Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
In a recent post, I described how the El Nino/La Nina alteration operates as a giant pump. Whenever the Pacific Ocean gets too warm across its surface, the Nino/Nina pump kicks in and removes the warm water from the Pacific, pumping it first west and thence poleward. I also wrote about dolphins in a piece called “Here There Be Dragons“.
Fulfilling an obligation I incurred in the latter paper by saying I would write about emergence and climate, let me take a larger overview of the situation by noting that both the El Nino pump and the dolphins are examples of a special class of things that are called “emergent” phenomena.

Figure 1. Hands emerging from the paper …
Emergence is a very important concept. Systems with emergent phenomena operate under radically different rules than those without. Today I want to talk about emergent systems, and why they need to be analyzed in different ways than systems which do not contain emergent phenomena.
Examples of natural emergent phenomena with which we are familiar include sand dunes, the behavior of flocks of birds, vortexes of all kinds, termite mounds, consciousness, and indeed, life itself. Familiar emergent climate phenomena include thunderstorms, tornadoes, clouds, cyclones, El Ninos, and dust devils.
Generally speaking, we recognize emergent phenomena because they surprise us. By that, I mean emergent phenomena are those which are not readily predictable from the underlying configuration and physics of the situation. Looking at a termite, if you didn’t know about their mounds there’s no way you’d say “I bet these bugs build highly complex structures a thousand times taller than they are, with special air passages designed to keep them cool”. You wouldn’t predict mounds from looking at termites, no way. Termite mounds are an emergent phenomenon.
The El Nino phenomenon is another excellent example of emergent phenomena. Looking at a basin of water like the Pacific, there’s no way you would say “Hey, I’ll bet that ocean has this complex natural system that kicks in whenever the ocean overheats, and it pumps millions of cubic kilometers of warm water up to the poles where it can radiate the heat to space.” You wouldn’t predict the existence of the El Nino from the existence of the Pacific Ocean. It is an emergent phenomenon.
In addition to their surprising emergence from the background, what other characteristics do emergent phenomena possess to allow us to distinuish them from other non-emergent phenomena?
One common property of emergent phenomena is that they are flow systems which are far from equilibrium. As a result, they need to evolve and change in order to survive. They are mobile and mutable, not fixed and unchanging. And locally (but of course not globally) they can reverse entropy (organize the local environment). Indeed, another name for emergent phenomena is “self-organized phenomena”.
Another key to recognizing emergent phenomena is that they arise spontaneously when conditions are right. They don’t have to be artificially generated. They emerge from the background in response to local conditions (temperature, humidity, etc.) passing some threshold.
Next, they often have a lifespan. By a “lifespan”, I mean that they come into existence at a certain time and place, generally when some local natural threshold is exceeded. Thereafter they are in continuous existence for a certain length of time, and at the end of that time, they dissipate or disappear. Clouds are an excellent example, as is our finite lifespan.
Another characteristic of emergent phenomena is that they are not cyclical, or are at best pseudo-cyclical. They do not repeat or move in any regular or ordered or repetitive fashion. Often they can move about independently, and when they can do so, their movements can be very hard to predict. Predictions of a hurricane track are an example.
Another feature of emergent phenomena is that they are often temperature threshold-based, with the threshold being a certain local temperature difference. By that I mean that they rarely emerge below that threshold, but above it, their numbers can increase very rapidly.
Another attribute of emergent systems is that they are often associated with phase changes in the relevant fluids, e.g. clouds occur because of a phase change of water.
One final attribute of threshold-based emergent systems is crucial to this discussion—they exhibit “overshoot” or hysteresis. In the Rayleigh-Bénard circulation shown below, it takes a certain threshold temperature difference from top to bottom to cause the emergence of the circulation pattern. But once that circulation is established, it will persist even though you turn the heat down far below the initiation threshold temperature.
So those are some of the characteristic features of emergent phenomena.
• They are flow systems far from equilibrium that arise spontaneously, often upon crossing a critical threshold that is often temperature-based.
• They are not obviously or naively predictable from the underlying conditions.
• They move and act unpredictably
• They are often associated with phase changes, and
• They often exhibit “overshoot” (hysteresis).
There are a couple of kinds of emergent phenomena. Some of them are what might be termed “field-wide”. An example of this is the spontaneous emergence of “Rayleigh-Bénard” natural circulation in a fluid heated from the bottom and cooled from the top. Below is a computer simulation of RB circulation.

Figure 2. Rayleigh-Bénard circulation. Read down the columns from the left. Notations are times in seconds since the start of the simulation. At the end of six seconds (lower right) an organized series of rising and falling areas is emerging. It is characterized by narrower rapidly upwelling sections, separated by larger, slower-moving downwelling sections. Original Caption: Onset and development of thermal convection cells in Rayleigh-Benard convection. Note the regularity of initial “bubbles” and their coalescence to form larger loops.
