According to NOAA data, all time Antarctic sea ice extent record was set on Sept 22nd, 2012

Cryosphere Today – Arctic Climate Research at the University of Illinois – Click the pic to view at source

At the blog “sunshine hours” it seems the Antarctic has set a new record. He writes:

As you may know, I have been using Cryosphere’s Antarctic Sea Ice Area data to show the record levels of Antarctic Sea Ice.

But I just found another data set, NOAA’s Sea Ice Extent here. (thanks to commenter HaroldW at the Blackboard)

And it turns out day 265 set an all time record, and then day 266 (Sept 22nd) broke that record. Days 265 through 270 are now the 6 highest Antarctic Sea Ice Extent’s of all time (in the satellite record)!

11 of the top 15 extents are now in 2012.

Anyone wonder why NOAA isn’t making a fuss about this?

Year Day of Year Ice Extent
2012 266 19.45418
2012 268 19.4478
2012 267 19.44631
2012 270 19.4433
2012 269 19.41601
2012 265 19.36135
2006 264 19.35934
2012 257 19.35567
2012 271 19.35207
2006 267 19.34999
2012 264 19.34204
2012 259 19.33522
2006 265 19.3289
2006 268 19.32669
2012 258 19.31503
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Dave

Global warming is responsible. Warmer temperatures put more water vapor in the air which then falls to the Earth as snowfall.
Let me know if anyone is foolish enough to fall for that line. I have some beach-front property in the Gobi Desert that I will sell for a very reasonable price.

just state the tons of ice in the Antarctic versus the tons of ice in the Arctic…..simples

Why not the fuss? No government funding involved with record high ice?

Philip Mulholland

Lots more information from the same source here:-
http://nsidc.org/data/docs/noaa/g02135_seaice_index/index.html
Check the Antarctic tab for Monthly Sea Ice Extent Anomaly Graph here:-
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/

otsar

They are waiting for the Austral summer. Then they will talk their heads off about the big melt.

Seems a rather odd coincidence that while Arctic ice is at a “record” low Antarctic ice is at a “record” high.

Matt

“Anyone wonder why NOAA isn’t making a fuss about this?”
No, we aren’t wondering. We know why, because it’s counter to the story they want to tell.

If indeed there’s a true long term trend here rather than simple random variations or shorter term cyclic events like solar wind fluctuations and such, then what meaning might be attached to the reduction in Arctic ice and the increase in Antarctic ice? Is our angle of precession (or somesuch) changing in some way so that the northern hemisphere is getting more sunlight and the southern hemisphere less?
😕
MJM

wayne

… and at this rate all of the southern hemisphere’s oceans will be solid sea ice by …
That’s as the climatists speak, just had to beat them to it this time! ☺

Gunga Din

Quick! Someone tweet Michael Mann!

NOAA already has a range of ice-front properties on the market on the West Antarctic peninsula, as they are convinced that according to CAGW theory, Antarctica will soon be ‘the only habitable continent’. They know that by the end of the century the earth will have warmed at least 5 degrees and with only another 50 degrees, they will be in business in a big way!

Hot summers, hurricanes, excessive rainfall, snowfall, winds; it is global warming. Even Antarctica has more ice than ever, caused by man made CO2 in the atmosphere! We need to return to medieval living with no electricity, no phones, no AC, no transportation unless it has 4 legs, travels at less than 5mph and needs to have a dump every 200 yards. Rickets, pestilence and the Black Death need to be reintroduced into society ASAP to complete our miserable existence. This is the way to save our planet and to make humanity pay for our ongoing prosperity (despite Socialism and Communism’s efforts to the contrary!).

Tom in Florida (where we really don't give a damn about ice except in our drinks)

Let’s stay consistent. If we ridicule those for using the phrase “all time record” when it pertains to low levels of arctic ice, it should not be used going the other way either, even with the stated explanation of “in the satellite record”.

If this years Antarctic sea Ice extent is the record and when (not if but when) the Antarctic sea Ice extent gets lower, will this be seen as the beginning of another man made global warming trend?
If faced with two choices;
1. An interglacial period of warming.
2. An Ice age.
Which would you prefer?

