Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
For a while, I taught a course in human-powered machinery for the Peace Corps. You know, bicycle powered generators, treadle powered pumps, that kind of thing. One of the very rough rules of thumb regarding human energy is that an adult human can put out about a hundred watts on an ongoing, constant all-day basis. If you were to hook up a bicycle to a generator you could generate a kilowatt-hour every day … if you were in good shape and you put in a ten-hour day. Sounds like work to me.
Figure 1. Human-powered aluminum can crusher, Burning Man 2012.
I got to thinking about this number, one kilowatt-hour’s worth of electricity for a long ten-hour day’s work, in the context of the discussion about energy costs. Some people think raising energy costs to discourage CO2 production is a good thing. I say that raising energy costs, whether to discourage CO2 or for any other reason, trades a certain present loss for a very doubtful future gain. As such, it is an extremely bad idea. Here’s why:
The existence of electricity is perhaps the one thing most emblematic of human development. With electricity, we get refrigeration to preserve medicines and foods, light to extend the day, electric heat, power to run machinery, the list goes on and on. Now, as I showed above, we can hire somebody to generate electricity for us, at the rate of a kilowatt-hour for each ten-hour day’s work. Where I live, this day’s worth of slave labor, this thousand watt-hours of energy, costs me the princely sum of about thirteen cents US. I can buy an electric slave-day of work for thirteen cents.
That is why I live well. Instead of having slaves as the Romans had, I can buy a day’s worth of a slave’s constant labor for thirteen measly cents. That is what development consists of, the use of electricity and other forms of inexpensive energy in addition to and in lieu of human energy.
Now, here’s the next part of the puzzle. Out at the farther edges of society, where people live on a dollar a day or less, electricity is much more expensive than it is where I live. In the Solomon Islands, where I lived before returning to the US in 2009, electricity in the capital city cost fifty-two cents a kilowatt-hour, and more out in the outer islands.
Now, let us consider the human cost of the kind of “cap-and trade” or “carbon tax” or Kyoto Protocol agreements. All of these attempts to decrease CO2 have the same effect. They raise the cost of energy, whether in the form of electricity or liquid fuels. But the weight of that change doesn’t fall on folks like me. Oh, I feel it alright. But for someone making say $26.00 per hour, they can buy two hundred slave-days of work with an hour’s wages. (Twenty-six dollars an hour divided by thirteen cents per kWh.). Two hundred days of someone working hard for ten hours a day, that’s the energy of more than six months of someone’s constant work … and I can buy that with one hour’s wages.
At the other end of the scale, consider someone making a dollar a day, usually a ten-hour day. That’s about ten cents an hour, in a place where energy may well cost fifty-two cents per kilowatt-hour. Energy costs loom huge for them even now. I can buy six months of slave labor for one hour of my wage. They can buy a couple of hours of slave labor, not days or months but hours, of slave labor for each hour of their work.
And as a result, an increase in energy costs that is fairly small to me is huge to the poor. Any kind of tax on energy, indeed any policy that raises the cost of energy, is one of the most regressive taxes known to man. It crushes those at the lowest end of the scale, and the worst part is, there is no relief at the bottom. You know how with income tax, if you make below a certain limit, you pay no tax at all? If you are below the threshold, you are exempt from income tax.
But energy price increases such as carbon taxes don’t even have that relief. They hit harder the further you go down the economic ladder, all the way down to rock bottom, hitting the very poorest the hardest of all.
So when James Hansen gets all mealy-mouthed about his poor grandkids’ world in fifty years, boo-boo, it just makes me shake my head in amazement. His policies have already led to an increase in something I never heard of when I was a kid, “fuel poverty”. This is where the anti-human pseudo-green energy policies advocated by Hansen and others have driven the price of fuel so high that people who weren’t poor before, now cannot heat their homes in winter … it’s shockingly common in Britain, for example.
In other words, when James Hansen is coming on all weepy-eyed about what might possibly happen to his poor grandchildren fifty years from now, he is so focused on the future that he overlooks the ugly present-day results of his policies, among them the grandparents shivering in houses that they can no longer afford to heat …
Perhaps some folks are willing to trade a certain, actually occurring, measurable present harm to their grandparents, in order to have a chance of avoiding a far-from-certain distant possible future harm to their grandkids.
Not me.
