Why mitigating CO2 emissions is cost-ineffective

By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley

A couple of weeks ago I appeared before the California State Assembly and told legislators that the cost of the State’s cap-and-trade legislation, which comes into full effect in August this year, will be $450 billion over a decade.

This was a deliberate underestimate. I bent over backward to see whether the Californian proposal could ever make any economic sense. The results, when I ran them through my simple model, confirmed what many have long suspected but few have calculated until now: that attempting to mitigate our sins of emission is one of the most cost-ineffective wastes of taxpayers’ money ever devised.

I had multiplied the $182-billion annual cost of California’s scheme and associated mitigation measures not by 10 but by 2.5 – a quarter of the true gross cost over a decade. The reason for effectively dividing the stated costs of California’s mitigation policies by four is that some had criticized the paper from which I obtained the $182 billion annual cost – Varshney & Tootelian, 2012 – for overstating the costs.

I should really have applied a minimum intertemporal discount rate of at least 5%, which would bring the cost down to $410 billion. In the updated figures I present in this posting, I have correctly applied that discount rate.

My model is simple and excludes costs and benefits external to CO2 mitigation: however, unlike other methods reported in the literature, it does count as a benefit of mitigation the cost of the climate-related damage caused by the warming that would occur if we did not act at once on CO2.

On the benefit side of the account, too, I have bent over backwards to try to be generous to those proposing mitigation measures. I have taken the generally exaggerated estimates of the welfare loss from climate inaction that are in the Stern report on the economics of climate change.

Briefly, Stern says that if the manmade warming of the 20th century is the 3 Celsius degrees (or 6 F°) that is the IPCC’s central projection the cost of the climate-related damage will be 0-3% of 21st-century GDP (actually, he says, “now and forever”, but that is not economic analysis: it is political rodomontade: as Margaret Thatcher might have said, “Don’t be silly, dear!”).

So the mean cost of the welfare loss estimated by Stern on the basis of 3 C° total manmade 21st-century warming is the average of 0 and 3%, i.e. 1.5%, of 21st-century GDP. This too should be discounted at 5% over the ten-year life of the scheme, giving a benefit of just 1.27% of GDP over the period.

Now, given the errors, exaggerations, and failures of prediction in the IPCC’s documents, I do not for a moment think we are going to see anything like as much as 3 C° of manmade warming by 2100. Even the IPCC expects only half of that, or 1.5 C°, to occur by 2100 as a result of the CO2 that we emit in this century. Yet it is only that 1.5 C° that CO2 mitigation measures such as those in California can possibly affect to any discernible extent.

That 1.5 C° is the maximum 21st-century warming that we could have prevented even if we had shut down all CO2 emissions in the year 2000. The remaining 1.5 C° – about half of it from non-CO2 greenhouse gases and half from warming already in the pipeline because of our past emissions – will happen regardless of measures such as those which California is trying to take.

On that basis, one should really halve the benefit that arises from preventing Stern’s mean 1.27%-of-GDP inaction cost. But let us – again generously – stick with a benefit equivalent to 1.27% of GDP if we prevent all CO2-driven warming in the 21st century.

Should the model take account of the possibility that California’s cap-and-trade scheme will create opportunities for job growth? I think not. The Friedman Multiple applies: every job artificially created via taxation destroys two jobs among the taxpaying classes: and, according to a recent Scottish report, each “green job” provided at taxpayers’ expense destroys getting on for five real jobs elsewhere.

Why has Intel said it will never again build another plant in California? Why has production of oil from the Monterey Shale been cut by more than a third since 1990, though proven reserves have increased? Why has there been a near-total moratorium on offshore oil and gas drilling in California for nigh on 40 years?

Why are there 11% jobless in California – a higher proportion than anywhere in the US except Nevada? Why are 50% unemployed in the construction industry that is supposed to benefit from retrofitting buildings with “green” technology?

Why does the State Treasury have a deficit of $6 billion for 2012/13? Why does California have unfunded pension liabilities of $250-200 billion to its senior citizens, and how is it going to pay for them if it goes on as it is?

Why have 50,000 high-net-worth Californians (one-third of the total) fled in just two years, according to the Sacramento Bee? Why did twice as many firms flee California in 2011 as in 2010? Why did Globalstar, Trizetto and eEye flee in just one month last year? Why have Boeing, Toyota, Apple, Facebook, DirecTV, Hilton Hotels, and Thomas Bros. Maps all fled?

