Tisdale: An Unsent Memo to James Hansen

This may be the only entry ever made by Bob Tisdale that doesn’t contain a graph. I thank him for the unsolicited notice he gives to WUWT – Anthony

Date: May 11, 2012

Subject: New York Times Op-Ed Titled “Game Over for the Climate”

From: Bob Tisdale

To: James Hansen – NASA GISS

Dear James:

I just finished reading your opinion that appeared in yesterday’s New York Times. I enjoyed the title “Game Over for the Climate” so much that I’m considering changing the title of my book to something similar, like “Game Over for the Manmade Global Warming Scare.” Yes. That’s got a nice ring to it. Thanks for the idea. I’ll have so see how difficult it would be to change the title of the Kindle edition. Yet, while I enjoyed the title, the content of your opinion shows that you’re still hoping to appeal to those who are gullible enough to believe your claim that carbon dioxide is responsible for the recent bout of global warming. I hope you understand that many, many persons have weighed your opinions and found them wanting.

The internet has become the primary medium for discussions of anthropogenic global warming, as I’m sure you’re aware. You have your own blog. Your associate at the Goddard Institute for Space Studies Gavin Schmidt is one of the founders of the once-formidable blog RealClimate. What you may not be aware of is that one of the other contributors to RealClimate Rasmus Benestad in a recent post expressed his feelings that all of their work there might have been for naught [my boldface].

However, if the notion that information makes little impact is correct, one may wonder what the point would be in having a debate about climate change, and why certain organisations would put so much efforts into denial, as described in books such as Heat is on, Climate Cover-up, Republican war on science, Merchants of doubt, and The Hockeystick and Climate Wars. Why then, would there be such things as ‘the Heartland Institute’, ‘NIPCC’, climateaudit, WUWT, climatedepot, and FoS, if they had no effect? And indeed, the IPCC reports and the reports from the National Academy of Sciences? One could even ask whether the effort that we have put into RealClimate has been in vain.

I can understand Rasmus Benestad’s doubts when a website skeptical of manmade global warming,  WattsUpWithThat, has gained visitors since 2008 while RealClimate is floundering. The web information company Alexa shows that WattUpWithThat’s daily reach began to surpass RealClimate’s in May 2008. And for the last 6 months, Alexa could no longer rank RealClimatebecause its percentage dropped too low. On the other hand, the daily reach of WattsUpWthThat increased greatly and WattsUpWthThat has become the world’s most-viewed website on global warming and climate change.

Over the past 30 years or longer, James, you’ve created a global surface temperature record called the GISS Land-Ocean Temperature Index.   It shows global surface temperatures have warmed since 1880. While there are some problems with that dataset we need to discuss, it is something you can be proud of. But in those 3 decades, you’ve also developed and programmed climate models with the sole intent of showing that manmade greenhouse gases were responsible for that warming. Those models are included, along with dozens of others, in the archives used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) for their reports. Unfortunately, your efforts with climate models, and the efforts of the other modeling groups, have not been successful. Far from it. And since your opinions are based on the results of your climate models, one has to conclude that your opinions are as flawed as the models.

I’m one of the independent researchers who study the instrument-based surface temperature record and the output data of the climate models used by the IPCC to simulate those temperatures. Other researchers and I understand two simple and basic facts, which have been presented numerous times on blogs such as WattsUpWithThat. Keep in mind WattUpWithThat reaches a massive audience daily, so anyone who’s interested in global warming and climate change and who takes the time to read those posts also understands those two simple facts.

Fact one: the instrument-based global surface temperature record since 1901 and the IPCC’s climate model simulations of it do not confirm the hypothesis of anthropogenic global warming; they contradict it.

The climate models used in the IPCC’s (2007) 4th Assessment Report show surface temperatures should have warmed about 2.9 times faster during the late warming period (1976-2000) than they did during the early warming period (1917-1944). The IPCC acknowledges the existence of those two separate warming periods. The climate model simulations are being driven by climate forcings, including manmade carbon dioxide, which logically show a higher rate during the later warming period. Yet the observed, instrument-based warming rates for the two warming periods are basically the same.

