New Association to push for common sense on Scottish Climate & Energy policy.

PRESS RELEASE

A new organisation was created in Dunblane, Scotland to advocate a pragmatic approach to issues like Global Warming and renewable energy.

“Scotland was literally and physically made by our climate: The ice ages formed our valleys; our cuisine of porridge from oats is because our climate doesn’t suit wheat; and it was the colder climate of the 1690s & the famine that followed, that led to our loss of our independence. According to historians, up to a quarter of Scots died in just a few years. Imagine if it happened today? That is why climate and energy are so important in Scotland” said Mike Haseler, the newly appointed chairman.

The Scottish Climate & Energy Forum plans to take on “the pernicious groups” which appear to want to tear up the Scottish landscape and destroy our economy. “They have got away with this so far because pragmatic people like us haven’t had an organisation to ensure the public were told the truth about the real science. The physics of CO2 is that doubling this trace gas will only warm the world by around 1C. This is not a catastrophe. It isn’t unprecedented. It isn’t even bad in a cold country like Scotland” said Mike Haseler who has a Physics and Electronics degree from St. Andrews University.

Whilst Scotland is the home of some prominent climate Sceptics like Lord Monckton, who has been on numerous speaking tours, and Andrew Montford, author of the “The Hockey Stick Illusion; Climategate and the Corruption of Science”, the Scottish Climate & Energy Forum is the first Scottish organisation which aims to represent the pragmatic scientific view on climate and energy which almost all “sceptics” support.

The association now plans to develop educational material. “It doesn’t need a rocket scientist to explain that the claims of doomsday warming are not based on sound science. They are only computer projections. In 2001, they predicted warming. It has not warmed since. This scientific evidence tells us we should reject these flawed models which are based on a doomsday global warming theory. That is how real science works. That is why Scotland needs the Scottish Climate & Energy Forum.”

Notes for Editors

  • The Scottish Climate & Energy Forum is an Association which aims “to support government, communities and the people of Scotland to make the best decisions on climate and energy for the benefit of us all.”

For more information see:

Contact
Name: Mike Haseler Tel: 0141 776 1523
Chairman of the Scottish Climate and Energy Forum
7 Poplar Drive, Lenzie, East Dunbartonshire, G66 4DN
Telephone 0141 776 1523
Email chairman@scef.org.uk
Website http://scef.org.uk

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sophocles

Right, that’s Scotland solved.
Next!

Rhoda R

More of this in more countries.

SasjaL

It isn’t only Scotland that need organisations like this …

steve salter

They don’t call them ‘canny’ Scots for naught.

Dodgy Geezer

“..it was the colder climate of the 1690s & the famine that followed, that led to our loss of our independence…”
Umm? The Scots merged with the English in 1707 because they were bankrupt after investing heavily in a mad colonial scheme in Darien, and losing all their money. The English agreed to bail them out if they agreed to a joint union, which had been an English aim ever since the two countries started having joint monarchs 100 years earlier.
The treaty negotiations were entirely conducted between the upper classes of both countries, who were not starving. Whether or not the common people on either side were suffering privations due to the climate was completely irrelevant. The Scots nobility wanted their wealth restored, and were happy to agree to a single parliament to achieve this. The common Scots weren’t, and I suspect the common English were none to happy either – but no one listened to them….

jorgekafkazar

“…According to historians, up to a quarter of Scots died in just a few years. Imagine if it happened today?”
Noo ye’v given awa’ thair plan, Mike. Thay wull nae be chuffed wi’ ye.

“…It isn’t even bad in a cold country like Scotland” said Mike Haseler
Like it. Self interest should win in the end.

Tom in Worcester

Well done Scotland!!

Joachim Seifert

The good old common sense and the enlightenment of the sons
of Adam Smith at work…..good move….JS

Adam Smith would be pleased.
He always knew the Scottish school showed greater wisdom.