It would be wrong to imply that these decisions to flee were a direct result of California’s cap-and-trade law, and I did not do so. The truth is that California – long dominated by entrenched, hard-Left unions and a frankly Marxist legislature – is already notorious as far and away the least business-friendly State in the Union. Cap-and-trade will merely make matters a great deal worse. The wagons are already rolling eastward: soon they will become a stampede.

When I testified in Sacramento, the first point I put to the legislators was that the declared aim of their cap-and-trade scheme is to abate 25% of California’s CO2 emissions over the decade during which it will run. But California’s emissions are only 8% of total US emissions, which in turn are only 17% of global emissions.

So, even if the cap-and-trade scheme is every bit as successful as its promoters would wish, only 0.34% of global emissions – one-third of one per cent – will be abated. There is nothing in the least controversial about this figure, except that no one seems to have pointed it out before. The legislators’ faces were a picture when I told them.

Because so small a fraction of global emissions will be abated by the scheme, simple calculations based on the IPCC’s central assumptions about how much warming will occur this century (which, for the sake of argument, I simply accepted as correct) show that as a result of the full and successful operation of the scheme global CO2 concentration will fall from 410 to – er – 409.93 parts per million by volume by the end of the decade.

Manmade radiative forcing abated would thus be less than 0.001 Watts per square meter, and the warming prevented would be – wait for it, wait for it – a staggering 0.001 Fahrenheit degrees (almost). Yup, less than one-thousandth of a Fahrenheit degree of global warming prevented, at a cost of $410 billion even after discounting to present value.

Is that a bargain for the already over-taxed, over-regulated citizenry of California? We report – you decide.

It is important to understand why measures to attempt to mitigate CO2 emissions are always going to be unaffordable. First, as the California example demonstrates, regional mitigation measures do not noticeably change the global CO2 concentration. Therefore manmade radiative forcing is scarcely altered.

So, in turn, California’s attempt to stop global warming will cause so tiny a cooling – in the present instance, under one-thousandth of a Fahrenheit degree – that no modern instrument or method can detect it. Even if California’s scheme succeeded in cutting as much as 25% of the State’s emissions (which it won’t), the State would have no way of measuring that it had succeeded in causing global cooling.

You might say, as some commentators on my presentation to the California legislators have said, that of course California cannot make much difference by going it alone. Everyone else must follow California’s leadership in closing down as much of their economies as possible. So let us cost that unattractive option.

A little further elementary math will show that the cost of abating 1 Fahrenheit degree of global warming by worldwide measures as spectacularly cost-ineffective as those of California will be close to $640 trillion – rather more than the $454 trillion I had originally estimated, because I had been too generous with the value of the centennial-scale climate-sensitivity parameter.

Its value should not exceed 0.4 Kelvin per Watt per square meter, whereas I had generously adopted the bicentennial-scale parameter at 0.5 Kelvin per Watt per square meter that is implicit in IPCC (2007), p. 13, Table SPM.3.

To put all of this in context, the cost of abating the one-third of a Fahrenheit degree of warming that the IPCC imagines will happen over the decade of the scheme, if everyone worldwide were crazy enough to adopt measures as laughably cost-ineffective as these, would be $25,000 per head of the world population, or one-third of global GDP over a decade. This would be 26 times the cost enduring the welfare loss that might arise from the global warming we fail to prevent if we do nothing.

I deliberately used very cautious assumptions in my presentation to the Assembly in Sacramento, and told the legislators that action would only cost 11 times inaction.

For various reasons, I should expect the cost-ineffectiveness of California’s scheme (which is by no means untypical of such schemes) to be considerably worse than any of the figures I have cited above.

For a start, it is not at all likely that the scheme will succeed in abating 25% of California’s emissions. The EU and New Zealand schemes have failed to make any noticeable dent in emissions, and the EU scheme – for the fourth successive time – is collapsing as the cost of the right to emit a ton of CO2 has fallen below $8. It nosedived yet again earlier this week, and – if things go on as they are – could end up like the now-failed Chicago Carbon Exchange, where the unit price fell below 10 cents.