Mike Smith

Sparks says:
If faced with two choices;
1. An interglacial period of warming.
2. An Ice age.
It doesn’t matter. The climate change fanatics will be screaming about the imminent collapse of the sky either way.
They have already proven they have no shame and they won’t hesitate to terrorize the sheeple with threats of a coming ice age if it suits the team agenda. They may very well have the gonads to blame it all on CO2 as well (if it suits their agenda, which I think is rather likely).
The data simply don’t matter. The game and the gravy train must go on.

OssQss

Yin and Yang eh? Go figure……
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang

RACookPE1978

michaeljmcfadden says:
September 29, 2012 at 4:53 pm
If indeed there’s a true long term trend here rather than simple random variations or shorter term cyclic events like solar wind fluctuations and such, then what meaning might be attached to the reduction in Arctic ice and the increase in Antarctic ice? Is our angle of precession (or some such) changing in some way so that the northern hemisphere is getting more sunlight and the southern hemisphere less?

No, things are not clear.
The Arctic “swings” (high sea ice extents getting larger since 2000, though still not up to the previous (1970’s average, minimum sea ice extents getting smaller in the same period); the more frequent “highs” in Antarctic sea ice extent maximums (Antarctic sea extents have regularly been over 15.5 million km^2 the past few years) and the persistence “steadiness” of DMI’s 80 north air temperatures are puzzling. At the same time that measured Arctic OCEAN waters are steady – if not declining slightly at 80 north, mid-Canada and Mid-Siberian LAND (air) temperatures are increasing – most likely due to increased CO2 causing greater plant growth, and that plant growth is “greener” , earlier, and more widespread -> all of which will decrease albedo and increase sunlight absorption. None of which are changed in the CAGW GCM model assumptions, of course.
I will not assume any cause for the above right now, but want to open it up for discussion.
Now, as to effect of those changes ….
A) In the Antarctic, at the time of maximum sea ice extents, the “edge” of the sea ice very closely approximates a “crown” around the continent between latitudes 60 south and 62 south. At those latitudes, ANY increase in Antarctic Sea Ice extents will significantly increase energy reflections from the ice, and reduce the absorption of energy from the sun into the newly covered ocean waters. The result – of ANTARCTIC sea ice maximums expanding – is increased heat loss from the earth into space, and decreased global temperatures.
B) In the Arctic, on the other hand, all of the sea ice is now concentrated in a single “Beanie” cap around the north pole. This cap can be very closely approximated as a cap extending from the pole down to latitude 80 degrees (for 4 million km^2 sea ice) or to 81 degrees for today’s 3.4 million km^2 sea ice extents.
However, at those very high latitudes, during the time of minimum sea ice extents at the equinox, more energy is lost from the exposed ocean surface by radiation into space and evaporation (both of which will begin as soon as the sea ice “insulation” is melted out) than is gained by the ocean surface absorbing sunlight. NOTE: This effect -reverse of the conventional CAGW alarmism about sea ice albedo! – is ONLY true for the far north latitudes. But, then again, those are the only latitudes where sea ice exists at the present minimum, so it is pointless and distracting and wrong to worry about any other latitudes …. FOR ARCTIC SEA ICE.

Rod Gill

What the alarmists are not saying of course is:
Extra ice in Antarctic is much closer to the equator than the open water in the arctic so there is a net gain in reflected sunlight. So as of today, the amount of sea ice on the planet Earth is causing net cooling. There is no tipping point in the Arctic causing warming.

Justthinkin

OK. I am totally confuzzed.Ice melts when it’s warm.And freezes when it’s cold?So my drink is?Sheesh.

Christian_J.

This event clearly demonstrates that the “Global” warming theory is a total farce. It would be more honest to state “Regional” weather variations. But that would not be hysterical enough. The “warmist” scientists have already confessed and admitted they overstate and inflate every possible fluctuation and “modelled” variations regarding the weather, in order to promote their very own “good cause”. For the benefit of the people only, of course.
Disclaimer: No government subsidy or taxpayers funding was forthcoming for this opinion. Comment was given free of charge, without coercion or consideration of public position or personal benefit or future funding applications.

AndyG55

@Tom in Florida (where we really don’t give a damn about ice except in our drinks).
What?…. ice in your wine or beer………. cringe !
I have seen it done.. blasphemy !
“The all time high” and “satellite record ” comments are purely a dig at the warmists..
We ARE being consistent.. with THEIR standard, ……….. 😉

Phil.

