WUWT readers surely remember this:
NASA’s Dr. James Hansen once again goes over the top. See his most recent article in the UK Guardian. Some excerpts:
“The trains carrying coal to power plants are death trains. Coal-fired power plants are factories of death.”
And this:
Clearly, if we burn all fossil fuels, we will destroy the planet we know. Carbon dioxide would increase to 500 ppm or more.
Well, Hansen’s “death trains” have taken on a crazier, even more wobbly, left spin. Physicist Gordon Fulks writes Via Lars Larson nationally syndicated radio show:
Hello Everyone,
I asked my brother, who lives near Scottsbluff, Nebraska, to send some photos of the railroad tracks used by coal trains to carry vast amounts of Wyoming coal east. The BIG SCARY issue raised by the political Left here in Oregon is no longer the theoretical ‘Global Warming’ from the burning of this coal but a much more practical concern: black coal dust from the trains polluting local communities. They have stirred up images of Oregon blighted by coal dust from trains carrying the coal down the Columbia River to export terminals in St. Helens, Oregon and other communities that can accommodate ocean going ships.
As with so many other such scares dreamed up by those who specialize in deliberate misinformation, this one has no validity. My brother notes that dust is a perpetual problem during the hot, dry, and windy summer months in the Nebraska Panhandle. But the dust is brown not black and therefore of natural origin. His photos (attached) show that the railroad tracks and overpasses themselves are remarkably clean, despite the passage of thousands of coal cars each week. This is a main route for coal trains heading east, perhaps the main route.
With such a stark contrast between what Alarmists claim and what the reality is, we have to wonder if these people are capable of any honesty at all. They are a factor in all such environmental discussions because the press (such as journalist Scott Learn at The Oregonian) gives them prominent and largely unquestioned coverage.
When I am faced with people who have lied to me, I refuse to be duped a second time. In a public hearing in California years ago I asked a very prominent attorney why we should believe what he was now saying, “since you did not tell us the truth previously.” His response was classic: “This is a different case?” The fallout from my question was dramatic. His client dropped him! In my opinion, we must hold people responsible for deliberate deceptions or those deceptions simply continue from the same people and from imitators.
Gordon J. Fulks, PhD (Physics)
Corbett, Oregon USA
Here’s the picture. See any black?
This all got started by some activists that are equating some door to door poll with science. This is what likely got them bent out of shape:
Port of St. Helens approves coal export agreements with two companies
And the reactions, from http://www.beyondtoxics.org/blog/
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Stopping coal: A renewed moral imperative
By Lisa Arkin on July 11, 2012
I want to be clear: I am not against trains (I often travel by passenger train)! I am, however, critical about using our rail system to haul coal to coastal ports and then load the coal and ship it off to Asian destinations. And justifiably so! Besides the significant safety issues posed by rail shipment of massive amounts of coal, we should consider the certainty of grave health problems we will have to address.
It is already true that health problems associated with polluted air occur in our community. Beyond Toxics has engaged with community health issues in the River Road, Trainsong and Bethel neighborhoods for many years. Recently we completed a community health survey in West Eugene. A striking pattern emerged. We found that 30% of the nearly 350 households we interviewed believe that at least one family member suffers from asthma.
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Gosh, knock on a few doors, run an uncontrolled non-scientific survey by activist friends (no control group), ask about asthma, then claim it is the moral basis for shutting down coal trains. Who could fault logic like that? /sarc.
They don’t just want some changes, they want wholesale stoppage: see Stopping Coal in Oregon
Here’s the entire basis for worry, a FAQs on the BNSF railroad company page:
Coal Dust-Frequently Asked Questions and it addressed the question, How extensive is the coal dust problem?