The EU’s dictators, of course, have the power artificially to cut the quantity of permits available and so boost the price. That is why cap-and-trade is not, repeat not, a market mechanism. It is a tyrant’s wet dream and a businessman’s nightmare, which is why heavily-emitting businesses are getting out of Europe, just as they will soon be joining the flood of businesses already fleeing California.

For these and many other reasons, my model actually tends to overstate the warming that any CO2-reduction policy may abate, and also to understate cost-ineffectiveness. For instance, the IPCC takes CO2’s mean atmospheric residence time as 50-200 years: if so, little mitigation will occur within the 21st century.

Also, my numbers assume that any policy-driven reduction in CO2 concentration occurs at once, when it would be likely to occur stepwise between the starting and ending years, halving the warming otherwise abated by that year and doubling the cost-ineffectiveness.

If the IPCC’s central projections (on which my figures are based) continue to exaggerate the warming that may arise from a given increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration, the cost-effectiveness may be less than shown.

So far, there has been no global warming at all since 2001. In fact, on the latest data from the Hadley Centre and the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, there has been no statistically-significant warming for fully 15 years.

Of course, such periods of temperature stasis are quite frequent in the record. They do not imply there will be no further warming. But they do constrain the rate of warming, which has been and remains far too slow to come close to the IPCC’s unjustifiably alarmist central estimate.

Also, though CO2 emissions are rising in accordance with the IPCC’s A2 emissions scenario, CO2 concentration growth has been near-linear for a decade. Outturn by 2100 may well be considerably below the IPCC’s mean estimate of 700 ppmv.

The climate-sensitivity parameter that I use is centennial-scale: accordingly, over the shorter periods covered by the studies a lesser coefficient (allowing for the fact that longer-term temperature feedbacks may not yet have acted) is appropriate. Consequently, less warming abated would again reduce mitigation cost-effectiveness.

Finally, my calculations ignore all opportunity losses from diverting resources to global-warming mitigation. However, the businesses that are already fleeing the business-hating People’s Republic of California cannot afford to ignore such vital considerations. That is why any individual and any firm in California with any get-up-and-go is getting up and going or has already gotten up and gone.

The figures I have cited here are a deliberately much-simplified but nevertheless highly revealing method of combining the central climatological projections of the IPCC with the standard economic techniques of intertemporal analysis so as to allow even non-specialist policy-makers rapidly to reach a not unreliable first approximation of the costs and benefits of policies to mitigate CO2 emissions.

My method is unique in two respects. First, no one has previously combined the IPCC’s climatology with economic methods so straightforwardly before. Secondly, the method, for the first time, allows even localized policies to be evaluated and compared with competing policies on any scale.

If anyone would like a copy of the paper that explains the method and justifies the equations, please get in touch. (monckton at mail dot com) I’ll be happy to send it to you, and I’ll welcome your comments. I can’t post it up because, after I presented these ideas at the Third Santa Fe Climate Conference in November last year, I have been asked to submit the paper to a learned journal and the final draft is just about to go out to the reviewers.

One of my Noble Friends tells me he has sent the analysis to the chief economic adviser to the UK Treasury, which, however, cannot do much about it because all British environmental policy is now set by the unelected Kommissars of Brussels. His message to the mandarins: “As they say on the London insurance market, ‘When the premium exceeds the cost of the risk, don’t insure.’”

Since the opportunity cost of mitigation is heavy (just watch all those wagons rollin’ away from the extravagantly pointless over-regulation and over-taxation in California), the question arises whether CO2 mitigation should be attempted at all.

Economically speaking, the bottom line is brutally simple and entirely clear. CO2 mitigation policies inexpensive enough to be affordable are likely to prove ineffective, while policies costly enough to be effective will be unaffordable.

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John F. Hultquist
April 4, 2012 2:17 pm

Alexej Buergin says:
April 4, 2012 at 8:53 am
The EU wants to have a trade war over their ETS, which might be exactely the right stimulus for the new B-747 to make a comeback against the A-380.
Does anyone have a idea about how big the influence of ETS on world temperature is supposed to be?

