From Jo Nova, just unbelievable. Of course Lewandowsky is involved too:
Skeptics equated to pedophiles — Robyn Williams ABC. Time to protest.
Hat tip to Graham Young editor of Online Opinion. Follow his twitter account.
These comments by Williams are far worse than what Alan Jones said in October that created a national storm.
News just in: This morning on the “science” show Robyn Williams equates skeptics to pedophiles, people pushing asbestos, and drug pushers.
Williams starts the show by framing republicans (and skeptics) as liars: “New Scientist complained about the “gross distortions” and “barefaced lying” politicians come out with…” He’s goes on to make the most blatant, baseless, and outrageous insults by equating skeptics to people who promote pedophilia, asbestos and drugs.
Full story here: http://joannenova.com.au/2012/11/breaking-skeptics-are-like-paedophiles-drug-robyn-williams-abc-time-to-protest/
One wonders how many alarmists will stand idly by while this goes on. One wonders if the University of Western Australia will have the integrity to censure Stephan Lewandowsky for his ugly remarks and for his outright lies cloaked under the approval of the University ethics department.
They have become the merchants of hate.
http://www.abc.net.au/contact/complain.htm
UPDATE:
Graham Young writes in Paedophilia, climate science and the ABC
In today’s Science Show Robyn Williams smears climate change sceptics by comparing scepticism of the IPCC view that the world faces catastrophic climate change because of CO2 emissions with support for paedophilia, use of asbestos to treat asthma, and use of crack cocaine by teenagers.
Don’t believe me? Then listen to the broadcast.
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“Punitive psychology” as it is called, was widely used in the Soviet Union to incarcerate dissidents in mental institutions. In modern Australia the walls of the prison are not brick or stone, but walls of censorship, confining the dissident to a limbo where no-one will report what they say for fear of being judged mentally deficient themselves.
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lolz –
when you start filling your blog with content, plz consider the possibiliity of contriving that it should end up as a book.
there might be a market for lessons on how to think. if not now, then someday when the alternative is too costly.
Roger Knights – “Would you object to the commonly used analogy of a bowling ball on a rubber sheet to elucidate how mass bends space-time?“.
Well, yes I would (a bit), because of its circularity. It’s supposed to be an analogy for gravity, but in the analogy what bends the rubber sheet is gravity (used analogously for mass) and it only works as an analogy if we assume the sheet is already in a gravitational field (nothing would move on the sheet without gravity). So separating the analogy from what it represents is a bit tricky.
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Roger Knights,
Great, the dialog continues . . . . : )
Several points:
Fiirst – I do not object to davidmhoffer using analogy (or anyone else for that matter). I am pointing out my case that I think it weakens his scientific discussion to use analogy. I respect him and owe him my ideas to improve his dialog.
Second – The bowling ball and rubber sheet example you mention is not one of Einstein’s thought-experiments. It is a homey ‘cartoon’ (if you will) or crudely inapproriate (in my view) analogy about his general theory’s results.
Third – The bowling ball example is a misrepresentative cartoon at best, especially when you can simply Google search for Einstein’s space time curvature wrt his GTR. You get some more accurate graphics of actual mathematical space time curves superimposed on actual graphics of astronomical bodies that are beyond comparison to the fiction that is the a non-scientifically naïve and misleading bowling ball and rubber sheet. There are some great video representations too. N’est ce pas? Bowling balls? Rubber sheets? Nah.
John
What’s your opinion of analogizing earth’s atmosphere to a greenhouse?
The ABC is only trying to distract from their own culpability.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-01/muirhead-sentenced-today/4288758/?site=hobart
Then there’s their regular use of Jimmy Saville of the BBC, and the BBC’s recent attempt to falsely accuse Lord McAlpine of paedophilia. That was born of their own guilt and the pathological need of Left/Liberal types to justify their own failings by creating lies about even worse failings on the part of those they hate.
Re several posts:
“Analogy is a poor way to reason. The only trouble is, it is all we have.” I can’t remember who wrote or said that, but it is true.
A computer model is an analogy. A mathematical model is an analogy. A scientific formula is an analogy. All of mathematical science is analogies. All thought and communication about “reality” is at best similes (analogies). We model semiconductors using fractionally charged “holes”, because it is more convenient. We speak of “heat flow” in solids and use formulas consistent with fluids long after caloric has been abandoned. Nothing actually flows. Light waves aren’t; there’s nothing to wave. It is more a periodic transform between states, that can sometimes be conveniently modeled in some respects as a wave.
Anyone familiar with the history of science will know of the many, frequently over simplified, analogies used to suggest results. Very frequently it is much easier to derive a formula or calculate something if one has a good idea of what it should be by analogy. That is especially true in actually doing new science, not just following a cook book (another analogy). The same is true in preliminary checking of experiments, observations, and calculations. And, we’re back to Immanuel Kant’s “ding und sich”, and other philosophers almost ad infinitum and ad nauseum. Please no comments about “almost ad infinitum”.
What this thread is about is skeptics being considered delusional and to be considered dangerous lunatics as are pedophiles, promoters of asbestos as healthful to asthmatics, and smoking crack as normal and healthy for teenagers, by Robyn Williams and Stephan Lewandowsky on ABC (Australia) National Radio, “The Science Show”. We are talking about ABC’s acceptance of this defamation as unobjectionable. We are also talking about the seemingly general acceptance of ideas like this by climate catastrophists, the mainstream media, and governments.
Please note there were no qualifiers involved. (I read and listened to the entire thing.) Skeptics of anthropogenic climate catastrophe were directly compared to that degree of absence of connection with reality. This and the connection of anthropogenic climate catastrophe skepticism with Republicans (U. S.), and the extreme right were IMO the main import of the piece; not “similar to”, “something like”, “at an extreme could be considered”, “except”; but actually are delusional and dangerous lunatics.
Please note “Mann could be said to be the Jerry Sandusky of climate science, except that instead of molesting children, he has molested and tortured data . . .” [emphasis added] The only thing Mann was accused of was molesting and torturing data. The full statement was about the protection granted him being like that granted Sandusky, as has been stated repeatedly here.
In neither case did anyone write or say Mann or climate catastrophism skeptics were pedophiles, nor was this implied. Anyone who claimed otherwise about Mann should retract and apologize. A cursory reading or hearing of either could give a different impression, especially to someone of extreme emotional views on either side, but not by anyone intelligent and intellectually honest enough to actually pay attention to what was said and written. Anthropogenic climate catastrophe skeptics were directly stated to be delusional and directly compared to offensive and dangerous forms of this.
I deplore the extreme language and ad hominem arguments sometimes used by skeptics on this blog and others. I deplore the extreme language and ad hominem arguments sometimes used by climate catastrophists, and their applying epithets such as “den**rs”
Unless and until anthropogenic climate change advocates decry this type of offensive defamation, they are revealed as intellectually dishonest and ethically and morally accessories to it. Aren’t academics and intellectuals supposed to support minority rights and freedom of speech? Aren’t scientists supposed to support free and open inquiry? In both cases that is what they say. Isn’t the IPCC required by its charter to present a minority report? In each case, what do they do?
I do not take such language as used on ABC personally nor very seriously. However, the analogy pointed out by several here to previous suppressions of free speech and minorities must be given full consideration. “A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.” So, if there is somewhere you don’t want to go, don’t take the first step; if you already have, turn around. The climate catastrophists have long since taken far more than that first step, and do not seem to show any reluctance to take more and more to suppress dissent, free and open inquiry, and evidence contrary to their views.
I think we are beginning to understand how Galileo felt when opposed by the Catholics..