The Daily Mail (DM) claims in “Is Antarctica’s Doomsday Glacier about to COLLAPSE?” that the Thwaites Glacier could lose its ice shelf “this year” with “devastating consequences” for global sea levels. This is false. The article’s claims rely on worst-case modeling scenarios while ignoring measured data, physical scale, and the substantial uncertainty surrounding projections.
The DM article warns that Thwaites could “trigger catastrophic sea-level rise” and suggests its ice shelf is on the verge of imminent failure. That framing creates the impression of a sudden, unstoppable chain reaction. But the researchers actually studying Thwaites distinguish between ongoing retreat and irreversible collapse. Measured basal melting and grounding line retreat are real phenomena. However, projecting full structural collapse on a specific timeline is solely a model forecast built on unverified assumptions and limited observations.
Scale matters.
Thwaites Glacier contains on the order of 600,000 gigatons of ice. Even if one accepts the article’s cited figure of roughly 200 gigatons of potential ice loss in coming decades, that is a tiny fraction of the total mass. As shown in the graph to the right in the figure below, the total ice loss each year is a nearly undetectable three ten-thousandths of 1 percent (0.0003 percent) of the Antarctic ice mass.

As Climate at a Glance documents in its review of Antarctic ice trends, Antarctic ice mass variability is complex and regionally heterogeneous. Short-term losses do not automatically translate into runaway collapse or multi-meter sea-level rise.
The mechanism of melting is also misrepresented in popular coverage. The International Thwaites Glacier Collaboration deployed instruments beneath the ice shelf and directly measured Circumpolar Deep Water intruding beneath the glacier. This relatively warm ocean water, about 1°C above freezing, melts the ice from below. That is an ocean circulation issue, not an atmospheric temperature issue. Ocean currents bringing subsurface warm water into contact with the ice shelf are a key driver. Blaming “climate change” misleads about the physical mechanism behind the ongoing decline.
The DM’s tone implies the inevitability of collapse. But measurements show ongoing retreat and thinning consistent with instability in certain sectors. The distinction is crucial. Observations document present behavior. Models extrapolate future behavior under assumed forcings. The leap from measured thinning to “collapse this year” is undermined by empirical evidence. The media has made similar alarming assertions over the years, and Climate Realism has refuted them, for instance, here, here, and here.
Climate Realism has repeatedly noted that Antarctic ice projections have swung widely over the past decade, with studies alternately warning of imminent collapse, then revising timelines, then highlighting stabilizing feedbacks. A Washington Times analysis of recent Thwaites data emphasized that while retreat is measurable, the data do not demonstrate a sudden, irreversible tipping point in the near term. Ice-sheet dynamics unfold over decades to centuries, not news headline cycles.
There is also the matter of broader Antarctic context. Satellite observations show that while parts of West Antarctica have lost mass, other regions, including portions of East Antarctica, have gained mass. Net Antarctic trends vary depending on the time window selected. Short baselines can exaggerate perceived acceleration. The mechanism is primarily oceanographic. It involves shifting ocean currents transporting subsurface heat beneath the ice shelf. That distinction is important. The dominant process here is not surface air temperature melting the glacier from above. It is warm seawater interacting with the glacier’s underside.
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Sixth Assessment Report concluded that Antarctic ice loss could contribute significantly to long-term sea-level rise under high-emissions scenarios, yet the same IPCC recently admitted that such scenarios are implausible; in fact, impossible. Warnings of collapse shouldn’t be taken seriously when they are based on impossible physical emissions scenarios. There is deep uncertainty in ice-sheet modeling, particularly regarding marine ice-cliff instability and hydrofracturing assumptions. Extreme assumptions drive the projections of near-term collapse. Climate models are not measurements.
The DM has a long record of using capitalized words like “COLLAPSE” and “DOOMSDAY” to generate clicks. That is not scientific communication. The difference between a long-term ice retreat and sudden disintegration matters.
Over the long-term, ice shelves can thin and retreat, but this is not equal to nor will it trigger an instantaneous sea-level catastrophe. Ocean-driven melt processes are measurable and ongoing, but they are part of a dynamic system influenced by ocean circulation patterns that predate modern industrial emissions. Presenting a complex, multidecadal glaciological process as an imminent apocalypse does not inform readers.