I say let’s keep the old geezers warm right now, what the heck, they’ve been good to us, mostly, and lets provide inexpensive energy to the world, and thus encourage industry and agriculture to feed and clothe people, and let the grandkids deal with the dang future. That’s what our own grandparents did. They didn’t dick around trying to figure out the problems that we would face today. They faced the problems of their day.
Besides, according to the IPCC, fifty years from now those buggers are going to be several times wealthier than we are now. So why should I be worried about Hansen’s and my likely wealthy grandkids in preference to today’s demonstrably poor children? My grandkids will do just fine. Heck, they’ll probably have the dang flying cars I was promised, and the fusion power I was supposed to get that would be too cheap to meter, so let them deal with it. We have plenty of problems worrying about today’s poor, let’s focus on that and let the future take care of their poor.
The real irony is that these folks like Hansen claim to be acting on behalf of the poor, in that they claim that the effects of global warming will hit the poor hardest. I have never found out how that is supposed to happen. I say this because the effects of global warming are supposed to hit the hardest in the extra-tropics, in the winter, in the night-time. I have a hard time believing that some homeless person sleeping on the sidewalk in New York City in December is going to be cursing the fact that the frozen winter midnights are a degree warmer … so exactly which poor are they supposed to be saving, and from what?
w.
oldfossil says:
January 2, 2013 at 9:23 am
http://overpopulationisamyth.com
M Simon says:
January 2, 2013 at 7:24 am
Yeah, well, I never cared much for Buckminster, who is famous for being the inventor of the geodesic dome. When I was a kid, I found out that he stole the idea of the geodesic dome, and that was it for me and Bucky. I have no tolerance for intellectual thievery … even wikipedia notes that the first dome was built in 1922, and that Fuller merely showed up twenty years later, and patented another man’s idea …
Bucky was a genius, I’ll admit that … at stealing someone else’s idea, making a few cosmetic improvements, and claiming it (and even patenting it) as his own. As a result, your claim that he came up with the idea of “slave power” would have to be triple-tested by independent auditors before I’d believe a word of it.
w.
Caleb says:
January 2, 2013 at 7:54 am
That’s a first world solution, which never occurs in the developing world. In other words, even if it were to work, it would only touch the tiniest fraction of the poor.
w.
Has anyone else ever noticed that ‘Poverty” is an absolute necessity for those in government who want more control? That if there is no poverty to point to they will go out of their way to create it? In 1975 the USA dumped people who had been committed to a psychiatric hospitals out on the streets. At first this was in half-way houses with medication but that disappeared, hospitals were closed and the number of ‘Street People’ went up. Vagrancy Laws and county homes were also revamped.
I do not know what the answer is to the problem of those who can not fend for themselves, those who become suddenly very aggressive and threatening like my 16 year old grandniece ( asperger -threatens with a knife) but dumping them with no safety net into society is just not a good answer. For what it is worth the 20-year-old gunman in the Connecticut school shooting had Asperger’s syndrome.
Roisin Robertson says:
January 2, 2013 at 5:28 am
So it wasn’t the hottest summer in the USA this year(for the last 117 years), so it wasn’t the wettest year on record in the UK, so climate change isn’t happening, so the Gulf Stream didn’t move south when expected to move north in Europe this year? Laugh if you like about ‘young enthusiastic Greens’, Glad you all know so much and can smirk behind your hands about the destruction caused by (once freak, now normal) weather events (Sandy Superstorm, etc) Climate Science and understanding changes as more research is done….castigating everyone for not agreeing with you is hardly the way to win friends and start a communication..if the Greens are so wrong….
A good read…
” Climate change is a scapegoat for our failures
http://opinion.financialpost.com/2013/01/01/the-witches-of-warming/
S. Meyer says:
January 2, 2013 at 8:36 am
You are missing the fact that there are poor in the West, lots and lots of them, just like anywhere else. The people shivering and even dying from fuel poverty are in the UK, not Bangladesh … then think about places like Eastern Europe, where it’s worse.
w.
S. Meyer says: January 2, 2013 at 8:36 am
Well written and chilling. But I have one question from a simple-minded view of economics: if the West puts a tax on carbon, that should make energy more expensive for the population living in the West, hence reduce demand. If the West’s demand is reduced, there should be relatively more supply for the rest of the world, and, hence, prices for the rest of the world should go down. What am I missing here?
