I posted this on the Daily Lew Issue 5 as an update, but I decided it was so telling of the state of mind for the SkS crowd that it needed its own separate post. This also happens to be post 7000 on WUWT.
I had pretty much ignored the SkS forum dump when it was happening, thinking that perhaps they were being treated unfairly, but since John Cook has gone a bridge too far now with this Lewandowsky “moon landing survey” mess and his association with it, I no longer feel the need to hold back on what is going on behind the scenes over there.
Here is Glenn Tamblyn (Skeptical Science author/moderator) secretly conversing with his SkS pals on their off limits forum and saying “we need a conspiracy to save humanity”. The Viet Cong comparison is a nice touch too. There’s talk of convening a “war council” too.
And this isn’t about science or personal careers and reputations any more. This is a fight for survival. Our civilisations survival. .. We need our own anonymous (or not so anonymous) donors, our own think tanks…. Our Monckton’s … Our assassins.
Anyone got Bill Gates’ private number, Warren Buffett, Richard Branson? Our ‘side’ has got to get professional, ASAP. We don’t need to blog. We need to network. Every single blog, organisation, movement is like a platoon in an army. ..This has a lot of similarities to the Vietnam War….And the skeptics are the Viet Cong… Not fighting like ‘Gentlemen’ at all. And the mainstream guys like Gleick don’t know how to deal with this. Queensberry Rules rather than biting and gouging.
..So, either Mother Nature deigns to give the world a terrifying wake up call. Or people like us have to build the greatest guerilla force in human history. Now. Because time is up…Someone needs to convene a council of war of the major environmental movements, blogs, institutes etc. In a smoke filled room (OK, an incense filled room) we need a conspiracy to save humanity.
[As quoted by Geoff Chambers in this Bishop Hill thread. http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2012/3/26/opengate-josh-158.html?currentPage=2#comments ]
Yet climate skeptics are being painted as conspiracy theory nutters by the very same people who say “a conspiracy to save humanity” is needed.
Gleick was fighting with “Queensberry Rules” when he assumed a fake identity and stole documents from Heartland?
Riiiight.
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For the excitable people that get upset about such things as this post, it is worth pointing out that the SkS “secret” forum was left wide open, and Cook blames himself No hack or ‘Gleick Queensberryness’ was needed, also from BH by poster David who captured this SkS announcement on 23 February 2012 by Cook himself:
Got an email from Brian P this morning saying that the whole forum was publicly available to him, even when he wasn’t logged in. I checked and this was true.A little panicky, I investigated and worked out that all the permission levels of each forum had been set down to zero. Normally, they’re set so only authors can access most of them, except the translator forum is also accessible to translators. Strangely though, there is an admin forum that only admins can access and that wasn’t set to zero – it was still set so only admins can access it.
I have no idea how this happened. Several possibilities come to mind. First, I did it by accident when I was screwing around with the database sometime. Someone with admin access (there are about half a dozen SkSers with this access) made the change. Or we were hacked in some way and the hacker changed the levels. None of the options seem likely to me but the most likely is human error on my part although the fact that the admin forum was still set at admin level belies some kind of blanket wiping of all levels.
So I’m a little freaked out – it’s not knowing how this happened that has me most worried. Has anyone been looking at the forum and how long has this been available? But I’ve been procrastinating some of those security measures that have been suggested to me and as soon as I get to work this morning, am going to implement some of those measures.
UPDATE: It gets worse.
Steve McIntyre points out the wholesale deletion of over 50 of Tom Fuller’s comments at Lewandowsky’s blog today (after they had been in place for days) and made this comment:
Steve McIntyre: Posted Sep 15, 2012 at 1:43 PM
Re: Iain McQueen (Sep 15 13:28),
In the secret SkS forum, a member of the SkS squadron stated that “McIntyre must go down”. In another post, another SkS squadron member fantasized about ripping out Watts’ throat as follows:
Sometimes you just want to let loose and scream about how you want to take those motherfucking arseholes, those closed-minded bigotted genocidal pieces of regurgitated dog shit and do unspeakable violence to their bodies and souls for what they are doing to the safety of what and who we all hold dear. (Ain’t a lack of a moderation policy a cleansing and liberating thing?)…
Work out what you are best suited too and do that. But be able to distance yourself enough from your personal reactions to also see the bigger picture of the entire war and contribute to framing that broad campaign – “We need to focus on this and this and this. But my personal contribution will be to ripe Anthony Watts’ throat out – metaphorically of course.”
Such nice people, those SkS authors, contributors, and moderators.
I hope someone is keeping a record of all this; when sociologists start writing papers about The Great Global Warming Conspiracy, they will need details as to how the movement self-destructed in puclic 😉
FD
Sell! 🙂
Seems to be unbiased science oriented guys!