“Since 2005, BNSF has been at the forefront of extensive research regarding the impacts of coal dust escaping from loaded coal cars … From these studies, BNSF has determined that … The amount of coal dust that escapes from Powder River Basin coal trains is surprisingly large. …BNSF has done studies indicating that from 500 lbs to a ton of coal can escape from a single loaded coal car. Other reports have indicated that as much as 3% of the coal loaded into a coal car can be lost in transit. In many areas, a thick layer of black coal dust can be observed along the railroad right of way and in between the tracks. … large amounts of coal dust accumulate rapidly…”
She continues:
So let’s do the math. Multiplying the amount of coal projected to arrive at the Port of Coos Bay, which is 6 – 10 million tons per year, by BNSF’s suggested 3% product loss, this calculation suggests that coal trains would release as much as 300,000 tons of coal dust along its journey through Oregon. That is an immense amount of highly toxic coal dust every day of the year!
300,000 tons, all in Oregon? Gosh. Heh. She seems to miss the fact that the trains move, and that the lightest dust will be dropped from the train first, as it gains speed as air moves over the train. And, that coal dust is much much heavier than air, and settles quickly. Much of what escapes may not be dust, she cites “500 lbs to a ton of coal can escape from a single loaded coal car” but really, just how much of that is dust?
From the BNSF website, it doesn’t go far, and seems to settle right on the tracks:
It also seems to be more like pebble sized detritus, rather than “dust”.
If you look at this image from the BeyondToxics.org website, you’d think dust was a huge and widespread problem:
Source: http://www.beyondtoxics.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/CoalTrainVideoFF_CROP1-300×233.jpg
That’s a crop from this one video shot in Pennsylvania, which has become a favorite of those anti-coal activists:
But if you look at video of other coal trains from the Powder River Basin, I don’t see a repeat of that issue. Of course when it is raining (as it does a lot in the Pacific Northwest) there’s no coal dust at all.
If such dust and losses were a huge and widespread problem (even in Oregon), we should be able to see the difference via aerial photos in West Eugene where train tracks should be pitch black with the supposed 300,000 tons of coal dust/year accumulated over the years.

BTW that grey you see is roadbed for the train tracks, composed of golfball sized crushed rock. Note the nearby residences, probably where they knocked on doors.
Source: http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=44.067276,-123.12692&spn=0.01494,0.027938&t=h&z=16
But, annoyingly inconvenient for the activists, it seems the problem has been solved by BNSF, who voluntarily implemented coal dust standards in 2010 for their rail shipments. But Oregon’s BeyondToxics doesn’t tell you that.
From the very same BNSF FAQs page where they cite the coal dust loss as being a problem, there’s this:
What are the coal dust standards?
BNSF’s coal dust emission standards are contained in Items 100 and 101 of BNSF’s Coal Rules publication called Price List 6041-B. The standards require that coal cars must be loaded in conformance with a specified loading template. The new coal loading profile produces a more rounded contour of the coal in coal cars that eliminates the sharp angles and irregular surfaces that can promote the loss of coal dust when cars are in transit.
BNSF’s coal dust emission standards also provide that the amount of coal dust emitted from a train may not exceed specified levels as measured by trackside monitors (TSM) at two locations on PRB lines. One TSM is located at milepost 90.7 on the Joint Line and the other TSM is located at milepost 558.2 on BNSF’s Black Hills subdivision. A third trackside monitoring station has been constructed on the Big Horn subdivision at milepost, and will be fully operational in early 2010.
Yes, they built a coal weather station, see http://www.bnsf.com/customers/what-can-i-ship/coal/coal-dust/pdf/q4_2.pdf
It doesn’t seem to be much of a problem anymore in Wyoming at the source either. I’ve looked at dozens of coal train photos and videos out of the Powder River basin in Wyoming, and they all look pretty much like this:
Source: Highball productions Railfan video
POWDER RIVER – THE ORIN LINE
Staggering, continuous coal train action on BNSF’s Orin line in the Powder River coal basin. UP shares the line, and there is a continous parade of trains. Lots of meets, a couple of side by sides, and 8 (yes, eight) trains in one shot, and even a broken knuckle. Some nice storm light and some nice sunset shots, this is one amazingly busy place.
