WUWT readers surely remember this:
NASA’s Dr. James Hansen once again goes over the top. See his most recent article in the UK Guardian. Some excerpts:
“The trains carrying coal to power plants are death trains. Coal-fired power plants are factories of death.”
And this:
Clearly, if we burn all fossil fuels, we will destroy the planet we know. Carbon dioxide would increase to 500 ppm or more.
Well, Hansen’s “death trains” have taken on a crazier, even more wobbly, left spin. Physicist Gordon Fulks writes Via Lars Larson nationally syndicated radio show:
Hello Everyone,
I asked my brother, who lives near Scottsbluff, Nebraska, to send some photos of the railroad tracks used by coal trains to carry vast amounts of Wyoming coal east. The BIG SCARY issue raised by the political Left here in Oregon is no longer the theoretical ‘Global Warming’ from the burning of this coal but a much more practical concern: black coal dust from the trains polluting local communities. They have stirred up images of Oregon blighted by coal dust from trains carrying the coal down the Columbia River to export terminals in St. Helens, Oregon and other communities that can accommodate ocean going ships.
As with so many other such scares dreamed up by those who specialize in deliberate misinformation, this one has no validity. My brother notes that dust is a perpetual problem during the hot, dry, and windy summer months in the Nebraska Panhandle. But the dust is brown not black and therefore of natural origin. His photos (attached) show that the railroad tracks and overpasses themselves are remarkably clean, despite the passage of thousands of coal cars each week. This is a main route for coal trains heading east, perhaps the main route.
With such a stark contrast between what Alarmists claim and what the reality is, we have to wonder if these people are capable of any honesty at all. They are a factor in all such environmental discussions because the press (such as journalist Scott Learn at The Oregonian) gives them prominent and largely unquestioned coverage.
When I am faced with people who have lied to me, I refuse to be duped a second time. In a public hearing in California years ago I asked a very prominent attorney why we should believe what he was now saying, “since you did not tell us the truth previously.” His response was classic: “This is a different case?” The fallout from my question was dramatic. His client dropped him! In my opinion, we must hold people responsible for deliberate deceptions or those deceptions simply continue from the same people and from imitators.
Gordon J. Fulks, PhD (Physics)
Corbett, Oregon USA
Here’s the picture. See any black?
This all got started by some activists that are equating some door to door poll with science. This is what likely got them bent out of shape:
Port of St. Helens approves coal export agreements with two companies
And the reactions, from http://www.beyondtoxics.org/blog/
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Stopping coal: A renewed moral imperative
By Lisa Arkin on July 11, 2012
I want to be clear: I am not against trains (I often travel by passenger train)! I am, however, critical about using our rail system to haul coal to coastal ports and then load the coal and ship it off to Asian destinations. And justifiably so! Besides the significant safety issues posed by rail shipment of massive amounts of coal, we should consider the certainty of grave health problems we will have to address.
It is already true that health problems associated with polluted air occur in our community. Beyond Toxics has engaged with community health issues in the River Road, Trainsong and Bethel neighborhoods for many years. Recently we completed a community health survey in West Eugene. A striking pattern emerged. We found that 30% of the nearly 350 households we interviewed believe that at least one family member suffers from asthma.
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Gosh, knock on a few doors, run an uncontrolled non-scientific survey by activist friends (no control group), ask about asthma, then claim it is the moral basis for shutting down coal trains. Who could fault logic like that? /sarc.
They don’t just want some changes, they want wholesale stoppage: see Stopping Coal in Oregon
Here’s the entire basis for worry, a FAQs on the BNSF railroad company page:
Coal Dust-Frequently Asked Questions and it addressed the question, How extensive is the coal dust problem?
“Since 2005, BNSF has been at the forefront of extensive research regarding the impacts of coal dust escaping from loaded coal cars … From these studies, BNSF has determined that … The amount of coal dust that escapes from Powder River Basin coal trains is surprisingly large. …BNSF has done studies indicating that from 500 lbs to a ton of coal can escape from a single loaded coal car. Other reports have indicated that as much as 3% of the coal loaded into a coal car can be lost in transit. In many areas, a thick layer of black coal dust can be observed along the railroad right of way and in between the tracks. … large amounts of coal dust accumulate rapidly…”
She continues:
So let’s do the math. Multiplying the amount of coal projected to arrive at the Port of Coos Bay, which is 6 – 10 million tons per year, by BNSF’s suggested 3% product loss, this calculation suggests that coal trains would release as much as 300,000 tons of coal dust along its journey through Oregon. That is an immense amount of highly toxic coal dust every day of the year!
