Hilarity from 350.org, they are following Mooney’s rant: time to act is now right now.
I guess they’ll be known as Mooneys now. Expect weepy Bill McKibben to give a melting oratory.
Giant Ice Sculpture On National Mall to Symbolize the Melting Away of Climate Denialism
WASHINGTON–On Saturday morning, 350.org will unveil a giant sculpture on the National Mall—the word “HOAX?” carved in ice. Given the forecast for highs in the 100s, it will not last long, but organizers say that is the point: it will disappear like the arguments have from climate deniers.
For years, scientists have predicted that increased concentrations of CO2 and other greenhouse gases would lead to more intense heat waves, increased drought, massive wildfires, and more powerful storms. In June, 3,215 daily high temperature records were set; and so far this year, more than 2.1 million acres have burned in wildfires. Today was the 9th straight day in the nation’s capital that has met or exceeded 95 degrees.
News accounts estimated that half of the incoming Republican House class in 2010 denied the existence of man-made climate change. In 2010, Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK) mocked climate activist with an igloo display not far from the ice sculpture that will be unveiled tomorrow. Recent events–as well as the findings of every major scientific academy in the world–disprove the viewpoint of climate deniers in Congress.
WHAT: A 6-by-12 foot ice sculpture spelling out “HOAX?,” with the Capitol Dome in the background.
WHERE: East side of 3rd St NW, by the Capitol Reflecting Pool.
WHEN: 11AM Saturday, until the sculpture melts. (Set up time is from 10-11am)
WHO: 350.org is displaying the installation. 350.org policy director Jason Kowalski will be availalble to answer questions and do interviews.
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Photos will be available shortly after the unveiling at www.flickr.com/350org
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Let’s see, a 6×12 foot ice sculpture….that’s a lot of ice. Care to take bets on how long it will last? I’m thinking at least until sunset. Forecast for Washington DC tomorrow says:
High 106° Low 84° – this isn’t much different than Dr. Jim Hansen picking a hot Washington day in June 1988 to disable the air conditioning while he addressed the Senate over his global warming concerns. Props…gotta have props.
Dr. James Hansen is getting ready to testify before the Senate on what he thinks is a serious problem, global warming. The sponsor for Dr. Hansen? Senator Tim Wirth.
Dr. James Hansen testifies on global warming, June 1988
If any of you have ever been in Washington DC during the summertime, you’ll be able to relate to this. Senator Timothy Wirth made sure that room was “steamy”. This transcript excerpt is from PBS series Frontline which aired a special in April 2007.
So it goes without saying, that if the case Dr. Hansen was to make before the Senate was so strong, why did Senator Wirth need to make use of cheap stage tricks?
Here he admits his stagecraft in his own words:
TIMOTHY WIRTH: We called the Weather Bureau and found out what historically was the hottest day of the summer. Well, it was June 6th or June 9th or whatever it was. So we scheduled the hearing that day, and bingo, it was the hottest day on record in Washington, or close to it.
DEBORAH AMOS: [on camera] Did you also alter the temperature in the hearing room that day?
TIMOTHY WIRTH: What we did is that we went in the night before and opened all the windows, I will admit, right, so that the air conditioning wasn’t working inside the room. And so when the- when the hearing occurred, there was not only bliss, which is television cameras and double figures, but it was really hot.[Shot of witnesses at hearing]
Watch the Frontline video:
UPDATE: Joe Bastardi suggests this graphic is relevant to Hansen’s 1988 testimony to illustrate how warming has stalled:
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The all-time high for DC is 106F, set in July 1930. I wonder what CO2 levels were then?
Think of all the beer they could chill. What a waste.
I’m up for covertly moving some air conditioners and industrial refrigerators underneath where the sculpture is going to be placed…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2093264/Forget-global-warming–Cycle-25-need-worry-NASA-scientists-right-Thames-freezing-again.html
Ice sculpture in the middle of UHI melts. Submit you paper.
Dear Septical,
I’ve just watched a video on Youtube featuring Senator Tim Wirth where he admits in his own words to arranging for Hansen’s testimony to be heard on a hot day and also ensuring that the AC would not be effective by leaving the windows open all night.
I know Warmists rely on heavily on self deception in order to maintain the Faith but in this case… which part of the evidence of your own eyes and ears do you not believe?
