This post will remain at the top for a few days, new stories will appear below this one
UPDATE1: Andrew Revkin at the NYT weighs in, and semi endorses the leak, see update below – Anthony
UPDATE2: Alternate links have been sent to me, should go faster now. – Anthony
UPDATE3: The main site is down but a large “all in one” RAR file (and bittorrent) has been created by a readers, see below. – Anthony
UPDATE4: 7:30AM PST 12/14/12 reactions are now coming in worldwide, see here, and the IPCC is going to issue a statement today. – Anthony
UPDATE5: 8:30AM PST 12/14/12 The IPCC has issued a statement on the leak, see below. -Anthony
UPDATE6: 12PM PST 12/14/12 The real bombshell of the report is now evident, a lack of warming to match model projections, see it here
UPDATE7: 12:30PM PST 12/14/12 Prof. Roger Pielke Jr. Analysis of UN IPCC Draft report : IPCC ‘shows almost complete reversal from AR4 on trends in drought, hurricanes, floods’
UPDATE8: 5PM PST 12/14/12 Another IPCC reviewer speaks out, this time about water vapor trends – actual data and IPCC contradict each other.
UPDATE9: 2PM PST 12/16/12 A rebuttal to Steven Sherwood and the solar forcing pundits of the IPCC AR5 draft leak
Full AR5 draft leaked here, contains game-changing admission of enhanced solar forcing
(Alec Rawls) I participated in “expert review” of the Second Order Draft of AR5 (the next IPCC report), Working Group 1 (“The Scientific Basis”), and am now making the full draft available to the public. I believe that the leaking of this draft is entirely legal, that the taxpayer funded report report is properly in the public domain under the Freedom of Information Act, and that making it available to the public is in any case protected by established legal and ethical standards, but web hosting companies are not in the business of making such determinations so interested readers are encouraged to please download copies of the report for further dissemination in case this content is removed as a possible terms-of-service violation. My reasons for leaking the report are explained below. Here are the chapters:
From http://www.stopgreensuicide.com/
(which is down now, see updated links below in update #2)
Chapter 2: Observations: Atmosphere and Surface
Chapter 3: Observations: Ocean
Chapter 4: Observations: Cryosphere
Chapter 5: Information from Paleoclimate Archives
Chapter 6: Carbon and Other Biogeochemical Cycles
Chapter 7: Clouds and Aerosols
Chapter 8: Anthropogenic and Natural Radiative Forcing
Chapter 9: Evaluation of Climate Models
Chapter 10: Detection and Attribution of Climate Change: from Global to Regional
Chapter 11: Near-term Climate Change: Projections and Predictability
Chapter 12: Long-term Climate Change: Projections, Commitments and Irreversibility
Chapter 14: Climate Phenomena and their Relevance for Future Regional Climate Change
Why leak the draft report?
By Alec Rawls (email) [writing at http://www.stopgreensuicide.com/ ]
General principles
The ethics of leaking tax-payer funded documents requires weighing the “public’s right to know” against any harm to the public interest that may result. The press often leaks even in the face of extreme such harm, as when the New York Times published details of how the Bush administration was tracking terrorist financing with the help of the private sector Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication (SWIFT), causing this very successful anti-terror program to immediately collapse.
That was a bad leak, doing great harm to expose something that nobody needed to know about. With the UN’s IPCC reports the calculus is reversed. UN “climate chief” Christina Figueres explains what is at stake for the public:
… we are inspiring government, private sector, and civil society to [make] the biggest transformation that they have ever undertaken. The Industrial Revolution was also a transformation, but it wasn’t a guided transformation from a centralized policy perspective. This is a centralized transformation that is taking place because governments have decided that they need to listen to science.
So may we please see this “science” on the basis of which our existing energy infrastructure is to be ripped out in favor of non-existent “green” energy? The only reason for secrecy in the first place is to enhance the UN’s political control over a scientific story line that is aimed explicitly at policy makers. Thus the drafts ought to fall within the reach of the Freedom of Information Act.
The Obama administration implicitly acknowledged this when it tried to evade FOIA by setting up private “backdoor channels” for communications with the IPCC. If NCAR’s Gerald Meehl (a lead author of AR5’s chapter on near-term climate change), has working copies of the draft report (and he’s only one of dozens of U.S. government researchers who would), then by law the draft report (now finished) should be available to the public.
The IPCC’s official reason for wanting secrecy (as they explained it to Steve McIntyre in January 2012) is so that criticisms of the drafts are not spread out across the internet but get funneled through the UN’s comment process. If there is any merit to that rationale it is now moot. The comment period ended November 30th so the comment process can no longer be affected by publication.
As for my personal confidentiality agreement with the IPCC, I regard that as vitiated by the systematic dishonesty of the report (“omitted variable fraud” as I called it in my FOD comments). This is a general principle of journalistic confidentiality: bad faith on one side breaks the agreement on the other. They can’t ask reviewers to become complicit in their dishonesty by remaining silent about it.
Then there is the specific content of the Second Order Draft where the addition of one single sentence demands the release of the whole. That sentence is an astounding bit of honesty, a killing admission that completely undercuts the main premise and the main conclusion of the full report, revealing the fundamental dishonesty of the whole.
