This can’t be good:
In last 24 hrs, correspondence w 3 multi decade members of The American Meteorological Society, we all quit due to AMS position on #climate
— Tim Kelley NBC10 Boston (@TimNBCBoston) June 21, 2013
It gets worse:
Officers of American Meteorological Society writing position papers based on dogma, not science. Members not allowed to disagree #climate
— Tim Kelley NBC10 Boston (@TimNBCBoston) June 21, 2013
h/t to Steve Milloy
Then again, both Christianity and Islam (between them over half the world’s population) believe in predestination. So, using jai’s consensus logic, it’s really not worth worrying about climate change because que sera sera 🙂
Why am I not surprised to see BM is Jai source of truth . . E=GREEN FALSE NEWS . . AGW is not a Theory it is Hypothesis if it is to be serious science and the Hypothesis has failed all peer reviews not one single PROOF was ever issued . . Consensus science is failed . .
“There is unequivocal evidence that Earth’s lower atmosphere, ocean, and land surface are warming; sea level is rising; and snow cover, mountain glaciers, and Arctic sea ice are shrinking. The dominant cause of the warming since the 1950s is human activities.”
Jai. Do you truly comprehend that last sentence? The reason I ask is that that is the crux of our argument with all this… stuff.
There truly was “… unequivocal evidence that Earth’s lower atmosphere, ocean, and land surface are warming; sea level is rising; and snow cover, mountain glaciers, and Arctic sea ice are shrinking …”
Attributing alarm and fear to any of the above is pure politicking, but “… The dominant cause of the warming since the 1950s is human activities … ”
Real-ah-hee ??? You know you could poke somebody’s eyes out with that thing….
We demand to see some evidence for that blanket statement. Why do you think the majority of the members of those once respected societies you appeal to don’t demand to see some evidence for the hot air coming out of their steering committees?
Could it be that they just took (multiple) someones’ word for it? Because they are overwhelmingly busy with their own shizz? Surely not?
Joe says:
June 21, 2013 at 1:54 pm
I know that consensus doesn’t prove a theory. That is absolutely true in the study of science and science history.
I hope you will excuse the language in this, please disregard if you are offended by bill maher but he had a very important thing to say about “consensus”.
with regard to evolution, gravity and, yes, anthropogenically caused climate change:
This is a very good discourse with Bob Lutz from GM
[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZYMD0oSQQQ ]
however, if you want to get the real lowdown on bill maher’s perspective then watch this:
warning, he does swear in this one so if you are offended by profanity, don’t watch it!
[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OwFSLm4pII ]
Joe:
In a way the Old Testament has it right: “The fire next time”. If not the heat of an asteroid chunk or comet impact, then eventually the end will come when the sun goes red giant. But even before then, its increasing radiative output & the subduction of continents dragging water with them will leave Earth dry as Mars. Any living things left will be subterranean microbes.
Our planet is about half way through its complex life phase, which might last a billion years total. The first large animals with hard body parts become apparent in the fossil record some 543 million years ago, at the start of the Cambrian Period of the Paleozoic Era of the Phanerozoic Eon. In around another 500 million years, it will be back to small multicellular life or more likely already just single-celled microbes.
You want climate change, you got climate change.
Drunk again, we see. What a clown.
Magic Gas Mitchell doesn’t work where
he works ON anything.
How do I know?
He believes in that
MaGiCK GAiS!
Ya’W.
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Magic Gas Mitchellsays:
June 21, 2013 at 1:32 pm
There is unequivocal evidence that Earth’s lower atmosphere, ocean, and land surface are warming; sea level is rising; and snow cover, mountain glaciers, and Arctic sea ice are shrinking. The dominant cause of the warming since the 1950s is human activities.
Jai, Bill Maher is an idiot, and the very fact you posted those videos speaks volumes about your intelligence, or lack thereof. Not that there was much doubt before.