While Ms. Larkin ponders the lack of black on the ground in that aerial photo, and the photos of the Powder River coal trains, and the coal dust solution put in place by BNSF (and why she doesn’t report it), she can also take a minute to read this essay, which I’m repeating here:
U.S. Life Expectancy in an Era of Death Trains and Death Factories
Guest post by Indur M. Goklany
In a recent op-ed in the Guardian that WUWT commented on, James Hansen of global warming fame, argued for closing coal fired power plants asserting that “The trains carrying coal to power plants are death trains. Coal-fired power plants are factories of death.”
So what’s happened to US life expectancy as the number of coal fired death factories have multiplied and as the climate has gotten warmer?
Figure 1: Data are plotted for every ten years from 1900-1940, 1945, and each year from 1949 onward. Data sources: life expectancy from Statistical Abstract of the United States 2009, and earlier editions; coal usage from Goklany (2007) for 1900-1945, and EIA (2008) for 1949-2007; carbon dioxide emissions for 1900-2005 from Marland et al (2008).
As the above figure shows, US life expectancy at birth increased by 30.5 years, from 47.3 years to 77.8 years, between 1900 and 2005, while coal usage more than tripled. Carbon dioxide emissions in 2005 were nearly nine times the 1900 levels. And, of course, the climate has also gotten warmer (not shown). To appreciate the magnitude of this improvement in life expectancy, consider that the approximate life expectancy in pre-industrial societies varied from 25-35 years.
While the increase in life expectancy is not directly due to greater coal use or CO2 emissions, much of it was enabled in one way or another by the prosperity fueled in large part by coal and fossil fuel consumption, as I have noted in my book, The Improving State of the World: Why We’re Living Longer, Healthier, More Comfortable Lives on a Cleaner Planet. Also recalling the IPCC’s temperature trends from 1900 onward, according to my eyeball analyzer there seems to be a better correlation between life expectancy and coal use (and CO2 emissions) or their logarithms than that between temperature increase (either for the US or the world) on the one hand and, on the other hand, coal use (and CO2 emissions) or their logarithms.
It may be argued that Hansen’s comments pertain to the future, not to the past or present. But to this I would respond that the above figure is based on real data whereas Hansen’s declaration is based on some unknown projection about the future based on unknown, unvalidated and unverified models.
Giving up fossil fuel energy use and, with that, compromising the real improvements in life expectancy and other indicators of human well-being that have accompanied that energy use, would be like giving up a real bird in hand to avoid being attacked by a monster that may or may not exist in the bush, that is, a monster that may only exist in the virtual world.
This doesn’t seem like a rational trade-off.
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I just can’t get too worked up about railroad coal dust, which in my opinion, is a non-problem unless you are mining it and exposed to high levels of it constantly. Plus, it seems BNSF already solved the problem, but the activists aren’t telling you that.
As a kid, I had a coal bunker in my basement, with coal dust permeating the house at times when we’d get a new shipment. Somehow I managed to survive.
UPDATE: in comments, Les Johnson points out that coal cars are sprayed with something to prevent such dust losses. I checked this out. It seems this has been solved a long time ago, as the patent for the process goes back to 1979:
Control of dust during coal transportation
Spraying of coal in an open top hopper car with an aqueous composition containing at least about 2.5% of a binder material consisting of solid material in an aqueous suspension of an asphalt emulsion or a black liquor lignin product and containing 0.1 to 2.0% of water soluble ethoxylated alkyl phenol or sulfo succinate wetting agent results in the formation of a crust layer which provides protection against loss of coal due to wind action during rapid movement of the car.
Improvements to the patent are as recent as 2006:
http://www.google.com/patents/US4169170
Like I said, this is a non-problem, already solved. But, that one video from Pennsylvania gets a lot of folks all worked up about black lung disease I’m sure.



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Life expectancy INCREASES with higher electricity generation using coal.