Lead story from the Second Order Draft: strong evidence for solar forcing beyond TSI now acknowledged by IPCC
Compared to the First Order Draft, the SOD now adds the following sentence, indicated in bold (page 7-43, lines 1-5, emphasis added):
Many empirical relationships have been reported between GCR or cosmogenic isotope archives and some aspects of the climate system (e.g., Bond et al., 2001; Dengel et al., 2009; Ram and Stolz, 1999). The forcing from changes in total solar irradiance alone does not seem to account for these observations, implying the existence of an amplifying mechanism such as the hypothesized GCR-cloud link. We focus here on observed relationships between GCR and aerosol and cloud properties.
The Chapter 7 authors are admitting strong evidence (“many empirical relationships”) for enhanced solar forcing (forcing beyond total solar irradiance, or TSI), even if they don’t know what the mechanism is. This directly undercuts the main premise of the report, as stated in Chapter 8 (page 8-4, lines 54-57):
There is very high confidence that natural forcing is a small fraction of the anthropogenic forcing. In particular, over the past three decades (since 1980), robust evidence from satellite observations of the TSI and volcanic aerosols demonstrate a near-zero (–0.04 W m–2) change in the natural forcing compared to the anthropogenic AF increase of ~1.0 ± 0.3 W m–2.
The Chapter 8 authors (a different group than the Chapter 7 authors) are explicit here that their claim about natural forcing being small compared to anthropogenic forcing is based on an analysis in which the only solar forcing that is taken into account is TSI. This can be verified from the radiative forcing table on page 8-39 where the only solar variable included in the IPCC’s computer models is seen to be “solar irradiance.”
This analysis, where post-1980 warming gets attributed to the human release of CO2 on the grounds that it cannot be attributed to solar irradiance, cannot stand in the face of the Chapter 7 admission of substantial evidence for solar forcing beyond solar irradiance. Once the evidence for enhanced solar forcing is taken into account we can have no confidence that natural forcing is small compared to anthropogenic forcing.
The Chapter 8 premise that natural forcing is relatively small leads directly to the main conclusion of the entire report, stated in the first sentence of the Executive Summary (the very first sentence of the entire report): that advances since AR4 “further strengthen the basis for human activities being the primary driver in climate change” (p.1-2, lines 3-5). This headline conclusion is a direct descendant of the assumption that the only solar forcing is TSI, a claim that their own report no longer accepts.
The report still barely hints at the mountain of evidence for enhanced solar forcing, or the magnitude of the evidenced effect. Dozens of studies (section two here) have found between a .4 and .7 degree of correlation between solar activity and various climate indices, suggesting that solar activity “explains” in the statistical sense something like half of all past temperature change, very little of which could be explained by the very slight variation in TSI. At least the Chapter 7 team is now being explicit about what this evidence means: that some mechanism of enhanced solar forcing must be at work.
My full submitted comments (which I will post later) elaborate several important points. For instance, note that the Chapter 8 premise (page 8-4, lines 54-57) assumes that it is the change in the level of forcing since 1980, not the level of forcing, that would be causing warming. Solar activity was at historically high levels at least through the end of solar cycle 22 (1996), yet the IPCC is assuming that because this high level of solar forcing was roughly constant from 1950 until it fell off during solar cycle 23 it could not have caused post-1980 warming. In effect they are claiming that you can’t heat a pot of water by turning the burner to maximum and leaving it there, that you have to keep turning the flame up to get continued warming, an un-scientific absurdity that I have been writing about for several years (most recently in my post about Isaac Held’s bogus 2-box model of ocean equilibration).
The admission of strong evidence for enhanced solar forcing changes everything. The climate alarmists can’t continue to claim that warming was almost entirely due to human activity over a period when solar warming effects, now acknowledged to be important, were at a maximum. The final draft of AR5 WG1 is not scheduled to be released for another year but the public needs to know now how the main premises and conclusions of the IPCC story line have been undercut by the IPCC itself.
President Obama is already pushing a carbon tax premised on the fear that CO2 is causing dangerous global warming. Last week his people were at the UN’s climate meeting in Doha pretending that Hurricane Sandy was caused by human increments to CO2 as UN insiders assured the public that the next IPCC report will “scare the wits out of everyone” with its ramped-up predictions of human-caused global warming to come, but this is not where the evidence points, not if climate change is in any substantial measure driven by the sun, which has now gone quiet and is exerting what influence it has in the cooling direction.
The acknowledgement of strong evidence for enhanced solar forcing should upend the IPCC’s entire agenda. The easiest way for the UN to handle this disruptive admission would be to remove it from their final draft, which is another reason to make the draft report public now. The devastating admission needs to be known so that the IPCC can’t quietly take it back.
Will some press organization please host the leaked report?
Most of us have to worry about staying within cautiously written and cautiously applied terms-of-service agreements. That’s why I created this new website. If it gets taken down nothing else gets taken with it. Media companies don’t have this problem. They have their own servers and publishing things like the draft IPCC report is supposed to be their bailiwick.
If the press has First Amendment protection for the publication of leaked materials even when substantial national security interests are at stake (the Supreme Court precedent set in the Pentagon Papers case), then it can certainly republish a leaked draft of a climate science report where there is no public interest in secrecy. The leaker could be at risk (the case against Pentagon leaker Daniel Ellsberg was thrown out for government misconduct, not because his activity was found to be protected) but the press is safe, and their services would be appreciated.