300,000 tons, all in Oregon? Gosh. Heh. She seems to miss the fact that the trains move, and that the lightest dust will be dropped from the train first, as it gains speed as air moves over the train. And, that coal dust is much much heavier than air, and settles quickly. Much of what escapes may not be dust, she cites “500 lbs to a ton of coal can escape from a single loaded coal car” but really, just how much of that is dust?
From the BNSF website, it doesn’t go far, and seems to settle right on the tracks:
It also seems to be more like pebble sized detritus, rather than “dust”.
If you look at this image from the BeyondToxics.org website, you’d think dust was a huge and widespread problem:
Source: http://www.beyondtoxics.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/CoalTrainVideoFF_CROP1-300×233.jpg
That’s a crop from this one video shot in Pennsylvania, which has become a favorite of those anti-coal activists:
But if you look at video of other coal trains from the Powder River Basin, I don’t see a repeat of that issue. Of course when it is raining (as it does a lot in the Pacific Northwest) there’s no coal dust at all.
If such dust and losses were a huge and widespread problem (even in Oregon), we should be able to see the difference via aerial photos in West Eugene where train tracks should be pitch black with the supposed 300,000 tons of coal dust/year accumulated over the years.

BTW that grey you see is roadbed for the train tracks, composed of golfball sized crushed rock. Note the nearby residences, probably where they knocked on doors.
Source: http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=44.067276,-123.12692&spn=0.01494,0.027938&t=h&z=16
But, annoyingly inconvenient for the activists, it seems the problem has been solved by BNSF, who voluntarily implemented coal dust standards in 2010 for their rail shipments. But Oregon’s BeyondToxics doesn’t tell you that.
From the very same BNSF FAQs page where they cite the coal dust loss as being a problem, there’s this:
What are the coal dust standards?
BNSF’s coal dust emission standards are contained in Items 100 and 101 of BNSF’s Coal Rules publication called Price List 6041-B. The standards require that coal cars must be loaded in conformance with a specified loading template. The new coal loading profile produces a more rounded contour of the coal in coal cars that eliminates the sharp angles and irregular surfaces that can promote the loss of coal dust when cars are in transit.
BNSF’s coal dust emission standards also provide that the amount of coal dust emitted from a train may not exceed specified levels as measured by trackside monitors (TSM) at two locations on PRB lines. One TSM is located at milepost 90.7 on the Joint Line and the other TSM is located at milepost 558.2 on BNSF’s Black Hills subdivision. A third trackside monitoring station has been constructed on the Big Horn subdivision at milepost, and will be fully operational in early 2010.
Yes, they built a coal weather station, see http://www.bnsf.com/customers/what-can-i-ship/coal/coal-dust/pdf/q4_2.pdf
It doesn’t seem to be much of a problem anymore in Wyoming at the source either. I’ve looked at dozens of coal train photos and videos out of the Powder River basin in Wyoming, and they all look pretty much like this:
Source: Highball productions Railfan video
POWDER RIVER – THE ORIN LINE
Staggering, continuous coal train action on BNSF’s Orin line in the Powder River coal basin. UP shares the line, and there is a continous parade of trains. Lots of meets, a couple of side by sides, and 8 (yes, eight) trains in one shot, and even a broken knuckle. Some nice storm light and some nice sunset shots, this is one amazingly busy place.
While Ms. Larkin ponders the lack of black on the ground in that aerial photo, and the photos of the Powder River coal trains, and the coal dust solution put in place by BNSF (and why she doesn’t report it), she can also take a minute to read this essay, which I’m repeating here:
U.S. Life Expectancy in an Era of Death Trains and Death Factories
Guest post by Indur M. Goklany
In a recent op-ed in the Guardian that WUWT commented on, James Hansen of global warming fame, argued for closing coal fired power plants asserting that “The trains carrying coal to power plants are death trains. Coal-fired power plants are factories of death.”
So what’s happened to US life expectancy as the number of coal fired death factories have multiplied and as the climate has gotten warmer?
Figure 1: Data are plotted for every ten years from 1900-1940, 1945, and each year from 1949 onward. Data sources: life expectancy from Statistical Abstract of the United States 2009, and earlier editions; coal usage from Goklany (2007) for 1900-1945, and EIA (2008) for 1949-2007; carbon dioxide emissions for 1900-2005 from Marland et al (2008).
