Steve McIntyre writes at Climate Audit:
Bishop Hill links to a presentation by Myles Allen to a 2011 conference on Climategate, which like every other such handwringing introspection by climate “communicators”, notably failed to invite any of the major CRU critics – people who might actually have given them some insight into Climategate. In his presentation to climate communicators, Allen gave his own version of Hide the Decline. Allen showed the graphic below, sneering that the entire effect of Climategate was 0.02 deg C in the 1870s.
Figure 1. Allen in front of temperature history.
Needless to say, Allen’s graph has nothing to do with Hide the Decline and the Climategate dossier. Allen’s graph shows the CRUTEM temperature index from 1850, not the 1000 year reconstructions in which Hide the Decline occurred. CRUTEM was only mentioned a couple of times in the Climategate dossier.
Climategate was about the Hockey Stick, though this point was misunderstood by Sarah Palin and now, it seems, Myles Allen.
Full story here at Climate Audit: Myles Allen and a New Trick to Hide-the-Decline
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Watch the video of Myles Allen doing his best communications schtick here:
I’m sure our UK troll supreme Phil Clarke will bring his famous expert consultancy services to bear in comments to tell us how we’ve all misinterpreted this as he’s done in previous comments here. /sarc


It’s a failure to tell the truth, not a failure to communicate.
Gail Combs says:
May 27, 2012 at 4:43 am
“Urederra says: @ur momisugly May 27, 2012 at 12:50 am
These people have no ethics.
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That is the take away quote for this whole sorry mess. Perhaps that is what the Heartland Billboard was trying to get across.”
I disagree. THEY MAKE THE ETHICS.
All the totalitarianism your taxpayer dollars can buy:
http://ethics-etc.com/category/environmental-ethics/
http://newnostradamusofthenorth.blogspot.se/2012/05/course-of-sky-is-within-our-power-view.html
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/ormer_greens_candidate_professor_clive_hamilton_is_furious/#103775
http://uonews.uoregon.edu/archive/news-release/2012/3/simultaneous-action-needed-break-cultural-inertia-climate-change-respons
“Resistance at individual and societal levels must be recognized and treated before real action can be taken to effectively address
threats facing the planet from human-caused contributions to climate change.”
( The original quote before they memory-holed the “treated”)
http://jamesgarveyactually.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/climate-change-for-think.pdf
http://ocw.nd.edu/philosophy/environmental-philosophy/readings
So the plan is: just in case, if we have to, for climate scientist to overide democracy??? Wow! GK
Its not a failure to communicate at all. Its a failure to tell the truth. That’s the lie!
Who’d a thunk it – GISS has a reputation for adjusting the historical records as new temperatures come in, now “Allen showed the graphic below, sneering that the entire effect of Climategate was 0.02 deg C in the 1870s.”
Does this mean we’re supposed to give UEA credit/blame for adjusting temperatures? Or the Climategate readers? Or Myles Allen?
why bother with the “to communicate”?
William Astley says:
May 27, 2012 at 2:38 am
“The following is the first real discussion of this reality in the BCC. It appears intelligent, people are becoming aware the Western countries have reached the limit of deficit spending. Financial reality will trump fantasy green scams
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16906738
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Astonishing. What happened to Black? He doesn’t even smear Prof. Kelly.
He must have gotten new orders. His socialist leadership at the BBC must have decided that further attacks on the CAGW front are meaningless. That means they will concentrate the attack on the biodiversity front now. And that means that the warmist scientists have no strategic value for the Left anymore.
“Failure to Communicate” I wonder if the real problem isn’t the message and they are just to damn self centred to even realise how bad it really is for the warmist “cause” and how that same public is now beginning to increasingly realise just how corrupt and incompetent the science underpinning the CAGW claims has become.
The public the warmists are trying so hard to impress sense this and no longer want much to do any more with the sleazy climate warming salesman’s approach to a public that has become increasingly aware that they are being sold a very, very expensive, aged and shoddy, no longer fashionable set of very suspect goods wrapped up as some sort of corrupted science parcel which they can no longer afford.
A comment on Bishop Hill started me thinking on this so I did a few minutes research.
The following rough statistics are taken from the various blog sites starting with the first post in each case on Sunday 20th May and finishing with the last post on the Sat 26th May by 0840 hrs UTC [ Australian EST. 1840 hrs ]
In this 6 day time frame from the Warmista advocacy blogs
“DeBlobSmog” had 13 posts and 59 comments. [ Deleted comment numbers are unknown ]
The heavily promoted and anything but “Skeptical Science” had 10 posts and 86 comments.