I would suggest a “Believers Behaving Badly” page dedicated to incidents like these would be useful in the future, especially when the next Lewandowsky “study” comes along claiming to show disturbed beliefs from the skeptics.
Caleb says:
September 15, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Well, current world population is about 6,973,738,433.
According to the Georgia Guidestones: “Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.”
That works out to about 6,473,738,433 that need to be trimmed from the population.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_guidestone
“”The sky is warming, the sky is warming… ” Vietcong, Marxists, Trotskyites, Radical Feminists, AFL-CIO, Teamsters… do as I say or you will face extortion, throat-ectomies, yada, yada, yada…
GWB….”I had to destroy the free enterprise system to save the free enterprise system”….
SkS, et al….”We must destroy humanity to save humanity”….
enough with plutocrats and their armies of usefull idiot, egalitarian pretenders demanding control of all reality…by creating their own FAUX Reality….humanity MUST defeat these Green Meanies….
They are scared emotional irrational , emotive people who genuinley believe in the coming (compared to the holocaust) climate catastophy..
Read this from the Ecologist, in 2001. George Marshall (no, another one, a 20 year veteran greenpeace and rainforest campigner, – VERY active to this day)
Ecologist – The Psychology of Denial: our failure to act against climate change
http://ecoglobe.ch/motivation/e/clim2922.htm
George was involved in EarthFirst (UK) got the funding from Goldsmith (yes that rich guy, founder of ecologist) and gave it direction, anybody recognise JBowers (Guardian warmist commentor) Probably? Jake Bowers co-founder UK EarthFirst..
George Marshall founded RisingTide – and gave us the very first Deniers – Hall of Shame – With Bjorn Lomborg in it, and his old favourite evil corporations, had been fighting them in rainforests for 20 years)
And George is currently founder of COIN and working with psychologists in the UK, Cardiff, Nottingham, UWE in the field of eco-psycology, ….. google his video ‘How to Talk to a Climate Denier’
DR Adam Corner (Guardian contributor, Cardiff Uni, isGeorge’s policy advisor) Adam wrote a little artcile about sceptics being like conspiracy theorists, after someone called Lewandowsky sent him a copy of his new paper (a month before the pre-release) a very small green social network that is toatlly insular, anytime they meet an angry sceptic, all their pre-conceptions are fullfilled.
So what you might say..
Well his blog http://www.climatedenial.org, was listed on Realclimate in the very early days of the website. and when Mike Mann wanted to contact Monbiot, George Marshall gave Mann, George Monbiots email address. George also seem to have started the whole field of eco-psychology, and the themes of that article, resonate to this day.. (google George Marshall and the Guardian)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/search?q=%22george+Marshall%22§ion=environment
Alarmed scientists working with alarmed environmentalists closely for decades, classic groupthink potential… scared and angry about losing to sceptics, when in fact the real world is just catching up (economy & politics, sceptics largely irrelevant)
Sceptics need to understand these guys, they really believe (like Hansen)
From Darren Potter on September 15, 2012 at 2:53 pm:
Ha ha. Ha. It should be clear to anyone that Googles it that the address is worthless, due to the disinformation about that address strewn long ago and actively maintained, no one will believe that’s it.
Besides, the site specifically “exploits” a never-fixed security vulnerability unique to Win 98 SE to make the connection, that’s in the original OS and can’t be emulated, so it can initiate the silent auto-wipe of the connected machine the microsecond it detects an eavesdropper. No one runs that anymore, nor bothers to keep it on a separate partition. You have to be given the configuration file to run it in a virtual machine over Linux, and then only Gentoo. Plus the coding is so old that no browser from this century will render it readable let alone usable. Optimized for Netscape 3.4?
Don’t worry, it’s as safe and secure as it ever was. Security through obscurity. No one can see it if they don’t know how to see it, and they neither have nor can obtain the tools needed even if they knew how.
Plus the risk of a silent auto-wipe keeps them from trying. I did mention the silent auto-wipe possibility from running such an open unprotected system, yes?
Insidiae
http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definitions/Conspiracies
Reading those posts I get a picture of a bunch of losers sitting around a table in a basement passing around a joint while saying this garbage. I would laugh myself unconscious if their actions wouldn’t ultimately destroy nations’ economies.
Max Hugoson: Just remember Amy Bishop had science PhD.
So let’s get this right then. The broad and loose sweep of Vietnam is that we went to war after the gin up on the Gulf of Tonkin and then attempted to fight a vast, grassroots, set of irregulars by attempting to win their hearts and minds.
