Uh oh, somebody in Germany in a position to influence others in the Green movement has started thinking for himself, shrugging off suggestions from a climate scientist that “its all in his head”.
Pierre Gosselin reports about a story by lefty journalist Harald Martenstein of Die Zeit:
“I was ready to open my home to the Schröders as soon as they would no longer be able to take the 60°C heat in the shade. But instead it got colder and colder. At Uckermark in the wintertime it was -20°C for weeks.”
Martenstein also noticed that Britain had endured its coldest winter in 30 years, Florida got covered by icicles, and the cold seemed to be spreading everywhere. So he pleaded that people should emit more CO2 – so that he could stay warm.
His plea, however, prompted an invitation from a “scientist at a very nice climate institute“:
He showed me tables and graphs that clearly depicted it was getting warmer. He believed that I was just a victim of my own subjective imagination. Memory can fool you. One thinks that during childhood it was warm from May to September, but in reality its was warm only 3 days, and it is those 3 days that one remembers intensively. The tables from climate scientists, on the other hand, do not lie.”
Martenstein then recounts the past winter and how it seemed to him as being the longest and hardest he could remember, but telling himself that it was probably just his warped subjectivity acting up again. He writes:
But suddenly I read in the paper that a number of climate scientists had changed their minds. Now they were saying it is not going to get warmer, but colder, at least in Europe. Whatever happened to the tables I now ask myself.”
This kind of science would never fly in biology or physics, Martenstein writes. ”But with climate science it seems they are allowed to get away with everything.”
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Mother Of German Green Weeklies, Die Zeit, Shocks Readers…Now Casts Doubt On Global Warming!
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@richardcourtney:
an exercise for you:
take the last 16 yrs (say) of surface temperatures;
take out the el ninos and la ninas;
say, use instead the 30 yr average for those months;
recalculate the trend for the last 16 yrs;
what do you get?
Although I do believe that the AGW theory is crumbling, it will take time for this to diminish, it will not be a quick and swift victory for skeptics, it will be a long & slow process, but eventually AGW should die (even so, there still will be a few remnants left over). I hope it will (continue to be) a very slow & painful death for AGW, as it will make the alarmists suffer as much as possible.
jc says:
April 19, 2013 at 3:25 pm
“You make the prospects seem very gloomy. Hopefully that is part of a German cultural cliche!”
We are right 50 % of the time.
“But some activity where there was none can only be an advantage.”
Agreed. Let’s see. But don’t forget, the EU is not a democratic institutions – opinions in nations states count for nothing in Europe, (they might get critized by the UN, though)
Reich.Eschhaus says:
April 19, 2013 at 4:57 pm
And that from someone with the handle of “Reich”? I’d say your opinion that everybody is wrong except you should actually apply to yourself.
@RockyRoad
“And that from someone with the handle of “Reich”? I’d say your opinion that everybody is wrong except you should actually apply to yourself.”
Is that all?
OK! The handle thing. You don’t know where it is coming from and I ain’t gonna tell you. However “reich” in German means ‘rich’ on the one hand and ’empire’ (loosely translated) on the other. So what is your point?
The “everybody is wrong except you”. Where did I say that? Seriously? Let me quote DirkH:
“We are right 50 % of the time.”
Did you get annoyed with me not agreeing on your Berlin Wall comparison? Or why are you getting so snappy?
“The polar bears are not dying off, no. They are moving to Uckermark. I’m not a climate skeptic, I’m just disappointed.”
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“disappointed” is a lovers word, or so it seems:
http://freefalldrifter.blogspot.com/2005/04/disappointed-is-lovers-word.html
Reich.Eschhaus says:
April 19, 2013 at 4:57 pm
“funny: “Cognitive dissonance is a national sport.” I know Germans are happy discussing things, and they are not necessarily easily persuaded by discussions with others. However there exists a broad spectrum of opinion in Germany. DirkH however thinks that cognitive dissonance is at work throughout the nation, but doesn’t consider the option that he himself could be wrong.”