[ deleted comment numbers are unknown ]
The first of the flagship blogs of global warmista science and the representative blog of the CRU Hokey Team,
“Real Climate” had 4 posts and 100 comments with an additional 10 comments went down the Borehole making it 110 comments in total for that 6 day time frame.
[ not sure why they bother anymore! ]
Joe Romm did alright with the second flagship warmista blog “Think Progress”
“Think Progress” had 47 posts and 505 comments. [ numbers of deleted comments unknown.]
On the skeptic side;
UK’s “Bishop Hill ” had 20 posts and 1063 comments in that identical 6 day time frame.
And of course the king of the World Wide Web’s climate debate, Anthony Watt’s “Watts Up With That” had 31 posts and an astounding 2653 comments in that same 6 day long, identical period of time.
And all those skeptical blog commenters are apparently from that “tiny minority of climate deniers” so beloved of the 98% of the rest of the world who, all of them apparently, believe that the world is going to burn up from global warming unless “we do something”?
A stalinist type “re-education and indoctrination campaign” for those “deniers” who dared to comment on the skeptic blogs should fix that problem.[ /sarc ]
If the science is so robust……
Either you assume the guys a moron……or not
The new darling word of people trying to pull the wool over your eyes: “communicate”.
If somebody’s record is not a shining example of worthyness, the goto fall guy is this entity called “communicate”. If somebody wants to take control, the goto guy is this entity called “communicate”. If somebody wants to look good while standing in a horse pile, the goto guy is this entity called “communicate”. If you make a mistake, don’t sweat it, call “communicate”. If your toilet won’t flush call 1-800 “communicate”.
I’ld like to find this guy and ride him out on a rail properly tarred and feathered.
Here is a novel idea. If you want something done…go to work in stead of flappin your gums. I am sick and tired of “communicate”.
ROM,
Thanks for digging up that interesting information. As I’ve always suspected, the true consensus on climate is populated by scientific skeptics. Alarmist scientists are in a quandary: there is only so much money available, and they don’t want to share it, not even with other like-minded alarmists.
The ‘Team’ is a relatively small clique that controls access to grants via the compromised climate journal industry. Young postdoc scientists have visions of riding the grant gravy train. But the old timers have no intention of sharing the loot with anyone. The climate scare is motivated entirely by money, not by science. When the money begins to dry up, that will signal the end of climate alarmism.
As you pointed out, one of the best metrics of a site’s popularity is the number of reader comments. WUWT is closing in on the 1,000,000 comment mark, an amazing accomplishment for a site that is only about five years old. A comment posted here is read by many more people than a comment posted on thinly-trafficked blogs like RealClimate, or any of it’s heavily censoring clones.
@ROM,
Please do the same thing with judithcurry.com.
Few posts, but a lot of comments for each.
Keep your eye on the pea folks… Notice that I’ve hidden the pea whilst simultaneously changing the message that there is nothing to see here folks; we educated elite will protect you poor bored saps by taking charge and managing
worldyourthese confusing issuesbehind your stupid backs, just give us your money and freedomfor you. All the while he’s thinking, “Move along now you silly trusting fools, They’re going to give me Craggy Island off of Ireland’s coast as my private kingdom”.Great one David! I always love a pre-emptive tactic! Especially since the trollies are always trying to disrupt, delay and confuse, or is that delude? Glad I didn’t have coffee in my mouth at the time.
I could’ve sworn I matched my strikes and /strikes. Moderator can you please fix?
The /strike should’ve been after …private kingdom.
Thanks !
REPLY: Such a mess I gave up, resubmit – Anthony
Walt Stone, Looks like Dr J made four posts and got 1751 comments May 20-26.
“We are grateful” to those who pointed out the .02 degrees C error. With gratitude like that, who needs backstabbers.
Busy week for Rimmer Part II He’s also been defending Will.i.am’s helicopter jaunt. Good thing to know that my carbon output that is even less significant that Will’s is so insignificant that neither he nor anyone else should be worrying about it.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2012/may/25/will-i-am-helicopter-carbon-footprint
DennisA says: “The sad thing is, according to Richard Lindzen’s bio, Allen was one of his PhD students. He must have skipped a lot of lectures.”