Excellent article from yesterday’s Telegraph about how Scotland is wrecking its landscape and potentially its tourism industry with wind power.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/windpower/9366706/Wind-farm-pylons-steel-giants-of-the-glens.html

Dr Burns

Uncannily, the Australian carbon tax of $23 per tonne (not sure if it’s tonne of C or CO2) started yesterday.
It’s all been driven through Labor by the lunatic Greens. Their policy document states:
“2. we have only 10-15 years to use our collective human intelligence to address the crisis of climate change and to prevent catastrophe.”
“15. Australia to achieve net zero greenhouse gas emissions as soon as is feasible and by no later than 2050 ”
http://greens.org.au/policies/climate-change-and-energy/climate-change-and-energy
Our government carbon tax doco states that global warming is our fault:
“Science predicts a number of “fingerprints” that we should expect, if current climate change models are correct. Indeed, these have been observed – including more warming at night, more warming at higher latitudes, and upper atmosphere cooling. Furthermore, climate models have projected the ensuing global warming to a high level of accuracy, verifying that we have a good understanding of the fundamental physics behind climate change.”
http://www.carbontax.net.au/category/climate-change/

pat

not to mention “FLAWED FORECASTS” by the Met Office!
anyone following the insanity of the roof decisions at wimbledon last week, will appreciate Djokovic’s jibe at them:
30 June: AP: Djokovic rallies past Stepanek at Wimbledon
When a drizzle delayed the start of the third round, tournament officials decided Djokovic’s match should be played inside. An odd spectacle ensued: The roof closed as the sun came out and outside court covers came off.
“I was a little bit surprised, when I saw sunshine, that the roof is closed,” Djokovic said. “Obviously they’re relying on a forecast that I don’t think is very reliable here. But OK.”
http://www.wkrn.com/story/18916332/djokovic-rallies-past-stepanek-at-wimbledon

Ah, good, nice timing for me returning to my homeland Scotland soon.

Best of luck to the Scottish Climate & Energy Forum.

David L. Hagen

From historical evidence, global cooling is far more dangerous than global warming.
Scotland Famine 1693-4
Famine in Scotland: The ‘Ill Years’ of The 1690s p 191

What is evident is that by comparison with the population loss experienced in France during the famine of 1693-4 it would not seem unrealistic to estimate that somewhere in the region of at least 6 to 10 per cent of the Scottish population died as a result of the famine of the last 1690s. There are indications that famine-related mortality in the far north and the Highlands was much higher than the national average.

Finland Famine 1694-7

“In the years 1694 to early 1697, cold winters and cool and wet springs and autumns led to extreme famine in northern Europe, particularly in Finland, Estonia, and Livonia. It is estimated that in Finland about 25–33% of the population perished (Jutikkala, 1955; Muroma, 1972), and in Estonia-Livonia about 20% (Liiv, 1938). As far as is known the population disasters associated with the famines of the 1690s in France, Italy, and Scotland; 1816–17 in western Europe; 1845–46 in Ireland; and 1867–68, again in Finland; were all notably smaller than those of Finland, Estonia, and Livonia in 1695–97.”

Great Famine of Finland (1695–1697)
Neumann, J.; Lindgrén, S. (1979). “Great Historical Events That Were Significantly Affected by the Weather: 4, The Great Famines in Finland and Estonia”. Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society 60 (7): pp775–787. doi:10.1175/1520-0477(1979)0602.0.CO;2. ISSN 1520-0477.

Firey

Dr Burns.
The Labor Party also said ” There will be no carbon tax under a Government I lead” & “No it is not correct This is an hysterically incorrect claim made by the conservatives’ Wayne Swann said that.
Simply, their veracity is open to doubt.
As for climate model predictions the less said the better. Look at the prjections DR Hansen made to the US Congress in 1988 and actual result. He was not even close. As someone said, “nice try but no cigar”!!!!

DaveR

Well done, Mike. Scotland’s energy ‘policy’ is an unfolding disaster. Read again, (if you can stomach it) our unanimously adopted ‘Climate Change Declaration’, and weep. And for what? This is not the heralded ‘re-industrialisation’ of Scotland as gov purports: instead, it’s a wholesale sell-out to the CAGW faddists. Madness.
It’ll be interesting to see government’s reaction to Fife’s recent request: http://www.scotsman.com/news/environment/fife-council-calls-for-ban-on-wind-farm-applications-1-2361647 . That, of course, is if either choose to publically communicate.
Anyway, power to your elbow from ‘neath Craigleith.

