?
Jai, really follow the money. You might not like where it leads.
(“Speedy” is a gas station in parts of the US.)
jai mitchell says:
June 21, 2013 at 1:32 pm
Jai,
Do you comprehend the gravity of the moment? Your contribution accomplished something extremely rare among the readers of these pages.
Consensus.
At least WUWT is keeping Jai off the streets of Seattle, where his fellow self-important, data base-free slackers enjoy making work for glaziers while making themselves feel good about how wonderful they are, to be saving the planet & combating greedy globalists who provide goods & services that people want at prices they can afford.
And doesn’t glass production to replace all that shattered in anti-globalist riots have quite a large, scary carbon footprint? I could be wrong.
Wow. I JUST accessed the link in my post (to the Washington Post article about Richard Sternberg) and it said: “We are unable to locate the page you requested.
The page may have moved or may no longer be available”
Too weird! I accessed for my research (via a Bing.com search) for my post less than half an hour before the link shut down!
So, I did another Bing search and here’s the link to the WaPo article that Bing gave me (that I just used while in Bing.com and successfully linked to the article — if this link does not work for you, I just copied all the article’s text into a word doc. Just ask and I will paste it into a post — it would be awfully long, though… ):
Bing link to WaPo Article about Sternberg:
Editor Explains Reasons for ‘Intelligent Design’ Article
http://www.washingtonpost.com › Politics › The Fed Page
Aug 19, 2005 · Richard Sternberg came under fire from Smithsonian scientists over an article questioning evolutionary theory. (By Michael Williamson — The Washington Post)
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Sorry for the extensive attempt to cite my source, here, but I was shocked when the link to an article I had just accessed didn’t work!
Jaymam, et. al.: Yes, this is the Jai Mitchell. https://www.facebook.com/jai.j.mitchell
Per FB, He likes the consensus of 97% scientists who supposedly believe man is causing warming. Says he lives in Willits, CA and came from Hawaii,and studied “Newclear” Engineering at UC Berkeley… he spelled Berkeley correctly though.
The warmists need to take responsibility for the appalling ecological damage that this a direct consequence of their alarmist and their effort to stifle scientific/engineering criticism.
What is happening, justified to stop climate ‘change’ is insanity.
I challenge John Cook or any of the other warmists to respond to the atrocious policies that are in direct consequence of his blog’s distortion of the truth and the other warmists propaganda and distortion of the science. The planet was started to cool, The warming affects due to the atmospheric CO2 rise are benign and limited. Plants eat CO2. If there is no dangerous warming due to the increase in atmospheric CO2, then the increase in atmospheric CO2 is beneficial to all life on this planet.
The conversion of food to biofuel is a particularly egregious direct result of the AGW movement. John Cook, the other warmists, and the EU bureaucracy should be ashamed of the food to biofuel fiasco.
http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/313699/news/world/singapore-demands-action-from-indonesia-on-haze
The illegal burning of forest on Indonesia’s Sumatra island, to the west of Singapore, to clear land for palm oil plantations is a chronic problem, particularly during the June to September dry season.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-22998592
http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/forests/palm-oil
Biodiesel fuelling palm oil expansion
Commitments from various governments to increase the amount of biofuels being sold are pushing this rise in demand, because they’re seen as an attractive quick fix to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. By 2020, 10 per cent of fuel sold in the EU will be biofuel and China expects 15 per cent of its fuel to be grown in fields, while India wants 20 per cent of its diesel to be biodiesel by 2012. The irony is that these attempts to reduce the impact of climate change could actually make things worse – clearing forests and draining and burning peatlands to grow palm oil will release more carbon emissions than burning fossil fuels.
But this phenomenal growth of the palm oil industry spells disaster for local communities, biodiversity, and climate change as palm plantations encroach further and further into forested areas. This is happening across South East Asia, but the problem is particularly acute in Indonesia which has been named in the 2008 Guinness Book of Records as the country with fastest rate of deforestation. The country is also the third largest emitter of greenhouse gases, largely due to deforestation.
Much of the current and predicted expansion oil palm expansion in Indonesia is taking place on forested peatlands. Peat locks up huge amounts of carbon, so clearing peatlands by draining and burning them releases huge greenhouse gases. Indonesia’s peatlands, cover less than 0.1 per cent of the Earth’s surface, but are already responsible for 4 per cent of global emissions every year. No less than ten million of Indonesia’s 22.5 million hectares of peatland have already been deforested and drained.