Anyone wonder why NOAA isn’t making a fuss about this?
Probably because they know that is weather noise on a barely significant trend which their own data tells them is far below the extent observed in the late 70s?
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/tar/wg1/fig2-16.htm

Our little 2 year old girl just outsmarted us.
We have banned play dough indoors, because it gets embedded in everything – cloth sofas, carpets, you name it.
So today we discovered she was smuggling small pieces of play dough into the house, hidden inside some of her dolls house toys.
I see this as proof of the imminent danger of catastrophic global warming.

Curious

I am new here and very appreciative of the knowledge and open mindedness that is continuously displayed in the articles and comments posted. I do not have a science background so my learning curve is rather steep right now. In any event, I am trying to educate myself so I thank you in advance for putting up with my ignorance.
I posted the last WUWT article on the Antarctic sea ice record to facebook and was surprised by the rather rancorous response of one of my “friends.” Apparently, he is an ardent AGW proponent as he posted the following : “What a terribly bull$hit article this is! First, it does not even mention the reason why Antarctic ice is increasing, it just leaves the reader to assume, erroneously of course, that it is because “global warming is a hoax”. Second, it make the erroneous correlation between decline of Arctic sea ice and the angle of the Arctic sun in September, ignoring the fact (yes, fact) that Arctic sea ice continues to decline, and is continuing to decline, in September. And third, it conveniently conflates “sea ice” and “ice” in its attempt to refute the NSIDC’s assertion that ” Arctic sea ice is more significant to understanding global climate because much more Arctic ice remains through the summer months.” The reason, of course, is because there is far more Arctic sea ice that Antarctic sea ice, simply because the Arctic is a sea, and the Antarctic isn’t.”
When I asked him why he didn’t think it was unusual this wasn’t being reported he said the following:
“The reason it’s not being reported is because it is not scientifically significant. Again, the article misleads its readers by failing to report the reason why ice levels are increasing on the Antarctic continent, and deliberately confusing land-based ice and sea ice, which are formed through completely different processes. It isn’t reasonable to draw any conclusions about global warming from the increase of land-based ice in Antarctica. It IS reasonable to include Antarctic temperature anomalies in any study of global warming. It happens that Antarctic temperatures are increasing, and this may be (maybe, but not certainly) a contributive factor in the increase of continental ice.
As far as hot and cold extremes, yes: the last couple of years have seen a greater number of both hot and cold extremes occurring planet wide. This was predicted as a corollary to global warming. Despite the record-breaking cold in parts of Europe and Asia last Winter, however, January 2012 was the 19th warmest ever recorded worldwide, February was the 22nd warmest (and 2008 was cooler), March was the 16th warmest on record, and December 2011 was the 10th warmest December.
And lest we forget, despite the record breaking solar minimum that occurred in the last decade, all but one of the warmest years globally also occurred in the last decade – the outlier being 1998. The warmest year of all, 2005, occurred at the lowest point of the solar minimum.
Obviously there are other things going on besides greenhouse-induced global warming. But reporting on an increase of continental ice in Antarctica as if that somehow refutes global warming theory is just bad, bad science.”
He also later went on to say that increased snow in the Antarctic was due to the ozone hole above the pole which was caused by CFC’s. Anyhow, this is how the average global warmist is reacting to the Antarctic sea ice record. If anyone can point me to some good, foundational reading on climate science (without AGW bias),. I would be very grateful. Thanks for reading.

Gore’s cold sore.

Barbee

Inconvenient truth.
Damn inconvenient, indeed

Curious

Oh, apologies…my facebook “friend” was ranting about this article: http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/09/16/antarctic-ice-area-sets-another-record-nsidc-is-silent/
not about one posted on WUWT. Sorry for the confusion!

JamesD

Curious,
Low temperature records are set when there is a clear sky. Take the recent record set in Oklahoma last year in Bartlesville. -31F. The ground was covered with snow (blocking heat from the earth), and it was perfectly clear sky. Temperatures dropped to a record low because the heat was radiated to space. However, since CO2 increased so much, this should be impossible. However, it happened. Here’s what the CAGW fanatics don’t get. CO2 is one of may green house gases, with water being number 1. Now if you increase CO2 from 250 ppm to 400 ppm, that seems like a big increase. However if what your are doing is increasing TOTAL greenhouse gases from 2.03% to 2.04%, then that is not even noticeable. Which is why Oklahoma set a record low.

