This can’t be good:
In last 24 hrs, correspondence w 3 multi decade members of The American Meteorological Society, we all quit due to AMS position on #climate
— Tim Kelley NBC10 Boston (@TimNBCBoston) June 21, 2013
It gets worse:
Officers of American Meteorological Society writing position papers based on dogma, not science. Members not allowed to disagree #climate
— Tim Kelley NBC10 Boston (@TimNBCBoston) June 21, 2013
h/t to Steve Milloy
Jai: There might be a job opening for you… send your belief and resume to AMS.
Bruce Cobb says:
June 21, 2013 at 2:29 pm
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Everything about leftist emotionalism, deceit, totalitarianism with the AGW meme in one video. How many straw-dogs did you recognize in the video?
Remember, they’re smarter and you should do what you are told. That meme dates back to G. K. Chesterton’s battles with Progressive elitism and beyond.
“The fact is that the science behind the warming we are experiencing has been settled, determined and studied, published on and [b]predicted (very accurately) for over 50 years.”[/b]
Hahaha. Oh man… you’re killing me, Jai. I didn’t realize this was a comedy bit!
“I debated a NASA Ph.D for months before he finally was forced to admit that Consensus is not equal to a “PROOF” by peer review… .” [Profit up 10% (cool!) at 1:59PM today]
Way to hang in there, Profit.
“His knowledge did not serve him,
for his heart was in the lie.” [George MacDonald, 19th century]
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John Coleman, WAY TO GO! Another principled scientist in our midst.
[re: J.C. at 3:40PM today] “I allowed my membership in the AMS to expire about 25 years ago when I realized [it] … frequently acted in support of political rather than scientific objectives.”
Jai wrote: The fact is that the science behind the warming we are experiencing has been settled, determined and studied, published on and predicted (very accurately) for over 50 years.
it isn’t some new thing.
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From 1560 to 1670, witchcraft persecutions became common as superstitions became associated with the devil. (source Wikipedia)
Witchcraft had a longer stretch than AGW hypothesis. So by Jai’s logic, it’s credible to believe some people are witches –and must be killed. My question to you Jai is:
Which belief has led to more deaths? Policies as a result in the belief of witches or AGW?
Janice: You’re indeed clever… and full of creative wisdom.
John Tillman says:
June 21, 2013 at 4:29 pm
due to financial pressure, the Fossil Fuel Industry has dramatically scaled back their funding of climate skeptic “science” and propaganda outlets.
Hey Anthony!
Can you provide the industry that your “technology company” donor works in?
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The funding of climate denial organizations follows the same operations direction as the funding of opposition groups working to cloud the science behind the medical facts of smoking and second-hand smoke. They did it through anonymous donors
http://greenpeaceblogs.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Graph-2002-2011_Donors-Koch-Exxon.png
its called the “donor’s trust”
[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrsnCR6TMJw ]
146 million dollars to climate change denial groups in a decade, 20 to 70 percent of their funding.
REPLY: Why not ask Peter Gleick, I’m sure he has plenty of stolen information yet to be revealed. I’m not going to share since the goal of him and people like you is to hassle those people.
As for your laughable YouTube video which you cite as a credible source, I counter with this.
Let’s for the sake of argument suppose that 140 million claim is true, compared to the greens, the climateers, and the NGO’s it is just a drop in the bucket.
And Jai, since you seem to like NGO’s like Greenpeace, did you know some of them take “big oil” money? GASP!
The WWF’s Vast Pool of Oil Money
http://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2012/04/11/the-wwfs-vast-pool-of-oil-money/
You really need to stop with the regurgitated hate-talking points. All you are succeeding in doing is showing people how little you really know and how biased you are. – Anthony
As for me and WUWT, all the answers are on my FAQs page: http://wattsupwiththat.com/about-wuwt/faqs/
Can we get a FAQs on “Jai Mitchell”? For example, is that your real name or a fake, what NGO’s do you belong to, and who pays you to spread this stuff here?
– Anthony
There are an awful lot of very wet people on the Planet right now, and it’s starting to get bit chilly. Bugger I’ll never get a grant.
Jai mitchell
Apparently you are a Bill Maher fan. That is all I need to know about your thought process. Bill Maher viewers are either adolescents or adults with adolescent brains. Try expanding your knowledge from other sources. It will be amazing what you learn,
REPLY: Actually Heartland didn’t provide that money, they connected me with a donor who ran a technology company.
The work that was funded to make the NOAA data for the CRN easily viewable (since they NEVER mention this new state of the art network in the monthly state of the climate reports) is still in progress here http://climatereferencenetwork.org
– Anthony
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Thanks for the info, which I should have recalled.
I note that Jai keeps refusing to answer direct questions, but just keeps making more baseless assertions & shameless allegations.
My favorite slur along these lines however remains Mann’s questioning Steve McIntyre’s “funding”, which of course is mainly his own pocket, proving real science–including not just statistical analysis but collecting tree ring data–doesn’t need the government grants upon which fake, self-appointed “climate scientists” rely.