@Bruce Cobb – Maher is also a racist and misogynist bigot. I am a bit surprised any sentient being listens to or quotes him. But I guess as long as there is prejudice and hatred, he will have followers.
[snip – sorry smoking not allowed on WUWT – both of my parents died from smoking related illnesses, and I don’t care to have you bloviate about it here – Anthony]
Great move Jai, quoting Wikipedia as your source….
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change
Second highest number of (named) edits in this ‘article’, 213.
William M. Connolley 2003-09-24 – 2013-04-07
All told, Connolley created or rewrote 5,428 unique Wikipedia articles. His control over Wikipedia was greater still, however, through the role he obtained at Wikipedia as a website administrator, which allowed him to act with virtual impunity. When Connolley didn’t like the subject of a certain article, he removed it — more than 500 articles of various descriptions disappeared at his hand. When he disapproved of the arguments that others were making, he often had them barred — over 2,000 Wikipedia contributors who ran afoul of him found themselves blocked from making further contributions. Acolytes whose writing conformed to Connolley’s global warming views, in contrast, were rewarded with Wikipedia’s blessings. In these ways, Connolley turned Wikipedia into the missionary wing of the global warming movement.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100020515/climategate-the-corruption-of-wikipedia/
And the fraudulent lying Green Party activist is still at it.
jai mitchell says:
June 21, 2013 at 2:18 pm
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Why does it not surprise me that you get your anti-scientific opinions from an anti-vaccine crusading comedian?
News for both you & your guru: Newton & Darwin’s theories did not gain acceptance by consensus, but because they went long periods without being shown false. Do you need the Feynman video posted again, so that you grasp the scientific method?
In fact Newton was eventually falsified by Einstein, but for much of the universe, his math & model of gravitation remain good enough for government work. Darwin didn’t know how heredity worked, since apparently he never found Mendel’s (cherry-picked) research, so his theory stayed incomplete until combined with genetics in the early 20th century synthesis (which owed much to his cousin Galton’s pioneering statistical thought). Evolution through natural selection & (now understood) stochastic processes has not been falsified. It’s accepted not due to consensus but because competing hypotheses & theories, such as the repeated or continuous special creations advocated by many of his contemporaries & teachers, have been falsified.
But I am sure that the hundreds of thousands of scientists and members of these professional societies are all just in it for the research grant money. . .
Please link and quote all these professionals and societies for verification. Thanks
jai mitchell says:
June 21, 2013 at 1:32 pm
“Only 14,000 more members to go…”
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That looks like pretty much the same number and type of organizations that endorsed Eugenics in the 1930’s. So what was your point?
“Congratulations to those who have voted with their feet to leave the AMS.”
I will second that. CAGW is the reason I left ACS (American Chemical Society) after more than thirty years.
Opppssss….above for jai. And please note LINK.
As regards Jai Mitchell, to all others trying to reason with him, when someone is making a fool of themselves, shut up, get out of their way, and let them do so (you’re doing a marvelous job of that Jai). Another good quote for Mr Mitchell is ” tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool l than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt”
An appeal to authority produces Bill Maher, wow – thats just sad.
At last report, investigators had all but ruled out natural causes for Colorado’s Black Forest fire, meaning it was most likely due to careless human use of…(choose your favorite fire-causing human activity)
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_23502597/black-forest-fire-investigators-narrow-search-clues-its
The fact is that the science behind the warming we are experiencing has been settled, determined and studied, published on and predicted (very accurately) for over 50 years.
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Jai, the problem is…science and scientists promote themselves as being smarter and more advanced than they actually are…..and the dim-wits that fall for it
…our science is not that advanced..we are not that advanced….just look around you
and for the past 50 years, they have been trying to convince everyone the science is settled…
2 + 2 = 4……that’s settled…that’s a fact….and that’s why it’s settled
…we’ve still got a long long way to go
jai mitchell says:
June 21, 2013 at 2:30 pm
The fact is that the science behind the warming we are experiencing has been settled, determined and studied, published on and predicted (very accurately) for over 50 years.
it isn’t some new thing.