Another, more complex type of emergent systems are what might be called “independent”. Examples of these in the climate world are thunderstorms, tornadoes, and dust devils. Unlike the field-wide emergent phenomena, these are free to roam about the landscape. Like all flow systems far from equilibrium, they are constantly adjusting and evolving to meet the physical constraints. For example, thunderstorms move preferentially across the surface to warmer areas.
As I said above, I want to highlight the difference between the analysis of systems that do and do not contain emergent phenomena. My thesis is that systems with emergent phenomena cannot be analyzed in the same manner as systems without emergent phenomena. The corollary is that climate models are appropriate only for systems without emergent phenomena. Let me give an example of each kind of system so you can see the difference.
For the first system, let me consider a flat slab of iron that is warmed by the sun or some other heat source in a vacuum. As the heat source varies, the temperature of the slab of iron varies as well. This variation in temperature with energy input is quite regular and predictable. If we graph the changes, we’d see that there are no sharp bends in the graph. In addition, the more energy that the iron is receiving, the hotter it gets, with an unchanging mathematical relationship between downwelling radiation and the fourth power of the kelvin temperature of the iron slab. So we could approximate it by a straight line.
Now, let’s replace the flat slab of iron with a flat slab of cool water, and we’ll add the possibility of clouds and thunderstorms as the emergent phenomena. Starting with cool water, at first, we’d see basically the same thing as with the iron slab—the more energy we add, the warmer the water gets. Everything is all nicely proportional, the water is acting just like the iron. (Yes, there are a million details, but work with me here. It’s a thought experiment.)
But at a certain point, a curious and surprising thing happens. A threshold is passed, and clouds form. And when they do, they reflect some of the incoming energy back to space. So we get a “knuckle” in the graph of incoming energy versus temperature. We’re no longer warming as fast as we were.

If the incoming energy continues to rise, however, a more surprising thing happens. Another threshold is passed, and thunderstorms begin to form. These cool the surface in a host of ways, most importantly by piping the warm surface air through the middle of the thunderstorm up to high altitudes. This avoids almost all of the greenhouse gases (H2O and CO2) in the lower troposphere and allows for free radiation of huge amounts of thermal energy to space. Not only that, but thunderstorms are radically different from a feedback because they cool the surface down to well below the thunderstorm initiation threshold temperature. This means that they can not only slow down a local temperature increase—they can stop the warming in its tracks and even cool things down.
And at that point, when thunderstorms start forming, the water basically stops warming. Further increases in incoming energy are simply equaled by further increases in thunderstorms and changes in their orientation such that the surface temperature hardly warms after that limit is reached.
Now, one of the claims of the AGW supporters is that there is a linear relationship between downwelling energy and temperature. They say that any increase in incoming energy must be matched by an increase in surface temperature. Despite the known non-linearity of the system, the claim is made that over a narrow interval, a linear approximation of the relationship between energy and temperature is a very reasonable approximation to the reality.
But in the thunderstorm part of the tropical thermal regime, it is important to note that not only is the relationship between incoming energy and temperature non-linear, but in fact, there is no relationship between incoming energy and temperature. So you cannot even approximate it with a linear relationship. In that regime, increases in incoming energy are generally balanced out by increases in thunderstorm numbers and associated increased evaporation and convection, leaving only small residual temperature changes.
So one reason you can’t simply map a linear approximation to a non-linear relationship is that in the thunderstorm regime, there is almost no relationship, non-linear or otherwise, between incoming energy and temperature. Given the number of phase changes of water that are involved in the thunderstorm system, this should be no surprise at all—the same exact situation occurs when water is boiling. The temperature of the boiling water can no longer be even approximated by looking at how much energy is going into the water. The boiling water system simply moves energy through it at a faster rate, it doesn’t run any hotter. The exact same thing is going on in the thunderstorm regime. If you increase the solar radiation, all you get is more thunderstorms moving faster. The surface doesn’t get hotter, the energy and the water just circulate faster.
There is a second reason that you can’t just take an average, then note that the average doesn’t move much, and assume linearity. The problem is that in the tropics, the climate sensitivity is very different depending on the time of day. Here’s why. First, without reference to anything else, tropical climate sensitivity is an inversely proportional function of temperature for several reasons.
• Radiation is a function of T^4.
• Parasitic losses increase with temperature.
• Emergent cooling mechanisms (thunderstorms, dust devils, rain) are temperature-based with high numbers appearing once the local system goes above some threshold of emergence.
So clearly, climate sensitivity is inversely proportional to temperature, falling as temperature rises. It is not a constant in any sense of the word.
Next, climate sensitivity varies over both space and time. In the early morning in the all-critical tropics where the energy enters the planet-sized heat engine we call “climate”, the temperature rises rapidly because of the lack of clouds—a high change in temperature per change in watts (high sensitivity). In the late morning, the watts are still rising but the clouds greatly reduce the temperature rise—smaller change in temperature per change in watts (low sensitivity). And indeed, certain areas at certain times can show negative sensitivity, and some areas of the planet are not sensitive to further forcing at all.