United States taxpayers have funded climate science to the tune of well over 80 billion dollars, all channeled through the funding bureaucracy established by Vice President Albert “the end is nigh” Gore when he served as President Clinton’s “climate czar.” That Gore-built bureaucracy is still to this day striving to insure that not a penny of all those taxpayer billions ever goes to any researcher who is not committed to the premature conclusion that human contributions to atmospheric CO2 are causing dangerous global warming (despite the lack of any statistically significant warming for more than 15 years).
Acolytes of this bought “consensus” want to see what new propaganda their tax dollars have wrought and so do the skeptics. It’s unanimous, and an already twice-vetted draft is sitting now in thousands of government offices around the world. Time to fork it over to the people.
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UPDATE1: Andrew Revkin writes in a story at the NYT Dot Earth today:
It’s important, before anyone attacks Rawls for posting the drafts (this is distinct from his views on their contents), to consider that panel report drafts at various stages of preparation have been leaked in the past by people with entirely different points of view.
That was the case in 2000, when I was leaked a final draft of the summary for policy makers of the second science report from the panel ahead of that year’s round of climate treaty negotiations. As I explained in the resulting news story, “A copy of the summary was obtained by The New York Times from someone who was eager to have the findings disseminated before the meetings in The Hague.”
Here’s a question I sent tonight to a variety of analysts of the panel’s workings over the years:
The leaker, Alec Rawls, clearly has a spin. But I’ve long thought that I.P.C.C. was in a weird losing game in trying to boost credibility through more semi-open review while trying to maintain confidentiality at same time. I’m sympathetic to the idea of having more of the I.P.C.C. process being fully open (a layered Public Library of Science-style approach to review can preserve the sanity of authors) in this age of enforced transparency (WikiLeaks being the most famous example).
I’ll post answers as they come in.
Full story at DotEarth
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UPDATE2: Alternative links for AR5 WG1 SOD. At each page click on the button that says “create download link,” then “click here to download”:
Summary for Policymakers
http://www.peejeshare.com/files/363425211/SummaryForPolicymakers_WG1AR5-SPM_FOD_Final.pdf.html
Chapter 1: Introduction
http://www.peejeshare.com/files/363425214/Ch1-Introduction_WG1AR5_SOD_Ch01_All_Final.pdf.html
Chapter 2: Observations: Atmosphere and Surface
http://www.peejeshare.com/files/363436270/Ch2_Obs-atmosur_WG1AR5_SOD_Ch02_All_Final.pdf.html
Chapter 3: Observations: Ocean
http://www.peejeshare.com/files/363436276/Ch3_Obs-oceans_WG1AR5_SOD_Ch03_All_Final.pdf.html
Chapter 4: Observations: Cryosphere
http://www.peejeshare.com/files/363436279/Ch4_obs-cryo_WG1AR5_SOD_Ch04_All_Final.pdf.html
Chapter 5: Information from Paleoclimate Archives
http://www.peejeshare.com/files/363436282/Ch5_Paleo_WG1AR5_SOD_Ch05_All_Final.pdf.html
Chapter 6: Carbon and Other Biogeochemical Cycles
http://www.peejeshare.com/files/363436285/Ch6_Carbonbio_WG1AR5_SOD_Ch06_All_Final.pdf.html
Chapter 7: Clouds and Aerosols
http://www.peejeshare.com/files/363436286/Ch7_Clouds-aerosols_WG1AR5_SOD_Ch07_All_Final.pdf.html
Chapter 8: Anthropogenic and Natural Radiative Forcing
http://www.peejeshare.com/files/363425217/Ch8_Radiative-forcing_WG1AR5_SOD_Ch08_All_Final.pdf.html
Chapter 8 Supplement
http://www.peejeshare.com/files/363436312/Ch8_supplement_WG1AR5_SOD_Ch08_SM_Final.pdf.html
Chapter 9: Evaluation of Climate Models
http://www.peejeshare.com/files/363436298/Ch9_models_WG1AR5_SOD_Ch09_All_Final.pdf.html
Chapter 10: Detection and Attribution of Climate Change: from Global to Regional
http://www.peejeshare.com/files/363436302/Ch10_attribution_WG1AR5_SOD_Ch10_All_Final.pdf.html
Chapter 11: Near-term Climate Change: Projections and Predictability
http://www.peejeshare.com/files/363436303/Ch11_near-term_WG1AR5_SOD_Ch11_All_Final.pdf.html
Chapter 12: Long-term Climate Change: Projections, Commitments and Irreversibility
http://www.peejeshare.com/files/363425220/Ch12_long-term_WG1AR5_SOD_Ch12_All_Final.pdf.html
Chapter 13: Sea Level Change
http://www.peejeshare.com/files/363425221/Ch13_sea-level_WG1AR5_SOD_Ch13_All_Final.pdf.html
Chapter 14: Climate Phenomena and their Relevance for Future Regional Climate Change
http://www.peejeshare.com/files/363425222/Ch14_future-regional_WG1AR5_SOD_Ch14_All_Final.pdf.html
Chapter 14 Supplement
http://www.peejeshare.com/files/363436309/Ch14_supplement_WG1AR5_SOD_Ch14_SM_Final.pdf.html
Technical Summary
http://www.peejeshare.com/files/363425223/TechnicalSummary_WG1AR5-TS_FOD_All_Final.pdf.html
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UPDATE3: a large “all in one” RAR file has been created by a reader “hippo”
Link to the entire set of documents, as single RAR archive:
http://www.filedropper.com/wwwstopgreensuicidecom
And now a bittorrent magnet link:
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:3f31ecb2a557732ea8d42e14b87aca7efb5dbcc7&dn=IPCCAR5&tr=http%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A80%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.publicbt.com%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.cc.de%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.istole.it%3A80
reader “krischel” writes:
It’s a folder with each individual PDF in it.
