Readers may recall this piece Monckton’s Schenectady showdown in which he schools a number of students despite “en-masse” collections (to use Donald Rodbell’s words) of naysayers. Mr. Rodbell and Erin Delman, pictured below, wrote this essay (which I’ve excerpted below) in their student newspaper The Concordiensis, citing their angst that Monckton was speaking.
A lord’s opinion can’t compete with scientific truth
Erin Delman (left), President of the Environmental Club, debates with Monckton – photo by Charlotte Lehman | Department Chair and Professor of Geology Donald Rodbell (right) asks Lord Christopher Monckton a question at the event on the “other side” of global warming. – photo by Rachel Steiner, Concordiensis
By Donald Rodbell and Erin Delman in Opinions | March 7, 2012
As Earth scientists, we were torn. The College Republicans and the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT) were hosting Lord Monckton, a globally recognized climate skeptic, on Mon., March 5, and we were not quite sure how to respond. Frankly, the sentiment vacillated between utter disgust and sheer anger. On one hand, it seemed ludicrous to give Monckton a second of time or thought. On the other, however, dismissing him and allowing his speech without rejection risked that he would have an impact, and a dangerous one at that.
And thus, the college environmentalists – including Environmental Club members, the leaders and members of U-Sustain, concerned citizens, and renowned Earth scientists with PhDs from prestigious research institutions – decided to oppose the presence of Lord Monckton on our campus. We collected en-masse before his presentation to make it unambiguously clear that we would not allow such erroneous discourse to go unnoticed.
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Lord Monckton does not stand alone in his beliefs on this issue; however, 97 percent of scientists overwhelmingly oppose his viewpoint. He kept asserting that this debate must follow a rigorous, science-based approach, and that the consensus of experts is, by itself, an insufficient basis on which to decide the veracity of the evidence for significant human-induced global warming.
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Serious scientific debate cannot be carried out in the blogosphere, nor in highly charged and politically motivated presentations either by Lord Monckton or by Al Gore. The fact of the matter is that science has spoken, the overwhelming bulk of the evidence has shown very, very clearly that global warming is occurring and is at least mostly caused by humans. While scientific consensus can be wrong, it most often is not.
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Sigh, there’s that ridiculous 97% figure again. You’d think these “educated” people would bother to check such things before mindlessly regurgitating them and making themselves look like sycophants. And then there’s this: “Serious scientific debate cannot be carried out in the blogosphere…” well, then, PLEASE tell that to the RealClimate team so they stop trying to do that on the taxpayers dime.
It seems Erin Delman is training to be a professional enviro-legal troublemaker…
She is interested in pursuing a joint Ph.D. and law degree in geology and environmental law and is considering a career in environmental policy, particularly involving water rights.
…so I suppose I’m not surprised at this article. With that California background and water rights bent, I predict she’ll be joining the Pacific Institute to supplement Gleick’s mission.
Full article here: A lord’s opinion can’t compete with scientific truth
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Monckton responds in comments to that article
Monckton of Brenchley March 16, 2012 at 2:34 pm | Permalink
Oh, come off it, Professor!
By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley
Professor Donald Rodbell’s personal attack on me in Concordiensis (“A Lord’s Opinion Can’t Compete with Scientific Truth”) deserves an answer. The Professor does not seem to be too keen on freedom of speech: on learning that I was to address students at Union College, he said that he “vacillated between utter disgust and sheer anger”. My oh my!
The Professor should be reminded of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States: “Congress shall make no law … abridging the freedom of speech”. I exercised freedom of speech at Union College. The Professor may disagree with what I said (though his article is lamentably unspecific about what points in my lecture – if any – he disagreed with); but, under the Constitution, he may not deny or abridge my right to say it.
He and his fellow climate extremists ought not, therefore, to have talked of “opposing the presence of Lord Monckton”: for that would be to abridge my freedom of speech. It would have been fair enough for the Professor to talk of opposing my arguments – yet that, curiously, is what his rant in Concordiensis entirely fails to do.
The Professor says it is certain that “the world is warming, climatic patterns are changing, and humans are a driving force”. Let us look at these three statements in turn.