If the supposition you peddle was sound, James, manmade carbon dioxide and other anthropogenic greenhouse gases should have warmed the surface of our planet at a much faster rate in recent decades, but they have not. In other words, there’s little evidence that the carbon dioxide you demonize in your op-ed has had any measurable effect on how fast global surface temperatures have warmed. We independent climate researchers have known this for years. It’s a topic that surfaces often, so often that it’s joked about around the blogosphere.

Some independent researchers have taken the time to present how poorly climate models simulate the rates at which global surface temperatures have warmed and cooled since the start of the 20th Century. We do this so that people without technical backgrounds can better understand that very fundament flaw with the hypothesis of anthropogenic global warming. I resurrected it again in a two-part post back in December 2011 (see here and here), both of which were cross posted at WattsUpWithThat. I’ve published numerous posts about this since December using different datasets: sea surface temperature, land surface temperature and the combination of the two. I’ve published so many posts that show how poorly the IPCC’s climate models simulate past surface temperatures that it’s not practical to link them all. The posts also include the new and improved climate models that were prepared for the IPCC’s upcoming 5thAssessment Report.  Sorry to say, they show no improvement.

Fact two: natural processes are responsible for most if not all if the warming over the past 30 years, a warming that you continue to cite as proof of the effects of greenhouse gases.

In your opinion piece, you mentioned the predictions you made in the journal Science back in 1981. Coincidentally, that’s the year when satellites began to measure the surface temperatures of the global oceans. Those satellites provide much better coverage for the measurement of global sea surface temperatures, from pole to pole. You use a satellite-based dataset as one of the sea surface temperature sources for your GISS Land-Ocean Temperature Index (LOTI) data. That NOAA sea surface temperature dataset is known as Reynolds OI.v2. It is the same dataset I have used to illustrate that natural processes, not greenhouse gases, are responsible for surface temperature warming of the global oceans since 1981. Since land surface temperatures are simply along for the ride, mimicking and exaggerating the changes in sea surface temperatures, the hypothesis you promote has a significant problem. Climate models are once again contradicted by observation-based data.

I’m one of very few independent global warming researchers who study sea surface temperature data and the processes associated with the natural mode of climate variability called El Niño-Southern Oscillation or ENSO. ENSO is a process that is misrepresented by many climate scientists when they use linear regression analysis in attempts to remove an ENSO signal from the global surface temperature record. Those misrepresentations ensure misleading results in some climate science papers.

ENSO is a natural process that you and your associates at GISS exclude in many of the climate model-based studies you publish, because, as you note, your “coarse-resolution ocean model is unable to simulate climate variations associated with El Niño-Southern Oscillation processes.” In fact, there are no climate models used by the IPCC that are capable of recreating the frequency, magnitude and duration of El Niño and La Niña events. And I know of no scientific studies that show any one climate model is capable of correctly simulating all of the fundamental coupled ocean-atmosphere processes associated with ENSO.

If climate models are not able to simulate ENSO, then they do not include a very basic process Mother Nature has devised to increase and slow the distribution of heat from the tropics to the poles. As a result, the climate models exclude the variations in the rates at which the tropical Pacific Ocean releases naturally created heat to the atmosphere and redistributes it within the oceans, and those climate models also exclude the varying rate at which ENSO is responsible through teleconnections for the warming in areas remote to the tropical Pacific.

Climate scientists have to stop treating ENSO as noise, James. The process of ENSO serves as a source of naturally created and stored thermal energy that is discharged, redistributed and recharged periodically. Because these three functions (discharge, redistribution and recharge) all fluctuate (see Note 1), impacts of ENSO on global climate vary on annual, multiyear and multidecadal timescales. Common sense dictates that global surface temperatures will warm over multidecadal periods when the frequency, magnitude and duration of El Niño events outweigh those of La Niña events, causing more heat than normal to be released from the tropical Pacific Ocean to the atmosphere and to be redistributed within the oceans. And the opposite will occur, global surface will cool, when La Niña events dominate ENSO over a multidecadal period. It is no coincidence that that is precisely what has happened since 1917.