Sorry if biology is off topic, although scientific censorship surely is. Here’s Sternberg’s bio & statement of faith or credo, which is what it is. Scientists are allowed to hold religious or spiritual beliefs.
http://www.richardsternberg.com/biography.php
It appears that while he was fired for allowing an ID article to be published, he may not advocate biological ID (which is unscientific), but universal ID, which is a less contentious position, shared to some degree by a number of respectable astrophysicists & cosmologists.
William Astley says:
June 21, 2013 at 6:27 pm
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People in the Americas & Africa have starved because of the US corn-based ethanol for fuel instead of food program, which so raised the price of maize for tortillas & other similar breads.
William Astley, as usual, you are SO RIGHT!
Thanks for all the above powerfully salient info..
@jaymam
“Element takes its first step to reduce the company’s carbon footprint with the Power To The Planet Collection. Made of sustainable materials with eco-friendly manufacturing techniques, the collection currently includes three limited edition skate shoes”
Exposing the scam threatens his line of business.
A large part of the modern day ‘Green’ movement is funded by products and services combatting non-existent problems.
It’s nice to see Tim Kelley get a post here, he and I exchange some notes from time to time, I’ll invite him to drop in. Guess I’ll have to apologize that “his” post has been redirected by an execrable troll.
Tim and Matt Noyes make up the core of the NECN (New England Cable News) weather team. The studios are in Needham Massachusetts, southwest of Boston. I send in weather observations when I think I have something useful, e.g. when snow starts, to provide some ground truth to go with the radar view.
It’s a big thing when a TV met resigns from the AMS because their “seal of approval[*]” is a very important deal in some markets. News stations in New England generally don’t note on the air that their staff has AMS certification, they pretty much need better skills than that to forecast New England weather. I assume Tim is well enough regarded that he doesn’t need support from the AMS. This was one of the reasons people considered it a Big Thing when Heidi Cullen called on the AMS to revoke certification of meteorologists who spoke against the consensus. See http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/01/22/weather-channel-issues-ultimate-professional-insult/
Well done, Tim. Gotta meet you in person some day.
[*] The AMS may have recently changed a lot about how their certification is done and what it represents. I don’t need to tell who the good Mets are, so I don’t pay much attention to it (or the rest of the AMS).
The AMS is based in Boston, I assume some of the board knows who Tim is, so I hope this has a bigger than average impact at their offices.
As a Meteorologist and Historical Climatologist, I quit the AMS some years ago for this very reason. Their “agenda” is not new. And we all know who the principal players are. Their Conferences and Publications lost credibility circa 2000.
Anyone who can seriously cite the Wikipedia as a ‘source’ on anything to do with climate here on WUWT has clearly not been following the arguments or the ‘politics’ of so-called ‘climate science’ in the least degree
But then, we already knew that about Jai from his other ludicrous and unfounded statements. I fear however he’s not deliberately trolling: he really has swallowed the whole preposterous scam, hook line and sinker – as have so many people more intelligent than him.
I wonder how it is that so many find ‘consensus’ such an alluring idea: it’s almost a necessity for them that we all conform to it. Are we humans so deeply imbued with the herd instinct?
There can be no consensus in science – no such word as ‘incontrovertible’, as Prof Lewis remarked. Anyone who fails to understand that cannot be taken seriously. They have zero grasp of what science *is*
Wow, when “jai Mitchell” invokes the “denial” term my knees begin to shake.
Not.
I’ll just enjoy the show, while lamenting the time wasted on replies.
Mine, would have been snipped for language anyway.
“… Tim Kelley … I’ll invite him to drop in … .” [Ric Werme at 6:33PM 6/21/13]
Do! He is our hero!
Way to go, Rob! You go (or, rather, you WENT, heh, heh), man!
From Twitter:
Tim Kelley NECN @SurfSkiWxMan 10h
Just Accepted lunch invite from Keith L. Seitter, Executive Director American Meteorological Society 45 Beacon Street Boston, MA #climate
I would like to expand on my ‘June 21, 2013 at 6:33 pm’ post.