James Reid from Arding

I seem to recall that the core of the Royal Society was formed by Scots.
They are pretty good at enlightenment ;-).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Enlightenment

Lady Life Grows

I didn’t know Lord Monckton was Scottish. My opinion of that land just went up–again. That dear hero will probably read this comment and find out that the book “The Millionaire Next Door” says that Scottish immigrants to the United States have been its single most prosperous demographic group. Two hundred years ago, Scots had a lot to do with the founding era and the prosperity this country has enjoyed (Lord Monckton probably already knows that).
Now that I have mentioned this, other Scots will likely grab that book as well, and become even more prosperous. Of course, everyone else can get it, too.

Gail Combs

Seems the Scots remember the “Clearances” and see the resemblance to Agenda 21.

garcad

Adam Smith tried to stop the federalization of America. He failed. Now people worship their indenture papers and call it protection. It’s been downhill from there. But now the pace is picking up.
Barking dogs don’t bite. Talking people don’t resist.
Oh, you will be free, eventually- when you have nothing left to lose.
Until then, yadda-yadda is like vaseline. You’ll try different brands of it as long as you still have any hopey change. It’s a habit. Habits are hard to break. Australians will never ever lose the carbon tax. Americans will never ever escape socialized medicine. Europe is already near the culdesac at the end of the one-way street.
There might be a way to stop it in America, but it can’t be done by talking or voting or paying more taxes – that’s just giving it up instead of fighting it. Slavery on the installment plan is the global strategy. You know it is. What’s the point of another bunch of talking heads? They aren’t going to feel remorse for selling you out while they take your money to give you hope. They can’t do anything. It would take every individual to DO something. Truth doesn’t matter, courage doesn’t matter. They have air superiority and you won’t even have anybody to shoot at. It’s a foregone conclusion that you stand no chance of winning this war against you – particularly when you think it’s a debating society event.
Bye bye, America. It was the land of the free for a little while. There were enough scraps of liberty left in the bowl to live on. It’s time to head to South America before they arm the drones.

DaveR

Monckton isn’t even remotely Scottish, if anyone cares to look.

Alexander K

More power to your elbow, Mike Haselar and the organisation.
Some of us Kiwis are struggling with the mad reasoning underpinning the ETS our government foisted upon us back when Kyoto was a bandwaggon. Now it’s getting cooler the reasoning behind our ETS looks even sillier.

kwik

garcad says:
July 1, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Oh Garcad, it was depressing to read your post. Why?
Because I know, deep inside, that what you wrote is true….

Manfred

Just why one should trust the heritage of a notable engineer in times of need……”Beam me up Scotty.”

Well done, this sure is needed in NZ – the lunatics are in charge here, as witnessed by
http://www.palmerston-north.info

Braw!

tango

A breath of cold air well done

Manfred

In the finest tradition of reliance on the dependable:
“Beam me up Scotty”

Keith

Good to hear of this. Here in Dubai, United Arab Emirates, people from Scottish Development International promote Scottish firms (which is good ) but so often they are also pushing renewables, despite recognising that they are not yet close to cost effective. The more the skeptic view is heard, the more chance they will promote real business as opposed to subsidised non-profitable business.

MangoChutney

I hate to say this, but how can 1 person working from his back bedroom be called an organisation?
I’m not even sure this “press release” should adorn the pages of WUWT.
JMHO

Graeme No.3

Dr Burns says:
July 1, 2012 at 5:23 pm
It’s all been driven through Labor by the lunatic Greens. Their policy document states:
“2. we have only 10-15 years to use our collective human intelligence to address the crisis of climate change and to prevent catastrophe.”
——-
Well, the Greens have lead the way with zero emissions of intelligence.

dp

DaveR says:
July 1, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Monckton isn’t even remotely Scottish, if anyone cares to look.

Scotland is home to Lord Monckton as stated by the OP. That has been misunderstood. No harm, no foul. In fact he owns an estate in Scotland. I expect he is a part-time resident.