Note 1: El Niño events (the discharge mode) are not always followed by La Niña events (the recharge mode). Both El Niño and La Niña events can appear in a series of similar phase events like the El Niño events of 2002/03, 2004/05 and 2006/07 and the La Niña events of 2010/11 and 2011/12. El Niño and La Niña events can also last for more than one year, spanning multiple ENSO seasons, like the 1986/87/88 El Niño and the 1998/99/00/01 La Niña. When a strong El Niño is followed by a La Niña like the El Niño events of 1986/87/88 and 1997/98 it is very obvious that two portions of ENSO are acting together and redistributing warm water that’s left over from the El Niño. The results of the combined effects are actually difficult to miss in the sea surface temperature records.

The satellite-era sea surface temperature data reveals that ENSO, not carbon dioxide, is responsible for the warming of global ocean surfaces for the past 30 years, as noted earlier. It illustrates the effects of La Niña events are not the opposite of El Niño events. In fact, the satellite-based sea surface temperature data indicates that, when major El Niño events are followed by La Niña events, they can and do act together to cause upward shifts in the sea surface temperature anomalies of the Atlantic, Indian and West Pacific Oceans. And since the Eastern Pacific Ocean has not warmed in 30 years, those ENSO-induced upward shifts in the Atlantic-Indian-West Pacific data are responsible for practically all of the global sea surface temperature warming for the last 3 decades.

I have been presenting and illustrating those ENSO-caused upward shifts for more than 3 years. I have plotted the data, discussed and animated the process of ENSO using numerous datasets: sea surface temperature, sea level, ocean currents, ocean heat content, depth-averaged temperature, warm water volume, sea level pressure, cloud amount, precipitation, the strength and direction of the trade winds, etc. And since cloud amount for the tropical Pacific impacts downward shortwave radiation (visible light) there, I’ve presented and discussed that relationship as well. The data associated with those variables all confirm how the processes of ENSO work for my readers. They also show and discuss how those upward shifts are caused by processes of ENSO. I’ve written so many posts on ENSO that it is impractical for me to link them here. A very good overview is provided in this post, or you may prefer to read the additional comments on the cross post at WattsUpWithThat.

James, you are more than welcome to use the search function at my website to research the process of ENSO. With all modesty, I have to say there’s a wealth of information there. I’ve assembled that same information in my book If the IPCC was Selling Manmade Global Warming as a Product, Would the FTC Stop their deceptive Ads? You might prefer the book since then you’d have a single source of more detailed discussions on the topics presented in this memo. It also illustrates and discusses how the climate models used by the IPCC in their 4th Assessment Report show no skill at being able to reproduce the global surface temperature record since 1901. Using those IPCC climate models in another group of comparisons, it shows that there are no similarities, none whatsoever, between how the sea surface temperatures of the individual ocean basins have actually warmed over the past 30 years and how the climate models show sea surface temperatures should have warmed if carbon dioxide was the cause. An overview of my book is provided in the above-linked post. Amazon also provides a Kindle preview that runs from the introduction through a good portion of Section 2. That’s about the first 15% of the book. Refer also to the introduction, table of contents, and closing in pdf form here. My book is written for those without technical backgrounds so someone like you with a deep understanding of climate science will easily be able to grasp what’s presented.

In closing, I was sort of surprised to see your May 10, 2012 opinion in the New York Times. I had discussed in the second part of my August 21, 2011 memo to you and Makiko Sato that ENSO, not carbon dioxide, is responsible for the recent 30-year rise in global sea surface temperatures. You must not have read that memo. Hopefully, you’ll read this one.

Sincerely,

Bob Tisdale

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May 12, 2012 3:18 pm

To Bob Tisdale,
Has there been any comment on your work, positive or negative, from recognised climate scientists. eg Pielke Sr, Spencer, Curry,,,,?

stpaulchuck
May 12, 2012 3:30 pm

“Who ya gonna believe… your stupid ENSO measured data or my computer model?” – Hansen et al

John F. Hultquist
May 12, 2012 3:42 pm

Bob Tisdale 2:22
“Why are you introducing paleoclimatology on this thread?”