I am a German, live in Germany, work in Germany, talk to Germans, and dismantle their (public TV delivered pseudo) arguments in an instant. Could I be wrong? Sure. But for now, I have found no resistance. This is a populacve hypnotized by the dummy box. (They don’t even know the term)
“I am a German, live in Germany, work in Germany, talk to Germans,”
OK, that’s settled then!
“and dismantle their (public TV delivered pseudo) arguments in an instant. ”
Which arguments? By whom? All powered by public TV? Btw I can go argue in any country you like, and demolish arguments brought forth by a subsection of the population in an instant on many subjects I know something about. What’s your point? Are you unhappy that they don’t agree with you?
“Could I be wrong? Sure. But for now, I have found no resistance. ”
You are definitely wrong! (so am I). But what I like to know is what this national self delusion is that you think you have recognized. What is it about? How did it came to be? That is the interesting part! Is it only about global warming? Or is it a more general mind set? Be explicit and extensive. I like to know.
“This is a populacve hypnotized by the dummy box. (They don’t even know the term)”
What’s a dummy box?
R.E explains the joke. It needed explaining, because this oceans boiling bit has never been a laughing matter before. Something new in the culture.
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Derek Sorensen says:
April 19, 2013 at 9:38 am
Luther Wu says:
April 19, 2013 at 8:58 am
Rating points are the cobblestones on the road to hell.
The most significant difference I have noticed when they have been implemented on other sites is a general reduction in the number of comments. It appears to me that, when rating systems are introduced, people tend to use them instead of commenting. This might be considered by some to be a good thing but I’d prefer it not be there. I’d rather read people’s thoughts than learn that “five people rated this comment as good.”
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Thanks for the reply.
Comment rating systems have been and are being actively used in the blog world as a tool to stifle debate and honest dissent. Many people know this, as there is a well- known political blog which put a similar plan (karma points) in place and then quickly descended into one of the most partisan halls of twisted logic and distorted truth on the web.
To be fair, that “other blog” also uses other methods to promote their world views, none of which appear here, except as comments about the tools employed by those promoting the ideas against which we raise our voices.
Those who know me by my history here at WUWT (hopefully) realize that I intend no disrespect to Anthony, the moderators, readers or contributors of any stripe, by making known my cautionary opinion on this matter.
DirkH.
I would suggest that what holds for Germany in general holds for the English. Nor so much perhaps for the Scots, Welsh & Irish.
I hope AfD gets some hold even though they’re not yet EuroSceptic.
DaveE.
Luther Wu says:
April 19, 2013 at 8:58 am
Rating points are the cobblestones on the road to hell.
Without a discussion thread about this extraordinary change to WUWT commentary format, I’ve nowhere else to comment.
11(+) 16(-) Rate This
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Alright, here’s a quick follow- up… My original post at 8:58 am was immediately published. That has never happened to me before the implementation of this new plan, so I can assume:
a) the instant publish was an artifact of having no previous score
b) a mod was sitting on top of the blog at the time and ok’d the post
If choice a), then since the ratings now show me in negative territory:
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Luther Wu says:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
April 19, 2013 at 5:27 pm
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becomes somewhat disconcerting… “what if” my points continue to decline? Do I ( and obviously others) get moved further towards Coventry? Do we lose our voices?
If so, is my point not made?
The terminology gets confusing. By EuroSceptic, I meant EUSceptic. I know they’re anti Euro.
DaveE.
Well Ich sprache sehr wegen Deutsch and am only learning one phrase at a time.So I cant read the original. But my hunch is that this is ALL irony, not aimed at the CAGW idea but for its own sake in the context of defusing doubts among believers.
I dont as yet see any evidence of the CAGW meme losing its hold in the foreseeable future. Saying its happening over something like this is dangerously complacent.