As the above figure shows, US life expectancy at birth increased by 30.5 years, from 47.3 years to 77.8 years, between 1900 and 2005, while coal usage more than tripled. Carbon dioxide emissions in 2005 were nearly nine times the 1900 levels. And, of course, the climate has also gotten warmer (not shown). To appreciate the magnitude of this improvement in life expectancy, consider that the approximate life expectancy in pre-industrial societies varied from 25-35 years.
While the increase in life expectancy is not directly due to greater coal use or CO2 emissions, much of it was enabled in one way or another by the prosperity fueled in large part by coal and fossil fuel consumption, as I have noted in my book, The Improving State of the World: Why We’re Living Longer, Healthier, More Comfortable Lives on a Cleaner Planet. Also recalling the IPCC’s temperature trends from 1900 onward, according to my eyeball analyzer there seems to be a better correlation between life expectancy and coal use (and CO2 emissions) or their logarithms than that between temperature increase (either for the US or the world) on the one hand and, on the other hand, coal use (and CO2 emissions) or their logarithms.
It may be argued that Hansen’s comments pertain to the future, not to the past or present. But to this I would respond that the above figure is based on real data whereas Hansen’s declaration is based on some unknown projection about the future based on unknown, unvalidated and unverified models.
Giving up fossil fuel energy use and, with that, compromising the real improvements in life expectancy and other indicators of human well-being that have accompanied that energy use, would be like giving up a real bird in hand to avoid being attacked by a monster that may or may not exist in the bush, that is, a monster that may only exist in the virtual world.
This doesn’t seem like a rational trade-off.
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I just can’t get too worked up about railroad coal dust, which in my opinion, is a non-problem unless you are mining it and exposed to high levels of it constantly. Plus, it seems BNSF already solved the problem, but the activists aren’t telling you that.
As a kid, I had a coal bunker in my basement, with coal dust permeating the house at times when we’d get a new shipment. Somehow I managed to survive.
UPDATE: in comments, Les Johnson points out that coal cars are sprayed with something to prevent such dust losses. I checked this out. It seems this has been solved a long time ago, as the patent for the process goes back to 1979:
Control of dust during coal transportation
Spraying of coal in an open top hopper car with an aqueous composition containing at least about 2.5% of a binder material consisting of solid material in an aqueous suspension of an asphalt emulsion or a black liquor lignin product and containing 0.1 to 2.0% of water soluble ethoxylated alkyl phenol or sulfo succinate wetting agent results in the formation of a crust layer which provides protection against loss of coal due to wind action during rapid movement of the car.
Improvements to the patent are as recent as 2006:
http://www.google.com/patents/US4169170
Like I said, this is a non-problem, already solved. But, that one video from Pennsylvania gets a lot of folks all worked up about black lung disease I’m sure.



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Well watched the vid and it looks wrong the dust?? is mainly diesel at the start and it’s movement or lack of and the odd effect along the top of the carriages make me have big doubts about the footage and as for the door to door how do they think mentalists get there scary results, simple they ask a question that many of us go wow yes that’s right how did you know you magician!
I know many asthmatics and not one of them lives near a train track of power station !
One reason why you might not see coal dust on the road bed is because it’s cleaned up. Quote from video “The BNSF works hard at keeping the Coal Dust down as it erodes the effectiveness of the Stone roadbed.”
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1yc5cKsmd4&w=560&h=315%5D
@Louis Hooffstetter says:
July 17, 2012 at 6:19 pm
“Can’t say for sure, but the BNSF photo appears to be a picture of taconite pellets spilled from a hopper car:”
That’s what I thought when I saw the picture. As kids, we used to look for a spill so we could get pellets to use as ammo in our slingshots. Best slingshot ammo a kid could ever have!
@RACookPE1978 says:
July 17, 2012 at 11:50 pm
“[…] to impose their favored lifestyles of death and illness and starvation (of other people’s death, illness and starvation!) on the companies and people trying to produce cheap, reliable energy.”
Absolutely. The rare true practitioners of a simple lifestyle aren’t heard from because they don’t have iphones, internet and cable TV connections, cars, electricity, etc.
You can see the misanthropy oozing out of all the others that insist we all go back to hunter-gatherer status – uh, everyone else first (they are too good and too important to ‘the cause’ to give up their modern technology just now).
For the first five months of 2012, compared to the same period 2008, US consumption of
– coal is down 26.7%
– oil is down 7.2%
– natural gas is up 3.4%
Source: EIA July STEO
From clues in the video, it looks like this is the Google map location of the “scary coal train” video.