Not only does their livelihood depend on keeping the scam alive, their actions and policies cause and exacerbate the very problems they claim to combat.
It’s the perfect self perpetuating money-power scheme.
Wayne Delbeke says: “Not sure if this works or is allowed but I am sure Jai has a sense of humour:”
That photograph shows a puerperal exhibit in a medical museum. It is not particularly funny.
To all who have endured jai mitchell:
I’ve had to deal with jai on a few other threads this week. I have the feeling he is a true believer in his AGW cause and that he hopes his presence here will convert a few skeptics—not realizing, like many other proponents of the hypothesis of human-induced global warming, that his limited grasp of reality, or his willingness to misrepresent it, is hurting, not helping, his cause.
I too wonder why he recently popped up here. Like other true believers before him, jai seems to have suddenly appeared here at WUWT, parroting dogma, and simply getting on everyone’s nerves. If he’s the best that some NGO can produce in an effort to create converts, then they are surely lacking in those resources.
But one thing is for sure, I do find jai’s limited grasp of reality very, very entertaining.
Regards
@Roy UK No apology necessary, these fires were not only expected but inevitable. People who do not understand wildland fire have been busy moving into the forest here for 30+ years, in an environment adapted and dependent on periodic fires. Many of the forest stands here in Colorado are populated with fire species specifically adapted to wild fires and burn every 60-120 years regardless of mans presence or actions. Pine beetle kill has turned large areas in Colorado into tinderboxes just waiting for a match. The emergency management community in Colorado was involved in active wildland fire education 20+ years ago. Even back then it was not a question if the forest residential areas would burn it was simply a question of when.
This has nothing to do with climate other than it is just apart of the natural cycle of the forests in this part of the country. There will be many more devastating fires here in the next few decades as we have used up most of the normal quite period between burns in much of the front range areas which have been heavily encroached on by folks who refuse to use good wild land fire building methods or practice sensible fuel load management near their homes. The build homes snuggled right up to the forest, many of them with large pine trees growing right beside the house, large picture windows with no fire shutters which guarantee interior furniture ignition via radiant heating alone when large portions of the window view area is burning, no direct ignition needed. Unscreened wood porches often with fire wood stacked below, and flammable roof coverings provide ample opportunity for structure ignition.
Last the residents have no fire plan or defensible zone for the fire fighters to work in to save the house and precious few have any sort of nearby water like a pond or stream suitable for fire pumpers to draft water from. In short there is no saving the homes if they catch fire, and they are death traps for any fire fighters who try to defend them.
Until fire codes and building practices catch up with reality and these costly lessons trump local building and zoning codes which sometimes require poor practice like wood shake roofs, these losses will follow each year.
One of these days the Evergreen Gennesee area will burn off and it will be a front page story as billions of dollars of very expensive homes on narrow winding access roads houses go up in smoke.
It is a self inflicted wound for most of these home owners. Most do not realize the forest they love burns every 2-4 generations and we are already well into the 2nd or 3rd generation since the last burn in most of the front range.
I’m about to display my ignorance again, but, what is an “NGO”?
(My “A Skeptic’s Marching Orders” must still be in the mail.)
When James Hansen was given the Rossby Award (The most prestigous award of the organization), I stopped paying my dues.
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Didn’t you mean “Raspberry Award’?
Gunga Din says:
June 21, 2013 at 7:31 pm
I’m about to display my ignorance again, but, what is an “NGO”?
(My “A Skeptic’s Marching Orders” must still be in the mail.)
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We are all ignorant, seeking answers, it brought us here.
NGO ?
Here is one definition:
A non-governmental organization (NGO) is any non-profit, voluntary citizens’ group which is organized on a local, national or international level. Task-oriented and driven by people with a common interest, NGOs perform a variety of service and humanitarian functions, bring citizen concerns to Governments, advocate and monitor policies and encourage political particpation through provision of information. Some are organized around specific issues, such as human rights, environment or health. They provide analysis and expertise, serve as early warning mechanisms and help monitor and implement international agreements. Their relationship with offices and agencies of the United Nations system differs depending on their goals, their venue and the mandate of a particular institution.
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The “marching orders” have not yet achieved a consensus, sadly.
Give it another 5 years 🙂