The DM’s story does not represent a sober, accurate analysis of trends in Antarctica, grounded in measured data and testable science. It is climate doomsday click-bait, using dramatic typography.
As most people know except for those working at the Daily Mail, melting of floating ice does not add to sea level. The Thwaites glacier ice shelf is already afloat so whatever effect such ice may have on sea level is already in our sea level data. The continent itself is gaining ice according to NOAA, despite Google’s assertion that it is loosing ice.
The Thwaites glacier contributes to sea level because of the ice flowing from above the grounding line.
Here’s an image of the last year’s movement.
https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=537362;image
https://www.awi.de/en/about-us/service/press/single-view/wissenschaftliche-studie-zum-thwaites-gletscher.html
So a glacier is going to do what glaciers do. Scary.
Amen to that none of us will be around to care .. it’s like getting killed by snails it could probably happen you just have to live long enough.
Just doing it 5X faster than in the 1990s!
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2025GL118823
Seems a lot of alarmists think only that a glacier loses ice at the bottom. Never seems to occur to them that ice has to accumulate at the top, and that water/ice comes from the ocean. It’s a cycle, not a conveyor belt.
Here is the worlds largest iceberg (a-23a) still going strong after 40 years
https://science.nasa.gov/earth/earth-observatory/meltwater-turns-iceberg-a-23a-blue/
Lets take a walk down the batsh#t crazy lane and say the glacier fell apart tomorrow and started floating off like a-23a. Lets make you do some research on the internet and work out the approximate timescale it would all take to melt. Lets give you a hint it’s in the range 500-5000 years see if you can narrow down your best guess.
It doesn’t matter that it’s still “going strong”, it made its contribution to sea level rise the moment it started floating! It’s the rate at which it’s crossing the grounding line that counts.
The DM article wasn’t about crossing the grounding line …
“Now, researchers say that the glacier’s floating ‘buttress’ of ice could crumble away within months.”
.. so in this context it’s irrelevant. The DM article was only about the floating ice. And that can’t change the sea level.
Yes and that ‘floating buttress’ is what slows the outward flow of the glacier, if that goes then the flow of ice from the glacier increases, thereby increasing the sea level!
Doesn’t the Thwaites glacier also contribute to lowering sea level by storing previously evaporated ocean water in its upland ice pack before such is melted or calved off as icebergs?
And the ice added to the continent detracts from sea level. If you are going to count ice, you gotta count all.
What about mass balance? did it ever occur to you that the ice flowing from the lower end of the glacier is being replaced by accumulating ice at the top of the glacier?
It is a natural process that the floating ice shelf extending off the land-supported portion of a glacier regularly looses mass by the process of “calving” off icebergs, in many cases single icebergs having thousands of km^2 of horizontal surface area.
I don’t belief such calving leads directly to collapse of the source glacier. I might be wrong.
Missing from this article is the fact that volcanoes under the Thwaites are a major source of melting. Probably way more than the slight warming past the grounding line.
It’s melting, exept where it isn’t.
Climate variability in West Antarctica derived from annual accumulation-rate records from ITASE firn/ice cores
Published online by Cambridge University Press: 14 September 2017
Thirteen annually resolved accumulation-rate records covering the last ~200 years from the Pine Island–Thwaites and Ross drainage systems and the South Pole are used to examine climate variability over West Antarctica. Accumulation is controlled spatially by the topography of the ice sheet, and temporally by changes in moisture transport and cyclonic activity. A comparison of mean accumulation since 1970 at each site to the long-term mean indicates an increase in accumulation for sites located in the western sector of the Pine Island–Thwaites drainage system.
& per grok , a cold, salty brine at \(-1.9^{\circ }\text{C}\) cannot melt ice. In fact, this is the natural freezing point of average ocean water. Because the brine is already at its freezing point and is in thermal equilibrium with the surrounding environment, it cannot provide the necessary heat to melt ice
In the UK there is a blanket silence, but you can clearly see that the demise of their favourite yellow brick road, RCP8.5, has caused some degree of, er… alarm. The media is now replete with recycled scares from glaciers to El Ninos etc.
