Former UN Official says climate report will shock nations into action
John Gardner writes in with an entry from the “worse than we thought” department:
The IPCC seems to be pre-empting the growing skeptical science by preparing to issue an ‘its even worse than we thought’ report in 2013, according to a report in the Australian newspaper.
“The Brisbane Times’, which quotes Ivo De Boer, the UN climate chief during the 2009 Copenhagen talks. He is quoted “That report is going to scare the wits out of everyone,”
Mr De Boer said in the only scheduled interview of his visit to Australia.
“I’m confident those scientific findings will create new political momentum.”
It’s been standard practice in my area of concern for a long time: if people are having difficulty believing ridiculous claims, simply come out with claims even MORE ridiculous … and then a lot of people, seeking the middle ground, will then accept the ridiculous claims they initially rejected. Eventually the “accepted folk knowledge” takes those initial ridiculous claims as simply being “irrefutable fact” since they’ve been repeated so often and since they obviously make more sense than the new and even crazier claims coming from the extremes.
I think the old saying went, “Ask for the stars and be happy with the moon.” ?
– MJM
report will ‘scare the wits out of everyone’
Andrew
It has been proved conclusively, beyond all doubt, that people will believe just what they choose to believe.
Just because something is “bullsh*t” doesn’t mean there won’t be a ready market for it!
Re:
I’m sure others here are as surprised as I am that there are any wits left to be scared out of the AGW crowd.
We must not fool ourselves. The US eklection result should tech us one lesson. People believe what the main stream media says. Immaterial of all the Obamin debacles, double deficit, 8% unemployment figure writ in stone, Benghazi, cronyism, Solyndra etc…… The lie was turned into a sort of ‘truth by the media. The people were impressed resulting in reelection of the one who is de-wealthing the USA.
I assure you that De Boer’s crying wolf will be beieved by the people, and exploited by the left-wing politicans scaring the wits out of the taxpayers and voters.
The media are funded by trillionaires such as George Soros who has practically singehandedly but succesfully financed the Lie. It is ironic that a person who fled communism, became a US citizen, used the free-enterprise system to become the richest man in the US and used that same money to scuttle the free-enterprise ship.
We need to get the MSM on the side of truth. Otherwise there is no chance of the truth coming out to the citizens of the democratic west, and the world will suffer. It is already suffering. Look at the EU, it is already financially destroyed. Next stop: USA; then the tyrannical countries will only need to bayonet the wounded.
Terror is the last remaining weapon in their arsenal. Reason and Science have fallen from their grasp. It is the costs of Going Green which really scares the wits out of everyone nowadays.
Antarctic sea ice is in excess of the norm and in the current group think is that this is supposed to be a good thing. Not if you live down south it ain’t.
Arctic sea ice is below the norm, which seems rather odd as Arctic air temperatures are around the norm so this has to be down to wind direction, sea water temperature or a combination of both. The Arctic ice deficit is where the North Atlantic ocean meets the Arctic Ocean, I have a feeling this is just a transient event and cooler water is now flowing into the North Atlantic but I am very concerned that pressure groups will try to make capital out of this current shortfall in Arctic sea ice.
To see what I am observing visit Anthony’s excellent sea ice page.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/reference-pages/sea-ice-page/
Once they’ve scared the “wits” out of everyone, it will be easier for them to scare the “crap,” then the “bejesus,” followed by the “living hell” out of everyone. There is a plan here…be afwaid, be vewy, vewy afwaid…
So, Ivo De Boer says the 2013 UN IPCC report is going to “scare the wits” out of us. What a fine guy. A truly magnificent human being. I mean, words to adequately express my admiration for his respect for us lesser beings cannot be found. I mean, c’mon, undoubtedly the Boer guy would have loved to have used the tools of argument, thoughtful persuasion, counter argument, debate, and discussion so as to instill in us a recognition that we must return to an era of want, hunger, short lifespans, and other minor inconveniences so as to save the earth and ourselves with it. But no, the Boer guy has to instead use the base primal emotion of fear on us plebs.