[snip – questions upstream require your attention before going further, since you have been skipping them, I’m going to help you remember – Anthony]
Anthony,
I didn’t ask for specifics, I don’t care who gives you money. It was only in the interest of the topic of discussion. If your donor in some way associated with the fossil fuel industry? That shouldn’t be too revealing to your sponsor.
Have a good weekend!
REPLY: “Technology company” should be plainly evident as NOT being a fossil fuel company.
So no FAQs from you? Like if you are a fake name or employed by an NGO to be here? – Anthony
[snip sorry – not letting you get away with that crap here – Anthony]
No Technology company does not in any way shape or form indicates they are involved with the fossil fuel industry, since you said they are not then that’s enough, thanks for answering my question!
REPLY: so why are you afraid to answer questions put to you? – Anthony
If you Google for “Jai Mitchell” climate
it comes up with this picture of someone who often posts about climate:
http://i42.tinypic.com/8zgras.jpg
I don’t know what kind of “questions” you are talking about but the ones I didn’t answer don’t deserve to be answered.
I think you are censoring the term “donor’s trust”
good luck with that.
REPLY: Nope, just your rude and baseless accusations – Anthony
@Jai Mitchell, to be clear the questions are:
1. Is Jai Mitchell a fake name?
2. Are you a member of an NGO that has issues with WUWT?
3. Are you paid by an organization to be commenting on blogs? The reason I ask is that you don’t seem to be employed during the day, and you have a constant stream here.
[snip -sorry – smoking not allowed on WUWT, both of my parents died from it – Anthony
“The trickle of scientists abandoning the sinking ship will hopefully soon become a flood, leaving just a few diehards to “Mann” the ship as it sinks.”
[High Treason at 4:07PM 6/21/13]
Well put! Nice essay.
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“What other scientific theory forbids questioning and outlaws dissenting?” [Fred Manzo at 4:12PM 6/21/13]
Excellent point. And, I get your meaning (AGW proponents allow NO dissent from the “consensus,”) but, there is a theory, quite popular with many on WUWT, in fact, which is often DOGMATICALLY defended far beyond the evidence supporting it. In fact, if a scientist merely acknowledges an alternative view (Intelligent Design Theory), he or she is in danger of losing his or her job.
Richard Sternberg, former editor of “Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington” (affiliated with the Smithsonian), who has two Ph.D.s in Evolutionary Biology was fired for merely reviewing an article by a proponent of Intelligent Design Theory:
[emphasis mine]
[Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/18/AR2005081801680.html%5D
Jai, here’s a question you evaded just from recently today, never mind all those from prior days:
“Jai, would you kindly name the skeptics who have gotten funding from the FFI & the amounts they received. Show me the millions!”
Please back up your baseless claims & shameless, clueless calumnies. If you can, I take back the baseless, shameless, clueless bits.
Thanks again.
RE: Jai Mitchel.
I patiently addressed some of your concerns on an earlier thread. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/18/two-years-to-a-1740-type-event/#comment-1341800
As you did not have the common decency to reply, I can only assume you do not want to have a conversation. Please inform me if I am incorrect.
RE: Everyone Else
Jai is not the topic of this tread. The topic is the behavior of gutsy men who are standing up for, in my humble opinion, Truth. The meteorologists who are telling the AMS that the AMS does not stand for the Truth are worth our admiration and deserve a standing ovation, praise, and every available shred of support.
In essence these true men are standing up to a somewhat shapeless bully. The bully has power, money and all sorts of intangible influences. Recent news has informed us the bully can sniff through our phone records and tax records, delay the issuance of permits, and snoop in Lord knows how many other ways, and make life difficult in Lord knows how many other ways.
These men who have the guts to oppose this bully may find it hard to publish excellent papers, and face harassment if they do find a publisher. Funding may dry up. Weaker people may be afraid to be seen with them, or to talk with them, or even to email them.
What have they got to gain? Are any of us in this for gain?
Time to quote Thomas Paine:
“THESE are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph….”
@Caleb
Since he is a disruption, and won’t engage, Jai is now on moderation, his comments will always get the attention of a moderator at this point
jaymam,
If that pic is our ‘jai mitchell’, it backs up my previous comment that mitchell is a wet behind the ears youngster…
Mario Lento! Grazie!!! Wow. After I just spent quite awhile writing my above post, I went back and found your wonderful encouragement. THANK YOU, SO MUCH. From you, someone whose posts I ALWAYS admire (for both content and style), that is powerful. Thanks for taking the time to encourage a non-scientist who has far more enthusiasm than knowledge!
Great quote, Caleb.
andrewmharding says:
June 21, 2013 at 5:50 pm
[snip -sorry – smoking not allowed on WUWT, both of my parents died from it – Anthony
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My deepest condolences, Anthony. Shattering. My aunt died of smoking-induced, pernicious lung cancer aged 63.
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