In short, it isn’t going to work. If they haven’t worked over the last three decades they are not going to magically work now. But what else do they know how to do? Nothing.
can pumping chemicals into the ocean help stop global heating?
Though it sounds perverse, the event was part of a scientific experiment that could advance a technology to combat both global heating and ocean acidification. Guardian
Prepare for El Niño, UN warns BBC
Substantial and irreparable environmental damage to the Antarctic Peninsula will occur if global warming exceeds 2°C.
Significant loss of sea ice, ice shelf collapse and glacier recession risk self-perpetuating processes that will amplify polar warming and influence global climate, ocean circulation and sea level. – Imperial College
All modelled and all relying on the assumptions of… RCP8.5
I love the term “ocean acidification”. Worst case scenario the ocean is still slightly alkaline, right in the perfect spot for all sea life.
I’m surprised that Watts’ rebuttal of the Daily Mail article doesn’t include the simple fact that Denis noted: When floating ice melts, it doesn’t raise the liquid level. In other words, the worried claim is completely groundless.
The Martha Stewart Cocktail principle.
It’s a glacier, it flows, the floating ice came from on land as more of it crosses the grounding line it raises the sea level irrespective of whether it melts!
Our planet is in a radical climate change. AWI
That was funny. When hasn’t the climate been changing, I wonder?
Is the sheet already afloat as noted above?
Yes the vast mass breaking up is already floating the only new stuff being floated is the flow rate.
Then tell Phil that it has already displaced all the sea it ever will, please.
All the floating ice has, it is the land based ice that is sliding over the grounding line that is displacing more sea and adding to the sea level.
How did the land-based ice get there?
It slides down the slope at a rate of about 2km/yr
Wow.. glaciers flow.. who knew !!!!
Try this.. just think of it as a slow moving river…. rain and snow falls on the surface all over its catchment area.. then flows back to the sea.
There is no sign of any increased rise in sea level rate at any tide gauge…
So.. DON’T PANIC
Ok. As Watt points out this rate of change is tiny, and the result of ocean currents not atmospheric temps. So, burning less fossil fuels will not affect this, at all.
Seas started rising well before fossil fuels could have affected them. You better get busy shoring up the coast, which we know how to do, and ditch the Net Zero silliness. It’s a useless endeavor, and a grift.
Where does the water that is deposited as ice on the continent come from?
Good question. As the glacier creeps downhill, is it leaving bare ground behind it or is it being replenished at the “top” by snow and ice from the sky?
Where did all that water vapor come from? Evaporated from the oceans maybe?
ROFL
Thwaites Ice Velocity: Flow speeds in the main trunk average >2Km per year … if it get much faster we call it a river. The all time record for any glacier is 17km/year.
The grounding line is actually retreating faster at 3km per year backwards so technically the glacier is retreating and in a few years when the rates match each other it will reach a new stability.
So lets run the scenario you melt the entire glacier maximum sea-level rise is 65 cm (25–26 inches) … now you have your homework what is the fastest you could melt that much ice in open water.
Only the flow rate ice is going from land supported to floating the vast bulk breaking up is already floating or at least somewhat floating. You want the 65cm sea level rise alarm story you have to melt the ice and that is where that number comes from.
You want to make up your own story then you need to adjust the sea level rise down.
It doesn’t need to melt, just enter the ocean. The glacier is ~120km wide and ~1km deep so at ~2km/year that’s ~240 km^3 added to the oceans/year.
So basically no more than a flea bite of an elephants posterior.
1.) If it doesn’t melt it doesn’t move look at the change in it’s moving speed throughout the year
2.) You forget it’s not a one way cycle there is still snow being deposited at the back of the glacier which comes from the ocean. the net difference between the two is how much sea level rises.
You are doing some Phil special physics where you have a glacier moving forward and what a big hole opening up behind it?
Sorry I don’t do special Phil physics so I will leave you to it.
What could be melting the ice, sub-zero air temperature or geothermal heat? Gee, that’s a tough one..
https://joannenova.com.au/2017/08/antarctica-91-volcanoes-coincidentally-found-under-glaciers-warming-due-to-climate-change/
The glacier won’t speed up until sea levels rise enough to lift the glacier off of this grounding line.
That may happen some day, it didn’t happen during the Holocene Optimum when temperatures were 2C and more warmer than they are today.