Now, the global average climate sensitivity, the one that people take as a constant, is no more than the average of these highly varying sensitivities. But the average is greatly misleading because it is taken as constant or semi-constant. In the real world, however, climate sensitivity not constant in any sense. It is both inversely proportional to temperature and highly non-linear.
For example, in Figure 3 above, the “climate sensitivity” is taken as the average slope of the linear trend line relating temperature and incoming radiation. As you can see, if the earth were like an iron slab with no emergent phenomena, a straight light approximates the curve extremely well at every temperature. But in the real world with water and clouds, the trend line is meaningless—it doesn’t represent the actual climate sensitivity at any temperature.
As a result, you can’t just say that because the global average surface temperature doesn’t vary much, we can treat it as a constant. The average is not real, it is a mathematical chimera. In the real world, we don’t see an average temperature. If the “average temperature” goes up by one degree, and it happens to be evenly spread out, let’s say the morning temperature goes from say 7°C to 8°C, while the afternoon goes from 22°C to 23°C.
But both the climate sensitivity, and the change in climate sensitivity with temperature, are very, very different in the two temperature regimes of morning and afternoon. It takes much, much more energy to go from 22°C to 23°C than it does to go from 7°C to 8°C. So while the average temperature doesn’t change much, that is highly deceptive. In reality, the dependence of sensitivity on temperature makes a huge difference in how the system actually reacts to changes in forcing.
To explain this in detail, I’m going to shamelessly steal, re-heat, and re-forge a section from my earlier post called “It’s Not About Feedback” because it is highly relevant to the questions I’m discussing. To understand why emergent phenomena are critical to understanding the climate, here is the evolution of the day and night in the tropical ocean. The tropical ocean is where the majority of the sun’s energy enters the huge heat engine we call the climate. So naturally, it is also where the major thermoregulatory mechanisms are located.
At dawn, the atmosphere is stratified, with the coolest air nearest the surface. The nocturnal overturning of the ocean is coming to an end. The sun is free to heat the ocean. The air near the surface eddies randomly.

Figure 4. Average conditions over the tropical ocean shortly after dawn.
As you can see, there are no emergent phenomena in this regime. Looking at this peaceful scene, you wouldn’t guess that you could be struck by lightning in a few hours … emergence roolz.
As the sun continues to heat the ocean, around ten or eleven o’clock in the morning there is a sudden regime shift. A new circulation pattern replaces the random eddying. As soon as a critical temperature/humidity threshold is passed, local Rayleigh-Bénard-type circulation cells spring up everywhere. This is the first transition, from random circulation to Rayleigh-Bénard circulation.
These cells transport both heat and water vapor upwards. By late morning, the Rayleigh-Bénard circulation is typically strong enough to raise the water vapor to the local lifting condensation level (LCL). At that altitude, the water vapor condenses into clouds as shown in Figure 5.

Figure 5. Average conditions over the tropical ocean when cumulus threshold is passed. Note that the clouds mark areas of local upwelling warm moist air.
Note that this area-wide shift to an organized circulation pattern is not a change in feedback. It has nothing to do with feedback. It is a self-organized emergent phenomenon. It is threshold-based, meaning that it emerges spontaneously when a certain threshold is passed. In the wet tropics there’s plenty of water vapor, so the major variable in the threshold is the temperature. In addition, note that there are actually two distinct emergent phenomena in the drawing—the Rayleigh-Bénard circulation which emerges prior to the cumulus formation, and which is enhanced and strengthened by the totally separate emergence of the clouds.
Note also that we now have several changes of state involved as well, with evaporation from the surface and condensation and re-evaporation at altitude.
Under this new late-morning cumulus circulation regime, much less surface warming goes on. More of the sunlight is reflected back to space, so less energy makes it into the system to begin with. Then the increasing surface wind due to the cumulus-based circulation pattern increases the evaporation, reducing the surface warming even more by moving latent energy up to the lifting condensation level.
Note that the system is self-controlling. If the ocean is a bit warmer, the new circulation regime starts earlier in the morning and it cuts down the total daily warming. On the other hand, if the ocean is cooler than usual, clear morning skies last later into the day, allowing increased warming. The system is regulated by the time of onset of the regime change.
Let’s stop at this point in our examination of the tropical day and consider the idea of “climate sensitivity”, the sensitivity of surface temperature to forcing. The solar forcing is constantly increasing as the sun rises higher in the sky. In the morning before the onset of cumulus circulation, the sun comes through the clear atmosphere and rapidly warms the surface. So the thermal response is large, and the climate sensitivity is high.
After the onset of the cumulus regime, on the other hand, much of the sunlight is reflected back to space. Less sunlight remains to warm the ocean. In addition to reduced sunlight, there is enhanced evaporative cooling. Compared to the morning, the climate sensitivity is much lower. The heating of the surface slows down.
