UPDATE: video added below.
Tonight CFACT’s Marc Morano vs. Bill Nye the Science Guy CNN, Piers Morgan
9 PM EST
Marc Morano, Editor in Chief of Climate Depot, takes on Bill Nye the Science Guy.
Piers Morgan show, CNN 9 PM tonight (Tuesday) check your cable TV and satellite listing for Channel numbers
If you haven’t yet seen Marc in action, don’t miss this chance to see him live. Maybe he will ask about this video fiasco Nye did with Al Gore:
Why did they have to fake the experiment in post production if it was “high school science’ and so easy to replicate? Why hasn’t Nye called for this video to be removed from Gore’s website? (Still there over a year later) at http://climaterealityproject.org/video/ very first one top left.
Transcript at Newsbusters here
Could have been a good debate, but unfortunately Morano didn’t use graphs. Without graphs the murderers will always win.
You can’t show a LACK OF CONNECTION without graphs; but one good graph makes the whole point.
Words are worse than useless.
1. I really wish people would stop using the word “correlation” for the “coincident” rise of temperature and CO2 during a short period from 1978-1998.
2. Rosco said “Pretending the Sun shines 24 hours a day at one quarter power,”
Even this is incorrect. If you really want to use a flat non-moving Earth, at least they should allow for the incidence of sunlight on the surface, which gives an intensity factor of 0.57, not 0.5, so they should be dividing by 3.5 not by 4.
People who want to comment on the 16 or so year without significant warming need to remember that the CAGW fraud was started after only a couple of year of the coincident rise in CO2 and adjusted urban land temperature.
(well, probably not coincident, since the plan was always to adjust the data, how else can you lose thousands of remote temperature stations)
Downdraft says:
December 5, 2012 at 10:09 am
The real shame is that Bill Nye is corrupting our youth with his unscientific dogma.
The TV science guy was Mr. Wizard (Don Herbert) when I was young. He seemed to know his stuff and was much more interesting than Nye. I don’t know what he thought of CAGW, but I think it likely he would have been a skeptic.
I knew Mr. Wizard from watching his TV show, and Bill Nye is no Mr. Wizard.
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I remember Mr. Wizard. And I remember Bill Nye’s show.
Mr. Wizard would do a demonstration of something and explain what was going to or had just happened. He held kids’ interest because what he said and did was interesting. Bill Nye’s approach seemed to be that kids only have a short attention span so rather than hold their attention with the presentation and demonstration, let’s keep flashing things up that may or may not be related to the subject to try and keep their attention.
I just watched the video. Some have said that Marc came off as rude or something like that. IMHO, he came off as someone eager to say that he knew wasn’t being heard in the MSM. When he was about to drive the point home of whatever facts he’d just presented, the moderator interrupted and introduced something new.
“1. If you really wish people would stop using the word “correlation” for the “coincident” rise of temperature and CO2 during a short period from 1978-1998”
should read
1. I really wish people would stop using the word “correlation” for the “coincident” rise of temperature and CO2 during a short period from 1978-1998
allergy eyes, sorry !!!
I agree with the comments on Morgan from other Brits. He is a king-sized Cnut.
(Cnut was the guy who showed that he couldn’t stop the tides)
As far as I know Bill Nye’s only worthwhile accomplishment in any arena, let alone climate science, was as Speed Walker on the old Seattle area show – Almost Live. Too bad he’s become such a putz over the years.
Ken C. says:
December 5, 2012 at 4:19 am
I guess my question is simple. What if Bill Nye is wrong vs What if Marc Morano is wrong. Better safe than sorry I would say.
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By that logic, I assume you are in church on your knees praying feverishly every Sunday morning Ken, just in case what the Chistian churches(or whichevever religion) have been preaching for 2000 years or so is true.
As it would save your immortal soul if they are right and you did go. Better safe than sorry, doncha know.
Thought not.
Following, in hopes that Nicole will return with her rebuttal
Don Worley wrote:
No, but my doctor doesn’t prescribe chemotherapy for a cold either.
Medical practice uses rigorous testing.
Climate models fail to diagnose anything, and would be rejected by the AMA as a diagnostic tool.
Furthermore, climatologists do not have the credentials to engage in politics or economics, and yet they continue to try.
The field of medicine is filled with just as much baloney as climate science. I trust a doctor to set a broken arm or sew up a gash but the majority of doctors or researchers don’t have a clue when it comes to chronic conditions such diabetes, cancer, arthritis, heart disease and other such diseases. That’s because they tend to fix symptoms with a lifelong regimen of drugs; they’re not interested in looking for an actual cure or god forbid, preventative measures. The money is made by keeping people just well enough to function (and buy drugs and surgeries), there’s no money to be made at all by curing people. Cui bono – “Who benefits” is always something you should ask yourself.
Climate science and heart disease/obesity research are so similar in nature I’m surprised so few people talk about it.
Rob Crawford: “Do you go to lepidopterists for your population predictions?” Too funny!
NW says:
December 5, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Rob Crawford: “Do you go to lepidopterists for your population predictions?” Too funny!
No, but I always go to lepidopterists for my hurricane predictions!
Bill Nye, the [Bachelor of] Science Guy.
Not quite the same ring to his name when the degree is considered..
Do you go to a fossil person for your temperature statistics?
Do you go to a fossil person for tree rings readings?
Or a failure ex-president for climate predictions?
Or maybe a failed railway engineer / porn book writer ?