I suspect you maybe have a fetish ‘with’ Global Warming?
Just a small point but how or where did they get the power for the freezer to make the ice?
Just wondering………..
I hope it was wonderful green electricity not that nasty dirty black stuff that comes from coal…………..
ERR how do you tell the colour of electricity?
It always seems to be bright white/blue flashes to me.
James Bull
Had me going for a moment
http://moonies.com/
Maybe HOPE was a better idea, or CHANGE
For the life of me, Wirth’s smug anecdote combined with Hansen’s twitchy monologues is enough to creep me out for days. How these two simply get away with it is beyond me.
Put a keg of beer right under it.. with the sign.. THANKS GUYS !!!
“Could someone blow up a picture of, say, the UAH temperature record since 1998”
With 350.org’s past form (exploding kids) you should be careful how you word your comments!
kim2ooo says:July 6, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Gunga Din says:
July 6, 2012 at 3:18 pm
That picture of Hansen. He looks just like an actor who’s name I can’t think of.
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Homer Simpson?
Once I made that connection a few years ago, I could not get it out of my head.
http://i43.tinypic.com/somq83.jpg
Dear Charles Elson
Mr. Watts clearly says Dr. Hansen picked the day of the hearing and shut off the AC which is what I was commenting about. As you state, the video you watched clearly contradicts this as Sen. Wirth clearly takes credit himself. This would seem to be yet another incident where claims made are unsupported by sources provided but yet you bought into the claim without question.
Greg House says: Moderate warmism based on belief in the radical warmists’ (unproven) claims with a small exception about the consequences is in fact a very weak position, because the opposite claims like “but it is not dangerous” can hardly improve the situation.
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Greg: Thank you for responding to my comment. Can you point me to information on the controversy re the doubling of C02 causing a 1C temp rise? I’m only an amateur but very keen to keep up with this. Cheers.
According to the 350.org web sit, the D.C. event was cancelled this morning.
KimG says:
July 7, 2012 at 6:45 am
“According to the 350.org web sit, the D.C. event was cancelled this morning.”
Thanks, KimG. I went to 350.org and they didn’t cancel because of the heat. (There goes my theory that someone had two brain cells to clang together.) They cancelled because they might hurt someone’s feelings – in West Virginia, or maybe it was to protect ickle birdies; I’m not clear on that.
Anyway, I’d recommend a visit to read the cancellation notice and comments. It’s pretty much a fact-free site so there’s no danger there. BTW, I still can’t figure out just exactly who is a ‘climate denier.’ I’m still waiting to run across that first person to claim, “There is no climate.”
sceptical says:
July 7, 2012 at 5:30 am
Dear Charles Elson
Mr. Watts clearly says Dr. Hansen picked the day of the hearing and shut off the AC which is what I was commenting about. As you state, the video you watched clearly contradicts this as Sen. Wirth clearly takes credit himself. This would seem to be yet another incident where claims made are unsupported by sources provided but yet you bought into the claim without question.
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“Dr. James Hansen is getting ready to testify before the Senate on what he thinks is a serious problem, global warming. The sponsor for Dr. Hansen? Senator Tim Wirth……..
TIMOTHY WIRTH: We called the Weather Bureau ……….. So we scheduled the hearing that day, …….. What we did is that we went in the night ………..”
Perhaps the good senator was using the the royal “we”?
It’s the shocking truth, ice melts when it gets warm.
/snark
“According to the 350.org web sit, the D.C. event was cancelled this morning.”
Apparently, there was not enough wind for the windmills to keep the ice frozen.
ha haaaa too bad, they’ve cancelled the melting event…… Bill McKibben says it’s because after feedback from some fellow activists he realized the melting ice could make people sweltering in the heat feel “disrespected”…..
Let’s get past the activist psycho-babble and say: These fanatics suddenly realized the myriad ways in which this event could backfire on them, big-time.
Hope we didn’t tip them off too much on this thread! Given the hype of the event, the fundraising in its name, and the last-moment cancellation, 350.org is even more open to mockery and blog ridicule, even if their ice did not get to the melting point.
btw, knowing something of logistics and ice sculpture, the “Hoax” icework must exist somewhere…. some enterprising journalists should find out what they are doing with it now that this money has been wasted ($5,000 they say, not a big sum in the enviro world but a good chunk of bucks to most of us ordinary folk). Maybe they will announce a different event with ice cubes provided for their supporters who show up. That’s an awful lot of ice, though….
