BBC to feature Climategate for Halloween

No word on whether Supermandia will appear in costume

I was surprised to learn of this new program from the NNB scheduled for Wed 31 Oct 2012 21:00 on  BBC Radio 4.

Nice touch on the gloved hand there folks. Here’s the overview from the BBC website:

Climategate was the term quickly applied in 2009 to the mysterious appearance on the internet of large numbers of emails and documents belonging to some of the world’s leading climate scientists.

This happened just a month before the Copenhagen climate change conference, which failed to meet the expectations of many for agreement on international action. The timing may not be coincidental.

For some climate change sceptics, the emails were a disturbing revelation of the real thoughts and manoeuvrings of scientists at the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Centre and their international colleagues. The scientists argue that while some of the phrasing may have been unfortunate, there is nothing in the documents to undermine the validity of mainstream climate science.

Climategate certainly inflamed the debate over climate change, in the UK, the US and elsewhere.

In 2012 the Norfolk Police announced they were abandoning their investigation into who hacked into the university’s computer and then distributed what they found.

But what have been the longer-term consequences of this incident, for public opinion, media reporting and international policy-making on climate change? Chris Vallance investigates, asking if this was it a political crime, and, if so, how effective has it been?

Producers: Martin Rosenbaum & Catherine Donegan.

I’m told that Roger Tattersall (aka Tallbloke) was interviewed for this. I was not, which is probably their loss since the issue started with WUWT and I have some unique insight. OTOH it is probably just as well, as I have about as much respect for the BBC as I do PBS, being cast from the same government media mold.

h/t to WUWT reader Bill Eykyn

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Morph

I just think it is excellent publicity for Bishop Hill’s new book on the incident.

Kaboom

Tuesday would be a good opportunity for unknown folks to release that password then.

The presenter of this programme, Chris Vallance, rang me up a couple of weeks ago for an ‘off the record chat’ about the police investigation. I got the impression they want to talk about us rather than to us on this one, but anyway, we’ll see.
http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2012/10/20/seminars-and-interview-a-busy-week-behind-the-scenes/

Odds are that the report will conclude that the only wrong-doers were those who trafficed in stolen documents. Hence the gloved hand above.
Telling the story of the crimes detailed WITHIN the documents cannot be told in an hour.

” .. being cast from the same government media mold.”
The BBC probably considers itself to be well above mere government. Last year the BBC committed itself to even more bias against criticism of AGW. See my blog of 21-Jul-2011, “BBC Science Report Slips Under the Radar”, http://millenniumirritant.webplus.net/page15.html
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katabasis1

A “political crime”?!

Well at least you can be sure it will be as biased as possible. Their reputation as avid AGW enthusiasts is well known. For those who are unfamiliar with BBC’s fall from neutrality’s grace during the last decade here is a guy who keeps track: http://biased-bbc.com/

David Ball

“Revisited”? I don’t recall them visiting the first time.

Having spent last Christmas celebrating what they knew a serial rapist and probably a paedophile, the BBC has the moral authority of a collection of hypocrites. I’d disband it at once, uniquely corrupted by its own unique power.

Richard111

I second your opinion on the BBC Anthony.

Telboy

“Chris Vallance investigates, asking if this was it a political crime, and, if so, how effective has it been?”
Note the emphasis – the BBC assumes it was a crime; the only question is what kind of crime.
As you say Anthony, government media. And I guarantee Tallbloke’s input will be hacked about in the editing and minimised.

richard

Wow the BBC covering climategate, they must be trying to shore up the defenses of that rickety house called AGW.
I think they will be shooting themselves in the foot on this one. More publicity for Climategate.

Vallance talked to me off the record for background as well. Mostly about my co-author, Steve Mosher.

JFB

which side was gloved hand?

Is it time for another whitewash already?

Mycroft

Who said they were actually hacked?any proof or evidence that points to that?
Instead of trying to address a supposedly commited crime?why didn’t the BBC investigate the contents of the emails and whether sceptics are right.Is that not what a publicly funded broadcaster should be doing.

Thomas, did they try to contact Mosh direct?

simonb

Excellent.
The BBC putting out yet another pro AGW piece of rubbish will convince people to look at the sceptic side. Trust in the BBC is now at an all time low thankk goodness.

WTF

Anthony, add the CBC (Canada) and ABC (Austrailia) to your list.

kwik

Kaboom says:
October 28, 2012 at 9:55 am
“Tuesday would be a good opportunity for unknown folks to release that password then.”
Yes, can you imagine how incredibly irritating it would be if Climategate 3.0 occurs just when the program runs! And good timing for the US election, and Doha.

The BBC: some might describe them as the Jimmy Savile of public broadcasting… Oh, wait a minute…

Same chap rang me up tallbloke.
basically to talk about the hacker.
The anniversary approaches.
If there is no release, you can rest assured that a deal was done.