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The point.
We don’t want to pay a carbon tax. We like our energy cheap- the cheaper the better.
And you? Do you want to pay more for energy? Go ahead, there are lots of ways to do that. You can buy a widmill for $35,000. You can buy a solar array for a small fortune. But, I bet you don’t.
Robert Brown, thanks for your contribution above. You say:
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Since you have been wise enough to put on the flash goggles, I will be straight with you. I would be anyhow, you are one of the good guys.
I would not say it is “sacrilege” to say that the government should take over the energy business as a government monopoly. I would say it reveals that you are a physics genius … but not that in touch with reality.
Robert, if your idea worked, surely we would have had at least one of the world’s governments try it out … oh, wait, we have had some that tried it. Russia tried that, and China, and Cuba, and North Vietnam … funny, my memory says that didn’t work out so well.
No, I’m not saying you’re a communist, Robert. I’m saying that you have failed to learn from history. You have picked a system (state ownership of the means of production) that has failed everywhere and every time that it has ever been tried on a national scale.
The beauty of the Founding Fathers of the US Constitution was that they knew that people would lie, cheat, and steal if given half a chance. Accordingly, they built checks and balances into the system. Then you come along and say let’s give some unelected bureaucrats full control of the very lifeblood of our economy, energy, they wouldn’t possibly try to turn that to their own advantage, they couldn’t possibly screw that up, could they, what could go wrong with that? …
Really? You really think it’s a brilliant plan to turn the location, development, transportation, and distribution of energy, the most important thing in the modern economy, to the same folks that run the US Post Office? That’s your whizbang idea? Did you sleep through the Solyndra and allied scandals, where the US government was trying to do something like what you are suggesting? The reek of corruption from that one overwhelmed that of our local sewage plant, and before the Solyndra stench has even dispersed you want to try it again … Really?
Robert, I have huge respect for your abilities with math and physics, they far outweigh my own. Plus which, you are a good guy, which is always a plus on my planet. But turning the research, extraction, transportation, distribution and provision of energy over to a bunch of fat-arsed, overpaid bureaucrats? On what planet could that ever even possibly be a good idea?
I wouldn’t do it even if it sounded like a bulletproof plan. Why?
Because the bureaucrats have no skin in the game—they lose nothing if it doesn’t work, they gain nothing if it does work, and that kind of setup never, ever ends well.
Best regards, you can take off the flash goggles now …
w.
PS—The main difficulty with your idea is, what if you are wrong? The problem with government involvement is that once it is started down a path, it is very hard to change it, stop it, or even slow it down. We’re still paying farmers not to grow things, for example, and it wouldn’t surprise me to find out that we are subsidizing buggy whip manufacturers …
As a result, if the real energy source of the future is say artificial photosynthesis or cold fusion, not only will you have you wasted billions and billions of dollars on useless solar stuff, you will have a very hard time getting rid of the by-then established “solar industry”, AKA a bunch of rent-seekers with their hands out. Those kinds of jokers never die, and as a result, if we try your plan everyone on the planet may be running happily on cheap hydrogen or cold fusion, while the US is likely to still be stuck with the failed “Brown Plan” to utilize solar energy.
Willis, what a brilliant article! You’ve put the entire thing in perspective and wonderfully so!
The look to future woes is another ploy of distraction, of course, but it’s pointless and always has been. We don’t have a clue what the future will even look like. My grandmother was born in 1900, and I am – even now – in awe of her lifetime. She was born before electricity, born before cars, before planes, before radio and television. She wasn’t around long enough to understand just how powerful and useful computers would become, never mind see them in every home, but she knew of them, and she did witness man landing on the moon. She saw some amazing changes in her 70 plus years.
How would – how could – that generation back then have “saved” us now from what we perceive as problems? Had they even thought of trying to, you can bet they’d have got it wrong. They’d be thinking along the lines of not enough horses or maybe not enough wood in winter. And that was just a bit over a hundred years ago! What would those from 500 years ago be thinking?
Future generations will be a lot healthier and a lot better off only if existing generations face their own problems and stop sacrificing themselves AND their children on the Altar of Green. Making us all poor and ill and scared does not a healthy future make! Teaching our children guilt for existing is no solution for anything, either, in fact it causes more problems and more heartache and more hatred.