The classic evidence for coal and longevity is shown by China’s economic growth. China increased coal use by 545% in the last 30 years from 678.5 million tons in 1980 to 3,695 million tons in 2010.
During that period, the World Bank reports life expectancy in China rose 5.28 years from 66.99 years to 73.27 years.
Gitte G. asks
Sadly this is NOT a coincidence. Hansen is explicitly using rhetorical tools and the logical fallacy of appealing to emotion to bolster his argument. He seeks to emotionally connect coal trains to images and cultural history of the killing of Jews during the Holocaust. See photographs at the Holocaust Museum on “death trains”.
For visual impact, see the Morning Train on Schindler’s List.
Hansen’s models are being shown to be scientifically false. At Die kalte Sonne website , Professor Fritz Vahrenholt and Dr. Sebastian Lüning showed Hansen’s 1988 forecast was 150% too high compared to actual 2011 data. Hansen is losing the scientific arguments and descends to these tactics. Hansen’s tactics are abhorrent and are destroying the foundations of science which requires independently validated models based on objective evidence.
Let us rebuild the foundations of science. Require validated models based on transparent objective evidence.
How can NASA continue to employ this man? He makes NASA a world wide joke.
In Western Canada there are mountains of coal being shipped by rail and I have never seen “dust” from trains. I have ridden a horse along the North Platte River from Kansas to Wyoming and beyond and watched hundreds of coal trains and crossed the tracks countless times and never seen any “dust”.
Sometimes you see particles (usually a spill) but not “dust”.
When will Hansen realize he is doing the whole environmental movement a disservice? One of the first things a lawyer will tell you before going to trial is to never exaggerate as it will destroy your credibility. So, does anyone believe Hansen has any credibility left?
Further, because of him, I give anything from NASA less credence and only believe what they say if it is confirmed from other sources. From my perspective, Hansen has totally destroyed NASA’s credibility and their lack of action with dealing with him makes them less and less credible.
thingadonta wrote
“The same goes for leakage during fracking and so on. … I really don’t think market forces address this kind of thing.”
Regulation has an important role to play thingadonta but MostlyHarmless is correct when he says:
“No-one in their right mind throws money away through leaks or wastage. Waste reduction is top priority in every industry.”
Filling stations are a lot less smelly places than they used to be. This is because most oil companies have installed “vapour recovery” systems to their pumps which are basically additional tubes leading back to the underground storage tanks that suck the petrol fume-laden air from around the nozzle. This recovers some petrol that would otherwise be lost.
There are environmental benefits -less complaints from neighbours about petrol fumes. But the driving force behind the installation of these systems was economic and the big oil companies did so long before they were required to by law.
example background info
http://www.ukpia.com/industry_issues/air-quality-climate-environment/vapour-recovery.aspx
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KLA wrote:
“Another example is Chernobyl.”
Your alcohol example is one of the best I’ve read to counter chemical-alarmism. Some do it by listing all the toxins that exist in nature including in foodstuffs but it is best to use something people are familiar with.
For radiation one of the best examples to use is the “banana equivalent dose”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_equivalent_dose
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/02/16/going-bananas-over-radiation/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15288975
Images, metaphors, analogy etc. are really the crux of this article. BeyondToxics.org use an image of coal dust being blown from railcars to make their spurious point and Hansen uses the mental image of the Holocaust “death trains” to make his.
Finding the right metaphor or example to argue your case is important and it is why beer and bananas can have a role to play in arguing against enviro-alarmists.
in australia, where our govt pretends we are going to shut down the coal industry because of CAGW, ABC spins the good news for our economy which has been protected from the worst of the GFC, due to our booming mining industry:
18 July: ABC: Michael Janda: BHP production rise disappoints investors
BHP Billiton has recorded record annual iron ore production for the 12th year in a row.
The record comes after the mining company posted a 15 per cent jump in its fourth quarter iron ore output as it expands its operations in the West Australian Pilbara region.