– The world is not warming at present. It has not been warming for almost a decade and a half, though it has been warming since 1695. In the 40 years to 1735, before the Industrial Revolution even began, the temperature in Central England (not a bad proxy for global temperatures) rose by 4 Fahrenheit degrees, compared with just 1 F° in the whole of the 20th century.
– Climatic patterns are indeed changing. But they have been changing for 4,567 million years, and they will go on changing long into the future. However, the fact of climate change does not tell us the cause of climate change.
– Humans are indeed exercising some influence. Indeed, though the Professor implies otherwise, I stated explicitly in my lecture that the IPCC might be right in saying that more than half of the warming since 1950 was caused by us. However, that tells us little about how much warming we may expect in future. My best estimate is that the CO2 we add to the atmosphere this century will cause around 1 C° of warming by 2100. But that is not far short of the IPCC’s own central estimate of 1.5 C°.
Next, the Professor asserts, without any evidence, that “97% of scientists overwhelmingly oppose [Monckton’s] viewpoint”. Overlooking the tautology (the word “overwhelmingly” should have been omitted), as far as I am aware there has been no survey of scientists or of public opinion generally to determine how many oppose my viewpoint. I am aware of two surveys in which 97% of scientists asserted that the world had warmed in the past 60 years: but, in that respect, they agree with my viewpoint. No survey has found 97% of scientists agreeing with the far more extreme proposition that unchecked emissions of CO2 will be very likely to cause dangerous global warming. And, even if there had been such a survey, the notion that science is done by head-counting in this way is the shop-worn logical fallacy of the argumentum ad populum – the headcount fallacy. That fallacy was first described by Aristotle 2300 years ago, and it is depressing to see a Professor trotting it out today.
Science is not done by headcount among scientists. It is done by measurement, observation, and experiment, and by the application of established theory to the results. Until Einstein, 100% of scientists thought that time and space were invariant. They were all wrong. So much for consensus.
Next, the Professor says I made “numerous inaccuracies and mis-statements”. Yet he does not mention a single one in his article, which really amounts to mere hand-waving. He then asserts that I have “no interest whatsoever in pursuing a truly scientific approach”. Those who were present, however, will be aware that I presented large quantities of data and analysis demonstrating that the principal conclusions of each of the four IPCC climate assessments are defective; that the warming to be expected from a doubling of CO2 is 1 C°; and that, even if 21st-century warming were 3 C°, it would still be 10-100 times cheaper and more cost-effective to do nothing now and adapt in a focused way later than to try to stop the warming by controlling CO2.
The Professor goes on to say that “the fundamental building block of all science is peer-reviewed publications”. No: rigorous thought is the cornerstone of science. That is what is lacking in the IPCC’s approach. All of its principal conclusions are based on modeling. However, not one of the models upon which it relies has been peer-reviewed. Nor is any of the IPCC’s documents peer-reviewed in the accepted sense. There are reviewers, but the authors are allowed to override them, and that is not peer review at all. That is how the IPCC’s deliberate error about the alleged disappearance of all Himalayan glaciers by 2035 was not corrected. Worse, almost one-third of all references cited in the IPCC’s 2007 Fourth Assessment Report were not peer-reviewed either. They were written by environmental campaigners, journalists and even students. That is not good enough.
Next, the Professor says that, in not publishing my own analysis of “global warming” in a reviewed journal, I am “fundamentally non-scientific”. Yet he does not take Al Gore to task for never having had anything published in a reviewed journal. Why this disfiguring double standard? The most important thing, surely, is to shut down the IPCC, whose approach – on the Professor’s own peer-review test – is “fundamentally non-scientific”.
The Professor goes on to say, “It is impossible to scrutinize [Monckton’s] methods, calculations, and conclusions without a complete and detailed peer-reviewed publication that presents the important details.” On the contrary: my slides are publicly available, and they show precisely how I reached my conclusions, with numerous references to the peer-reviewed literature and to the (non-peer-reviewed) IPCC assessment reports.
Next, the Professor says that “rather substantial errors” were pointed out to me at Union College. Yet in every case I was able to answer the points raised: and, here as elsewhere, the Professor is careful not to be specific about what “errors” I am thought to have made. I pointed out some very serious errors in the documents of the IPCC: why does the Professor look the other way when confronted with these “official” errors? Once again, a double standard seems to be at work.