Let me expand on Bob’s point. Rant alert // This post was a letter Bob wrote making reference to many other posts that were presentations he has made earlier. The comments and questions seen today about the information in those presentations is 99.44% repetitions of comments made when first posted by Bob on his site or here on WUWT. The other 0.66% seems to be bubbles floated by folks unfamiliar with the many previous presentations and with Bob’s interests and methods. This gets to be somewhat like having a questions about multiplication and division in a calculus class. Can’t anyone stay on topic. // Rant over

Editor
May 12, 2012 3:59 pm

blackswhitewash.com says: “Call me a sceptic, but this seems to be more about promoting a book than a genuine attempt to contact anyone.”
There never was or will be any attempt on my part to contact Hansen. This was simply a different format for a post. I’ve used it once before. See:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/08/21/another-giss-miss-tisdale-calls-out-hansen-and-sato-on-failed-predictions/
The cross post here at WUWT for the last one was the top WordPress post for a while.
http://i45.tinypic.com/2eztsuo.jpg
I wanted to see if it would work again this time, but it didn’t.
Regarding promoting a book, every post that I’ve written since publishing my book has a reference to it.

IAmDigitap
May 12, 2012 4:06 pm

Look this might be offtopic for this very thread; nevertheless I’ve been over at Topix taking some scalps this morning, snorting and insulting warmer crazies, and here’s the way this whole thing shakes out as far as ‘deceptive practices’ –
You’ve got some men who told everybody they calculated doomsday
to within a few tenths of a degree
using ‘speshul mayuth that aint like other mayuth’, it’s – wait for it – Climate Math
This ‘speshul mayuth’ gives up hockey sticks from calibration data, but the smartest men in the world furiously taught it to each other for YEARS as they insisted we all had to suspend civilization on their word,
based on scrawls they thought were math,
and HERE’S the KICKER:
Said “Kal-kyuH-Lay-ShUns” were DONE
on INFORMATION RETURNED from MAGICAL T.R.E.E.M.O.M.E.T.E.R.S that, unknown to EVERYONE ELSE on EARTH,
comprise TREES: with TIME MACHINES built in, FUNCTIONING as THERMAL SENSORS accurate to WITHIN TENTHS of a DEGREE.
Now: these TREEMOMETERS which are TENTHS-ACCURATE heat sensors
are unaffected UTTERLY by that
“LIGHT-canopy, HEAT-canopy, HEAT roots, WATER-canopy, WATER-roots, WATER QUALITY-roots (dissolved oxygen),POLLUTANTS-canopy, POLLUTANTS-roots, SOIL-quantity, SOIL-texture, ***SIXTEEN NUTRIENT ELEMENTS IN P.R.O.P.O.R.T.I.O.N.***
thing.
Now the same people who CLAIM they ‘believe’ in this obviously criminal-level TRIPE passed as science,
ALSO WANT TO TELL YOU THEY HAVE NEVER REALLY BEEN ABLE TO GET THE EXACT AMOUNT of ATMOSPHERIC INFRARED GROWTH down pat,
EVEN though there is a FULLY DEVELOPED and FUNCTIONAL INFRARED ASTRONOMY FIELD that can – and we all know HAS checked for RISING ATMOSPHERIC INFRARED in the applied spectrums: nah, IT’S UN-KNOWABLE.
Bull$#!+.
Period.
It’s fraud,
it’s crime,
and it’s time to indict.