I am so incredibly grateful that this orchestrated crime – the biggest in all of human history – is being dismantled before my eyes. To get so close to the brink, to have handed over so much power and money, and STILL we pull back before committing the biggest act of mass self destruction ever devised. I’m in awe again – for certain, my grandmother never saw this one coming.
Each slave requires about 2000 calories a day in food. This of course is actually kilo-calories.
2000 kilo-calories = 2.32 kw-hr so the efficiency is 43%. That is quite good if you ignore the slave is actually going to require more food for all that exercise. One also needs to ignore childhood, days off, sickness, and old age. I figure you still are going to have to buy carbon credits to operate each slave.
You inadvertently revealed the growing horror of life in the third world. Human Slavery is on the increase, the UN estimates there are now some 10 to 30 million slaves in this century. There are now more slaves in the 21st Century than at any time in world history.
http://thecnnfreedomproject.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/09/slavery-numbers/
Slavery is an economic driven malpractice of EXPENSIVE energy in relation to cheap labor. Why? Machinery and automation compete with human labor to produce food and products. Hence any increase in energy costs makes it relatively more attractive to enslave a human. Thus the answer to Lazy Teenager’s comments, expensive energy in the first world gives an economic advantage to slavers in the third world to substitute slaves for machinery. The third world has an abundance of people that are readily exploited with corrupt governments all too willing to look the other way.
Shame on you liberals, just as you undermined individual liberty in the first world you crush human freedom in the third world. James Hansen has grown rich off the misery of others. While he may not directly profit from slavery in the third world, as a government paid elite, he personally practices a more insidious version of slavery via forcing taxpayers to labor for him against our collective wills. Refuse to pay your taxes and see what violence people with guns will do to force your cooperation. Liberalism has always been about slavery, just a more nuanced version is practiced in the first world.
@ur momisugly mpainter, Willis Eschenbach
No, I am not particularly fond of paying more for energy. I also do not think that the whole global warming scare has any solid scientific footing. But I argue a lot with my liberal friends and find that I need clarity of thought to do that. For example; I think we need to be honest about the unintended consequences of green policies. To me, it seems that this is going to hurt our low-income population, but not necessarily those of the third world. I think we could mitigate some of these hurts (low-income heating allowances for example), but I agree with you that high energy costs will show up in all prices and, being a very regressive tax, hurt the poor the most. The question then is: How do we prepare for the inevitable scarcity of fossil fuels in the not-so-far future?
rgbatduke your economics only make sense where the existing cost of electricity is already higher than 30 cents a kwhr. As Willis pointed out places like the Solomon Islands (third world) running at 52 cents a kwhr makes a solar and wind system with batteries cost effective.
Instead of burdening the first world with non cost effective energy production, why not LOAN money for “green” systems that would actually have an immediate payback in terms of kwhr cost? Would it simply not be cheaper for those areas to side step conventional energy for relatively cheaper green energy via a loan from the World Bank? This is of course makes too much sense and limits the opportunity for graft by politicians and their campaign supporters. Guaranteed profit is much better than risk of actually running a viable enterprise…
Yet another really excellent article by Willis Eschenbach which is very informative and thought provoking. The unintended and counter-productive effects of green fascist policies are now becoming more and more evident in the world as the years accumulate. The measure of 1 kwH per day for human effort is a very useful yardstick.
Al this talk about political and business elites manipulating and benefiting from ‘green’ policies, while largely true, misses the point of the ‘green’/AGW belief phenomena.
Yesterday, I happened to catch Australia’s only elected Green federal MP in a press conference. I normally tune these things out, but one thing he said stuck. That his Melbourne electorate had the highest proportion of government assisted housing in the country. In Australia, if you live in government housing, it means you are a long term welfare recipient.
So I asked myself, ‘Why are welfare recipients voting Green?’.
I think I know the answer. These people aren’t the traditional poor. They are what I call the new poor. There are large numbers in any university town. A caricature would be someone who majored in medieval poetry or spent a year in Italy training as a circus juggler. They are unemployable, except for unskilled work. They have found various ways to collect welfare and can generally rely on money from parents or grey economy activities.
They espouse ‘greenism’ and AGW, in part because of left of centre politics and they have plenty of time on their hands. In part because (and especially in relation to CAGW) they are externalising their own personal life failure outwards to a general failure of society, and CAGW fits the bill. Which is why they are so immune to rational and scientific arguments.