If you have a torrent client like Transmission, you should be able to copy/paste open up that magnet URL and start downloading.
Replaced Link with the newer one. -ModE
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UPDATE4: 7:30AM PST 12/14/12 reactions are now coming in worldwide, see here, and the IPCC is going to issue a statement today.
UPDATE5: IPCC statement here: http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/ar5/statement/Statement_WGI_AR5_SOD.pdf
Full text here in this WUWT post (easier reading)
G:
Your post at December 14, 2012 at 7:36 am makes several unsubstantiated assertions most of which are wrong. However, I don’t challenge your assertions: I write to request two clarifications of one of your assertions.
You assert
1.
Please explain the “threat” which you say has “severity”: is it imminent ice age?
2.
Please say any realistic possibilities which you think exist to avoid or minimise the “threat” which you think exists.
Until you provide these clarifications your post will remain a mindless rant which wastes space in this thread.
Richard
@FrankK
The report says in the very next paragraph that peer-reviewed scientific literature has disproven the cosmic ray effect. The very next paragraph. The only reason this the cosmic ray effect is included in the report at all was so that it could acknowledge and then disprove all other theories – it’s standard scientific procedure. This whole episode is due to Rawls, quite simply, quoting something completely out of context and sparking interest in people who hear what they want to hear, i.e. people like you. Read the report yourself, and please, prove me wrong.
Look, dickhead, if you’re going to publish something you stole, just go ahead and do it. Your self-aggrandizing and incompetent rationalizations aren’t helping, and it’s obvious you don’t know what you’re talking about anyway. (Nothing is “properly in the public domain under the Freedom of Information Act”. FOIA has nothing to do with public domain, and the existence of FOIA doesn’t give you the right to publish anything. It just gives you the right to request documents from the federal government, subject to their being legally available to the public to begin with – not the right to publish documents you received illegally. Saying something is “in the public domain under the Freedom of Information Act” is like saying it’s “in the public domain due to my library card” – it just makes you sound ignorant.)
REPLY: Reconcile your hatred with previous IPCC statements, show your work – Anthony
Some prior remarks by IPCC chairman, Rajendra Pachauri:
“The IPCC is a totally transparent organization…Whatever we do is available for scrutiny at every stage.” – magazine interview, May 2009
“The objective and transparent manner in which the IPCC functions…should convey conviction on the strength of its findings to all rational persons…” – testimony to a US Senate committee, February 2009
“[The IPCC’s] work is carried out with complete transparency and objectivity…” – speech to heads of state, December 2008
“So you can’t think of a more transparent process…than what we have in the IPCC. I would only put that forward as valid reasons to accept the science and the scientific assessments that are carried out.” – newspaper interview, June 2007
I went back and read the full Christina Figueres 360 interview and was quite struck by how the global guided transformation based on centralised planning she admits the UN is engaged in here fits with a UN education model for the West that arose in the early 70s. At the height of the Cold War. But being mandated now.
http://www.invisibleserfscollar.com/coercing-teachers-to-be-social-and-political-saboteurs-what-can-be-done/ was the story I needed to write but the Figueres quote updates the rationale for this continued UN meddling in Western societies and economies. So I used it to explain to teachers and parents why the mandated change in classrooms globally now.
The UNESCO early 70s report I was basing the ed story on explicitly says education is merely a part of a total economic and social transformation. What it called “The Learning Society” is totally planned. Chilling to read quite frankly. I guess Christina would call it “guided.” The report also admitted this could be seen as depriving human freedom but since it was in pursuit of the greater goal of changing human nature, temporary restrictions on freedom were acceptable.
I don’t if any of us would agree with this attitude born of the Cold War and still quite alive and well.
In September ’07, my wife and I had lunch with Dr Richard Alley (PSU) upstairs in the “Corner Room”, a State College land mark. Based on my process control background, his landmark icecore work on CO2 vs Earth’s temperature, and sun spot cycles 22, 23 & 24, I told him that it was the Sun, not CO2! CO2, being a lagging indicator, could not be a dominant forcing, it is a non-factor in Earth’s temperature changes. We discussed the science a while longer and he finally ended our conversation by saying:
“It has to be CO2 because we can’t find any other cause.”
Dr Alley, 5 years later, I told you it was the Sun! You should have listened! But if you had, look at the funding you would have lost!
Bill
@richardscourtney
The first step towards solving a problem is recognising there is one.
1. The threat is severe. Greenhouse gas emissions trap heat. Global greenhouse gas emissions are well above any natural average, due to human activity. The world is warming, and will continue to warm, due to the decisions we make. This increases frequency of drought, thus placing even more strain on global food supplies. It raises the sea level due to the melting of polar ice (which is already recognised to be destined for total summer melting), which will relocate tens of millions of people. All of what I’m saying is based on scientific peer review, done by people who have undergone years of scientific training and who put their careers on the line making these assertions.
