No word on whether Supermandia will appear in costume
I was surprised to learn of this new program from the NNB scheduled for Wed 31 Oct 2012 21:00 on BBC Radio 4.
Nice touch on the gloved hand there folks. Here’s the overview from the BBC website:
Climategate was the term quickly applied in 2009 to the mysterious appearance on the internet of large numbers of emails and documents belonging to some of the world’s leading climate scientists.
This happened just a month before the Copenhagen climate change conference, which failed to meet the expectations of many for agreement on international action. The timing may not be coincidental.
For some climate change sceptics, the emails were a disturbing revelation of the real thoughts and manoeuvrings of scientists at the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Centre and their international colleagues. The scientists argue that while some of the phrasing may have been unfortunate, there is nothing in the documents to undermine the validity of mainstream climate science.
Climategate certainly inflamed the debate over climate change, in the UK, the US and elsewhere.
In 2012 the Norfolk Police announced they were abandoning their investigation into who hacked into the university’s computer and then distributed what they found.
But what have been the longer-term consequences of this incident, for public opinion, media reporting and international policy-making on climate change? Chris Vallance investigates, asking if this was it a political crime, and, if so, how effective has it been?
Producers: Martin Rosenbaum & Catherine Donegan.
I’m told that Roger Tattersall (aka Tallbloke) was interviewed for this. I was not, which is probably their loss since the issue started with WUWT and I have some unique insight. OTOH it is probably just as well, as I have about as much respect for the BBC as I do PBS, being cast from the same government media mold.
h/t to WUWT reader Bill Eykyn
The truth will not emerge. It’s the BBC we are talking about here.
This is not a surprise for Bishop Hill readers.
Andrew M mentioned this on his blog in his understated manner a few weeks ago.
http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2012/10/3/my-day.html
“A busy, but satisfying day yesterday. I did a long, in-depth interview with BBC radio for a forthcoming programme about the impact of Climategate on the global warming debate. This is to be broadcast on 31st of the month. The interviewer was Chris Vallance, who I haven’t come across before, but the show was being produced by FOI correspondent Martin Rosenbaum. I think having the show run by someone from outside the ranks of the green correspondents should give this programme a rather different feel to the norm.”
richardscourtney says:
As you say concerning the now existing BBC Pension Fund investments
BBC’s capitalistic investments in Big Oil and tobacco and very little green
This shows a rapid retreat from ‘green’ investments by the BBC Pension Fund.
It’s just sound commercial sense as Renewable Investment plummet ahead of the end of the Kyoto commitment.
Just a few facts:
Wind turbine manufacturing shares are heading to zero with Vestas falling by 90%
Siemens is selling up solar
A Chinese Solar exhibition has been cancelled
The Indians are now blaming the EU for the end of Kyoto
The EU is blaming the Polish (who scuppered any common approach)
The Polish ought to point to the fact that the PIGS (Portugal, Ireland, Spain, etc.) have suddenly found that they have a huge cost to pay under their Kyoto commitments – which they cannot afford.
The treaty is already legally dead (it cannot be amended to keep the commitment going)
And just to give you an indication of how completely unaware the UK public are and how big this could blow up, I searched in the Scotsman newspaper and there was only one article in the last year that even mentioned Kyoto.
Given the media’s willingness to blatantly run cover for the ‘scientists’, I’ve always thought that a much better name for the whole thing should have been climediagate which I would simply define this way…. The result of a coupling of intimate diseased partners and the exposure of their actions (hmmmm…. Sounds like ‘chlamydia’ too).
One other aspect…. By calling it a ‘hacking’, what does the BBC know that no one else seems to know including the police that investigated? I’ve always thought the surreptitious release was an inside job from somebody who got fed up with what she/he saw going on and I don’t think that qualitifes as a ‘hacking’.
Of Course, no review of Climategate would be complete without this:
Climategate Hide The Decline Song
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/29/boaden_tribunal_information_refusal/
Timely reminder of the BBC’s unprecedented decision to abandon impartiality.
What are they trying to hide?
I was impressed by all three who seemed to have an open mind. It will be interesting to hear the final programme.
PAUL, These people are good at hiding their intentions. They suck you in with inuendo and lies and spit you out on the pavement when you cannot retaliate.
BEWARE OF THE BBC. They are AGW confirmed and pedophiles under investigation. !!!
Paul Matthews says:
October 29, 2012 at 3:30 am
This is not a surprise for Bishop Hill readers.
Andrew M mentioned this on his blog in his understated manner a few weeks ago.
The Bish keeps getting sucked in by these people. The MetOff did it and now the BBC. We will see how it pans out. I hope that the Bish is not too dissappointed. Incidently, in french we don’t really have a word for ‘disappointed’ we use ‘decieved’.
(BBC Director-General George) Entwistle told MPs he was bringing in Dinah Rose QC – who represented News International in phone hacking cases – to look at how the BBC handles sexual harassment cases.