Curious says:
September 29, 2012 at 6:06 pm
“I am new here and very appreciative of the knowledge and open mindedness…”
Ask your friend if he (or she) knows about this:
Hubbard Glacier is defying the global paradigm of valley or mountain glacier shrinkage and retreat in response to global climate warming. Hubbard Glacier is the largest of eight calving glaciers in Alaska that are currently increasing in total mass and advancing. Hubbard glacier is the largest tidewater glacier (76 miles long) in North America. Here’s the link to U.S. Geological Survey Fact Sheet:
http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs-001-03/

Jeff D

Another proof that the Gore effect is real. If my memory hasn’t totally failed me didn’t Big Al and Hansen just recently make a personal visit to Antarctica? We need to donate for funds for him to make a trip to the Arctic and presto CAGW fixed!

pat

This will have to be verified by a commission made up the finest climate change scientists before a definitive statement is released. The information is very preliminary and seems to confirm CAGW. NOAA is releasing grant criteria as we speak.

wayne

Man Christian_J., classic! Mind if we clone that disclaimer? That even stands taller than the letters behind a name and says it all.

Gunga Din

Eric Worrall says:
September 29, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Our little 2 year old girl just outsmarted us.
We have banned play dough indoors, because it gets embedded in everything – cloth sofas, carpets, you name it.
So today we discovered she was smuggling small pieces of play dough into the house, hidden inside some of her dolls house toys.
I see this as proof of the imminent danger of catastrophic global warming.
==================================================================
Cute. Take a picture of it.
Anyone wonder what the link to CAGW is? That’s all a CAGW-based economy will leave us with, “play” dough.

Curious says:
September 29, 2012 at 6:06 pm
“It happens that Antarctic temperatures are increasing”
Show this to your friend : http://amrc.ssec.wisc.edu/news/index.php?id=41
South Pole New Temperature Record
Posted: 2012-06-18
On June 11, 2012 the temperature at South Pole Station in Antarctica was -73.8°C/-100.8°F.
This broke the previous minimum temperature record of -73.3°C/-99.9°F set in 1966.

Steve Oregon

Good thing smart people are watching and reporting the polar sea ice extent.
It would be a travesty if no one was and all the fluctuations happened without anyone knowing about it.
We would never know when to intervene.

Gerald Machnee

RE:
Phil. says:
September 29, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Anyone wonder why NOAA isn’t making a fuss about this?
Probably because they know that is weather noise on a barely significant trend which their own data tells them is far below the extent observed in the late 70s?
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/tar/wg1/fig2-16.htm
*********************************
What are you showing us in the link?
Anomaly up to year 2000.
You are not comparing extent in 2012.

Curious seems to have an alarmist friend with a reading disability.Article clearly states “sea ice area” with no mention of continental ice mass.
Arctic sea ice extent started turning up several days ago as well.

KR

Not terribly surprising – this was predicted as a consequence of global warming in 1991, by Manabe et al 1991 (http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/1520-0442%281991%29004%3C0785%3ATROACO%3E2.0.CO%3B2 and http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/1520-0442%281992%29005%3C0105%3ATROACO%3E2.0.CO%3B2). See pages 795 and 811 for details of this rather counter-intuitive effect.
Mechanism: additional _fresh_ water on the surface from more melting land ice increases the halocline gradient, reducing upwelling of warmer bottom waters transported from the tropics (the surface being cooled to the air), thus making for more sea ice. In the Southern Hemisphere _winter_, where it doesn’t affect albedo very much (sea ice around Antarctica melting almost _entirely_ during the summer). And an effect that will likely fade in importance with additional warming.
Increased Antarctic sea ice doesn’t balance out the huge decreases in Arctic sea ice, and as I note Antarctic ices is a not surprising effect of warming.