It produced 40.9 million metric tonnes in the three months to the end of June compared with 35.5 million tonnes a year earlier.
MineLife’s senior resource analyst Gavin Wendt says it seems like the major miners are still able to sell iron ore as fast as they can dig it up.
“So far, demand for iron ore has held up particularly well, especially in China,” he told the ABC’s The World Today program…
(EIGHT PARAS LATER, THE SECOND LAST PARA READS)
Investors appear disappointed with BHP’s report, pushing its shares down 0.8 per cent to $30.55…
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-18/bhp-production-rises/4138154?section=wa
When it was first proposed to export tractors and other farm vehicles to Africa, the environmentalists went mad about the pollution. What they really meant of course, was that people in Africa were already too many, too poor and too black for their tastes, and modern agricultural methods would increase their distress. I suspect a variant of that is behind the arguments against exporting coal to Asia. Remember – eugenics originated from the Left, and always finds its way home.
In my college days in Virginia there were students who would walk the tracks and pick up coal to burn in their stoves. Let some of that coal roll off please.
Recently I stood in the Golden Spike Train Observation Tower high above the Railway Yards at North Platte, Nebraska and marvelled at the 100-car trains carrying 100 tons of coal in each car thundered through about every ten minutes. There was absolutely no loose coal dust in evidence anywhere at all. Hansen’s coal dust may be a figment of Photoshop.
It was gratifying to see all this Pre-Packaged CO2 being delivered for conversion to food for eager vegetation and plants waiting everywhere around the World.
How much is the nihilism of Western academia costing society?
I have said the following here and elsewhere many times: Since 1900, where have the billions (and billions and billions!!!) pounds of rubber and asphalt dust gone? The short, simple answer is anywhere and everywhere!
ntesdorf says:
July 17, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Recently I stood in the Golden Spike Train Observation Tower high above the Railway Yards at North Platte, Nebraska and marvelled at the 100-car trains carrying 100 tons of coal in each car thundered through about every ten minutes. There was absolutely no loose coal dust in evidence anywhere at all. Hansen’s coal dust may be a figment of Photoshop.
It was gratifying to see all this Pre-Packaged CO2 being delivered for conversion to food for eager vegetation and plants waiting everywhere around the World.
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Lol, yeh, but it has to wait a bit longer now. With recent EPA decisions, more and more of that coal isn’t destined to some place in the U.S. Much of it is now going to Europe!
Isn’t that the most fantastically stupid thing one has ever heard? But it’s true! Green energy policies have combined for us to expend more CO2 and yet make both places poorer. Because Europe went full bore towards green stupidity, they realized that they must have traditional energy sources. But, they shut down all of their stuff. So, they’re importing coal now. The U.S. used to never export much coal. We used it ourselves. But, now, because of people like Hansen we don’t need as much anymore. So, we’re now in the coal export business. We’ve increased our exports to Europe by about 40 million short tons a year since about 2006.
The end result, of course, is that much more CO2 will be emitted via the coal, train and shipping transport than would have ever otherwise occurred. In the mean time, the places in the U.S. where coal transport was a short distance, we lost 2¢ /kWh production of electricity. And Europe gets to pay a lot more than that just to burn the coal we would have otherwise burnt. Well played econuts, you may get the global economic destruction and poverty you’ve wished for after all, well played.
http://suyts.wordpress.com/2012/07/13/energiewende-a-fantastically-silly-global-phenomena/
The trains carrying coal to power plants are death trains. Coal-fired power plants are factories of death. When I testified against the proposed Kingsnorth power plant, I estimated that in its lifetime it would be responsible for the extermination of about 400 species – its proportionate contribution to the number that would be committed to extinction if carbon dioxide rose another 100 ppm.
Many comments talk about coal dust or the lack thereof. But I am not convinced that this is what Hansen has in mind. I could be wrong, but I think he is talking about the power plants that cause the CO2 to rise and it is this rise in CO2 that he is allegedly concerned about, not the dust along the tracks.