2. The first thing we could do, is not break codes of moral conduct and release scientific reports before they are completed, and then quote them completely out of context. Every time we do this, it slows down the process of getting scientific, peer-reviewed information properly digested by the majority of the population, who rely on the media to break down and disseminate the information. We both don’t know for sure whether humanity is causing global warming. The difference is, you get your information from sources with no scientific background, and I do.
G says:
December 14, 2012 at 7:56 am
@FrankK
The report says in the very next paragraph that peer-reviewed scientific literature has disproven the cosmic ray effect. The very next paragraph. The only reason this the cosmic ray effect is included in the report at all was so that it could acknowledge and then disprove all other theories – it’s standard scientific procedure. This whole episode is due to Rawls, quite simply, quoting something completely out of context and sparking interest in people who hear what they want to hear, i.e. people like you. Read the report yourself, and please, prove me wrong.
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Welcome to WUWT. 8^)
This post is the most recent confirmation of your observation > Bill Yarber says: December 14, 2012 at 8:05 am
Incredible, isn’t it?
For all those seeding the old torrent magnet, please update to this URL:
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:3f31ecb2a557732ea8d42e14b87aca7efb5dbcc7&dn=IPCCAR5&tr=http%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A80%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.publicbt.com%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.cc.de%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.istole.it%3A80
The old torrent magnet was missing the summary pdf, and the new one has it. I’ve stopped seeding on the old URL, and will continue to seed the new one indefinitely.
G says: “The first step towards solving a problem is recognising there is one.”
Oh the irony, it burns. Perhaps you should look at the immoral and dishonest IPCC process as the problem, or say putting the answer before the question, CO2 regardless of the facts, as the problem?
I’d suggest you do a little research on Feynman’s definition of pseudoscience before you get on a ethical high horse and start charging at windmills there Don…
Well… here is my favourite failure of a universal CAGW prediction and serial failure to prove it true:
There is no reference to the problem of the poor prediction, made most explicit in the Fourth Assessment, of the upper troposphere warming faster than the surface. None of the measurements, satellite or balloons, show this, and no mentionof the intense debate around the matter.
Instead, both are absolutely silent on the matter. One table shows the Lower and Middle Troposphere and the Lower, Middle and Upper Stratosphere temperature trends and merely comments in the text that more data are needed for the Upper Troposphere. Not even the critical references from the peer-reviewed journals are cited.
It is for this that the word ‘weasel’ was invented.
@G
Forgive me for butting in but iI’d like some clarification please.
In your last post you offer a lot of ideas ‘based upon scientific peer review’ but cite nothing so if I may?
You say The threat is severe and go on to say:
Greenhouse gas emissions trap heat
This is true. It’s obvious in a laboratory setting. However it is little understood in an chaotic, atmospheric setting as observed. We do not understand with any confidence, the exact relationship between greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and global temperatures. Unless of course you are referring to models in which case I will remind you that the models are not evidence of anything and do not match observations.
Global greenhouse gas emissions are well above any natural average, due to human activity
What is the natural average? What gases are we talking about? Please cite what the average is for each greenhouse gas that you believe is a problem so I may understand just how far above that average we are. Then show me where I can understand the extent to which human emissions have increased the levels with an accuracy of some confidence in the measurement.
The world is warming, and will continue to warm, due to the decisions we make. This increases frequency of drought, thus placing even more strain on global food supplies.
Over what period would you like this assertion to cover? Are you aware that there is no observed increase in drought or the rate of change in drought?
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v491/n7424/full/nature11575.html
and that there is no strain on food production except in areas where that has always been the case and people are just too stubborn and continue to try agriculture there.
It raises the sea level due to the melting of polar ice (which is already recognised to be destined for total summer melting), which will relocate tens of millions of people.
You are aware the sea level rise has not altered for decades ( rate of change ) and whilst it is a positive trend it remains fairly constant and has in fact slowed in recent years?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/09/13/sea-level-acceleration-not-so-fast-recently/
You claim that the melting of polar ice ( much of which is due to Arctic ice being forced south by local weather patterns rather than melting due to temperature ) has some issues. The Arctic ice flots. It’s already contributing as much as it ever will to sea level due to displacement. Antarctic ice is actually gaining in ice so is not contributing to sea level as you assert. Please clarify.
As to part 2? All I can say is that you seem to believe that the IPCC AR reports are a ‘scientific report’ this is not now nor has ever been the case. It is a conclusion by a UN body intended to make a policy recommendation document for governments
Professor Sherwood at the Aussie ABC News:
Claiming that the evidence for a particular mechanism of enhanced solar forcing (GCR-cloud) suggests a weak effect is not a counter to the admission of substantial evidence that SOME such mechanism does have a powerful effect. As I wrote in the post:
Sherwood is in effect trying to deny this. He is reverting to the position that enhanced solar forcing can be dismissed because he thinks he has grounds to rate one proposed mechanism of solar amplification as weak, despite the now-mountain of evidence that SOME such mechanism is at work.