Editor
May 12, 2012 4:09 pm

hillrj says: “Has there been any comment on your work, positive or negative, from recognised climate scientists. eg Pielke Sr, Spencer, Curry,,,,?”
Roger Pielke Sr. has cross posted or recommended or referred to my posts about 20 times:
http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.com/?s=tisdale
As you will note, Roger also recommended my book.
http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2012/05/03/roger-pielke-sr-and-bishop-hill-discuss-if-the-ipcc-was-selling-manmade-global-warming-as-a-product/

Rhoda R
May 12, 2012 4:15 pm

To Robbie and all those who natter on about pal-reviewed publishing: Setting aside that this post is a response to an opinion piece and not a scientific dissertation, I would suggest that ethical blogs – such as WUWT – have more eyes on them that the current “scientific” publications. Anyone who is brave enough to post scientific data/findings here is automatically be reviewed by experts from a lot of fields and probably more thoroughly than any normal review. Even as the print media is tanking (partially due to their attempt to ‘gate keep’ what is presented to their publications) I would suspect that the specialty printing from scientific journals will also fail – for much the same reason.

X Anomaly
May 12, 2012 4:16 pm

Here’s my two cents.
I don’t believe ENSO can explain much of the warming. Besides the inter annual ups and downs, ENSO describes very little of the warming trend. However, the idea that ENSO has something very important to do with climate over the long term is a very good idea indeed, since the recent warming can only be described in my opinion as ‘not important’ -at least as far as the planet is concerned, so why does it need any cause?
I do applaud Bob for giving it a go (i.e. doing some science), unlike the efforts of the so called experts that think ….because ENSO can’t describe the warming trend, it isn’t important, which even if trivially true, absence of prove is not prove of absence, etc…
If you zoomed in to the ENSO time series and found yourself in a frame describing only a few hours, would it be possible to know what will happen next? We can see the whole darn series and we still don’t know.
PS. Bob, are you sure there has been no warming in the eastern pacific?
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/ensostuff/ONI_change.shtml
😛

Jimbo
May 12, 2012 4:18 pm

Hansen has Venus on the brain. Hansen is the former astronomer / Venus researcher and physicist turned Earth climate scientist. This maybe why we are in so much of a palaver.
Any bets when Hansen will finally raise his hand and say I got it wrong? (See his scenarios – we are on Co2 business as usual).

Ian W
May 12, 2012 4:23 pm

Bill H says:
May 12, 2012 at 9:16 am
robert barclay says:
May 12, 2012 at 9:01 am
Have you ever sen sea roll?
Its a condition where the surface tensions are changed. Salinity and sub flows in the oceans are the primary cause.. Some are caused by the expansion of gases as the water warms at lower levels, causing a rolling flow. we know that certain forms of radiation penetrate the surface of the ocean and just how are those 30 meter depths warmed? those types of radiation are commonly greater in times of low solar output.
there are lots of ways to warm the ocean. and direct sunlight does warm it.. just take temps of the ocean floor in Caribbean sands of a clear ocean.. or green matter in the first 3-9 feet of other areas… tenths of a degree matter.. especially in a pool of that size..

And
dp says:
May 12, 2012 at 9:16 am
Robert Barclay said:
Try heating water with a scource of heat, its not as straight forward as you think.
I think the science on this is not settled.
http://www.flasolar.com/heat_loss.htm

And others – infrared radiation does not penetrate more than a few microns into the water surface. Any warming it does create merely results in surface water molecules evaporating and taking the latent heat of evaporation with them. However, the higher frequencies in sunlight, visible light and ultraviolet, do penetrate deeper into the ocean and heat it. But after a few hundred meters even that light is greatly attenuated.
The result is that water will heat during the day in the sunlight while the angle of incidence is relatively obtuse after that the sunlight will be reflected/refracted and far less heat will enter the ocean. Any infrared will have no effect on water temperature. During the night the surface water will cool due mainly to the loss of latent heat of evaporation as surface water evaporates.

Jimbo
May 12, 2012 4:36 pm

Robbie says: “And where are your peer-reviewed papers about your theory described in your so called ‘unsent’ letter? I would be very interested to read them.”