So here we have two situations with very different climate sensitivities. In the early morning, climate sensitivity is high, and the temperature rises quickly with the increasing solar insolation. In the late morning, a regime change occurs to a situation with much lower climate sensitivity. Adding extra solar energy doesn’t raise the temperature anywhere near as fast as it did earlier.
Moving along through the day, at some point in the afternoon there is a good chance that the cumulus circulation pattern is not enough to stop the continued surface temperature increase. When the temperature exceeds a certain higher threshold, another complete regime shift takes place. Some of the innocent cumulus clouds suddenly mutate and grow rapidly into towering monsters. The regime shift involves the spontaneous generation of those magical, independently mobile heat engines called thunderstorms.
Thunderstorms are dual-fuel heat engines. They run on low-density air. At the base of the thunderstorms that air rises and condenses out the moisture. The condensation releases heat that re-warms the air, which rises deep into the troposphere.

Figure 6. Afternoon thunderstorm circulation over the tropical ocean.
There are a couple of ways to get low-density air. One is to heat the air. This is how a thunderstorm gets started, as a strong cumulus cloud sitting over a warm spot on the surface. The sun plus GHG radiation combine to heat the surface, which then warms the air. The low-density air rises. When that Rayleigh-Benard circulation gets strong enough, thunderstorms start to form.
Once the thunderstorm is started, the second fuel is added to the fire — water vapor. Counter-intuitively, the more water vapor there is in the air, the lighter it becomes. The thunderstorm generates strong winds around its base. Evaporation is proportional to wind speed, so this greatly increases the local evaporation.
This, of course, makes the air lighter, and makes the air rise faster, which makes the thunderstorm stronger, which in turn increases the wind speed around the thunderstorm base, which increases the evaporation even more … a thunderstorm is a regenerative system, much like a fire where part of the energy is used to power a bellows to make the fire burn even hotter. Once it is started, it is much harder to stop.
This gives thunderstorms a unique ability that, as far as I know, is not represented in any of the climate models. A thunderstorm is capable of driving the surface temperature well below the initiation temperature that was needed to get the thunderstorm started. It can run on into the evening, and often well into the night, on its combination of thermal and evaporation energy sources.
Thunderstorms can be thought of as local leakages, heat pipes that transport warm moist air rapidly from the surface to the lifting condensation level where the moisture turns into clouds and rain, and from there to the upper atmosphere without interacting with the intervening greenhouse gases. The air and the energy it contains is moved to the upper troposphere hidden inside the cloud-shrouded thunderstorm tower, without being absorbed or hindered by GHGs on the way.
Thunderstorms cool the surface in a host of ways, utilizing a combination of cold water, shade, wind, spray, evaporation, albedo changes, and cold air.
And just like the onset of the cumulus circulation, the onset of thunderstorms occurs earlier on days when it is warmer, and it occurs later (and often not at all) on days that are cooler than usual.
So again, we see that there is no way to assign an average climate sensitivity. The warmer it gets, the less each additional watt per meter warms the surface.
Now at the end of the day, you’d think the thunderstorms would die out. But as mentioned above, they generate their own fuel via wind-driven evaporation increases. In addition, they are driven, not by absolute temperature, but by vertical temperature difference “delta T”. And that difference between the recently sun-warmed sea and the far cooler air above lets the thunderstorms persist until early morning, around 3 AM, often crackling with night-time lightning.
Finally, once all of the fireworks of the daytime changes are over, the thunderstorms decay and dissipate. A final and again different regime ensues. The main feature of this regime is that during this time, the ocean radiates about the amount of the energy that it absorbed during all of the previously described regimes. How does it do this? Another emergent phenomenon …

Figure 8. Conditions prevailing after the post-midnight dissipation of the daytime clouds.
During the nighttime, the surface is still receiving energy from the GHGs. This has the effect of delaying the onset of oceanic overturning, and of reducing the rate of cooling. Note that the oceanic overturning is once again the emergent Rayleigh-Bénard circulation. Because there are fewer cumulus clouds, the ocean can radiate to space more freely. In addition, the overturning of the ocean constantly brings new water to the surface, to radiate and cool. This increases the heat transfer across the interface.
As with the previous thresholds, the timing of this final transition to oceanic overturning is temperature-dependent. Once a critical threshold is passed, oceanic overturning kicks in. Stratification is replaced by circulation, bringing new water to radiate, cool, and sink. In this way, heat is removed from the ocean, not just from the surface as during the day, but from the entire body of the upper mixed layer of the ocean.
There are a few things worth pointing out about this whole system.
First, this emergent temperature control system operates many places, but particularly in the tropics, which is where the largest amount of energy enters the hot end of the great heat engine we call the climate.
Next, sometimes increases in incoming energy are turned mostly into temperature. Other times, incoming energy increases are turned mostly into physical work (the circulation of the ocean and atmosphere that transports energy to the poles). And other times, increasing energy is mostly just moved from the tropics to the poles.