I charged in my FOD comments that this was an exact inversion of the scientific method. The authors were using theory (their disatisfaction with a particular theory of how solar amplification might work) as a grounds for dismissing the evidence, but evidence is supposed to trump theory, not vice versa. The sentence about the evidence pointing to SOME mechanism of solar amplification, even if we don’t know how it works, seems to have been added as a response to my charge of inverting the scientific method. Now Sherwood is going back to that inversion. He thinks GCR-cloud effects should be weak (a very premature conclusion) and decides on that grounds that the whole idea of enhanced solar forcing can be dismissed, despite that added sentence to the contrary. Choose your poison Sherewood: invert the scientific method, or acknowledge that all of the IPCC’s conclusions are based on TSI-only models, when the evidence says that there is more going on with the sun than TSI.
My Dear G: how deluded you are. Any professional with substantial radiant heat transfer knowledge, and mine came from being a metallurgical engineer where we use GHGs to heat and cool materials, knows the IPCC ‘consensus’ is totally wrong.
Explaining this Big Mistake is quite easy. When you have two radiating bodies, in this case the Earth’s surface and the adjacent atmosphere at nearly the same temperature, the two radiation fields interact such that the net energy transfer is the vector sum of the Poynting Vectors over all the wavelengths.
Because the atmospheric GHG thermal emission is apparently nearly a black body** in that wavelength range, it annihilates most of the same wavelengths from the Earth’s surface. The only GHG IR to be emitted is a limited subset of water vapour side bands. There can be no CO2-AGW – Never.
The reason this false science developed is mainly because meteorologists now climate scientists have misunderstood what a pyrometer measures. They think the pyrgeometer variant measures real energy flux when it can’t. So, the Trenberth energy budget is a glorious failure to understand basic scientific instrumentation. A secondary issue is that bolometers on satellites show the CO2 15 micron band is depleted at TOA and imagine this is because of absorption of surface IR in those wavelengths by GHG absorption. it isn’t – it’s self absorption of IR in the last absorption path**.
If this process of annihilation did not take place we truly would get the thermal runaway the alarmists in the IPCC claim. But it would have happened very soon after the Earth was formed and we’d be dispersed all over space. So, rest easy. those IPCC scientists are pulling your leg by using fake physics created by the people behind the scam.
I don’t give a damn about ‘consensus’. Few if any of the people claiming it have any qualification in this key area of physics.and the dumb followers have proved they’re dumb.
**There’s another instrumental problem here – it only occurs in the atmosphere so you can’t compare it with satellite measurements in a vacuum. However it doesn’t matter when you use net data. Bolometers in a vacuum measure the true signal.
To: G@8:07am 12/14/2012.
You base your opinions on info from scientific sources, so maybe you could clear up a few points for me…
What would be the ideal CO2 concentration on Earth?
Speaking of which, is the current level of atmospheric CO2 better, or worse for plant growth and the biosphere?
Has the Earth avg. temp (past decade) been ranging above or below the ideal temperature?
In other words, what should Earth’s ideal temperature be?
How will the Arctic Ice Cap raise sea levels?
Folks, let’s not get entirely focused on the GCR thing. Yes it is important, but my quick skim of just a few pages reveals that there is plenty more dubious science in this document. Gems like:
o they have a high level of certainty that ground level ozone in the future will be higher, lower, or about the same (yes, they actually said that!)
o they have a 95% confidence that the models are in agreement…. with each other. Wow. What about being in agreement with the temperature record?
o they do have some verbiage about forecasting, for example they ran their models with 1960 and 1980 data and show they have some skill. Wow, using data and models written in 2000, they can correctly model 1960 forward and 1980 forward. Big deal. What I want to know is how well models written in 2000 did compared to 2012. I haven’t found that kind of comparison yet, and I know of know model that predicted the cooling period we are currently experiencing.
o they predict LESS severe weather in Ch11, in opposition to everything they’ve been saying until now.
That’s just from a few pages of Ch11! My point here is that they are meeting again in January (see their just released statement) to consider revisions.
So let’s hammer them. Find the mistakes, find the obfuscation, the misdirection, document it and publish it. They’re behind the 8 ball and they know it. They either have to back down in the final draft, or they have to knowingly publish false information. They are scr*wed either way if we get down to work and start documenting this utter bullsh*t.
And let’s not leave the Summary for Policy makers out of it. Shred that too, turn up every instance you can of disparity between the science and the summary. Blog about it here or anywhere that you can get the issues made public. They’ll be forced to back down on those issues too for the final draft if we seize this opportunity and make the most of it.
G:
Thankyou for your reply providing a clarification to me which you provide at December 14, 2012 at 8:07 am. I deal with each of your points in turn except for your final point which I address first.
You say to me
Oh dear!
I get my “information” from the IPCC and primary sources (i.e. published scientific papers).
It seems that you get your information from propagandists.
I know for certain fact that any putative anthropogenic global warming (AGW) is too small for it to be discernible.
Human activities have some effect on global temperature for several reasons. An example of an anthropogenic effect on global temperature is the urban heat island (UHI). Cities are warmer than the land around them, so cities cause some warming. But the temperature rise from cities is too small to be detected when averaged over the entire surface of the planet, although this global warming from cities can be estimated by measuring the warming of all cities and their areas.
Clearly, the Null Hypothesis decrees that UHI is not affecting global temperature although there are good reasons to think UHI has some effect. Similarly, it is very probable that AGW from GHG emissions are too trivial to have observable effects.