Only to the nearest whole number: 0

Mac the Knife
April 4, 2012 2:18 pm

Tim Mantyla says:
April 4, 2012 at 10:31 am
“BTW, sorry for the misspellings and grammatical errors. My droid phone is having a really rough time with entering text on this website.”
Read your various posts, Tim.
Me’thinks it is the droid running the phone that is having a rough time accepting the data driven realities presented on this site. Citing RealClimate has the intellectual credibility of citing Dawson and Woodward’s reconstruction and analysis of Piltdown Man as ‘scientific consensus’ and settled science. All following communications from one such become immediately discounted by reasoning and knowledgeable participants..
Tim, your 1st step on the road to recovery from NWDS (Natural Warming Deniers Syndrome) is to admit you have a problem. Take some Mylanta and let me know if you are ready to take that step. I’ll coach you through the other 11 steps as you can manage them.
MtK (BS and MS – Metallurgical Engineering)

Peter
April 4, 2012 2:32 pm

Mr. Monckton says:
…as I pointed out in the posting, I had taken not their [V&T’s] high-end annual cost of cap-and-trade and related anti-CO2 measures ($402 billion) but the direct annual cost only ($182 billion), and I had multiplied it not by 10 for a full decade but only by 2.5, effectively dividing the direct cost by four. I had deliberately erred on the side of caution, here as elsewhere throughout the analysis.
Taking a nonsense number and multiplying it by a “conservative” fraction doesn’t make it any less a nonsense number. The fact is that your entire economic analysis –at least what you’ve written above– is based on a sloppy report paid for by a small business group and thoroughly panned by economists far and wide.
Economic input-output analysis is garbage in-garbage out. I’ve only heard of IMPLAN used in the context of paid consulting studies where somebody wants to make a public policy point and contrives a bunch of numbers to make a case their client is paying them to make. That’s exactly what the V&T report looks like.
The fact is, AB32 passed years ago, is the law of the land in CA, and started taking effect on Jan. 1 of this year. So if you say it’s at least 25% right, shouldn’t that mean that CA employment should drop by something on the order of 600,000 or 700,000 this year (one-quarter of the report’s job loss prediction)? So far that has not come to pass.

Tim Mantyla
April 4, 2012 2:34 pm

[snip. Read the site Policy, and quit name-calling. ~dbs, mod.]

Crispin in Johannesburg
April 4, 2012 3:00 pm

Mantyla says:
BTW, sorry for the misspellings and grammatical errors. My droid phone is having a really rough time with entering text on this website.
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Don’t worry. It fits well with the accuracy of the rest of your postings.
Suzuki?? Get real. The population bomb scare was over when he still had no grey hair.
Real Climate?? They couldn’t de-bunk a drunken sailor.

Alexander K
April 4, 2012 3:08 pm

Viscount Christopher Monckton of Benchley has proved once again that reporting the truth accurately is a wonderful recipe for the very finest and funniest satire.

ParmaJohn
April 4, 2012 3:10 pm

Good try, but your calculations are meaningless. Before any new policies will have passed the Sacramento legislature or even the hallowed halls of Brussels Rio +20 will have set new and binding economic rules. I hope your model has been equipped to convert all units from US$ to Personal Happiness Unit of Currency (go ahead–use the acronym).
The new calculations will show geometrically expanding rates of return on investment. Starting with China the world’s populations will be queuing up for original California hairshirts once it becomes glaringly obvious how happiness is gained by throwing off our hateful dependencies on gasoline and electricity. That state’s moral example has always shown the way to the blighted masses–they even brought us right-turn-on-red!