Same same of late with Climate in the screech of the PNS offensive of unwashed blogsters and the need to win by better messaging. And despite that the historical irregulars prevailed, and that we’re up to our eyeballs in gin ups already, the answer is? Needs more Tonkin.
I can just see Christopher Walken tossing that one out while sporting paddy sandals.
Malignant narcissm. Inflated self-esteem combined with a lack of contact with reality. Extremely dangerous in someone with intelligence.
It’s becoming evident that the SS label is a better fit. 🙂
“…We need our own anonymous (or not so anonymous) donors, our own think tanks…. Our Monckton’s … Our assassins…”
Why do they need their own anonymous donors? Try finding out who’s paying the bills on their blogs. Or, better yet, see what they go through to hide sources on some CAGW blogs – such as Tamino’s Open Mind asking to place your donations to “Peaceblossom’s Closet”.
And why do need their own Monckton? We’re willing to let them use ours whenever they want.
They might learn something if they listen, and keep an open mind.
BTW, Anthony, when will the link to Lew’s world be added to the blogroll, right there under the unreliable banner along with Skeptical Science – since it’s been proven that John Cook runs the show?
Just the past few days show they deserve the unreliable banner “…Due to (1) deletion, extension and amending of user comments, and (2) undated post-publication revisions of article contents after significant user commenting…”
Kevin Schurig says:
September 15, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Reading those posts I get a picture of a bunch of losers sitting around a table in a basement passing around a joint while saying this garbage. I would laugh myself unconscious if their actions wouldn’t ultimately destroy nations’ economies.
In other words your conspiracy theory?
On the really believe part there is an element here of pantheistic nature worship that lies just below the surface. It is very dominant in the systems thinking, deep ecology, and Environmental Justice parts of the movement. I have written before about something called BEST-Bronfenbrenner Ecological Systems Thinking. People are merely another species and our human ingenuity needs to be eliminated or controlled to stop the domination of nature. Hint: Gut via Constructivism in education. Species are another part of Nature. Economies are situated within Society. And societies are situated within the physical environment. So the physical environment is paramount.http://virtual.yosemite.cc.ca.us/childdevelopment/Cheryl/Sp10/EcologicalHandout.pdf is a link to what BEST sees the world as. Lew lives in a BEST world.
But it’s not reality. It’s an updated view of Marxist political theory. It exists to try to change reality. By coming up with his poor article and survey Lew tried to once again make criticism of Marxist political theory ethically unacceptable. Kick in the herd instinct. Lew is just a 21st century Lysenko pushing whatever “science” the powers that be will fund and desire.
Reminds me of the Sokal Hoax all over again. Must take out the hard sciences.
Blame originally falls on Gaia if truth be told.
Gaia , the goddess of earth, feeling sultry hooks up with Uranus, the god of sky to beget Cronus, the god of time. Cronus takes an appropriate technology scythe to Uranus; who drips some blood into the sea which becomes the 3 perpetually vengeful Furies, half-sisters of Cronus.
Rhea hooks up with Cronus to beget 7 offspring, who form a gang with 5 other gods to become the original 12 Olympians. But a guest blog prophecy convinces Cronus to eat his own spawn to avoid payback .
Lacking government provided contraception Rhea’s extra-marital affair brings Zeus into the world. By some dumb fluke Rhea manages to get Cronus so drunk he eats a rock wrapped in a blanket instead of Zeus, who Rhea hid in Hawaii.
Zeus gets a liberal education & finally overwhelms Cronus. Forced by Zeus to comply with the Freedom of Information Act Cronus spews back all those eaten offspring & apparently also CO2.
Jupiter is one of the son’s of Cronus that got released back out to play god. However actions have consequences and Leif Svalgaard let the secret out at 9:12 am Sept. 15, 2012 about WhatsUpWithThat, disclosing: “Glaciations are due to changing orbital elements [and axial tilt] of the Earth [cause by gravitational perturbations mainly by Jupiter]….”
So if that slut Gaia had an abortion, instead of Cronus, we wouldn’t have climate change to begin with. Don’t fall for the Furies line it’s all about the CO2 baffed up along with Jupiter, because the conspiratory Furies know without Cronus they’d be nowhere.
Make this nut talk be a part of a permanent library on Warmists lunacy. Future historians will love the resource in studies of mass delusion.
J. Philip Peterson says:September 15, 2012 at 1:15 pm ”Are we not all for openness and transparency?”
Wishful thinking Petersen. Warmist blogs are for: GLOBAL warming in 100y, at any cost. Laundromat for brainwashing. 2] ”Skeptic’s” blogs are for: keep presenting past ”LOCALIZED” warmings / localized glaciations, as GLOBAL – to prove with their past phony GLOBAL warmings; that is not going to be global warming in 100years = same laundromat for brainwashing.