Next, note that this whole series of changes is totally and completely dependent on temperature-threshold based emergent phenomena. It is a mistake to think of these as being feedback. It’s more like a drunk walking on a narrow walkway. The guardrails are not feedback—they are a place where the rules change. The various thresholds in the climate system are like that—when you cross them, everything changes. The oceans before and after the onset of nocturnal overturning are very different places.
And this, in turn, all points to one of the most important control features of the climate—time of onset. How much energy the ocean loses overnight depends critically on what time the overturning starts. The temperature of the tropical afternoon depends on what time the cumulus kick in, and what time the thunderstorms start.
Finally, look at the difficulty in analyzing or modeling this kind of situation. You have a grid box that is far larger than any cloud or thunderstorm. And all you have to go on, the only things in your model, are the average statistics of that gridbox. And the main control system is the timing of the initiation of threshold-based phenomena that are far below your model’s gridcell size …
Think about say the average humidity of the tropical Pacific where there are thunderstorms. As soon as the thunderstorms kick in, they start discharging dry air up high. This dry air cools and descends in the area between the thunderstorms. So if you were to average the relative humidity of the bulk of the atmosphere across say one gridcell of a climate model, a hundred miles square or so, you’d see humidity falling as thunderstorms develop.
But this bulk drying of the downwelling air masks what is really happening. Under the thunderstorms, the storm-driven winds kick the evaporation into overdrive. The dry surrounding air is drawn in, loaded to the brim with moisture via the increased evaporation, and shot skyward at rates up to 10 m/sec. In a few minutes, it has moved up to the LCL, the “lifting condensation level”, where it condenses as clouds and rain.
As a result, despite the fact that the bulk atmosphere is drying, immense amounts of moisture are being moved vertically through the system. So simple averages are useless. The system is moving more water but the average relative humidity of the bulk atmosphere has dropped.
As this shows, increasing energy input may only increase the throughput, rather than increasing the temperature. Not all of the energy that hits the tropical ocean is immediately radiated back to space. A large amount of it is moved, via the ocean and the atmosphere, towards the polar regions before finally returning to space. This means that one of the crucial determinants of the temperature of the tropical regions, as well as of the polar regions, is the rate of energy throughput—how much energy is moved from the tropics to the poles. Once the system is into the thunderstorm regime, almost all of the incoming energy goes to simply turning the wheel faster, moving more energy from the surface to the upper troposphere, moving more air and water from the tropics to the polar regions. So instead of warming up the surface, the energy is moved skywards and polewards.
Again, however, these changes in throughput make the situation difficult to analyze. The dang system won’t ever stand still, it responds to everything that happens. How can one accurately measure how much energy is being moved and transformed by a thunderstorm? It can be done but it’s not easy.
An allied difficulty is with the size of the phenomena. Thunderstorms are one of the most common natural emergent heat engines on the surface of the planet. But they are way, way below the typical grid size of a climate model. As a result, they simply cannot be simulated in modern global climate models. This means that they must be “parametrized”, which as near as I can tell comes from the Latin and means “made up to fit the programmer’s preconceptions”. But while parametrizing a simple system is not difficult, parametrizing a system containing emergent phenomena is a very hard thing to do well.
In part, this problem arises from the very thing causing the need to parameterize—the small size of the thunderstorms. The problem is that those small thunderstorms cool down small hot spots before they ever get large. I have seen, for example, a single solitary thunderstorm in the morning, sitting over some warm spot in the ocean, with not another cloud in the sky. It was feeding off of some very local hotspot that had persisted through the night, and as long as it was hot, the thunderstorm stayed and cooled it down.
How on earth can one parametrize such an instantaneous response to excess warmth?
Thunderstorms spring up over hot spots and cool them down to below the initiation temperature of the thunderstorm. And that kind of quick proactive response containing overshoot is not easily put into parameters.
And given that all you have are grid box averages, how will you model the critical changes in the time of onset of the various emergent phenomena? If the cumulus doesn’t appear until an hour later, or shows up an hour earlier, it makes a huge difference. And of course, the clouds and thunderstorms never show up off-time. They emerges only as and when required, because their appearance is set by the immutable laws of wind and water and evaporation and condensation. It can’t occur late or early, it’s always right on time. But in the models, there are no thunderstorms …
As I mentioned above, there is a range of emergent climate phenomena. In general, they work together to maintain the temperature of the planet within fairly narrow bounds. The most important one of these is the tropical thunderstorm system described above. And there is something very critical about this system, something you may not have noticed so let me repeat it. A main control on the temperature is exerted by the timing and strength of the emergent phenomena, particularly clouds and thunderstorms. Now, here’s the important part. The time of day when a cloud forms is a function of the physics ruling the winds and the waves and the water and evaporation and condensation and the air and how they react to temperature.