Harold Pierce Jr

Dr Burns says on July 1, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Uncannily, the Australian carbon tax of $23 per tonne (not sure if it’s tonne of C or CO2) started yesterday.
In BC we now pay a carbon tax of $30 per tonne of CO2 equivalent. The tax is the weight of a fossil fuel that generates one tonne of CO2. The tax on nat. gas is 30% of the commodity price. This really hits home owners very hard because nat gas is for space and water heating.

Jeef

Scotland in the 1690s was wretched but it was more than climate. The rulers of the day threw all their capital away establishing a colony in the Americas. It failed. They had to sign the Act Of Union so England would bail them out so it’s safe to say nobody’s eye was on the weather at home in this era.

David, UK

DaveR says:
July 1, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Monckton isn’t even remotely Scottish, if anyone cares to look.

And you’re [SNIP: Come on, name calling adds nothing to the discussion, Do you have something substantive to add? -REP], which anyone can clearly see.

lapogus

MangoChutney says:
July 1, 2012 at 10:52 pm
I hate to say this, but how can 1 person working from his back bedroom be called an organisation?

Mango – I can assure you that there is more than one person behind SCEF – there have been a number of meetings and many discussions between founding members and potential supporters of this organisation in the last 8 months. Mike instigated and has taken a leading role in this process but there are many others who have been involved.

oldseadog

Mango Chutney,
To follow your comment, that would mean that WUWT isn’t an organisation either.

Ally E.

The new forum is excellent news. The more the merrier. Good luck Scotland, I think you’ll do well.

It is really sad. I visited Scotland many years ago (1972 and 1975), when the Highlands were completely pristine, with lots of one-lane roads and hardly any traffic. Since then I have seen the destruction of landscape in Spain, where the coast near Gibraltar is completely spoiled with windmills (even if that is in the main corrodor of migratory birds to/from Africa). And now they are doing the same in Scotland. Seems that we need to be in a hurry to see it again, before most of the landscape is destroyed…

MangoChutney

@lalogus & oldseadog
I’m not saying SCEF isn’t worthwhile – every little helps, and I’m sure that SCEF has good intentions, which I would support, but the website looks just like any other blog which relies on amalgamating feeds from outside sources such as The Telegraph etc. The “About Us” page tells us about Mike and prominent Scottish sceptics, who as far as I can see, are not part of SCEF, but are included on the “About Us” page because they live in Scotland.
Issuing a “Press Release” is just ridiculous from a blog and won’t even register in any rag of importance. Please correct me if I am wrong.
WRT WUWT, I’m not sure WUWT is an organisation (again, correct me if I am wrong), although Watts has clearly produced good work to counter the cAGW fallacy.
JMHO

Dermot O'Logical

I’ve just come back from the Orkney islands (a few miles North of the North East corner of Scotland). Wind turbines are now absolutely everywhere, and it is becoming difficult to find a view in that magnificent landscape without them.
The isle of Sanday had 3 60m 2.75MW turbines installed on its southern peninsula in 2004 – the site was purchased by Scottish and Southern Energy for £8.3m.
They are now being decommissioned just 8 years later. The existing turbines are no longer in production, there is a lack of replacement parts for maintenance. There are being replaced with 5 smaller turbines. Scottish and Southern Energy called this “repowering”
http://www.sse.com/Spurness/TheProject/
It is scenarios like this which expose such installations for the folly that they are. Even in a wind-rich environment such as Orkney, these behemoths cannot deliver on many of the claims made on their behalf – cheap, low maintenance, low impact and so on, whilst still being unable to provide a 24 hour base load into the grid.
Yes, I’m tilting at windmills. But it is so important to do so.

AndyG55

Ahh…. Scotland the home of England’s wind turbines.
Very glad to see my countrymen fighting back against the idiocy. (yes I was born in Scotland , even though I’m now an Aussie.)
Wind turbines are one of THE MOST ENVIRONMENTALLY DESTRUCTIVE devices ever invented by man.. so naturally it is the poster child of the psuedo-environmentalist.
I have NEVER understood how any “Green” party could possibly accept these monstrosities, …
but its all in the final agenda, isn’t it.. never really about the environment.