Robbie, look at where you are standing.
Can you please write a letter off to the IPCC and ask them nicely to STOP USING NON-PEER REVIEWED LITERATURE when compiling it so called reports.
Furthermore, can you ask Pachauri to retract his brazen lie about the IPCC only using peer reviewed literature when compiling its reports.
References
http://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2011/01/21/grey-literature-ipcc-insiders-speak-candidly/
http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/2010/03/gray-literature-in-ipcc-tar-guest-post.html
http://www.noconsensus.org/ipcc-audit/findings-main-page.php

May 12, 2012 4:46 pm

Bob – a typically excellent post as usual. I know that the ocean instumental record is spotty and suspect for the period prior to 1960, however, I believe much stock can be placed in anecdotal records such as cod fishing histories. For example, the Vikings during the MWP, according to legend, “discovered” America by following/harvesting the cod fish. The fishing industry has known for decades that warmer waters in the North Altlantic will see much more cod fish travel into the higher latitudes, colder waters the opposite.

May 12, 2012 4:47 pm

Reposted on Weatherzone here http://forum.weatherzone.com.au/ubbthreads.php/topics/1103959#Post1103959
Thankyou for your well written and thoughtful post.

Editor
May 12, 2012 4:52 pm

X Anomaly says: “I don’t believe ENSO can explain much of the warming.”
Then you don’t understand ENSO.
X Anomaly says: “Besides the inter annual ups and downs, ENSO describes very little of the warming trend.”
And for three years, I’ve illustrated, plotting numerous supporting datasets, described, and animated data that shows that it does.

Editor
May 12, 2012 4:54 pm

Mike Busby: Thanks for the repost.

Now I Get It
May 12, 2012 5:16 pm

@ferd berple:
Isn’t it odd that water evaporation cools the water by moving faster/high temperature molecules of H2O to air AND ALSO cools the air because the freed water molecules are moving at a slower/lower temperature than the air molecules. And just the opposite happens during H2O condensation by heating BOTH the water and the air. Just doesn’t seem right somehow.
Would appear though that the overall temperature of the SYSTEM combination would depend on the energy input (solar) and loss (radiation) balance.
Bob, great post. Really increased my understanding of ENSO/La Nina/El Nino.

RockyRoad
May 12, 2012 5:17 pm

No graphs or illustrations but the picture is very clear–Hansen’s article has been refuted nicely.
Thanks for the informative post, Bob. It would be interesting to see how many hits this single post got and the average time spent per viewer. Can that be tracked in WP?

Paul Vaughan
May 12, 2012 5:19 pm

Revised mainstream solar-terrestrial narrative coming your way soon?…
NASA’s hindsight’s 20/20?…
Dickey, J.O.; & Keppenne, C.L. (1997). Interannual length-of-day variations and the ENSO phenomenon: insights via singular spectral analysis.
http://trs-new.jpl.nasa.gov/dspace/bitstream/2014/22759/1/97-1286.pdf
See figure 3a & 3b (pdf p.24 & p.25).
Updated (with more recent data) & anomalized by day of year:
Solar-Terrestrial-Climate Weave
http://i49.tinypic.com/219q848.png
This pattern can be isolated upwards of 2 dozen ways.
I’m currently adding to that total.
Those who understand this information and know how to measure variable thread lead [ http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Lead_and_pitch.png ] can model both interannual and multidecadal oscillations using sunspot numbers and earth rotation data.
The trick is to realize that, as with the differential on a car, there are TWO power inputs. It’s not just the crank (sun). Don’t forget about steering (seasons). This adds a constraint on how global AAM is partitioned (conservation of angular momentum) across hemispheres (analogous to outside vs. inside -track turning radius).
It’s good fun exploring nature to figure out how the authorities are either hopelessly blind or rudely deceptive.
Maybe the ugliness (quantitative blindness &/or social deception) will be water under the bridge moving forward?…
Depends as follows:
Administrators:
One option is to make a sensible peace offer without further delay.

May 12, 2012 5:36 pm

Excellent post Bob Tisdale!
Two problems: one possible and one definite.
The definite problem is that James will never understand that complex lengthy post. We appreciate it and thank you for posting it. Unfortunately there are some old dogs who cease to learn new things as they age. The James Hansen dog stopped learning back in the eighties. So, he’ll insist he knows better as he reads your post, all the while James no longer knows very much at all.
The possible problem is; in spite of James refusing to accept your well laid out climate science post, he’ll get very upset and excited as he reads it (if he ever does). James may not have sufficient quantities of nitroglycerin tablets on hand when he starts reading your post. I hope he does as I very much want James to live long enough for his eventual prosecution and federal funded living quarters (and daily exercise and access to the penal library). Maybe he’ll get a cell next to Gleick?