How that must pain him. And it poses a risk. If he’s going to scare the ‘wits out of’ us, he must guess how many wits that may be. The volume of wits may vary from one person to the next. He may scare an adequate number of wits out of one person, but the next person may have wits to spare. And if he extracts enough wits to deplete the highly witted person he may possibly over extract the lesser witted person. And this over extraction may sap energy that will have to be used if and when he encounters the super highly witted person, not to mention the super duper highly witted person. See what I mean? It’s quite an undertaking to scare the wits out of people. May I humbly suggest society devote its energies to writing a global wit change computer program. The least we can do is show mutual respect and help Boer guy out.
The latest issue of Scientific American, which arrived at my sister’s house the other day, has a five or six page article that is an assemblage of all the things that are “worrying climate scientists.” It’s a precursor of what we’ll see in the popular media in the aftermath of AR5.
OTOH, the Australian federal election is in February, and Labor will be replaced by a party whose leader has pledged to repeal the carbon tax, so that should put a spoke in the wheels of the would-be bandwagoneers. By that time, too, the wheels should be coming off the pumpkin in the EU (and its renewable energy fantasy). The skids are greeced.
Mike B. says: “The delusion continues unabated at the IPCC then.” Indeed it does! But that’s their job. They’d be unemployed otherwise. The whole idea is to generate alarm. Period. Who cares about the truth? Since when did that ever matter to the IPCC?
It’s time the IPCC took things to the next level, releasing a 20 year old report over and over again is not going to scare anyone.
Maybe a new chapter on the increased risk of a zombie apocalypse to add to the rest of the fiction.
Wow. Scary eh! Like Exorcist VI ?
Will de Boer twist his head right round through 360 degrees maybe?
oooooooooooohhh!! sacaaaarrryyy!!!
(pity we are actually paying taxes for this amateur rubbish)
The Brisbane Times? Never heard of it until now. Not a mainstream news organisation in Brisbane. Googled it- A Fairfax offshoot trying to break in but up against it apparently. I wouldn’t get my knickers in a knot over it.
Ken
The Global Left is now working overtime to crash economies via fear-mongered regulation and taxation, with the end-goal being global control of formerly sovereign nations. Power-mad Zombies will find their precious prize a smoking ruin.
Re an earlier comment by Rob Crawford:
It has been announced that a new Bruce Willis movie is in production: Lie Hard.
Without revealing too many details, a gang of Warmistas, led by one M. Mann, and his best butt-f’ing friend, Billy the McK, take over an Exxon office tower, demanding that the production of all hydro-carbons, world-wide, be halted immediately. Willis, who is in the role of a New York meterologist…
Its the last role of the dice they have no choice but to double down if their going to survive, for remember no AGW no IPCC.
The good news may be they will be so OTT that it proves to be counter-productive .
I wonder if the Chicago Carbon Exchange will be unshuttered. Al Gore must be champing at the bit. Screw those few hundred million…let’s talk $ billions.
I don’t understand how people would allow the Chicago Mob to control our checkbook, allow Holder to define what is justice and Jackson and to say the IPCC has proven CAGW is a fact and the earth will be destroyed because of that poison CO2.
Boggles the mind.
My wife said she would never vote for anybody who thought they had a right to control her body.
Boggles the mind.
cn
I am impressed with the knowledge of contributors to this post. So many errors pointed out and yet not one of youhaveseen the report. I think you could at least wait until you have read it before making judgements. Your are undermining the credibility of your arguments by going off prematurely.