That’s nothing. If you’ve read comment threads at Roy Spencer’s from I think about last year (not sure about lately) you’ll notice Dan Kirk-Davidoff defending the high sensitivity view. He was one of Lindzen’s PhD students, and more over they apparently did two papers and worked on a third that never got past preparation in 1994. Ka-Kit Tung is another student of Lindzen’s who seems to have become a warmist.
It’s a real shame about that ’94 paper, since it looks like it would have had important implications.
There is often a comment or two on these sorts of postings about the failure of media types to pick up on the deceptions in presentations such as that by Myles Allen. Are they not supposed to report what they hear and see? The fault is that they hear and see so much from the AGW agenda and very little from the skeptical side.
A newspaper or a TV news show has a deadline for news reports and those doing the reporting must meet that time for their work to make the news cycle – and justify their pay. If one moves the discussion to “investigation” and “opinion” articles without the daily deadline, then there is a reason to lament the lack of skeptical work. Still, blogs and printed books are now available that explain the issues. WUWT shows the cover of Montford’s “The Hockey Stick Illusion” to the right of the 8th comment @12:50 am. If skeptics want these sorts of things to be more widely distributed they will have to do this. Don’t expect “reporters” to find the interest or time to do so.
I presume his sweat is associated with panic.
Professional Climate Communicators [ie his current audience] are likewise dying out. Because Climate Change has become boring. But the question we’ve got to ask ourselves is, maybe that’s a good thing. Maybe the idea of selling this as something people are going to deal with as some sort of great collective action enterprise was never going to work. That actually, the way it’s going, the whole Climate Change issue, will be played out by professionals, largely leaving the public out of the picture. That’s sad for democracy, but it may ultimately be the best for the planet.
I found this paragraph ominous. What pray tell, is a “Professional Climate Communicator?” The answer to that is simple: he’s a failed propagandist in the MSM (Richard Black comes to mind) whose message has been exposed as wanting, given the condition of CAGW science. How does one defend much less promote a speculative, poorly conceived theory that is being used to impose spartan living conditions on the entire world with or without the consent of the various citizenry?
The idea that Dr. Allen is promoting here is that he and his friends in the stultified, restless bureaucracies around the world might have to grab the reins and impose their authoritarian vision of greenness on the rest of us chumps. This should be of no surprise to anyone, given their behavior in the past twenty years. It’s been the unstated goal all along.
Friends:
Myles Allen seems to be under the impression that AGW-promoters have failed to communicate their message to the public.
But the real problem for AGW-promoters is that they have communicated their message to the public, and most of the public are not stupid.
Richard
In Reply to JerOme’s comments:
Myles Allen is part of the cover-up, a member of the propaganda team. Climate change is becoming very interesting, as Western governments have reached the limit of deficit spending. The green scams will bankrupt the Western world. Intelligent socialists and environmentalists are become aware of climategate and the green scam. The end is near for the green scam team. Increases in atmospheric CO2 is beneficial to the biosphere. There will not be dangerous warming. The socialists want money spent on health, education, parks, social programs, and so on. Watch for the point when politicians start to look for scapegoats.
Science, common sense, employment, environmental protection, and so, is on the side of the so called “skeptics”. It is truly astonishing that billions upon billions of dollars has been spent on the green scams.
“Jer0me says:
May 27, 2012 at 3:38 am
I like to hear how ‘reasoning’ CAGW believers think, so I filled it through to the end. There was the money shot: Professional Climate Communicators [ie his current audience] are likewise dying out. Because Climate Change has become boring. But the question we’ve got to ask ourselves is, maybe that’s a good thing. Maybe the idea of selling this as something people are going to deal with as some sort of great collective action enterprise was never going to work. That actually, the way it’s going, the whole Climate Change issue, will be played out by professionals, largely leaving the public out of the picture. That’s sad for democracy, but it may ultimately be the best for the planet. His self-satisfied smirk after saying that tells me that is his main, and most important, message.”
William,
Climate change may be boring as there is no real change to discuss. Billions of dollars that are being spent on green scams by governments that have reached the limits of deficit spending is interesting. Climate gate old and new is interesting as the manipulated data is used to promote the scam. The blatant blocking of research papers that do not support the scam is about to end. Scientists have and will start to back track to protect their reputations and careers. Scientists unlike politicians and corporate executives pay a price for data manipulation and cover ups.