Did Morano mean to claim that no hurricanes of Category 3 or greater have hit the US since prior to 1900? Is that correct?
Ian Weiss says:
December 5, 2012 at 3:58 pm
From the transcript:
“Bottom line, big tornadoes, F-3 and larger since 1950s have dropped dramatically. Bottom line, we’ve gone the longest period without a major U.S. category 3 or larger hurricane hitting the U.S. since 1900, maybe the civil war.”
In other words, since 2005, no F-3 has hit. And this 7 year period of no hit has not occurred for a long time.
I think the BBC has “disappeared” the “debate” between Marc Morano and Michael Mann. Cannot find it anywhere. Anyone?
Ken C. says:
December 5, 2012 at 4:19 am
I guess my question is simple. What if Bill Nye is wrong vs What if Marc Morano is wrong. Better safe than sorry I would say.
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By that logic, I assume you are in church on your knees praying feverishly every Sunday morning Ken, just in case what the Chistian churches(or whichevever religion) have been preaching for 2000 years or so is true.
I sure hope no one confused Ken C. with me…I could not disagree more. To add to Tom R’s comment, I assume Ken C will get on his knees and pray to Mecca five times a day in case the Muslims are right and he has a beard and a black hat in case the Amish are right and he worships stones in case the pagans are right and has twisty hair and a yarmulke in case the Jewish folks are right and sacrifices a few virgins in case the Mayans are right and confesses his sins regularly in case the Catholics are right and worships Zeus in case the Greeks were right and rubs Buddha’s belly in case the Buddhists are right and kisses a snake in case the holy rollers are right and wears a turban in case the Sikh’s are right. Whew. It’s easy to push the precautionary principle to absurdity. For example, by applying the precautionary principle beyond reason, you’d spend all your money buying lottery tickets–after all, you might win. Spending one thin dime on reducing CO2 emissions when there is no (none, zero) evidence CO2 is a hazard is the essence of stupidity…like the lottery tax on those with poor math skills.
Morano won that ambush nicely, Bill Nye is so , well Bill Nye, that enough people will check out Climate Depot, to see what Marc was shouting about.
Piers is a useful idiot and he just got used, two clueless people of the faith, with a stitch-up all preplanned and they got creamed. It was worth having to listen to Piers blather,to see that.
Rude and scrambling for time, when arguing with righteous fools you have to get as many facts in as you can. Politeness would not have helped only played into the plan.
The lunacy of attempting to regionalize the medieval warm period, is one of those missteps you could not buy. Like the pronouncements, from on high, by the Mann, the10-10 klutzes and Travesty man. Its desperation time and the team is bleeding from a 1000 self inflicted cuts.
Bill Nye is no scientist.
The climate scientists have advocated avoiding face to face debate. If Bill Nye is their best entry they should be worried. The so_called Mann vs Morano debate was not a debate but staged event allowing Mann to say evil skeptics are hurting honest debate and then he turns around and calls Morano liar and viious hored assasin.
I am curious, how many actual face to face debates have ever had climate scientists present? If the government or taxpayer supported foundations are paying climate scientists like Hansen or Trenberth to advocate CO2 then we should demand that they face the nation in public debate where equal time is guaranteed and character assassination is forbidden.
Marc Morano did a good job from the start in my opinion, that is why Piers Morgan and Bill Nye were teaming hard to knock him off his game. Marc was handed a mission impossible and counters with all he could viably make it look ‘mission possible’ in very short amounts of allotted time. He was succeeding and they knew it, so they hurriedly cut him off, with little of any real substance.
MORGAN: OK. Let me jump in. Let me jump in. How do you explain that the Eastern Seaboard, for example, is getting some of the warmest weather it’s ever had at the same time that California has been plunged into storm after storm in the last week and you see New York last month had the worst hurricane it’s ever endured and so on and so on?
MORGAN: How do you explain that we’re getting so many of these freakish weather patterns if at the same time you’ve got all this extra CO2 in the atmosphere and all these people now guzzling up power and energy and emitting
MORGAN: Surely that is evidence, isn’t it?
I would have told Piers to simply go to Youtube and do a search on hurricanes of the 1930’s, particularly the Great New England Hurricane of 1938, when CO2 was lower. Floods of the 1920’s 1930’s on both coasts and the Mississippi River. Search heat waves and dust storms of that same time period along with drought and forest fires and see if you can come back and repeat what you just said.
David Ball says: December 5, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Andrew Montford, aka Bishop Hill, has a copy:
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/storage/MannvsMoranoNewshour.mp3
Discussion thread is here
And Alex Cull has provided a transcript
Ironic that the debate occurred on Piers Morgan’s show, as he is a source of unwanted hot air too!
@Goode ’nuff :
Close… but you don’t want to get mired down in numbers and dates and lists. Most folks in the audience tunes them out and mentally skips over it. Instead, you want a memorable ‘sound bite’ that makes a durable mental image. I would use:
“It was like this in the old days, the 1930s to 1950s. There is a 60 year long cycle, and that cycle has returned to what it once was. Older folks remember those days. Just like now.”
Give the image of old folks fondly telling young’uns about ‘the old days’ and reminds the younger ones that they have very short life experience; while triggering all sorts of folks to remember things from then (and some to remember old big storms that are misplaced in their memory too 😉
Say it in a tone that venerates Grandma and you have a ‘winner’ image…
Then, IFF you get some added time, you add the specifics of “The 1938 Hurricane” (or whatever)…