Most of those of us here will in all ikelihood be dead and buried before CAGW dogma bites the dust.
Luther Wu says:
April 19, 2013 at 5:42 pm
As I understand it, the site is now effectively moderation free except for a few key words which go to moderation.
These will give you the awaiting moderation message as you had before.
Then there are posts which fall foul of WordPress which appear to disappear until the mods dredge the spam bin.
I think that is how it works.
Having said that, I am also against the popularity contest that is the thumbs up/down
DaveE.
David A. Evans says:
April 19, 2013 at 5:51 pm
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Thanks, Dave- you are quick!!!
You beat me to my apologetic world tour of this thread… I went back in time and read what’s up with all this… I get it now. That’ll teach me to take a few days off and go fishing!
I would like to think that we are all wired up in such a way as to immediately rise and defend against injustice, or “wrongness”, which is why Anthony’s efforts have turned into such a long fight. Those true believers who are out to save the planet believe fervently that they are on the side of righteousness, but unfortunately have been so blinded by belief that no amount of truth has been able to move them, to date.
love the economy of words in this post:. reposted from
http://notrickszone.com/2013/04/19/mother-of-german-green-weeklies-die-zeit-shocks-readers-now-casts-doubt-on-global-warming/
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Lloyd Martin Hendaye
19. April 2013 at 18:04
There are those who warned from Day One against according such extreme-reactionary Luddite sociopaths any credibility.
Acting from ill-will, in bad faith under false pretenses, Klimat Kultists’ truly vicious sabotage of global coal-oil-nuclear economies has condemed untold tens-of-millions to impoverishment, misery, even frigid death.
Layman or cognoscenti, no individual with critical faculties intact accommodates Warmists’ anti-human agitprop a moment. Massive fraud clothed in ridiculous pseudo-scientific jargon is their sole stock-in-trade. Rene Blondlot, J.B. Rhine, Trofim Lysenko, Immanuel Velikovsky, have nothing on the Green Gang of Briffa, Hansen, Jones, Mann,Trenberth and their ilk.
Anyone not familiar with these names should review decades of proctocratic screeds by Paul Ehrlich, John Holdren, Keith Farnish, Kentti Linkola, Hans-Joachim Schellnhuber. How these coprophagic sycophants fastened on Big Government to siphon off tens-of-billions in grant monies is major question.
In Maryland we’ve had the coolest winter/spring in a fairly long time – I haven’t heard much talk of that. My electric bill always has the average temperature for the reporting period for the previous two it was 5 degrees cooler than last year. this reporting period it was 11 degrees cooler.
MikeEE
Reich.Eschhaus says:
April 19, 2013 at 5:51 pm
“This is a populacve hypnotized by the dummy box. (They don’t even know the term)”
What’s a dummy box?
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My parents used to call it the Idiot box.. The longer you watch the stupider you become… i cant believe im over 50.. And now the populace is more concerned about who is on American Idol than they are the liberals dead set on removing Americas freedoms and enslaving them to trillions of debt..
Dummy Box indeed!
Hi Bill!
“My parents used to call it the Idiot box.. The longer you watch the stupider you become… i cant believe im over 50.. And now the populace is more concerned about who is on American Idol than they are the liberals dead set on removing Americas freedoms and enslaving them to trillions of debt..”
Me asking what a dummy box is was in jest!
“more concerned about who is on American Idol than they are the liberals dead set on removing Americas freedoms and enslaving them to trillions of debt..”
The debt comes from the banks! Got liberals in your neighborhood trying to enslave you? Call the police! Who is dead set on removing Americas freedom? Is american freedom different from other peoples’ freedom? well, I don’t know…
.”Reich” guy says:
..”OK! The handle thing. You don’t know where it is coming from and I ain’t gonna tell you [in-joke with an audience of one] . However “reich” in German means ‘rich’ on the one hand and ‘empire’ (loosely translated) on the other….”………and to the rest of us means being bombed, shot at and having ones relatives exterminated in death camps.