Fortunately, for the Western world free speech, intelligent people, and the internet will protect the Western world from the “green” scam. Climategate is the blatant manipulation and cherry picking of data to create the hockey stick to push an agenda, followed by manipulation of the scientific process to block the scientific exposure of the scam.
The extreme AGW paradigm is based on a lie.
http://assassinationscience.com/climategate/cg.pdf
Why Climategate is so distressing to scientists
by John P. Costella | December 10, 2009
“The most difficult thing for a scientist in the era of Climategate is trying to explain to family and friends why it is so distressing to scientists. Most people don’t know how science really works: there are no popular television shows, movies, or books that really depict the everyday lives of real scientists; it just isn’t exciting enough. I’m not talking here about the major discoveries of science—which are well-described in documentaries, popular science series, and magazines—but rather how the process of science (often called the “scientific method”) actually works…
…The best analogy that I have been able to come up with, in recent weeks, is the criminal justice system—which is (rightly or wrongly) abundantly depicted in the popular media. Everyone knows what happens if police obtain evidence by illegal means: the evidence is ruled inadmissible; and, if a case rests on that tainted evidence, it is thrown out of court. The justice system is not saying that the accused is necessarily innocent; rather, that determining the truth is impossible if evidence is not protected from tampering or fabrication.
The same is true in science: scientists assume that the rules of the scientific method have been followed, at least in any discipline that publishes its results for public consumption. It is that trust in the process that allows me, for example, to believe that the human genome has been mapped—despite my knowing nothing about that field of science at all. That same trust has allowed scientists at large to similarly believe in the results of climate science…
http://www.uoguelph.ca/~rmckitri/research/McKitrick-hockeystick.pdf
What is the ‘Hockey Stick’ Debate About?
“… At the political level the emerging debate is about whether the enormous international trust that has been placed in the IPCC was betrayed. The hockey stick story reveals that the IPCC allowed a deeply flawed study to dominate the Third Assessment Report, which suggests the possibility of bias in the Report-writing… …The result is in the bottom panel of Figure 6 (“Censored”). It shows what happens when Mann’s PC algorithm is applied to the NOAMER data after removing 20 bristlecone pine series. Without these hockey stick shapes to mine for, the Mann method generates a result just like that from a conventional PC algorithm, and shows the dominant pattern is not hockey stick-shaped at all. Without the bristlecone pines the overall MBH98 results would not have a hockey stick shape, instead it would have a pronounced peak in the 15th century. … …Of crucial importance here: the data for the bottom panel of Figure 6 is from a folder called CENSORED on Mann’s FTP site. He did this very experiment himself and discovered that the PCs lose their hockey stick shape when the Graybill-Idso series are removed. In so doing he discovered that the hockey stick is not a global pattern, it is driven by a flawed group of US proxies that experts do not consider valid as climate indicators. But he did not disclose this fatal weakness of his results, and it only came to light because of Stephen McIntyre’s laborious efforts…. ….Another extension to our analysis concerned the claims of statistical significance in Mann’s papers. We found that meaningless red noise could yield hockey stick-like proxy PCs. This allowed us to generate a “Monte Carlo” benchmark for statistical significance. The idea is that if you fit a model using random numbers you can see how well they do at “explaining” the data. Then the “real world” data, if they are actually informative about the climate, have to outperform the random numbers. We calculated significance benchmarks for the hockey stick algorithm and showed that the hockey stick did not achieve statistical significance, at least in the pre-1450 segment where all the controversy is. In other words, MBH98 and MBH99 present results that are no more informative about the millennial climate history than random numbers. …”
John F. Hultquist says: @ur momisugly May 27, 2012 at 8:47 am
Don’t expect “reporters” to find the interest or time to do so.
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The main Media outlets are propaganda rags.
The people who own the press control the reporters. CAGW skeptics are not the only ones who have encountered censorship by the press. The “food scare” Animal ID mess saw John Munsell’s story on e-coli wiped by the OWNER at the last minute despite a reporter spending three days interviewing him and the editor OKing the story. Two reporters in Florida got fired. A separate piece states ADM funded the MSM in florida and Derry Brownfield got kicked off the air by his old friend and partner when he ran some stories Monsanto did not like. That is just a couple of examples off the top of my head. I know of several others.
Well, credit where it’s due. They had the public fooled for a mighty good time. What would it be on a worldscale, $$$ thrown to the AGW crowd? Well over a 100 billion at least.
Maddoff is an amateur compared to their scam.