Tim Mantyla
April 4, 2012 3:17 pm

Clearly I am not a troll, unless you define troll as someone who tries to present truth in the face of massive ignorance and willful disregard for truth.
@J.Felton “By your logic we should not listen to you, because you are not a scientist. ”
Yours is a facetious argument. I did not say “Believe me.” Nor did I claim to be a scientist. I pointed you to scientific websites–but no one else on the site did to back claims against human-caused global warming (AGW). Yet others agree with them, no investigation or analysis necessary…hmmm, fishy. Scientists provide the evidence, which is sorely lacking on this site. (Okay, I didn’t mention where to find the most authoritative information, on IPCC reports and their website–so here it is: http://www.ipcc.ch/)
Yours isn’t even an argument, it’s an apples to oranges comparison. Readers here are lauding Monckton as if he were a sage or saint based on others’ opinions (which seem largely based on even others’ opinions). They fail to evaluate his history, character, acumen, training and potential ties to industry (vested interests).
Treat him like a priest or Jesus, that’s your right–but it’s not good policy or representative of scientific inquiry. It’s okay to act like a sheep or lemming, but it’s bad for humanity and the ecology to form policy based on it. And that’s what I am exposing here, among other problems.
I am not a scientist, but I am capable, after many years of research, of sifting wheat from chaff, and of understanding the scientific method and its power vs. mere opinion, hearsay and belief on the intermingled issues of global warming and climate change.
Also it is absolutely pathetic that you cannot answer a point with scientific evidence…instead you try (fail) to lead readers away from an obvious inability to debate and present evidence for your points.That is mere distraction. It is laughable…and it’s laughable that you cannot understand the ideas I present in my article on creativity. To each his own: Remain a sophomore, or choose to learn.
Dubrasich
@Monckton of Benchley
Also, to say that someone’s (Mike Dubrasich) opinions are ignorant is not an ad hominem attack. That is the definition of ignorance: “lacking knowledge of the thing specified”.
I did not defame you (or Monckton), but positions/ideas–which are very different. Reread my post. To state things contrary to observed fact IS ignorant. (It is, ironically, ignorant to confuse the two. And, all right, it’s actually impure, not “pure ignorance”–since the information that led him to believe such lies is impure–it is fraudulent. To believe such false statements in the face of massive evidence to the contrary is ignorant, reveals a lack of willingness–or ability–to reasonable evaluate statements.
Now, as to your claim that global warming is not happening: Seriously? Check out the CIA’s and the U.S. military’s recent reports on how climate change–specifically global warming–will lead and IS leading to starvation, crop loss, land degradation and political destabilization, and consequent treat of war and other mass social problems. For which we must prepare. If that’s not serious enough for you, I can’t figure out what is.
As for the evidence, it is all over the Internet on scientific websites. Look it up. Don’t just cherry-pick and believe the rare scientist (usually discredited) who disagrees. That’s just…ignorant.
By the way, if conservatives, who typically support a strong defense, need a justification for a larger defense budget, they can use…the envelope please…global warming! Ahhh, the irony.
Mr. Dubasich, if you choose to feel slighted by presenting opinions which do not fit with established science, I am sorry you feel upset. But the facts are the facts. You are entitled to your own opinions, but facts exist independent of those opinions. I did not not do the science, I merely looked it up. And I revealed facts in contrast with information that was falsely and ignorantly presented as fact.

Tim Mantyla
April 4, 2012 3:32 pm

[snip. Read the site Policy. ~dbs, mod.]

Tim Mantyla
April 4, 2012 3:41 pm

[snip. You may not label anyone as a denier, denialist, or any derivation of that pejorative, per site Policy. ~dbs, mod.]

April 4, 2012 3:46 pm

Tim Mantyla,
Thank you for your beliefs. However, if we remove your appeals to authority arguments and your constant sniping at Monckton of Brenchley, there isn’t really much left except RealClimate-type anti-science opinion. Better get back to RC; they probably lost 5% of their viewers when you came here to the internet’s Best Science site.

Tim Mantyla
April 4, 2012 3:49 pm

RE: the “exponential” population growth and the peril the Earth faces…
I seem to be using the wrong terminology here on the rate of population growth. No matter for now. Sn you are technically correct, Mr. Monckton.
The main point, and the most vital one, which many seem to be avoiding, is that we have ALREADY exceeded our safe, healthy human capacity on the planet. The degradation of land, sea and air is powerful evidence, and so is the mass starvation, social ills, and other problems rampant around the globe.
If we can’t get our act together enough to stop all pollution, homelessness, poverty, and most environmental degradation–then we are in real trouble. Those of us who live in the US, in our bubbles of economic contentment with cushy jobs and cars and homes are not living the nightmare 90% of the planet must endure. No wonder you feel no need to change: Ignorance indeed is bliss!
Indeed, what is the human purpose?? To live and die in our own excrement, pushed out b.y the collective, rampant, uncontrollable industrial rectum?
I hope to wake you up. Slumber is joy…but we must all face reality, and denying climate change and our role in it is only part of a cushy, false dream that is thoroughly debunked by FACTS. If you stay asleep and ignorant, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.
Intelligent, compassionate, activists like me are the cure. You could be, too–if you merely accept realities as they are, not as you desperately wish.

dana1981
April 4, 2012 4:12 pm

Monckton entirely misses the point that the $182 billion figure has no basis in reality to begin with.
[snip. Enough free advertising for that unreliable blog. Make your best arguments on your own. ~dbs, mod.]
There’s a phrase ‘skeptics’ like to use – garbage in, garbage out. That accurately describes Monckton’s “analysis” here.