The feedbacks in the climate system are negative and, therefore, any effect of increased CO2 will be probably too small to discern because natural climate variability is much, much larger. This concurs with the empirically determined values of low climate sensitivity.
Empirical – n.b. not model-derived – determinations indicate climate sensitivity is less than 1.0deg.C for a doubling of atmospheric CO2 equivalent. This is indicated by the studies of
Idso from surface measurements
http://www.warwickhughes.com/papers/Idso_CR_1998.pdf
and Lindzen & Choi from ERBE satelite data
http://www.drroyspencer.com/Lindzen-and-Choi-GRL-2009.pdf
and Gregory from balloon radiosonde data
http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/OLR&NGF_June2011.pdf
Indeed, because climate sensitivity is less than 1 .0deg.C for a doubling of CO2 equivalent, it is physically impossible for the man-made global warming to be large enough to be detected (just as the global warming from UHI is too small to be detected). If something exists but is too small to be detected then it only has an abstract existence; it does not have a discernible existence that has effects (observation of the effects would be its detection).
To date there are no discernible effects of AGW. Hence, the Null Hypothesis decrees that AGW does not affect global climate to a discernible degree. That is the ONLY scientific conclusion possible at present.
You say
Indeed so. And the first step to avoid causing unnecessary problems is to identify when a scare is unfounded requires no action.
You say
That is so wrong as to be risible!
Greenhouse gases (GHGs) don’t “trap heat”. They absorb IR photons so gain an excited state then emit other photons in random directions or discharge thermally by collisions. This alters the distribution of thermal energy throughout the climate system. This is known as the ‘greenhouse effect’ (GE).
GHGs are not “well above any natural average”. The major GHG by far is water vapour and atmospheric humidity has declined slightly of recent.
The world is not warming. There has been warming from the Little Ice Age (LIA) for three hundred years but that warming has been interrupted by pauses. There has been no global warming discernible at 95% confidence for 16 years (i.e. since 1996). It remains to be seen if warming from the LIA will resume or if global temperature will fall when the present ‘zero trend’ to global temperature ceases.
There are no decisions we can make to affect that.
The major anthropogenic (i.e. man-made) GHG emission is carbon dioxide (CO2). Additional CO2 is beneficial to crops, and this is why horticulturists spend money to pump CO2 into their greenhouses. Atmospheric CO2 concentration has been increasing in the atmosphere but it is not known – and cannot be known with present information – if that rise is natural or is a result of the anthropogenic CO2 emission.
(ref. Rorsch A, Courtney RS & Thoenes D, ‘The Interaction of Climate Change and the Carbon Dioxide Cycle’ E&E v16no2 (2005) )
There is no evidence of increased droughts and no evidence of increased floods.
Arctic ice is floating so its melting does not increase sea level (try melting an ice cube in a glass of water and you will be able to observe that there is no change to the water level in the glass).
Antarctic ice is increasing.
There is no increase to the rate of sea level rise which has been happening for the last ten thousand years.
You say
Thankyou. Please note the second co-author in the peer reviewed paper I reference above.
However, also please note that you have made a logical fallacy: a statement is not right merely because it is made by an authority.
You say
I agree that we should “not break codes of moral conduct” and I would not have leaked the AR5. But I can and do understand how others could think the moral imperative was to inform the public of what is being done in their name. If you want to know why I understand that then read my post in this thread at December 14, 2012 at 2:51 am.
Nothing was “quoted out of context”. The entire report was leaked and certain statements in it were cited because the person who made the leak thought they were noteworthy.
Peer reviewed information is NOT disseminated to the public. Indeed, your extreme misunderstandings are demonstration of that.
The public are being sold an untrue scare for reasons of personal interests by a wide variety of sources.
Read the subjects on WUWT. You clearly need to learn.
Richard
There are 3 mechanisms for amplifying TSI: GCR, UV stratosphere effects, and electric field effects. The IPCC review can not rule out any of them except with hand-waving. There is cherry-picking of evidence in this section (though not as much as last time). To accept a hypothesis (CO2 effect) when you can not rule out competing hypotheses is NOT science. The CO2 effect, especially in terms of the amplification idea, is as weak as these other hypotheses.
7.4.5.3 Synthesis
Although there is some evidence that ionization from cosmic rays may enhance aerosol nucleation in the free troposphere, there is medium evidence and high agreement that the cosmic ray-ionization mechanism is too weak to influence global concentrations of CCN or their change over the last century or during a solar cycle in any climatically significant way.
So high agreement by who? Using only Medium evidence, well that’s all right then. The clique get to write off a tranche of the science because there’s not enough of it and they’ve all agreed not to like it, talk about a closed shop. No wonder they are so secretive!
vukcevic says: @ur momisugly December 13, 2012 at 12:39 pm
In the East Europe politicians are far more dexterous in dealing with both ‘subversive skeptics’ and indeed with the climate change itself
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Fear not Comrade Vukcevic. The West is learning. Indeed Comrade Docktor Lewandowski of the University of Western Australia’s Cognitive Science Department has already given the definitive diagnosis:
Those who do not accept the Consensus are not only “conspiracy theorists and idealogues” but are denial-disinformer[s] — someone actively promoting denialistic thinking… denial predators
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On a side note from the same site:
Across the English speaking world public trust in journalists and the media is collapsing.