Here’s why that statement is important. It is important because of what is missing—there is no mention of CO2 because CO2 doesn’t exert any direct effect on when clouds form. Clouds form in response to temperature and humidity and the like, not CO2.
So if there is a bit of additional forcing and the surface is a bit warm, the clouds simply form earlier, and the thunderstorms form earlier, and the nightly overturning of the ocean starts earlier … and that balances out the additional forcing, just like it has done for millions of years.
Nor is this just theory. I’ve shown that at the TAO buoys, days that start out colder than average end up warmer than average, and days that start out warmer than average end up colder … just as this theory predicts. See here and here for further discussion of the effect of emergent systems as seen in the TAO buoy records.
Now, note that I didn’t say that this kind of system containing emergent temperature control systems was impossible to model … just that it is hard. I’ve done a lot of computer modeling myself, both iterative and non-iterative models, and so I’ve both written and used physics-based models, economic models, models using neural nets, machine learning algorithms, computerized evolution models, tidal models, I’ve played the game a lot in a lot of fields and a lot of ways. It could be done. But it can’t be done the way that they are doing it because their way doesn’t account for the emergent phenomena. See my post entitled “The Details Are In The Devil” for a discussion of this difficulty in modeling systems dominated by emergent phenomena.
The emergence of clouds and thunderstorms radically cooling the surface, plus the increase in convection and evaporation with temperature, plus the thermal radiation going up as the fourth power of the temperature, all combine to put a serious barrier in the way of any increases in temperature. As near as I can tell, the climate models have no such barrier. In the model world, going up six degrees or even ten degrees seems to be no big deal, model runs achieve that without breaking a sweat.
But in the real world, of course, Murphy conspires with nature to make sure that every single additional degree is harder and harder to achieve … and emergent phenomena not only stop warming, they actively cool the surface down. Until both the theory and the models robustly embrace the emergent phenomena, the models will continue to be a funhouse-mirror version of reality … you can recognize it as some kind of climate but with all the distortions, you can’t use that as a guide for anything.
One last question—how would I recognize a good climate model? Well, in a good model all of the emergent phenomena we know about would actually emerge, not be parametrized … because the free actions of those emergent phenomena, the variations and changes in their times and locations of appearance are what control the temperature, not the CO2 “control knob”. So when the forcing from CO2 increases a watt or two, in an accurate model the clouds will emerge a few minutes earlier on average across the tropics, and the balance will be restored. This system of control by emergent phenomena has worked very well for billions of years, and it handles large swings in radiation every single day—it won’t be altered by a few watts of extra forcing from CO2.
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Richard of NZ average velocity is zero not speed but yes great analogy
Willis, this Escher image has troubled me for years. here is a 2006 take that involves layers of complexity.
http://www.geoffstuff.com/White_out.jpg
Overshoot and hysteresis are totally different phenomena. At least they are in electrical engineering.
Willis: Parameterization of complex phenomena also occurs in physics simulaitons, when they are beyond the reach of the simulation computers, or the known physics, or the minds of the researchers. Your attack would be considered naive by many people working of complex engineering problems because the job must get done. I have personally witnessed many researchers getting ahead using bad code that imitated the behavior du jour but which lacked rigor. In other words, parameterization vs simulation of emergent or even complex behavior is a much more widespread problem whose main cause it the desire to advance one’s career.
@Sanjay Punjab:
Would not an intellectually curious person start with the question of whether we should be really 33 °C colder than we are?
On another blog a few weeks ago, discussing the Met Office’s certainty about climate change, I opened my comments by saying “climate is complex”. A reply to my comment stated the following:
“Anyone who pretends that climate is complex clearly has no idea what they’re talking about. The climate of anywhere on earth is mainly determined by the temperature, humidity, atmospheric pressure, wind, precipitation, and atmospheric particle count; all of which are easy to measure.”
I wish I had had this article to refer to in response. Brilliant.
Thanks, Willis. This nicely summarizes my non-expert opinion why CAGW is crap: (1) We are here, and (2) crap-sellers always make the error of selling you too much, e.g. that some science is settled. For the young ladies: if a lover gives you expensive jewellery within the first hour, look around for someone else.
BFL:
Your post at February 7, 2013 at 6:52 pm is a mish-mash of misunderstanding and irrelevance. In total it says
It seems that you have failed to understand any of the above article.
The Little Ice Age (LIA) was not a “serious divergence” it was a slight variation in global temperature of less than 1%.
Interglacials are shorter “divergences” from “the long term glaciated ice ages” which are the normal state of the Earth. Emergent properties – be they known or unknown – may or may not be the cause of transitions between these states.
You ask,
“Also if the feed back correction is possibly that good, how can “some warming” be ascribed to the increase in CO2 with any assurance?”
The question is surreal because there can only be a feedback response to something (e.g. “some warming”) which exists.
And you also ask,
“Other possible factors with land based temperature measurements are the potential changes in local conditions even at a well sited locations. …. Sea surface measurements should be better, but are they when considering potential pollution sources such as trash dumping and liquid contaminant pollution from land runoff and oil leaks?”