May 12, 2012 5:45 pm

In “Game Over for the Climate by James Hansen, published in The New York Times, he says, “If Canada proceeds, and we do nothing, it will be game over for the climate.” That statement leaves me dumbfounded, has he forgotten that Canada is a sovereign country? What does he think we should be doing, and who is the “we” he’s speaking to? After being called a “Denier” for 15 years, reading the climategate Emails and watching the Gleick meltdown, statements like that are just plain scary. It almost sounds like code-speak for declaring war on Canada, because we know if the US doesn’t buy the tar-sand oil, it’ll just go to China.

MattN
May 12, 2012 5:47 pm

“Does ENSO drive the temperature or does the temperature drive ENSO?”
ENSO drives temperature. We have not yet determined what drives ENSO, but I bet a cheeseburger the sun is involved…

Editor
May 12, 2012 5:56 pm

X Anomaly says: “PS. Bob, are you sure there has been no warming in the eastern pacific?”
Based on the satellite-based Reynolds OI.v2 sea surface temperature data, the trend of the volcano-adjusted sea surface temperature anomalies of the East Pacific Ocean (90S-90N, 180-80W) is negative:
http://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/3-east-pacific.png
Without the volcano-adjustment, the linear trend is basically flat at 0.006 deg C per decade:
http://oi46.tinypic.com/34t3czs.jpg
If you doubt my ability to plot data, here’s a link to one of the sources of the Reynolds OI.v2. Simply scroll down to it. It’s identified as “1982-now: 1° Reynolds OI v2 SST”:
http://climexp.knmi.nl/selectfield_obs.cgi?someone@somewhere
With respect to your link to the recent ONI adjustments, NOAA first destroyed their ERSST.v3 data when they removed the satellite-based corrections after a couple of months for political reasons and then called it ERSST.v3b. ONI data is based on the ERSST.v3b. I have no idea why they would now fool around with their ONI index, unless they’re trying to make another political statement. It’s no longer an SST anomaly dataset. La Nina events dominated the period from 1950 (the start of ONI) to 1976. Then from 1976 to about 2006 El Nino events dominated. Of course there would be a trend in the NINO3.4 SST anomaly data from 1950 to 2012.

Editor
May 12, 2012 6:00 pm

RockyRoad says: “No graphs or illustrations but the picture is very clear…”
They’re there. I provided links instead of showing them.

HR
May 12, 2012 6:11 pm

X Anomaly says:
May 12, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Here’s my two cents.
I don’t believe ENSO can explain much of the warming. Besides the inter annual ups and downs, ENSO describes very little of the warming trend.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Maybe you should be aware that one explanation for the recent hiatus in temperature is that ENSO is not co-operating. Or the reason that model data and obs are diverging is the proponderance of recent La Ninas. Your first sentance should really read “i don’t believe ENSO can explain much of the warming OR RECENT LACK OF IT” if you’re going to be completely invested in that idea.

X Anomaly
May 12, 2012 6:16 pm

With respect Bob, little you have shown can explain the warming. It doesn’t need a cause.
……It doesn’t need a specific cause, no more than an eddy in a ‘bubbling brook’ (Lindzen).
There was a recent paper which showed the RWP (recent warming period) could be attributed to negative SOI values, as could the MWP (medieval warming period), and LIA (little ice age) with la nina, there by providing a clear physical mechanism in a thousand or so year context……
In my opinion (someone who doesn’t understand ENSO) I would suggest that one thousand years would be the minimum time period for ENSO attribution, with discussions of MWP and mannian mathturbation the least of concern as far as the physics goes. I’ll go a step further than ‘the godfather’ and say even these ‘historical episodes’ are simply insignificant noise.
Here it is:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/recons.html
ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/contributions_by_author/yan2011/yan2011soipr.txt
worth a look.