So whose being disingenuous?
“So whose being disingenuous?”
You are!
When have you ever been close to the Berlin Wall?
Rocky Road…Berlin Wall….I think you’ll find Ronald Reagan, the immense might of the USA, Margaret Thatcher, her determination to deploy GLCMs in the UK, and a war in Afghanistan all had rather more to do with the fall of the Berlin wall than anyone’s off-hand remarks ofany kind.
Where are the analagous influences now?
They all support the CAGW status quo.
No, we aint losing our Berlin wall for a long time yet.
Steven Sullivan says:
April 19, 2013 at 11:56 am
I have to say you are WRONG, Global warming exist and the cost associated with sea level rise will be immeasurable.
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immeasurable = too small to measure.
Climate scientists have been telling us for years that sea level has risen 7 inches over the past century. And they’ve been telling telling their wives and mistresses that |—————————| this is 7 inches.
Stan W. says:
April 19, 2013 at 4:44 pm
@richardscourtney: Funny how you seem think to the only time natural variabilty isn’t acting is now.
You haven’t been paying attention to this site. We have been asking and challenging Alarmists to take into account natural variability and we have been doing it for years. They adamantly refused to do that until now. We continue to take natural variability into account. Read Bob Tisdale on the the natural variability found in ENSO, PDO, AMO and a score of other complicated natural processes that Alarmists continue to refuse to discuss. What Alarmists want is to pull natural variability out of a hat, rabbit like, as an excuse for the failure of their models. Not one of them will utter or write the phrase “natural regularity” and follow it with a name like ENSO. That would take them away from their models and into empirical science. They dare not go there.
Christopher Monckton was immensely magnanimous in his article http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/12/25/bethlehem-and-the-rat-hole-problem/
but then he is religiously christian.
Personally the accountability of those who have knowingly promulgated the scam and benefited from it at the expense of so many is more important than speeding the demise of the whole thing.
I suspect the ‘many’ will turn on them without prompting at some point. And frankly I doubt that any magnanimity or reasonableness on the part of sceptics will count for much at that point. Probably won’t be long.
Not to worry….the hardcore climate zealots, like John Holdren (White House science advisor) have it covered under the term “climate disruption.” They won’t go away that easily, see his presentation slides for the Grand Challenges Summit in Chicago, 2010 here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/microsites/ostp/jph-chicago-04212010.pdf
Q. “How can about 40% of CO2 increase in just about 31% of Mauna Loa measured years have no impact on the temperature?” [Jimbo around 12:15 on 4/19/13]
A. All of us without our head in the sands of the AGW Desert would say, apparently, it cooled it! [Nice point, Jimbo]
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“…water vapor … making 99.8% of all “global warming.” CO2 does only 0.2% of it [and ONLY ABOUT 3% OF CO2 IS EMITTED BY HUMANS and the % of that 3% that is due to all our WONDERFUL U.S. products such as the Corvette is .0000???? % –> For this we should destroy our economy?” [Adrian Vance around 1:30PM on 4/19/13] [Another nice point!]
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@ur momisugly Mr. Wu, while Dave Evans has a good theory (and is based on facts), yours has not been disproven. What word or words sent you to Spam Purgatory? It couldn’t have been “hell,” for that appeared from the get-go. Hmm. Was it “Anthony?” “stripe” “cautionary” WHO KNOWS?
I am still mildly disconcerted, especially since the moderator did not apologize for nor explain the mysterious delay in posting your 5:27PM (4/19/13) post. I KNOW that the highly vigilant regular bloggers here will report any similar events of any significance, however, thus, until more evidence comes in, I’m not going to worry about it.
No need to apologize! Your concerns were reasonable and the explanation you posited was plausible.
WOW! My 9:19 comment is now “waiting moderation!” Still not worried, though. What, me? {:)]