Gondo says:
November 7, 2012 at 11:12 am
“The Arctic changes are scary. Greenland has lost 3000km3 of ice since 1995 (the ice-sheet was in balance before that) and the continuing …”
My dear Gondo, don’t be afraid. At the end of the last ice age, 50 million km^3 of ice melted when we numbered a million or so hardy folks and CO2 was about 250 ppm at the time. So lets see, 3000 puny km^3 is 3000/50,000,000, we have lost 0.006% of the big number in 20 years. The reason why people can get scared is they don’t do the simple calculations within the capability of everyone to put things in perspective – its a big big world out there. The alarmists know this will scare you. Oh yeah and sea level rise from the big melt? 120 metres – now that was big, not like puny 1.5mm a year. Oh, and you know the inhabitants of any of the Pacific islands if there were any? They didn’t notice the sea level rise because coral grows to keep up with sea level and the lagoon floor rises with the deposition of weathered coral washed in. Also, deltas like the Ganges similarly rise as the sea rises: the sea tries to move up the delta but the river, burdened with silt and sand hits the still water and drops its burden, building up the delta. If the sea goes down, waves cut the delta down to its level again. These people are going to have wet feet no matter which way the sea level goes. I hope this small tutorial will help you put IPCC scares into perspective. The rest of the climate topics you are interested in also have sober explanations if you want to look for them.
LetsBeReasonable says:
November 7, 2012 at 3:20 pm
“Your are undermining the credibility of your arguments by going off prematurely.”
This could be a legit point if the IPCC had any credibility… since the IPCC has zero credibility its not overly important that one not prematurely declare they will fail again.
Roger Knights says:
November 7, 2012 at 2:06 pm
The latest issue of Scientific American, which arrived at my sister’s house the other day, has a five or six page article that is an assemblage of all the things that are “worrying climate scientists.” It’s a precursor of what we’ll see in the popular media in the aftermath of AR5.
OTOH, the Australian federal election is in February, and Labor will be replaced by a party whose leader has pledged to repeal the carbon tax, so that should put a spoke in the wheels of the would-be bandwagoneers. By that time, too, the wheels should be coming off the pumpkin in the EU (and its renewable energy fantasy). The skids are greeced.
You may have forgotten that the Australian Opposition Leader has a Climate Action Plan which has exactly the same 2020 target in CO2 emission reductions as the current Australian Government. This will be funded from general revenue (that is from all taxes rather than from a specific tax).
If I recall it correctly, the Opposition has costed their CAP at around $20 billion – all to be raised from taxes because the CAP lacks completely a user-pays source.
You may also have forgotten that the Australian Government’s carbon tax is an introductory phase in the establishment of a carbon market pricing mechanism.
Unfortunately, the Australian Opposition Leader, despite leading the pro-market parties, intends to replace the market mechanism with top-down government decision making by of grants and direct purchases. This will, no doubt, be less efficient than the market.
It is a topsy turvy world in Australia when a centre-left Government favours the use of a market mechanism while the pro-market, small-government, conservative Opposition favours bigger government, more taxes, eschews the market, and intends to manage big spending programs directly.
BTW, the election may be in February but there is no reason for the Government to go early: inflation is within the target range (5%<6%, the Government's tax take as a proportion of GDP is the lowest it has been for decades <23%, the economy is growing at the fastest or equal fastest rate in the OECD and Government debt as a percentage of GDP is around the lowest in the OECD; interest rates are the lower than what this Government inherited from the previous Government: a set of figures most OECD governments would die for.
Contrary to the cries of the economic alarmists Australia's carbon tax does not appear to have destroyed these good figures.
August 2013 or September 2013 are more likely dates for the next Federal election in Australia.
What “scientific findings”? Perhaps “It’s even hotter than we measured!”
I notice de Bore talked of the Sandy SUPERSTORM , because he couldn’t talk of a hurricane.
WE’RE DOOMED!
(Could someone out there please make a You Tube compilation of every time John Laurie said it? The best I could find was this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7RIgs3eygo )
I know people who voted for Pres Obama because he “takes global warming seriously”. And, given that the media parrot whatever he and his allies utter, well, who knows what insane policies the PC governments of the world will pursue.