This question is a complete ‘red-herring’. The article is not about accuracy, reliability and/or precision of temperature measurements.
In summation, you need to read the article again with a view to understanding it. The effort would be worth your while because the article is very good and you may learn something.
Richard
Sanjay Punjab:
At February 7, 2013 at 4:30 pm you ask
No. Any intellectually curious person would start with the question as to how you gained deific knowledge of what temperature we should be.
Richard
Steven Mosher:
Your post at February 7, 2013 at 7:53 pm is mostly snark so could be thought to be not worthy of an answer. But it may mislead onlookers so I write to address it.
Willis article is about heat removal from – and distribution within – the Earth’s climate system. Your failure to understand any of it is demonstrated by all of your post. And your misunderstanding of the article is explained by an assertion at the end of your post. It says
When told the energy into the system you know nothing about the temperature unless you also know the energy out of the system. The rate of energy out of the system is why you wear a coat to the football game at candlestick.
Richard
Very important to bring us back to the essential fact of the nonlinear / nonequilibrium emergent character of climate.
The only earth in which nonlinear / emergent dynamics would NOT dominate climate is an earth with climate equilibrium, in which the oceans were stagnant ponds (no current) and the atmosphere a permanent static doldrum (no wind). In such a world, current GCM climate models MIGHT make some sense.
Emergent ENSO might look something like this.
Nice to see some literature analogies posted in response to this thought-provoking article:
Richard G says:
February 7, 2013 at 10:01 pm
“There is nothing- absolutely nothing-
half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats.”-Ratty said to Mole
Gary Hladik says:
February 7, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Frodo: “You’re late.”
Gandalf: “A wizard is never late, Frodo Baggins. Nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to.”
— “The Fellowship of the Ring”
phlogiston says:
February 7, 2013 at 1:15 pm
“Human being says: “It never rains but it pours.” This is not very apt, for it frequently does rain without pouring. The rabbits proverb is better expressed. They say, “One cloud feels lonely”: and indeed it is true that the appearance of a single cloud often means that the sky will soon be overcast. However that may be, the very next day provided a dramatic second opportunity to put Hazel’s idea into practice”
Watership Down, Richard Adams
In the Watership Down quote the proverb “one cloud feels lonely” is referring to the Lyapunov stability of clouds (they quickly multiply and persist longer than they should) which is well understood by all rabbits.
I see emergent behaviour every day in the most mundane of materials — clay soil. Fine clay turns into a nightmarish sticky bog when wet, but a week’s strong sun later, and working it is like trying to eke an existence planting in the Negev Desert.
Now, one idea to stabilise the clay is to embed stones in it during the wet times. It doesn’t work — the clay just spits these intruders back out. How? When clay dries, it compresses, and the deeper you go, the more it compresses, because of the weight of the clay on top.
So any object inside the clay feels an overall slight upward force, due to the variation of compression, and soon the stones come merrily back to the surface.
Very neat, but you’d never suspect it from looking at a lump of clay.
Read this article on radio propagation which will give you some idea of what happens to electomagnetic radiation in the atmosphere including infrared.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_propagation
emergent phenomena
I suppose that pretty much describes people.
cn
@ur momisugly Steven Mosher
What’s the relationship of heat input to the temperature of boiling water?
Willis thank you for writing and posting this work.
I have a whole weekend ahead and am looking forward to learning so much.
Philip Bradley says:
February 7, 2013 at 8:43 pm
BFL says:
February 7, 2013 at 6:52 pm
So does this mean that serious divergence, such as the little ice age and the long term glaciated ice ages may be caused by unknown emergence’s?
A very good question.
Whenever this subject comes up, I always think of the Younger Dryas. In somewhere between 10 and perhaps 50 years the Earth cools between 5C and 8C. It stays there for 1400 years and then warms 5C to 8C in somewhere between 10 and 50 years.
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The general pattern of glacial / inter-glacial periods is indicative of a similar kind of process to Willis’ thunderstorms and the drunk on the path. That is a positive feedback , bounded by a stronger negative feedback.
The positive feedback causes the system to latch into one or other state and to pass rapidly from one to the other. The negative feedback ensures that the system is bound to remain within stable limits , limiting the range of the positive feedback swings.
It is possible that CO2 provided such a positive feedback at the end of the last glacial. Emerging plant life may have eaten enough of the new “excess” to cause a brief flip back, or whatever was ending the glacial may have eased or stopped and the positive feedback caused run-away cooling.
That is hysteresis. As someone else commented this is different to overshoot.
Slight overshoot may describe the post-YD ‘peak’ of several 1000 y before the last 9000y or so of cooling.
Greg Goodman says:
> The positive feedback causes the system to latch into one or other state and to pass rapidly from one to the other. The negative feedback ensures that the system is bound to remain within stable limits , limiting the range of the positive feedback swings.