ID deKlein

Previous programmes in the Wednesday 9pm time slot:
24/10/12 The Ice Mountain
Haunted by the sinking of RMS Titanic, this is the story of an iceberg journeying south. (R)
17/10/12 Hallucination: Through the Doors of Perception
Geoff Watts explores the cultural and scientific story of hallucination
10/10/12 Costing the Earth Tsunami Debris
1.5 million tonnes of debris from the Japanese tsunami is heading towards North America
3/10/12 Costing the Earth Wave Goodbye?
Will the promise of energy from the oceans become reality? Tom Heap reports
26/9/12 Costing the Earth Apocalypse Then and Now
The environment of Laos remains scarred by American bombing. Tom Heap joins the clean-up.
19/9/12 Costing the Earth Cruel Harvest
Should our farmland be used to grow fuel for our cars? Tom Heap reports.
12/9/12 Costing the Earth Chinese Salmon
Conor Woodman asks how farmed Scottish salmon production can increase by 50% sustainably
etc.

ID deKlein

Perhaps the BBC made room in its schedule by cancelling the Gary Glitter Christmas tribute special.

Chris Vallance investigates, asking if this was it a political crime, and, if so, how effective has it been?
+++++
Absolutely, taxpayers have be bilked out of hundreds of billions of dollars. Manufacturing companies were paid to move to India and China in the name of saving the planet, helping bring the economies of the west to the brink of financial ruin. Bi-fuels have driven food prices sky high, destabilizing much of the rest of the world, setting the stage for wider conflict. The very policies that were supposed to reduce CO2, have increased it, while destabilizing the world both economically and politically.
For those that believe that humans are bad and nature is good, the path to salvation is at hand. Like a gambler on a losing streak, double up the bets. Keep the same policies in place. Lady luck is sure to turn. What could possibly go wrong?

Mike Wryley

Anthony,
I should think that you have much LESS respect for the BBC, just google “BBC sex scandal”,
the coverup apparently lasting decades by more than a few folks,

Jimbo

I’m told that Roger Tattersall (aka Tallbloke) was interviewed for this. I was not, which is probably their loss since the issue started with WUWT and I have some unique insight. OTOH it is probably just as well,…………….

The BBC should note that the word “ClimateGate” was coined by the commenter Bulldust on the pages of WUWT. Anthony, the fact that they don’t want to interview you shows that you are right over the target. A few mild utterances of fact and some opinion from you can trigger hysterical reactions from Warmists. Just remember PBS.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/19/breaking-news-story-hadley-cru-has-apparently-been-hacked-hundreds-of-files-released/#comment-227351
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/28/telegraphs-booker-on-the-climategate-scandal/

Jimbo

For some climate change sceptics, the emails were a disturbing revelation of the real thoughts and manoeuvrings of scientists at the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Centre…..

And for many climate change Catastrophic Anthropogenic Runaway Global Warming sceptics, the emails were not a surprising revelation of the real thoughts and manoeuvrings of scientists.
See the many comments indicating no surprise.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/19/breaking-news-story-hadley-cru-has-apparently-been-hacked-hundreds-of-files-released/#comment-227351

DirkH

It took them 3 years to make this? Will they explain why they ignored it when it happened? Did they have to wait for Richard Black to get a cosy job in an NY-Mental group until they could do it?

Jimbo

Oh, for those US folks who may have missed it the BBC is currently locked into a paedophile, child rape, molestation, necrophilic scandal right now. There are hundreds of pages on this emerging scandal.
Google:
“Newsnight Jimmy Saville”
“Jimmy Saville and Garry Glitter”

Why does a publicly funded organization like the BBC dislike people who are skeptical about man made global warming?

Martin A

Better, google “newsnight jimmy savile” (correct spelling)
It’s an amazing story – a star, essentially created by the BBC was molesting under age girls on BBC premises for decades – and apparently with the knowledge of many BBC managers.
After his death, a BBC Newsnight program to expose it was suppressed and, instead accolades were broadcast over the christmas period.

The assumption being that it was a crime. Those unfamiliar with Pointman’s thesis that the leak was an inside job could do with reading his post on the subject.
So, was climategate a hack after all?

Bloke down the pub

Steven Mosher says:
October 28, 2012 at 10:54 am
Same chap rang me up tallbloke.
basically to talk about the hacker.
The anniversary approaches.
If there is no release, you can rest assured that a deal was done.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#
Yes, perhaps the hacker was allowed to release a new paper showing there was an mwp after all.

Physics Major

The term “political crime” is telling. It sounds like it belongs in Stalinist Russia.

Steven Mosher says:
October 28, 2012 at 10:54 am
Same chap rang me up tallbloke.
basically to talk about the hacker.
The anniversary approaches.
If there is no release, you can rest assured that a deal was done.

I don’t think we can make any such assumptions, since we have nothing to go on.

mikemUK

In fairness to our beloved BBC, that licence payer-funded, towering edifice of moral rectitude and political correctness, it must be difficult to remain strictly impartial over AGW when you have your own horse in the race – like a gigantic slice of your employees’ pension funds gambled on “carbon trading” by some, as yet unnamed, lunatic(s) at top management level.