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You’re still confused as to what constitutes science & what a fact is.
Science is hardly ever settled, least of all for complex phenomena like climate. A settled scientific conclusion is that the Earth orbits the sun. That CO2 is the main driver of climate is not only unsettled, but laughable.
The behavior of a CO2 molecule when hit by a photon of IR energy is not even settled, although it might be fairly well understood, but subject to debate & possibly controversy. The effect of this physical phenomenon on air temperature is definitely conjectural & controversial. More importantly, it is not only unsettled that this effect is the primary climate forcing, but all available evidence is against this baseless assertion.
Name a single accurate prediction based upon the science you imagine has been settled for 50 years as to CO2 & climate. Much of the problem with consensus “climate science” is that it’s afraid to make predictions, hence is anti-scientific, & the few that some “scientists” have made have been shown false. Indeed fear of falsification is why “man-made GHG global warming” morphed into “climate change”.
Jai Mitchell,
Have you chosen to put your faith in people who assure you that “The Science is Settled?” Did you study any science yourself in school, along the lines of, could you evaluate the evidence yourself and decide for yourself whether it is credible? If you did not, here you risk exposure as a fool, as many many commenters on here did, and will torch your credulous statements. You should read rgbatduke, a true deep thinker, posts on here all the time.
In what areas of life do you think for yourself? Apparently this is not one of them. Did you know that Michael Mann defended his PhD in 1996, but did not receive it until 1998 when he was persuaded to write the “Hockey Stick” paper? I think he actually flunked but took the only option given him, to sign up to be the poster boy for AGW.
Let’s quit answering the Jai troll.
On the substance of the post. Can you imagine the effect on public opinion if all of the more than 50% of meteorologists who don’t “believe” in global warming took the same principled stance as Anthony Watts and went on the air on their local television stations and said. “The global warming scare is bunk.”, and backed their statement up with the evidence.
Jai –
“The JASON climate model suffers from a number of fundamental weaknesses. The role of clouds in determining albedo is not adequately taken into account nor are the asymmetries between the northern and southern hemisphere. We expect, however, that models intermediate between the large GCMs and the primitive analytic models can yield insights into the nature of climate change.”
How’s that working for ya?
The assumptions made by the JASON group are manifold (not just in this field BTW). It is what they were paid to holiday together 5 months of the year to produce. Ifs, buts and maybes abound, along with this early reliance on models.
We should demand some evidence before embarking upon the dismantling of a system that, inequalities aside, keeps billions fed, watered and sufficiently entertained that they may spend a proportion of their free time expounding their ignorance of multiple fields of human endeavor using the very tools they would remove from those who currently ‘enjoy’ them and deny them entirely to the greater number who would like to.
jai mitchell says:
June 21, 2013 at 1:32 pm
A wrong statement is still a wrong statement, regardless of how many agree with it for political reasons.
jai mitchell says:
June 21, 2013 at 2:18 pm
1) Micro evolution has been proven.
2) Macro evolution is the best explanation for what we see in the fossil record, but that still doesn’t make it proven.
3) The evidence is in, gravity exists. As to what causes it, that’s still under debate.
4) That AGW exists is also not under debate, whether 1% or 99% of the warming that may have been measured over the last 100 years is caused by it, is till a matter of debate.
Our data might suck and we may in support of a doctrine, but wait for the climate refugee’s flock in in when the climate refugee immigration bill is pushed through the Senate: http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2013/06/20/2187831/climate-refugee-immigration-bill/?mobile=nc
It’ s all Agenda 21, don’t you see it? http://green-agenda.com
jai mitchell says:
June 21, 2013 at 2:30 pm
Typical liberal think.
I’m right and the only reason why you disagree with me is because evil people have paid you to do so.