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=cassandra,+Pennsylvania&hl=en&ll=40.407798,-78.6364&spn=0.001877,0.003905&sll=48.303657,18.869902&sspn=20.48424,29.355469&hnear=Cassandra,+Cambria,+Pennsylvania&t=h&z=19
Check out the double standards in regards to coal from the Guardianista.
http://hauntingthelibrary.wordpress.com/2012/07/12/liberal-media-how-it-works-coal-is-bad-except-when-its-socialist-and-subsidised/
“Not quite so fast. Why then do business these days not employ enough people for customer service, why do you have to wait in excessive lines, why there is no-one around to help you and so on. I regularly walk out of stores that do this. But the fact that I havent bought anything for THAT reason doesnt show up in the daily accounting.”
Yes, thingadonta, it does show up in the daily accounting. Businesses (especially the large ones like McDonalds that you mention) and economists spend considerable time and money researching and monetizing the cost in lost sales versus the cost of more workers. They know that some sales are lost due to long lines at lunch time, for example, but hiring more workers for that 1 hour costs more than is lost.
And as has been shown, the coal industry and railroad industry have been studying and fixing the issue of coal dust since the 70’s, and actually they have been doing so for much further back than that. The coal industry loses money for every pound of coal that doesn’t make it to the customer, so they have come up with many ways to make sure the maximum amount reaches the end of the line. While the railroad industry realized in the 30’s that the coal dust (grain and sand shipments can also cause the same issues) could clog the ballast stone base that the rails rest on preventing drainage and causing the ties to rot, along with other problems. So preventing the dust saves them millions of dollars in repair costs and in downtime of the tracks during the repairs.
We have to admit, there is coal dust on the tracks and on the rolling stock. We don’t need a fake video to convince us that it is true. It is enough to swipe your finger on any surface — it can be a passenger rail car or a nearby wall — to see that the stuff it picks up is black. Carbon black. Because all railroads transport some amounts of coal and almost all have diesel engines running on them, the carbon on the tip of your finger is probably a combination of coal dust and soot.
You can also do the same test in a city street or anywhere there is heavy traffic, and the result will be the same. However, if you look at the ground level, where most of the dust settles, you will see that the principal component there is rust. There is a reason railroads are called “chemins de fer”. In the vicinity of the tracks, iron swamps carbon. A cool suggestion for activists: ban iron.
Asthma, as Nerd noted, is an immune disease, although assertions about its connection to vitamin D are heavy on the use of modal verbs. May be.
I have bad news for those who want to pull asthma into this. The only really well understood cause of asthma is cleanliness. A child lacking exposure to infections and parasites (in particular, helminths) when he grows up is almost guarantied to develop the symptoms of asthma in his teens.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helminthic_therapy
“Here’s the picture. See any black?”
There appears to be a haze of diesel smoke coming from both locomotives (hardly surprising considering the weight they’re pulling), but that’s all. If this coal is being exported to Asia, the chances are it will be burned with far less regard to the environment than would be the case if it stayed in the US and fuelled tightly regulated power stations there…
Hanssen is absolutely right, he is a hero! But his “recent” article is from 2009, WUWT is an absolute scam!
Gitte G. says:
July 17, 2012 at 4:00 pm
As a german i’m disturbed by the name “death train”, as the literal translation “Todeszug” is used for the trains to Auschwitz and other death camps at the end of WW2. Is the use of the words “death train” an intented comparison from Mr. Hansen to the trains bringing hundreds of thousands jews to their gasification or is this just a coincidence and the words “death Train” just have a different meaning?
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Gitte, no its entirely intentional of Hansen to associate the two..just as calling anyone who has a brain and refuses the warmist alarmism to be a “Denier” with the holocaust associations as well.,
you can influence some of the sheeple rather well via Implications cos theyre too thick to look for the facts
Coal trains passed within 100 yards of my back yard daily, and I never noticed any coal dust whatsoever. It would be noticeable if it were present because you’d have to clean it constantly. You’d also readilly notice the black dust on the snow. It looks like BN&SF put their own heads in the noose on this one. What was the point in publishing those speculative figures on coal loss? Were they trying to write off the losses?
http://chronicle.com/article/U-of-Oregon-Settles-Tenure/6843/
I know for my epidemiological needs the first place I look to is an ex Professor of Dance, who sued her way out of her original gig.
I agree that Hansen is ratcheting up the holocaust connection and should be called on the carpet for it. That his supers give him such a long unsupervised advocacy leash is beyond me. And in my opinion is worse than winking at hooker parties and hot tub conventions.