AndyG55

“psuedo-environmentalist.” ie WWFools, GreenPieces etc….

Still time to act before the “flower of Scotland” changes from the handsome but prickly (how appropriate!) thistle to the wind turbine.
Scots Wha Hae Wi’ Wallace Bled
Scots, wha hae wi’ Wallace bled,
Scots, wham Bruce has aften led
Welcome to your gory bed,
Or tae victorie!
Now’s the day an’ now’s the hour.
See the front of battle lour
See approach proud Edward’s pow’r
Chains and slavery!
Wha would be a traitor knave?
Wha would fill a coward’s grave?
Wha sae base as be a slave?
Let him turn and flee!
Wha for Scotland’s king an’ law
Freedom’s sword would strongly draw
Freeman stand and freeman fa’,
Let him on wi’ me!
By oppression’s woes and pains
By your sons in servile chains!
We will drain our dearest veins
But they shall be free.
Lay the proud usurpers low!
Tyrants fall in ev’ry foe,
Liberty’s in every blow –
Let us do or dee!
Rabbie Burns knew a thing or two about freedom and oppression.
Sios na coimhich bhorb gur bas! – Lay the proud usurpers low!
“Proud usurpers” may be translated as “bird shredders” and their sycophantic supporters in the context of this post.
On tae victory! No gu buaidh is sith!

AndyG55

pps, its all very well to have a “forum” but it will need to have real teeth to lead the fight against the idiotic English AGW idiologists. Only real teeth, swords, guns, and maybe rebuilding the Hadrian Wall will keep those morons in check !!
Fight the good fight, brave lads.
Let the rose of Scotland rise again, against the bitter despite of the AGW cult.

Jimbo

Perhaps the following finally pushed people into action before it’s too late and disaster strikes.

26 December 2010
‘Green’ Scotland relying on French nuclear power
SCOTLAND’S wind farms are unable to cope with the freezing weather conditions – grinding to a halt at a time when electricity demand is at a peak, forcing the country to rely on power generated by French nuclear plants.
……………………….
Output from major wind farms fell to as low as 2.5 per cent of their potential generation capacity during the cold snap as power demand rose to close to the highest level yet recorded, new figures have revealed.
Meteorologists say extremely cold temperatures can occur only when there is little or no wind and icy pockets of air are trapped close to the ground, prompting accusations from anti- wind-farm campaigners that wind power cannot be relied on to meet Scotland’s electricity needs in the depths of winter.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/green-scotland-relying-on-french-nuclear-power-1-1523147

What would have happened is Scotland solely relied on its own wind and solar? What would happen if all of Europe followed green Scotland, what then?
If there are any Scottish readers here you should send your MP this story and ask how sensible is it to litter your countryside with wind turbines that fail when you need it most?

Alan the Brit

I am delighted to hear of some common sense somewhere in this land. More importantly though, I wasn’t aware of such scientific certainty, “The physics of CO2 is that doubling this trace gas will only warm the world by around 1C.” How is he so sure of even that if CO2 is rising & the world is cooling? If the Sun is shutting down for a while I certainly hope it does a bit more than that! Just when weasle words were needed they insert definite articles. Why couldn’t have just said “may only”?

Allan MacRae

The Scottish Enlightenment
http://www.educationscotland.gov.uk/scottishenlightenment/index.asp
The Scottish Enlightenment was an intellectual movement that ranged across the fields of philosophy, chemistry, geology, architecture, poetry, engineering, technology, economics, sociology, medicine and history.
The 18th century is often described as Scotland’s ‘Golden Age’.
In this learning resource you will come face to face with David Hume, James Hutton, Robert Adam, Joseph Black, James Watt, Alison Rutherford and Adam Smith.
These Enlightenment figures were outspoken; they argued that it was vitally important for people to think for themselves rather than simply believing what they were told.
Their ideas were often controversial. In Edinburgh, Glasgow and Aberdeen great thinkers sought to understand the natural world and the human mind.
Today, many historians believe that the ideas and advances that emerged from the Scottish Enlightenment helped to shape the modern world.