The site at this link is merely an example, I have no idea who they might have used, but it was almost certainly a professional company that specializes in creating large iceworks for corporate and public events. These are not home productions, especially not in the DC area outside of winter. Somewhere in the DC area there is surely a company with that huge ‘HOAX’ icework chilling in its huge freezers (unless 350.org has already rushed to have them alter or dispose of the thing):
http://www.hoticeinc.com/page1.htm
These things don’t get made the morning of an event. It would be ‘interesting’ to mock McKibben and 350.org for the disposal of so much expensive ice. [Maybe they will now donate bags of ice to the poor….they need to try to spin this fiasco in some positive way… but what an inefficient (!!) way to go about doing so.]
John Dunton-Downer says:
July 7, 2012 at 5:58 am
Greg House says: Moderate warmism based on belief in the radical warmists’ (unproven) claims with a small exception about the consequences is in fact a very weak position, because the opposite claims like “but it is not dangerous” can hardly improve the situation.
Greg: Thank you for responding to my comment. Can you point me to information on the controversy re the doubling of C02 causing a 1C temp rise? I’m only an amateur but very keen to keep up with this. Cheers.
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John, you’d better start with questioning the core statements of the AGW concept, then you will possibly discover that on the one hand the warmists can not present any experiment proving the claimed CO2 warming capability except for fakes and unrelated stuff and on the other hand that that notion has been experimentally debunked long ago.
You can also start with the “doubling of C02 causing a 1C temp rise”, then you will discover that they use in their calculations certain value called “CO2 forcing” that they can not account for. They usually refer to the IPCC (!) to justify that. If you dig deeper you might find out that this thing comes out of a climate model. No physical proof again.
Thanks again Greg! Can you link me to info on the debunking? A number of characters on ‘our’ side (e.g. Monckton, Meyers) keep citing that C02’s tendency to insulate/heat was proven in the 19th century and is beyond doubt. Would love to clear that one up, IPCC coefficients etc notwithstanding.
John Dunton-Downer says:
July 7, 2012 at 8:47 am
Thanks again Greg! Can you link me to info on the debunking? A number of characters on ‘our’ side (e.g. Monckton, Meyers) keep citing that C02′s tendency to insulate/heat was proven in the 19th century and is beyond doubt. Would love to clear that one up, IPCC coefficients etc notwithstanding.
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Here you are: http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/sci/wood_rw.1909.html .
To “C02′s tendency to insulate/heat was proven in the 19th century and is beyond doubt”, they only have an experiment of John Tyndall from 1859 about capability of CO2 and other gases to absorb and re-emit IR radiation. That gave back then Tyndall, Arrhenius and others a reason to believe that CO2 would trapp IR and produce warming exactly like the glass in a greenhouse does. Unfortunately, they did not bother to verify that claim about glass nor their claim about CO2. The whole thing was just a misconception. Tyndall also believed for a while in “cold radiation” causing cooling, by the way.
Greg House says:
To “C02′s tendency to insulate/heat was proven in the 19th century and is beyond doubt”, they only have an experiment of John Tyndall from 1859 about capability of CO2 and other gases to absorb and re-emit IR radiation. That gave back then Tyndall, Arrhenius and others a reason to believe that CO2 would trapp IR and produce warming exactly like the glass in a greenhouse does. Unfortunately, they did not bother to verify that claim about glass nor their claim about CO2. The whole thing was just a misconception. Tyndall also believed for a while in “cold radiation” causing cooling, by the way.
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Appreciate this, Greg. I see there is some contention about the C02 based on this 1909 experiment. It appears, interestingly, however, not to be a point on which skeptics are united, and I wonder why. If it is in serious doubt perhaps contemporary experiments to prove the greenhouse theory or not should be being undertaken. Too big a question to be left un-addressed at this stage, it would seem, no?
Skiphil~ Another good point about all that ice- that water could have been used to take care of some of the poor in Washington D.C. You’d think that these activists, who believe in the scarcity of fresh water, would want to reserve it for those who actually Need it, rather than letting it go to waste on the pavement.