Both camps confuse big / small climatic changes as increasing / decreasing in GLOBAL temp. Same crap presented in different wrappings. Global temp ”overall” doesn’t go up and down as a yo-yo, But for the fanatics from both camps is irrelevant. The circus must go on. Innocent taxpayer is getting ripped-off for billions of$$, because of ”closed parashoot brains, by both sides of the sandpit. When the truth is known by the public, psychiatrist will get rich.
When you go from Florida to the west-coast, or from Brisbane west to Geraldton – in a week you will encounter 20-30 different climates. Did in that week happened 15 GLOBAL warmings and another 15 GLOBAL coolings?! If the ”active commenters” cannot see why are different climates instead of pining them on galactic dust, sunspots, UV, CO2 – instead of regular availability of H2O on lands – he / she has being indoctrinated in blind fanaticism. Big climatic changes are caused by ‘localized warmings / coolings” normal natural phenomena – GLOBAL warmings are a ”phenomenal” lies. Same galactic dust, same sunspots affect Brazil and Sahara – but have completely different climates = trees have bigger IQ / intelligence, than people indoctrinated that sunspots /UV and galactic dust control climate – trees know which climate is better. Around Kyoto city is 500% more CO2, than in Sahara, but Kyoto has beautiful climate – what Sahara doesn’t have; is a taboo to both fanatic camps, tragic… Warmist believe 90% possibility of global warming in 100years – ”Skeptics” believe 101% in the imaginary / phony GLOBAL warmings. Half of the ”pretend Skeptics” are Warmist, under false pretense. Warmist are riding on the ”pretend Skeptics” backs. Warmist cannot have one legitimate proof; because is no such a thing as ”GLOBAL warming” but the Fake Skeptics are Warmist’s geldings. The truth is not palatable to both camps, but truth always wins on the end – time is against fanatics.
Friends:
Please do not lose sight of the important fact; i.e.
the AGW-scaremongers know they have lost.
In private they discuss their desperation and consider what else they could do to fulfil their nefarious objectives.
We stuck to empirical science and proclaimed it whenever, wherever and however we could.
They ran from debate and resorted to every kind of dirty trick both legal and illegal.
But the AGW-scare was never really about the science. Decades of research and tens of billions of US$ have failed to find any evidence of any kind to support the scare. If it were about the science then it would have been dismissed and forgotten long ago.
From the start the scare was mostly about the politics. And at Copenhagen in 2009 the politicians decided they could not get the economic policies they wanted from it. So it will slowly fade away: a politician cannot do a U-turn but backs-away from an issue that has been abandoned.
The scaremongers were far, far too sure of themselves. (un)RelaClimate was their main web site until its moderation policy was so blatant that it discredited itself. Himalayagate caused any except ‘true believers’ in the scare to question the nature of the IPCC.
Our priority now need to be to guard against regulations and laws which would solidify problems of the scare after the scare is forgotten. That requires us to keep stating the science and exposing the malpractices of the scaremongers.
So, we need to keep doing what we have been doing. Importantly, we need to sustain our attempts to ‘clean the stables’ of science from the muck which this affair has created.
Richard
Ms. Hollender really should read these.
[snip -over the top – Anthony]
Just as part of my bio, I was at the first earth day at Fairmount Park in Philadelphia 1970. U.S. Senator Edmund Muskie was the keynote speaker on Earth Day in Fairmount Park in Philadelphia. Other notable attendees included consumer protection activist and presidential candidate Ralph Nader; Landscape Architect Ian McHarg; Nobel prize-winning Harvard Biochemist, George Wald; U.S. Senate Minority Leader, Hugh Scott; and poet, Allen Ginsberg*. I listened to all these speakers. I consider myself an environmentalist. I believe in clean air, clean water, clean everything etc. The EPA is now out of control. I resent being lumped in with the conspiracy theory people in the original survey. I don’t believe in any of them. I saw Lee Harvey Oswald being shot on live TV and still believe that he was the lone nut who did it. I was accused recently of being a 911 truther from a longtime friend of mine (with a PHD in computer science) who sent me the SKS website to refute my skeptical beliefs. This latest post really was an eye opener for me.
*from Wackapeda
Max Hugoson says: “I’d like to share this with some people who are “open to being educated”. It really would not have the proper IMPACT on them (in terms of the significance of the childishness and emotional instability of these folks) unless I give them a Curiculum Vita for the people cited.”
Mr. Hugoson, perhaps all you need to do to have the “proper impact” is to draw parallels between these communications and the leaked emails by those who do have a long Cuirulum Vita. Glad I could help.