Negative feedback is not the only way to remain within stable limits, and in the case of climate extremes like glaciations, it does not seem to have a role in establishing these limits. It may have a role in limiting the duration of one state or another, but that’s a different story.
In control systems, the stable extremes are either determined by structural limitations (control arm hitting a bumper), or by a limited power supply. It is actually not easy to come up with a negative feedback that would stabilise both extremes.
“My thesis is that systems with emergent phenomena cannot be analyzed in the same manner as systems without emergent phenomena. ”
Wolfram shows in “A New Kind of Science” that of 256 possible cellular automata of a certain class (one-dimensional cellular automata, with a rule table that allows exactly 256 different combinations), there is a subclass that develops unlimited and unpredictable complexity (while MOST of the possible rules result in trivial or cyclical behaviour).
Where “unpredictable” means – not predictable without perfect simulation of the system – you have to RUN the automaton to see what it’s doing, in other words. (Principle of computational irreducibility)
All natural systems are WAY more complex than Wolfram’s class of automata yet even in that super-simplified example emergent phenomena occur.
Verb sap… That Mauritz Escher drawing (used without acknowledgement) will still be under copyright.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drawing_Hands
Very interesting article. As someone who has lived in the tropics – unlike most of the CAGW advocates I suspect – the behavior of thunderstorms as a cooling off mechanism is something I have personally experienced.
A few notes on your hypothesis:
1) Your working model on the 3 states of energy behavior are interesting because they would explain why we are seeing ‘higher lows’ rather than across the board temperature increases. It isn’t that the highs are increasing, it is that the lows of the day are, and thus the ‘average’ increases. The mechanism thus is that the CAGW folks are right in the sense that more CO2 equals more GHG heat, but that they’re wrong in saying that all this heat has nowhere to go. Under your hypothesis, the increase in heat only matters in the transition into nighttime – during the day said extra heat is simply vented by existing homeostasis mechanisms.
2) Having said the above, there seem to be some implicit assumptions. I believe you are assuming that clouds don’t form at night? Is this a generally accepted fact? More importantly, as the nighttime temperatures rise, is there any possibility of this changing? Related to this is that you are also assuming thunderstorms only happen in the daytime. I don’t think this is true, though I do believe thunderstorms happen mostly in the daytime.
Another issue is the thunderstorm as the primary heat transfer vehicle. Thunderstorms are common in high energy and/or high differential areas, but I think to be credible, you’d have to also find some type of mechanism for the other areas – both temperate and cold regions.
Nonetheless – great stuff!
Willis says:
Now, note that I didn’t say that this kind of system containing emergent temperature control systems was impossible to model … just that it is hard. … It could be done. But it can’t be done the way that they are doing it, because their way doesn’t account for the emergent phenomena.
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I’ve wondered about this, whether or not it’s possible in theory to model climate handling Willis’s emergent phenomena. By ‘possible in theory’ I mean computationally feasible. For example, while it’s possible in principle to minimax map chess and use the results to play THE perfect game, it involves evaluating exponential possibilities and is computationally infeasible (back when I was in school my professors called problems like these non-deterministic polynomial meaning that while no way is known to solve the problem in ‘polynomial time’ on the inputs, you could at least write an algorithm to check the answer supplied by some unknown / non-deterministic technique in polynomial time). The point is, if something takes exponential time to work out – if you’re forced to build the whole tree of possibilities by walking down every possible branch, it’s generally only feasible for very small problems. Note that it isn’t really a function of the speed of the computer but of the work the algorithm needs to do.
At any rate, I enjoyed the article as usual Willis.
Philip Bradley says:
February 7, 2013 at 2:00 pm
My experience of Singapore and the Riau islands (within 100km of the equator) is that it rains at all hours of the day and night and there is no noticeable late afternoon rainfall peak. I tried to find a reference but couldn’t. Presumably no one has studied this. I’ll suggest the regime you describe occurs where humidity levels are somewhat lower than the high humidity levels close to the equator.
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I’ve seen the same on the equator. The sky is fully clouded for days on end and rain is continuous. It can lasts for a couple of weeks at a time. Usually there is little wind and the rain never lets up. Typically during the hottest part of the year. My theory was that it was like a massive, stationary tropical storm that never started rotating.
c1ue says:
February 8, 2013 at 6:43 am
2) Having said the above, there seem to be some implicit assumptions. I believe you are assuming that clouds don’t form at night? Is this a generally accepted fact?
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This is generally true in the tropics. Clouds form in the afternoon, more commonly during the wet season, then by morning the skies are clear.
There is also a vertical movement in the clouds. During the day the mountain tops are clouded, but at night they clear as the clouds descent and the sky overhead is crystal clear. The classic example is the Mona Loa observatory in Hawaii. Cloudy during the day, clear at night.
Eugene WR Gallun says:
February 7, 2013 at 9:32 pm
Water can change state over a huge range of temperatures. Just vary the pressure.