“The question then is: How do we prepare for the inevitable scarcity of fossil fuels in the not-so-far future?”
Another defining feature of the 1970s was the “energy crisis.” Two huge spikes in the price of oil. Shortages at gas stations. Commodity prices exploding. And these weren’t passing phenomena, experts were sure. Global oil production would peak “in the early 1980s,” concluded a group of leading scholars. There was an expert consensus on that point. In 1978, the executive director of the International Energy Agency warned that “all available evidence” indicated oil prices would soar in the mid- to late-1980s, and so “there is a very great likelihood of a major worldwide depression.”
Nobody needs to be reminded that we experienced a huge rise in oil prices up to 2008. They’ve fallen back since then but, just as in the mid-1970s, they’re still far above what they were before the spike and everyone is nervously awaiting the next surge. So naturally, it’s time for officials to scare the hell out of us with talk of peak oil.
Hello, International Energy Agency. Last week, the IEA issued a warning about peak oil. But with a twist: Peak global production of conventional crude oil actually passed in 2006, the IEA feels, but increases in unconventional sources and new discoveries will keep total petroleum production rising modestly for the next 25 years. Given the accuracy of the IEA’s past long-term forecasts, the agency’s modest optimism suggests we will soon be extras in a worldwide remake of Mad Max. What else? Oh, yes. Declining American power. It was all the rage in the 1970s. Henry Kissinger was convinced the two superpowers would have to make room for three more equals. Or more. “Multipolarity,” it was called. And is called. Because the conventional wisdom is exactly the same today. Go to Amazon, type in the words “America” and “decline,” and spend the afternoon browsing.
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/11/16/dan-gardner-welcome-back-to-the-seventies-america/
Gail Combs says:
January 2, 2013 at 11:43 am
Has anyone else ever noticed that ‘Poverty” is an absolute necessity for those in government who want more control? That if there is no poverty to point to they will go out of their way to create it?
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Spot on observation, Gail. The poor are more easy to control, especially if they have to jump through hoops to get food on the table. They will accept a smaller “carrot” dangled in front of them, too, being desperate.
I get the feeling this whole scam is just going to fade into the distance while everyone looks innocent and pretends they had nothing to do with it. I would love to see trials for the big players, and big jail time, too, but unfortunately we need outraged societies and governments with backbone to see that happen. It’s a shame, Green Crime against humanity is immense.
Willis you have posted the best form of retributive justice I can imagine.
For the leaders who have wasted our wealth on solar, wind and pixie dust energy, to ride these cycles when ever the sun and wind fail to provide the needed power.
Even at 100W each there is no shortage of these delusional regulators of the human condition, although most will only be good for 25W at first.
The beauty is as the output (physical fitness) of the first group of convicted scammers increases, the number of followers will be dropping.
Thats an ecologically friendly win win. As the kilowatt gym (Digging in the Clay) snickers at.
Verity Jones wrote on January 2, 2013 at 4:35 am about his proposed KiloWatt Gym.
I had a look at the posting. While it is humorous, it mixes kW and kWh, so the calculations of power usage, unfortunately, have no value.
IanM
@ur momisuglyIan L. McQueen
“it mixes kW and kWh, so the calculations of power usage, unfortunately, have no value.”
The KiloWatt Gym supposes a reasonable competence in conversion between power and energy by any reader who cares in the distinction. For those who would like a primer try here.
Time is Money.
Money is Time.
MorningGuy wrote on January 2, 2013 at 4:28 am
ever heard of solar panels???
you can pick up a 200W solar panel now for about $200, will generate about a 1kWh.
here in Oz 1kWh costs ~30cents – $200/30cents = ~700 days payback time
MorningGuy
There is a time figure missing in your calculations. Are you talking about using this system for one day? Without that specification your posting mixes watts and kWh and has no meaning.
IanM
Sheeesh… I wander out to relax on my nice chocolate-milk-powered bicycle and maybe stop off for some ethanol-based energy input and the whole thread is FILLED with stuff I can’t even deal with at the moment! LOL!
Meanwhile though, while I was out, I got an email back from one of my bicycle activist friends. I’ll share it here, without comment, but it anyone would like me to invite him here for debate I’d be happy to.