Ally E.
April 4, 2012 4:22 pm

kim2ooo says:
April 4, 2012 at 11:27 am
MODERATOR: REMINDER to commenters: Don’t feed the trolls, but do visit http://timmantyla.wordpress.com/ for a good laugh…. brains….BRAINS!
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But he told me not to go to a dishwasher repairman for plumbing help…But sent me to a fruit-fly scientist for AGW 🙂 🙂
O’kay I’ll be good 😉
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Love this! Kim2000, I think you’re great. 🙂

tango
April 4, 2012 4:32 pm

we will beat you all we are starting our carbon tax 1st of july in australia . please look and see now long it takes for us to go down the drain. the gillard gov’t is already borrowing $100,000,000 per day. god help australia

April 4, 2012 4:35 pm

Dear Viscount,
You state …preventing warmer weather is many times costlier than letting it happen and paying the cost of adapting to it in a focused way.
Please specify the alleged “costs” of warmer weather, and while you’re at it, please specify the benefits.
I think you’ll find that the costs are negligible while the benefits are appreciable. Why prevent something of huge benefit, even if you could do it cheaply? Let us not kill golden geese, even if we have a handy ax. (Which we don’t, I agree with you on that part.)
PS to Tim — Assuage your guilt; I don’t feel slighted or upset by your ignorance.

Gail Combs
April 4, 2012 4:35 pm

Tim Mantyla says:
April 4, 2012 at 10:09 am
, @mushroomgeorge
You can’t add billions of people to the world population, because we are in a test tube.
Look up scientist David Suzuki’s analysis of the situation.
We are even now headed for a massive catastrophe in human population,
ecological disaster, a mass extinction event in the oceans within 50 years
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Suzuki is no scientist he is an activist. His degee is in bio (fruit flies) but he never really used it.
The Human population is already on its way down in many countries. Even South American countries have reasonable fertility rates close to replacement and Canada, Australia, the EU, NZ, China and the USA are at or well below replacement. Even India has a FR = 2.58 (replacement is FR = 2.1) The only countries with high rates are Africa and some of South East Asia. This is countered by a high infant/child/childbirt death rate to some extent. The under-five mortality rate for sub-Saharan Africa as a whole, at 175 per thousand… Nearly half of the estimated 515,000 women who die annually from pregnancy or child birth are African. With 1,100 deaths per 100,000 births, African women are nearly three times more likely to die than women in the region with the next highest rates, South Asia. According to a 1995 UN study, one African woman in 13 will die during pregnancy or childbirth.
References:
Fertility Rate = This entry gives a figure for the average number of children that would be born per woman if all women lived to the end of their childbearing years and bore children according to a given fertility rate at each age. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2127rank.html
Infant mortality rate https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html
Mortality rate, under-5 http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.DYN.MORT?display=defaulthttps%253A%2F%25252Fwww.cia.gov%2Flibrary%2Fpublications%2Fthe-world-factbook%2Ffields%2F2102.html

Editor
April 4, 2012 4:37 pm

Tim Mantyla says: April 4, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Intelligent, compassionate, activists like me are the cure. You could be, too–if you merely accept realities as they are, not as you desperately wish.

Mr. Mantyla, do you have any idea just how pompous, arrogant, condescending and ignorant you sound? You certainly don’t have command of the facts and you are utterly oblivious to the qualifications of the people at this site you so freely deride. Tool.

Michael D Smith
April 4, 2012 5:10 pm

RobW says:
April 4, 2012 at 11:36 am
Another pesky little fact. according to the world experts on ice the global average ice coverage is actually +0.16 thousand sq. kilometers. (Arctic -0.3, Antarctic +0.46).
You mean now we have TOO MUCH sea ice? Wow, first Obama makes the sea level fall, and now THIS? He’s much better than I thought. Next thing you know, global temperatures will be falling. Oh, uh, they are? Amazing. I wonder if he’s a forcing or a feedback.