The Graph with data from 2010 vs 2011. Unfortunately the USA is one of the most trusting of western countries. I guess we believe the myth that the fourth estate looks out for the people’s interest.
I managed to download and I have read through. But I can’t really understand why the contents of this report would show anything about decisive the sun at all. Am I totally wrong or isn’t it so that the sun is in a rather steady “cooling” period. How would that explain the warming we have seen? For sure there seems to be stuff we do not understand about the sun, cosmic particles and clouds, but in the papers cited in this report have not found any good links.
7.5.3
Regional and global models systematically misrepresent the distribution of clouds, and cloud processes,especially those for shallow maritime clouds. One persistent shortcoming of global models is the tendency to only treat aerosol-cloud interactions in terms of stratiform but not convective clouds. In fact most GCMs neglect the radiative effect of convective clouds entirely. Recent efforts to consistently address both types of cloud representations represent a significant advance in large scale-modelling (Jacobson, 2003; Lohmann, 2008; Suzuki et al., 2008). Nonetheless our understanding of aerosol-cloud interactions is incomplete, and what is well-understood, is incompletely represented in large-scale models.
Makes you wonder why they are so damned sure about what is ‘actually’ happening.
But we must not question these science emperors clothing choices after all, ‘they’ know best!
If you are looking for one possible solar amplification factor – you need look no further than the Moon and its long-term [climate] effects upon atmospheric and oceanic tides. The Lunar tidal effects act in concert with the changes in the overall level of solar activity and so appear to
“amplify” the changes caused by the Sun.
Thank you to @richardscourtney for saying the things to @G that I wanted to say but in a much better presentation. That’s understandable given that he’s a respected scientist working in this area and I’m a retired builder who spends his time in motorcycle race paddocks.
I enjoy Richards posts, not least because even when I am showing myself to be the clueless layman he’s happy to respond and has never ridiculed me for my lack of knowledge and has taken me seriously and allowed me to learn.
That being said, even as Richard has covered some of my points I still would like @G to address the points I have brought up in response to his post but will wait ( if acknowledged) as i concede that his conversation with Richard takes precedence. I have plenty of time, I’m laid up with the dreaded manflu.
I’ve not yet commented on the thrust of this post and the solar connection as I don’t feel qualified to do so. I am a strong believer in solar forcings being the main driver of terrestrial and atmospheric temperatures because it’s the only idea that appears to make any sense to me but I’m not convinced that this paragraph taken out of context is saying what Alec wants it to say. But time will tell.
I am grateful to Alec for releasing the documents, I feel it was the moral thing to do because despite the IPCC claiming transparency they don’t ever want you to see how they get to where they get to and more importantly what they choose to dismiss in favour of that which supports their pre-disposed position. Every word on those pages is taxpayer funded and everything the IPCC does is in the public interest so we should be able to disseminate their work and freely discuss it despite their insistence that it’s a work in progress. We should be able to contribute to that progress so it becomes an honest evaluation for once.
G says:
You have made several assertions that are untrue:
“The world is warming”
Untrue. The world is not warming. The last warming trend ended before this century began, some fifteen years ago.
“Increased frequency of droughts”
Untrue. Actually, a warmer world means higher levels of humidity, less drought and a shrinking of deserts, as in the Sahara circa 4,000-6,000 years ago during the era known as the climatic optimum when temperatures averaged some 2 degrees higher than today’s. Most global climate models affirm that higher levels of humidity are a consequence of a warmer world.
“a strain on global food supplies”
Untrue. A warmer world means increased food supplies through higher levels of humidity, a longer growing season, and an increase of arable land.
“Raises the sea level…….relocate tens of millions”
Untrue. Sea level has risen for the last several centuries at or near the same rate seen today, which rate is not measured exactly, but at some 1-2 mm per year. This will stop when the next cooling trend begins, which some climate scientists predict within the decade. With sea levels rising for several centuries, no one has been relocated, except where local subsidence has occurred. The claim of relocating “tens of millions” is simply the sort of unfounded alarmism that gets propagated by politically motivated types. So, relax, don’t let yourself get bothered by the panic mongering.
You are in dire need of other points of view. Stick around WUWT and try not to get upset at views that are contrary to what the alarmists express, which views you seem to have swallowed uncritically. You could learn a lot here, if you are willing.
Admission of enhanced solar warming is a start but far too weak a statement . The sun is the major climate forcing factor where the energy is passed from the sun to the oceans to the atmosphere with variable lag factors
During the last 500 years there have been at least 4 major past climate periods where reduced global air temperatures , reduced ocean SST and reduced solar activity have taken place concurrently, namely 1650-1710, 1790-1830, 1880-1910 and our current period 2000-2012. One of these is happening during modern times where there is increased man made greenhouse gases while the temperatures are dropping. So the impact of Co2 seems not to be the major player even during this latest period. Any new IPCC report that does not acknowledge that there is an obvious major correlation that was previously understated between the sun, the oceans and atmosphere , the mechanism of which is not fully yet understood or adequately studied and where the sun plays the dominant part , is out of date and does not even begin to properly address the issue of climate change that is happening to day. To say that the sun plays a minor role is like saying , the brain has very little to do with human body activity. How the latest group of climate scientists of IPCC allow this scientific nonsense to go on during their watch should be the subject of a public enquiry.