Peter Pond

We can’t explain the increase (Antarctic sea ice extent) and it is a travesty that we can’t.

pat

Curious
Glad you realize your friend is filled with scientific garbage. There is no known relationship between ozone levels and ice formation. In fact the CFL conjecture regarding ozone depletion has become a bit iffy in recent years. Some maintain the ozone may always have gone through cycles and we merely discovered the same without understanding all factors. The jury may have to reconvene. Warmists maintain ozone depletion is associated with Arctic ice depletion and Antarctic ice growth. It is unlikely both are true. In fact there is no real science on ozone and surface temperature excepting a hypothesis that the stratosphere will get sharply colder. Of course Warmists also say global warming causes the stratosphere to get colder.
The distinguishing feature between ground ice versus sea ice is the latter much more susceptible to melt because of wind and currents. Speaking of which. That is responsible for the current Arctic decline. Breakup because of weather, and then melt. And note that your friend would consider the melt of southern Greenland to be of extreme importance. Antarctic ice build up? Not so much.
But hysterics go hysterical at anything and have the curious ability to work every catastrophic fad into the grand mal.Your friend can likely discuss for hours GMO, chemtrails, and other grand schemes.
No abnormal weather has occurred in decades. The weather has been surprisingly moderate and historically benign. Likely attributable to the very mild global temperature increase since 1985 or so.

0U812

In a ‘movie scene’ I can imagine Mr. Dr. Mark Serreze at NSIDC pounding his fists on his desk and shouting his displeasure.
No NO NOOOOO!
Das Infidel!
NO NO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
He then picks up his phone and calls the President of the United States of America.
[Some negotiation necessary … and ‘careful words … then … Voundarba.]
[His Excellency Mr. Dr. Imperial Mark Serreze] Ah. My Mr. President I am Zo happies to Zpak to Zu.
[Barak Obama at the White House] Well could you speak more clearly … the line seems a broken from our end or something like that.
[His Excellency Mr. Dr. Imperial Mark Serreze] My Dearest Mr. President in the Whole Vorld. Dearest Me. I muzet request a thermonuzular sztrike on Anatarctizua at vonze. Time vi of ezzenze and ve much destry the Infaidel en ark now.
[Barak Obama at the White House] Mr. errr …. Serreze is that it … we … should I say …. the transmittion is breaking up … could you please fax a copy of your request to …. errrrr……
the ‘Mail Room’ here at the White House please. We …. errrr….. well …. It could …. errr ….
might be …. important …. errr ……..
[His Excellency Mr. Dr. Imperial Mark Serreze] Zoooo … my misted beloveded Furer Mr. Execullency President Obama … My you Like be Zlong and Sforphous.
An so it ends. Another distraught entanglement of a deranged citizen of the USA and his beloved President is brought to a quiet and soiled end.
8D

beesaman

Any decent journalist would be questioning why the big melt in the North but a big freeze in the South? Trouble is we don’t have any decent journalists anymore, just lackeys of the big climate lie…

KR, a contrary point of view is that:
1) Southern Hemisphere SST has a slight negative trend for the last 15 years.
2) Icesat says more land ice.
3) UAH says So_Pol is colder with a negative trend over the last 15 years.
4) If melting land ice causes more sea ice, and Greenland is melting supposedly, why isn’t there more sea ice in the arctic or at least near Greenland and all the large island in northern Canada which have ice sheets on them?
5) The AMO plays a role and I will have an interesting graph in the next day or so.

commieBob

Curious says:
September 29, 2012 at 6:06 pm
… Again, the article misleads its readers by failing to report the reason why ice levels are increasing on the Antarctic continent, and deliberately confusing land-based ice and sea ice, …

“… all time Antarctic sea ice extent record …” No, we’re comparing like with like.
The reading you choose will depend on your background. Visit the blogs that Wattsupwiththat links. Find those that ‘speak’ to you. Try to read broadly rather than deeply. Get to know what sounds reasonable. You will get convincing arguments on both sides of the issue that are hard to refute but which don’t pass the smell test if you have broad knowledge of the field.
As an example, I will give you my own conversion to a skeptic. I believed in AGW until Michael Mann presented us with the hockey stick. I had been a student of Viking history. I knew how the climate affected the settlement of Greenland. The hockey stick didn’t pass the smell test so I became curious. Because of my background, the two people who speak most convincingly to me are Burt Rutan and Richard Lindzen. Your background is different and you will find different voices more compelling.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2012/09/09/a-cool-headed-climate-conversation-with-aerospace-legend-burt-rutan/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/11/18/profess-richard-lindzens-congressional-testimony/