Gail Combs
April 4, 2012 6:06 pm

Tim Mantyla says: April 4, 2012 at 3:49 pm
….The main point, and the most vital one, which many seem to be avoiding, is that we have ALREADY exceeded our safe, healthy human capacity on the planet. The degradation of land, sea and air is powerful evidence, and so is the mass starvation, social ills, and other problems rampant around the globe…..
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The USA is in better shape than it has been for a hundred years. We now have more forests because wood is no longer burned for warmth. Mother Nature Network reports More trees than there were 100 years ago? It’s true! Protection and responsible harvesting are the reasons behind the success story. Pollution has been cleaned up since I was a kid in the fifties and sixties. We no longer dump chemicals and raw sewage into our rivers among other things. This shows a healthy, wealthy economy thanks to cheap energy PROTECTS the environment. All you have to do is look at the pollution in China to see the difference.
Mass starvation is not because of a lack of food but because of manipulation by the World Trade Organization, and Goldman Sachs among others. President Clinton admitted it TWICE.
You can lay much of the “social ills, and other problems rampant around the globe” directly at the World Bank’s or IMF’s door steps. This is the same World Bank that is squarely behind CAGW. The same World Bank that provided Robert Watson as leader of the IPCC. Therefore it should be no surprise that the Guardian UK reported “The UN Copenhagen climate talks are in disarray today after developing countries reacted furiously to leaked documents … The so-called Danish text, a secret draft agreement worked on by a group of individuals known as “the circle of commitment”… hands effective control of climate change finance to the World Bank
Oh and in case you were wondering the Mass Media that you are getting your info from was controlled by J P Morgan (bank) in 1917 and still is now.
CHEAP abundant energy is the solution to everything you are complaining about.
This is an example of what fuel and the fertilizer produced from oil has done to food production in the USA. (From http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blfarm1.htm )
In 1830 it took 250-300 labor-hours to produce 100 bushels of wheat from 5 acres with a walking plow, brush harrow, hand broadcast of seed, sickle, and flail.
In 1930 -it took 15-20 labor-hours to produce 100 bushels of wheat from 5 acres with a 3-bottom gang plow, tractor, 10-foot tandem disk, harrow, 12-foot combine, and trucks. (Average annual consumption of commercial fertilizer: 6,599,913 tons)
In 1987 it took 3 labor-hours to produce 100 bushels of wheat from 3 acres with tractor, 35-foot sweep disk, 30-foot drill, 25-foot self-propelled combine, and trucks.
Why in heck do you want to go back to spending every daylight hour following the north end of a south facing mule and other back breaking labor? Why do you want to reduce well over 70% of us back to serfdom doing manual labor on corporate farms?

Gail Combs
April 4, 2012 6:16 pm

Monroe says:
April 4, 2012 at 9:09 am
There’s quite the underground economy in Cali and I think it will grow by leaps and bounds in the next few years.
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Even an underground economy needs energy. I expect most of that underground economy will be Latino. They are already adapting. Roosters and chickens and pigs in urban L.A., oh my! “In Southeast L.A., the black population has dropped from 71% in 1980 to 24% in the 2000 census; the Latino population grew from 27% in 1980 to 74% in 2000.”

Gail Combs
April 4, 2012 6:24 pm

Some are critical of the study Lord Monckton used. Here is the rebutal to the critisms by the authors of the paper.

March 23, 2010 07:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Statement from Dr. Sanjay Varshney and Dr. Dennis Tootelian Regarding Recent LAO Analysis of AB 32 Study and the Study of the California Cost of Regulations
A recent analysis from California’s Legislative Analyst’s Office (LAO) questioned the methodology of a study on the costs of AB 32 implementation that Dr. Sanjay Varshney and Dr. Dennis Tootelian conducted on behalf of the California Small Business Roundtable. We are pleased that our study has garnered so much attention and comments because the issue of economic impacts is vitally important to California. We also note that the LAO has reached similar conclusions as we have about the California Air Resources Board’s (CARB) economic impact analysis.
We stand by the findings of our research, and emphasize that the costs of AB 32 are materializing quickly as utilities announce sky-high rate increases, and still the economic benefits of AB 32 are yet to be seen. In this way, the facts are supportive of our research predictions. The methodology that was employed in our report was beneficial in accounting for the variables; our approach was practical and relevant to the current economic reality. Furthermore, our report on the cost of regulations for small business was based on the 2005 federal study by Mark Crain which uses ordinal rankings and relies on other studies – a common approach in academic research. …. http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20100323007307/en/Statement-Dr.-Sanjay-Varshney-Dr.-Dennis-Tootelian