Dyno Rod would probably do a better job. :))
thomaswfuller2 says:
October 28, 2012 at 10:28 am
Vallance talked to me off the record for background as well. Mostly about my co-author, Steve Mosher.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS OFF THE RECORD IN BROADCASTING CIRCLES. these people are animals without scruples and without shame. How many politicians have been caught by the ‘off the record’ même. Hundreds.
The BBC has had a long relationship with MI5. The Security Service used to vet the BBC’s staff and provided background briefs to the BBC on allegedly radical and subversive political groups. The vetting and influence of MI5 was supposedly scaled back in 1985.
The 18th session of the Conference of the Parties to the UNFCCC and the 8th session of the Conference of the Parties is due to take place from 26 November to 7 December 2012 at the Qatar National Convention Centre in Doha, Qatar. There is no doubt concern that another tranche of emails exposing yet more misbehavior amongst ‘the team’ will be made public just prior to the conference opening. So, never trust the motives of the BBC.
Who were the SECRET 28 who ended all climate debate at the BBC?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/29/boaden_tribunal_information_refusal/
there is nothing in the documents to undermine the validity of mainstream climate science.
I’m sorry, but didn’t anyone else notice this? Doesn’t all the work done here, at CA and elsewhere on the e-mails pretty much highlight this as not an error, not “spin”, not “whitewashing”, but as an *abject lie*?
Mind you, I trust a reporter about as far as I can comfortably spit out a live tarantula, but still.
I’d be astonished if the BBC actually did an unbiased report on this. I don’t think they actually understand Science any more. Neither does Robert Winston according to the Daily Mail. Maybe they dumbed down their reporters at the same time as they dumbed down their programs.
Thanks! I had forgotten how good that was.
We’ll know the BBC has changed its stripes when it airs that ditty on its program.
BTW, why do you suppose Michael Mann never sued Minnesotans 4 Global Warming? It’s easily as damning as anything Mark Steyn wrote.
Oh! I know! Not deep enough pockets!
/Mr Lynn
Explaining the basic principle is relatively simple: spread your left thumb and forefinger apart in a horizontal plane, about 90 to 120 degrees apart–this represents the window for radiant heat leaving the Earth’s atmosphere, when viewed from above. Then with your right hand held vertically, push your right index finger against the junction of your left thumb and forefinger. Looking down, that represents the contribution of CO2 to reducing the window for heat flow–in other words, the CO2 greenhouse effect. Then, with your right hand held vertically, uncurl your other three fingers and note that the blocked area is relatively unchanged because you are viewing those four fingers edge on. That represents the basic effect of adding more CO2 to the atmosphere–as regards the greenhouse effect.
Each finger represents the 15 micron, CO2 absorption band. This edge-on view is why the effect of added CO2 is logarithmic rather than cumulative or exponential.
What’s this about hacking?
The climategate emails were leaked in the public interest by an insider with a conscience at UEA.
The first report on the BBC website about Climategate was so biased that I called for the author to be sacked. I don’t expect this program to contain objective reporting but one can always hope.
“For some climate change sceptics, the emails were a disturbing revelation of the real thoughts and manoeuvrings of scientists at the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Centre and their international colleagues. The scientists argue that while some of the phrasing may have been unfortunate, there is nothing in the documents to undermine the validity of mainstream climate science.”
Paint me skeptic. If there was nothing there but normal emails, then why did it achieve the worldwide consequences that they are studying? Everybody was shocked reading normal emails and some sceptics who misunderstood and misinterpreted some phrases?
Ignoring what’s in the emails does not make it any better, the starting point is wrong, I fear the result should fit in the class “wrong but accurate”. It is long since I watched BBC, will read tomorrow on WUWT the feedback…
Starting in 15 minutes.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/bbc_radio_four
Friends:
I have just heard the radio show.
Amazing! By BBC standards it was balanced and fair.
It gave views of representatives of both ‘sides’ and views of journalists on the effects of both climategate releases. It suggested that Climategate 3 may be imminent.
A representative of the Norfolk police gave an account of their investigation.
Steve McIntyre gave an impressive performance as an example of reason.
I commend everyone to listen to it on BBC Radio Player. Yes, I know it is from the BBC but it is not the usual BBC extreme pro-AGW propaganda.
Richard
As expected, typical bloody BBC bias – scientists versus sceptics. yes, the scientists are the ones whose emails were hacked but never a suggestion that there are many and well qualified scientists on the side of scepticism. Even Mann was paraded as one who had been traduced. I could go on … bastards.
In case you missed it
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/b01nl8gm?rpSt=climategate+revisited&rpSrp=2.0
stephen richards says:
October 29, 2012 at 10:47 am
“THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS OFF THE RECORD IN BROADCASTING CIRCLES. these people are animals without scruples and without shame. How many politicians have been caught by the ‘off the record’ même. Hundreds.”
Now there’s an idea. Isn’t it the BBC that has / had a program called ‘On the Record’ ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/otr/
What Stephen’s observation suggests, sound much more interesting…