As someone who works a lot with particles suspended in the air I can say that if you can see the particles, they are not going to affect your health much at all (other than the need to pick your nose). That video, even if it is real, shows a cloud of large particles that would be screened out by the mucous/hair systems of standers-by. They would not get far enough into the lungs to ‘create asthma’. If those were real particles, they were large – PM10 and more. They fall the the ground rapidly again indicating they are large. It is the very small particles which have the serious health consequences, <PM0.1 down to PM0.01. We only see visible light and none of those potentially-dangerous particles are visible, even in large quantity.
I agree the term 'death trains' is a direct reference to Death Camps and was a deliberate ploy to pin a yellow star the sleeves of every human being as doomed by coal combustion.
Coal is mostly carbon. Not a dangerous substance, unless exposure is extremely high. Silicon is much worse, so we better ban all those sandlots in children’s playgrounds. /sarc
It’s hard to believe these “issues” are even discussed.
Wagathon says:
July 17, 2012 at 8:26 pm
How much is the nihilism of Western academia costing society?
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If they have their way it will cost us our entire civilization.
The views of Obama’s Science Czar, John Holdren and his buddies the Ehrlichs
Why is it that every “Redistribution of wealth” always turns out to be a transfer of wealth from the middle class to the pockets of the wealthy?
In all cases where the government is involved it is stealing from Paul to pay Peter to vote for me while my buddy Bill the Bankster skims X% for lending the government the money for the newest scheme and my buddy Maurice the businessman cashes in on insider trading, my buddy Ronald cashes in on government guarantee loans and my other buddy Dwayne’s company makes record breaking profits thanks to laws mandating purchase of his product as well as government subsidies
So whats not to like?
What will actually cause tens of thousands of deaths in the UK is if we DON’T replace our aging power stations STAT. Our windmills won’t heat our houses, let alone power our industry and we shut all our mines down years ago, despite having reserves of 1000 years below our earth. The Greens are still trying to frustrate fracking, wave power isn’t yet commercial and solar would only satisfy domestic use. We need an interim solution of another round of power stations, be that gas, coal or nuclear.
I’d really like James Hansen to be one of those dying if we hit 1000 deaths in 2025 because we can’t heat ourselves any more.
Hydrocarbon fuels are found in solid, liquid and gaseous forms. Solid fuels like coal are the easiest to transport safely. Next easiest are liquid fuels. Gaseous fuels are the most difficult to contain and transport, and are also the most dangerous. When was the last time you heard of a coal train blowing-up as it passed through a neighborhood?
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nothingtocareabout says:
July 18, 2012 at 12:21 am
Boy, those locomotives, aren´t they just beautiful and impressive !? Pure blessings for the modern civilisation.
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I agree, the modern locos are the epitome of efficient land transportation. Rubber-wheeled trucks are crude/inefficient by comparison (but they get subsidized by government road funds).
Working at a coal-fired power plant with the main Norfolk & Southern tracks beside it, I rarely did see dust coming off the loaded trains when I first started. One of the older engineers said coal dust along the tracks had been an issue, but N&S had started spraying the top of the coal with, IIRC, a fine emulsion of water/mineral oil. But only when necessary — when the coal was particularly dry or fine. Occasionally they’d “miss” a train or two, but as time went on they got it right & the dust would never be seen.
Like others have remarked, the “evidence” is the trackbed. One really couldn’t see any blackness in the crushed-limestone bed. If there was some coal dust there, the amount was negligible.
A more concerning problem was coal spillage out of poor-fitting hopper doors (and even holes in the car-sides, which were often plugged during loading by straw!), but eventually most of the oldest coal-cars had been replaced by newer, better rolling stock, most of them aluminum-sided instead of steel.
lol.
The four horse men of the apocalypse have been struggling to keep up since we invented mechanized transport and burning coal to generate electricity. That’s one reason why there are now more than seven billion of us.
obzerver @ur momisugly 5:20 am 7/18
the reference is to the original post back in 2009
try observing a little more and you might find the scam absolutely!
We used to have a cement kiln in my home town, so I know if those trains were leaking dust in the amounts suggested, it would be brutally obvious.
How long will these people be able to get away with just making stuff up ? I grew up near a coal producing area and know all about coal trains – there was no dust along the tracks , at least not enough to notice . About the only time coal dust could be an issue would be during the loading and unloading processes , not during transit .
@Gitte G.:
Time for the powers of reason and deduction that you apply to climate science to catch up with your understanding of history.