April 4, 2012 6:28 pm

Monckton of Brenchley said:

Another bottom line: if we want to minimize the total environmental footprint of Man by bringing down the global population growth rate to replacement level, we need to raise standards of living worldwide. And the cheapest and most effective way to do that is to give affordable, fossil-fueled electricity to those who don’t have it yet. For this reason, the biggest threat to the Earth’s environment is environmentalists.

I’m not sure that is logical. It seems as though you are saying that giving the world’s poor a washing machine and wiring it to the grid will bring down the birth rate. On the contrary, we are not going to “give” anyone anything, we are going to trade and then poor will increase their skills and productivity until they are no longer poor. The quickest way for them to become more productive is the use of labor saving devices that typically require energy. But labor saving devices need not be energy intensive. It does not follow that simply using more energy is an effective way to reduce the birth rate.

Gail Combs
April 4, 2012 6:53 pm

A bit more support for California job loss.
You know it is getting bad when someone is in the business of helping other companies flee from Calif.

Business Relocation Coach Calif. Business Departures Increasing — Now Five Times Higher Than In 2009
Costs are illustrated by the fact that a business leaving the City of Los Angeles for a nearby county can save up to 20% in costs while moving to another state can save up to 40% in costs….
Today, California is experiencing the fastest rate of disinvestment events based on public domain information, closure notices to the state, and information from affected employees in the three years since a specialized tracking system was put into place.
Out-of-state economic development officials are traveling through the state to alert frustrated business owners and corporate executives to their friendlier business climate versus California’s hostility toward commercial enterprises….

And as businesses leave so do the government jobs. California lost the most government jobs since the beginning of the recession, according to a new analysis. It shed 126,300 federal, state and local government jobs. “California lost 5.02% of its government jobs, going from 2,514,800 to 2,388,500… Only one state, California, lost more than 100,000 government positions during the four-year period of the analysis. And in the private sector, the Golden State lost 855,200 jobs…”

California suffered the greatest loss of jobs and businesses of all sizes during recession, according to a new analysis by the Small Business & Entrepreneurship Council.
California ranked dead last from 2007 to 2009 in:

Jobs lost: 937,941
Total establishments lost: 34,166
Lost businesses with fewer than 100 employees: 32,160
Lost businesses with 100 to 499 employees: 1,841
Lost businesses with more than 500 employees: 165

California is hemorrhaging and the politicians are sticking their heads in the sand.

Greg House
April 4, 2012 6:59 pm

rgbatduke says:
April 4, 2012 at 9:53 am
“Monckton openly acknowledges that CO_2 is a greenhouse gas, that greenhouse warming is an important contributor to global mean temperatures in the energy balance differential equations, and that humans have contributed to increases in CO_2 concentration in the atmosphere, because all of these things are true — experimentally and empirically confirmed facts. So do all reasonable skeptics familiar with the science and evidence, including myself.”
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The expression “reasonable sceptics” suggests somehow, that other sceptics are not reasonable, that’s why I believe that the neutral tern “moderate/sceptical warmists” would do a better job.
As for “all of these things are true”, I would like to say 2 things.
First, the calculation of the “global warming” is based on something scientifically unproven. Just read this and judge for yourself: http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/1987/1987_Hansen_Lebedeff.pdf .
Second, the idea about warming “greenhouse gasses” is very old and was debunked long ago in 1909 by Professor Wood: http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/sci/wood_rw.1909.html . Unfortunately, a lot of people do not know that and the IPCC somehow for absolutely unfathomable reasons (lol) failed to mention it.
Lord Monckton is a good and unfortunate example of a misled in that respect person. He knows about the experiment of John Tyndall, possibly also about the theory of Arrhenius, but this is not enough.