🙂
MJM
Here it be:
I don’t find Willis Eschenbach’s commentary persuasive.
He raises the issue of generating electricity by pedal-power as if that is the only alternative to unfettered use of fossil fuels.
And much of his economic analysis is based on that comparison.
He completely neglects what would happen to the proceeds from a carbon tax.
I’d advocate using gas and diesel taxes, for example, for public transit, bicycle and pedestrian projects.
Home energy taxes could be used for insulation and weatherization, for example.
And so on.
And, in places where electricity costs 52 cents per kilowatt-hour, they already have found substitutes.
They certainly do not use electricity at the rate that rich, cheap energy, countries do.
A carbon tax could put those countries in the forefront of the effort to find ways to live with less carbon-based energy.
We may learn from them.
He doesn’t recognize that environmental degradation affects most those near the bottom of the economic scale.
But, people with more resources can influence legislative and regulatory decisions that favor them and their own communities.
So “put the smokestacks in Chester, not in Chestnut Hill,” no matter who derives the benefits from those smokestack industries.
It’s a shame we have to make those decisions, but the more we use fossil fuels, the more times those decisions have to be made.
Finally, he seems to think the only outcome of climate change is slightly warmer winters in cold climates. That doesn’t even deserve comment.
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There ya go!
“Make the joule the fundamental basis of our currency”?
rgb… i’ve heard that one before. you’ll be differentiating between ‘money’ and ‘currency’, then.
you will find it necessary to redefine ‘money’ so you can erase its function as a store of wealth.
thought it’s no sillier than the notion that vajazzling backs gold, it won’t work nearly as well in practice.
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Philip Bradley said @ur momisugly January 2, 2013 at 1:35 pm
There’s more than a grain of truth here. The solution to Australia’s unemployment problem was to increase participation in tertiary education. To use Philip’s caricature, there’s only a very limited demand for circus jugglers and medieval poets. Unfortunately, most circus jugglers and medieval poets disdain physical labour. Since the “poor” in Australia now live at the same level as the middle class did half a century ago, there’s little incentive for them to “improve” themselves.
Back in the 80s, The Git was an unemployed “dole bludger”. Unemployment in my age group where I lived was around 25% and the Commonwealth Employment Service declared me to be “unemployable”. However, there was seasonal work such as picking apples and this is where it becomes interesting. I wrote a letter to the newspaper demonstrating that the wages for picking apples were insufficient to cover the loss of dole income when the expenses of going to work for the average family man were taken into account. This caused considerable anger among them who can’t do their sums.
There was a solution — contract picking — so that is what The Git did. Working very hard and being paid for the number of bins picked resulted in a very healthy income for a few weeks of the year. While this philosopher/historian/artist/writer/gardener/teacher [delete whichever is inapplicable] was happy to work flat out for twelve hours a day, very few jugglers and medieval poets are.
FWIW, when seasonal work wasn’t available, The Git was teaching himself how to use computers, became a Microsoft Certified Professional and charged between $65 and $90 per hour to train end users in the 90s, a considerable increase over the $5 per hour he had earned during his first season of picking apples on wages in the early 80s. How “unemployable” can you get?
Willis Eschenbach said @ur momisugly January 2, 2013 at 12:36 pm
Here in Tasmania, the reverse has been tried. For most of the 20th C, Tasmania’s electricity was supplied by the government owned Hydro Electricity Commission. In 1998 the Commission was disaggregated into three separate entities, Hydro (generation), Transend (distribution) and Aurora (retail). The government retained the Hydro, but privatised the other two companies. This supposedly was going to lead to cheaper electricity, however the reverse has occurred at an alarming rate. This, to me at least, was unsurprising; turning a business with one bureaucracy and board of directors into three distinct bureaucracies with three distinct boards of directors hardly seems to be an efficiency move.
Oddly, the village of Franklin where I live was one of the very first places in Tasmania to have an electricity supply. It was provided by the municipal council and unmetered; the cost was paid through rates. Being unmetered, most people left their lights on 24/7. In the late 1920s the state government compulsorily acquired the Franklin hydroelectricity scheme, introduced metering and increased the cost of electricity. Franklin’s citizens were promised in return a railway between Franklin and Hobart for which we still wait.
It seems more than a little perverse that Franklin’s electricity was at its cheapest when it should theoretically have been at its most expensive.