DirkH

Sparks says:
October 28, 2012 at 12:15 pm
“Why does a publicly funded organization like the BBC dislike people who are skeptical about man made global warming?”
Because they invested all their pension funds in renewable energy and carbon trading.

John A

If the BBC were to call me up, I’d put the phone down. I’d do the same with Fox News, and for the same reasons.

What’s been the longer term consequence? Wind manufacturing shares have been tumbling since 2009 with e.g. Vestas having lost 90% of its value and if the trend continues it will be zero when the Kyoto Commitment comes to an end.
So, the effect has been to prevent the replacement of Kyoto, destroy the wind & solar industry, and it now looks like it will make much of the BBC and UK government look like a bunch of incompetent fools.
The BBC in particular are still preoccupied by outdated single scenario climate models when even climate modellers do not deny they aren’t fit for purpose.
For shares see: http://scef.org.uk/images/stories/news12/kyoto%20ends.png (the lower axis is zero value to shares)

RE: Jimbo 11:45 am

Anthony, the fact that they don’t want to interview you shows that you are right over the target.

OVER the target? Or IS the target?
The phrase “not catching flak if your not over the target” seems inappropriate here.
I think a phrase that better to fits is, “It’s quiet. Too quiet”

The wonderful irony is that it doesn’t matter if the documentary comes down firmly on the side of the Warmists. The very fact that Climategate is being ‘revisited’ is in itself a good thing because it demonstrates that: the whitewashes did not succeed, interest in the subject is increasing (no one does a radio program about a subject no-one is interested in), and the ‘s’cience is not settled.
An ever wider audience will hear of the discredited Hockey Stick, Mike’s Nature trick, and the hiding of the decline….and no matter what the Warmists say to justify and defend their position ordinary people will inevitably ask themselves why would a ‘S’cientist have to use a ‘trick’ or ‘hide’ anything….a conjuror perhaps but a Scientist?

This going to be the climate equivalent of the Xmas Eulogy by the BBC to Jimmy Saville. I’m gonig to make sure I record it because, it’s going to be a laugh watching it in two months time as Kyoto ends.

clipe

Jimbo says:
October 28, 2012 at 11:45 am
I’m told that Roger Tattersall (aka Tallbloke) was interviewed for this. I was not, which is probably their loss since the issue started with WUWT and I have some unique insight. OTOH it is probably just as well,…………….
The BBC should note that the word “ClimateGate” was coined by the commenter Bulldust on the pages of WUWT. Anthony, the fact that they don’t want to interview you shows that you are right over the target. A few mild utterances of fact and some opinion from you can trigger hysterical reactions from Warmists. Just remember PBS.

I always thought it was Delingpole who coined “ClimateGate”. But as Dellers himself says, it was Bulldust.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100018246/climategate-how-the-greatest-scientific-scandal-of-our-generation-got-its-name/

stephen richards

tallbloke says:
October 28, 2012 at 9:56 am
“The presenter of this programme, Chris Vallance, rang me up a couple of weeks ago for an ‘off the record chat’ about the police investigation. I got the impression they want to talk about us rather than to us on this one,”
Spot on Roger. This will be an attempt to deflect licence payers from their current minor problem of being a supporter of a piedophile ring. I had to laugh when they announced they were not going to hold their own enquiry and would leave it to the police and then suddenly realised it was going to be enormous and so would hold two enquiries of their own. I was waiting for them to announce Lord whitewash of East Anglia and their Science correspondent at the RS, Jones.
They are just pathetic but they believe they have untold power and the ears of parliament.

John A says:
October 28, 2012 at 12:50 pm
If the BBC were to call me up, I’d put the phone down. I’d do the same with Fox News, and for the same reasons.

Why? Disabusing people of their prejudice and preconception involves talking to them. Gently does it.

john robertson

Climategate for Halloween, fits BBC if halloween is about the fears that haunt you. The truth and an honest appraisal of the known facts would be a horror at BBC. Does R.I.C.O apply to British quasi journalists?

DirkH says:
October 28, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Sparks says:
October 28, 2012 at 12:15 pm
“Why does a publicly funded organization like the BBC dislike people who are skeptical about man made global warming?”
Because they invested all their pension funds in renewable energy and carbon trading.

I don’t know to what extent this is an urban myth, but ‘all’ is definitely over-egging it.
http://www.ipe.com/news/bbc-pension-fund-transfers-investment-management-from-cbre-to-orchard_46051.php#.UI2RbMU4nKM

Just as long as they don’t use a past interview with Jimmy Savile.
The real crime was the way the BBC covered [up] the whole story in first place. No I don’t mean Savile, though they did that too of course.

James Fosser

At the moment the BBC is involved in the biggest scandal of its career over the Jimmy Saville affiar (s).It desperately needs some credibilty.