I’m with you; and why isn’t the rock all dark-colored if this is REAL and and re-occurs day after day, week after week?
‘Dust’ doesn’t rise like they show off on the right side either, SMOKE does (literally: heated air with embedded smoke/smoke particulates) so we have an (video) artist’s rendition …
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If anybody believes this “death dust” story – I’ve got a bridge you can buy….
Note: Another ‘coal train’ (same youtube channel), and where is all the dust (that _is_ a coal train up to the 1:16 point)?
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Last Tuesday we had the hottest day in Alberta in many a year, 6 power stations went down leading to rotating blackouts. When they reported the reasons one was that of the 938MW of wind power capacity they have, only 6MW was being produced. Go figure.
It would appear that the Youtuber with the video in the lead post (coal dust express) in this thread is a fan of special effects; here is another of his productions titled as follows:
“Passing Trains and Computerized Effects”
Note at the 3:41 point where he has various vehicles/cars ‘crossing’ in front of or into trains.
And at the 1:12 point in this video I still don’t know how he pulled off this bit of video trickery; the train whistle should have been deafening at that distance:
(Notice also the shadow of the one train on the other as they pass.)
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The only way that dust would be real would be from empty cars that hadn’t been wetted. (So pass a regulation to wet them.) And the dust would soon have all blown out.
“Death trains”. Yet another Holocause reference.
Surely no one would dare to DENY the DEATH TRAINS.
Werner Brozek says:
July 17, 2012 at 8:46 pm (Replying to Hansen’s quote)
“The trains carrying coal to power plants are death trains. Coal-fired power plants are factories of death. When I testified against the proposed Kingsnorth power plant, I estimated that in its lifetime it would be responsible for the extermination of about 400 species – its proportionate contribution to the number that would be committed to extinction if carbon dioxide rose another 100 ppm.”
Many comments talk about coal dust or the lack thereof. But I am not convinced that this is what Hansen has in mind. I could be wrong, but I think he is talking about the power plants that cause the CO2 to rise and it is this rise in CO2 that he is allegedly concerned about, not the dust along the tracks.
Yes, you are correct.
What the eco-extremists in Oregon are doing is continuing Hansen’s assault on coal and CO2 production (via his assault on energy production in specific, and human lives, health and well-being in total) by trying to create a “deadly” coal-dust image in the minds of their audience (the politicians of far west Oregon) to impose their favored lifestyles of death and illness and starvation (of other people’s death, illness and starvation!) on the companies and people trying to produce cheap, reliable energy.
Boy, those locomotives, aren´t they just beautiful and impressive !? Pure blessings for the modern civilisation.
Some overbalanced environmentalists might want to volunteer to have all carbon extracted from their bodies. That would be a healthy decision, would not it?
thingadonta says:
July 17, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Re large sizes.
In the UK this is a well known supplier.
http://www.jacamo.co.uk/shop/home
and this was used by a former colleague
http://www.walktall.co.uk/
Mods apologies if this is against house rules.
Hansen says: “A year ago, I wrote to Gordon Brown asking him to place a moratorium on new coal-fired power plants in Britain. I have asked the same of Angela Merkel, Barack Obama, Kevin Rudd and other leaders.”
I wonder, did he make the same request of the government of the PRC? And what answer did they give him?
Helper, Utah is the place where the coal trains are coupled up for their trip west through the Book Cliff formation,a twisty steep track built many years ago for the smaller steam trains. Trains there are made up of a minimum of two locos, 50+ odd trucks, two locos, 50+ odd trucks and two final locos. I asked at the local museum why such a number of locos and was told that due to the steep gradient the normal 4 locos would not cope also the couplings would not cope with more than about 50 trucks on those gradients. Sometimes up to 8 locos were used. Trucks weigh in at 47 tons and carry 100 tons. You do the math but quite a heavy load of coal and an impressive sight in transit.
Long live the coal trains, they keep America working!