Tiburon

Dear Curious,
I’m not a commenter, I’m a lurker 🙂
But I can definitely empathize with your plight – I faced the same back in the early century and was rescued by the work of one man, John Daly, may he rest in peace – whose site “StillWaitingForTheGreehouse” is still being maintained, I believe by the family. His work, and about 300 hours online on his site, took me, with little science background, to what I still perceive to be a comprehensive overview of the complexities of the Global Climate System. Of course since then I’ve discovered the works of the many, many courageous scientists who are steadily advancing our understanding of this wonderful and mysterious world we live upon…in the face of viscious attacks by the often academically corrupt and compromised.
I got pretty deft at using online research for terms and concepts that were beyond me, but generally his presentation of ideas, and the linked papers he posted while he was with us, are approachable even for the science-challenged, while not sacrificing scientific integrity or over-simplifying the issues. He basically taught me Weather and Climate 101.
Oh…and my conclusion? CAWG is extremely high likelihood a total crock, purely political at this juncture, and if at all a ‘risk’, nothing (or only remotely) related to CO-2 (I’m hedging bets here due still-unknowns like land use, soots and sulfur particulates, (albedo effects) etc) (oh, and HAARP and Chemtrails :o))

major

This all too typical of the big lie tactic. Totally contradict the truth repeatedly until the 60 % who are basically uneducated in the World believe it out of shear conditioning. These are a vicious minority of powerful elitests who believe its their destiny to rule and enslave what they view as the inferior. This is notin fact about competing scientific ideologies.

Eugene WR Gallun

CURIOUS
I am not one of the smart people here so can’t really reply to your post — but i can tell you something about warmist “thinking”.
The current warmist dialogue is that summer Artic ice shrinkage is extremely important and proves global warming — and that the increase in Antarctic ice on land and sea is not important.
What you must understand about warmist thinking is that if the observed facts were exactly the opposite — WITH ANTARCTIC ICE ON LAND AND SEA SHRINKING AND SUMMER ARCTIC ICE SETTING NEW RECORDS FOR GREATER EXTENT — then the warmists would be touting the lesser Antarctic ice as extremely important and proving global warming and the increase of summer Arctic ice as not important at all.
That cataclysmic man-made global warming is happening is the conclusion that must always be reached no matter what is observed! That is warmist “thinking” I hope this has been helpful to you.
Eugene WR Gallun

John F. Hultquist

Curious says:
September 29, 2012 at 6:06 pm
If anyone can point me to some good, foundational reading on climate science (without AGW bias),. I would be very grateful. Thanks for reading.

I too am curious, namely because starting from an Antarctic sea ice post you end up asking for readings on climate science.
So first, I suggest you find the search box on WUWT (its under the ad at the top right) and enter “sea ice” – at the bottom of the returned links note that there are older posts to be found. Keep clicking backward until you are several years back, perhaps 5. Then start reading forward, following links to other blogs and papers.
Then you could start with another topic. Your choice. Then note other skeptical-view blogs such as Jo Nova, Climate Audit, and The Reference Frame (the last two can get very technical – you may want to go to your local university and ask at the Physics and Chemistry Departments for a slightly older copy of an introductory text).
Read all the comments so you learn who knows what and how they know what they do. For example, a fellow named ‘tonyb’ knows history. You can take what he says to the bank if he writes that folks froze to death in city x in year n. If you read enough you will learn about the views folks hold and how they treat other folks. You could read at Tamino’s site or at Real Climate for a comparison with the above mentioned ones. A different sort of material can be found at “The Chiefio” site and at Lucia’s The Blackboard.
Anyway, after about 100 to 200 hours of reading, come back and ask more specific questions.

DR

Funny how no matter what happens, KR and his fellow AGW cohorts can always find a prediction that agrees with the current conditions. If the Antarctic had been doing the opposite with a record low, rest assured that too would be “not terribly surprising”, with myriads of references.
Just reach in the magic bag and pull out a prediction that matches reality.

Gunga Din

Jeff D says:
September 29, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Another proof that the Gore effect is real. If my memory hasn’t totally failed me didn’t Big Al and Hansen just recently make a personal visit to Antarctica? We need to donate for funds for him to make a trip to the Arctic and presto CAGW fixed!
=====================================================================
If I remember correctly, they went down there at the end of the southern hemispheres “summer”, the best time to get a photo op with glaciers calving. AlGore is a politician after all. So is Hansen it seems.