Beyond that, the grounding line is just one of many sources of friction that slow glaciers down. Even it’s total disappearance would barely impact the speed at which the glacier is flowing into the sea.
It is a glacier. It is created by water evaporated from the world’s oceans falling on land (particularly in high altitude mountain valleys) as snow or sleet. Such evaporation, of course, acting to lower overall global sea level.
Period.
I was late to the party but this is the same point i tried to make in a few comments above as I was scrolling through.
The reason it flows Phil is that ice is added to its highlands just like rivers flow when water is added to highlands, only much slower. And as you know, the overall Antarctic continent is gaining ice at least as said by those radical guys in NOAA.
Why does the glacier flow?
In Phil physics it just moves and there is obviously some huge hole opening up behind it and the process goes on indefinitely.
It all gets re-deposited on top as rain and snow.
Its a cycle of water that has been known for millennia !
The idea is that when the grounded “ice shelf” comes loose or melts, then it is like a brake released on a vehicle parked on a slope. Does the released auto roll downhill – sure. Does an earth-bound glacier behave in a similar manner when the ice-shel goes?
Recall the Petermann Glacier in Greenland, known for its significant calving events, including a massive iceberg that broke off in August 2010, which was the largest Arctic iceberg to calve since 1962.
Note the two dates; 2010 and 1962. I just checked and the Greenland ice is still there.
Even if that “grounding” line were to completely disappear, the rest of the glacier still has to grind against the floor and walls of the channel it flows through, all the way from the source to where is starts floating.
The grounding line is just a small percentage of the friction that the glacier has to over come. It’s loss would barely be measurable.
While ice is supported on land, it displaces no water, but if you toss it into the sea, it will displace its own weight of water. As it melts, it will add a little more water. When fully melted, it will have added its own volume of water, in total.
If you push your boat off the beach, worldwide sea level will also rise as the boat displaces its own weight of water. Archimedes said something about it, I believe. Not sure you will notice the increase in depth though.
I had a thought for a cartoon. An animal named Thwaites is balanced on a ball. I searched with “animal balancing on a ball”. There are many images — some drawings, some may be fake, and some look real.
There are videos too. A cute one is: Fluffy Baby Penguin Balancing on a Ball” [Could be fake. I can’t tell.]
In any case, ice shelves have been slipping into the sea from a time long before Noah’s grandfather Methuselah was a toddler, with no known consequences.
None of the previous warm periods since the end of the Holocene Optimum caused surging of this glacier. For that matter, neither did the Holocene Optimum.
“Dr Robert Larter, marine geophysicist at the British Antarctic Survey, warns that the shelf’s breakup is ‘very likely to happen sometime this year”.
It’s all about professional jealousy. Wadhams has a Unit named after him.
The ice shelf didn’t collapse during the Holocene Optimum, when for over 5000 years, temperatures were 2C and more above current temperatures.
Who and when was the Thwaites Glacier first called “The Doomsday Glacier”?
This Daily Mail article? Al Gore lamenting the possible extinction of Polar Bears? 😎
This will upset the eco-mentalists.
Not the story, they’ll lap up the story and spread it all over (un)social media and through the Misleadia.
What’ll pee them off most is the story is from a right-wing newspaper, sorry a far-right rag, and they’ll love the story, but hate the Daily Mail.
Stayed tuned for far-left extremists heads exploding
Most of Thwaites sits on the ocean floor, it is not free floating. Google AI says it is about 260,000km3 above flotation. So yes it would significantly raise sea level if it all melted.
West Antarctic ice sheets have been rapidly retreating since at least the 1940s, clearly little to do with AGW, although no doubt alarmists will claim acceleration.
Scientists, here’s a practical study you should get a grant to do –
If a chunk of compacted, frozen snow the size of Thwaites is a big worry for when it might melt away, how come the 2 ft of stacked up stuff at the sides of our streets left over from the City’s grader takes months to finally be gone?
Did I just calculate correctly, that if a third of the Thwaites Glacier melts, then sea levels will rise by about one-and-a-half millimeters?
If it isn’t replaced as snow and rain from above.
Nope 650mm if it all melted or under Phil physics and it slides down instantly and drops into the ocean.
It’ll be an unprecedented existential collapse.