The Professor ends by saying that “science has spoken” and that, “while scientific consensus can be wrong, it most often is not”. Well, the eugenics consensus of the 1920s, to the effect that breeding humans like racehorses would improve the stock, was near-universally held among scientists, but it was wrong, and it led directly to the dismal rail-yards of Oswiecim and Treblinka. The Lysenko consensus of the 1940s and 1950s, to the effect that soaking seed-corn in water over the winter would help it to germinate, wrecked 20 successive Soviet harvests and killed 20 million of the proletariat. The ban-DDT consensus of the 1960s has led to 40 million malaria deaths in children (and counting), 1.25 million of them lasts year alone. The don’t-stop-AIDS consensus of the 1980s has killed 33 million, with another 33 million infected and waiting to die.
The climate “consensus” is also killing millions by diverting billions of dollars from helping the poor to enriching governments, bureaucrats, bankers, landowners, windfarm scamsters, and environmentalist racketeers, and by denying to the Third World the fossil-fueled electricity it so desperately needs. It is time to stop the killing. If arguing for a more rational and scientifically-based policy will bring the slaughter of our fellow citizens of this planet to an end, then I shall continue to argue for it, whether the Professor likes it or not.
He should be thoroughly ashamed of himself.

It is extremely sad that our children are subjected to an overwhelmingly Liberal Educational system from K through College. The educational system is similar to the AGW nightmare we are currently facing. It’s no more than another attempt by the Progressive / Liberal camps to reach into our lives, limit our freedoms, control our politicians, and to reallocate our tax dollars as they see fit. My big question is this; Where are the adults from both sides of the argument? This whole situation is playing out like a bad Jerry Springer episode. Somewhere there has to be a group of educated and mature scientists that are willing to sit down and work this issue based on facts. Seriously, Where is Inhofe?? How can NASA be hijacked without congressional hearings? Why isn’t someone of authority questioning the historical temp data adjustments that are being made? I am a huge skeptic, and not just AGW, but with almost every decision coming out of DC these days. Everything evolving before our eyes is a back room deal aimed at special interest. Are we going to have to completely clean house in DC before honesty, integrity, and selflessness become common place again? Bad behavior has become too widely accepted. The farther this country moves away from religion the worst it gets.
Donald Rodbell and Erin Delman state the following in their article:
“Peer reviewed publications are the building blocks of all the pillars of scientific knowledge…”
They also assert the following claim as if it was an undisputed scientific fact:
“Lord Monckton does not stand alone in his beliefs on this issue; however, 97 percent of scientists overwhelmingly oppose his viewpoint.”
So my question is, from what “peer reviewed publication” did they obtain the scientific knowledge that 97 percent of scientists oppose Lord Monckton’s viewpoint? Most of the points in their article are general in nature and rightfully described as “hand waving”. But this one point is very specific. it should therefore meet their own requirements and come from peer reviewed research. Otherwise, they have only succeeded in condemning themselves with their own words.
Re Sam Geoghegan 9:25 pm:
Monckton’s claim that the Earth has not warmed in over a decade, despite a rise in atmospheric CO2 concentration 365 ppm – 395 ppm, is manifestly true.
No one, including Monckton, claims that it has not warmed since, say, 1979 or 1950 or 1880 or 1750.
Any claim that the Earth has warmed or not warmed is meaningless unless a starting point is specified. For instance, the Earth has not warmed since ~ 7500 BP, if that’s any help.
http://www.climate4you.com/images/GISP2 TemperatureSince10700 BP with CO2 from EPICA DomeC.gif
As for the other claims where the narrator says Monckton is wrong, he can no doubt answer for himself, but they seem pretty trivial to me and do not challenge his basic contention that IPCC ‘science’ is more of a belief system than science and that the organisation itself is corrupt.
As Arthur Schopenhauer says in The Art of Controversy XXXVII: “Should your opponent be in the right, but, luckily for your contention, choose a faulty proof, you can easily manage to refute it, and then claim that you have thus refuted his whole position”.
Sexton -So what do I look for in the archives to find the specific refutation of the author’s points, which includes misquoting, cherry picking and opinionation? -Is he right?
And yes, I don’t know jack about climate science-like 99.9% of pundits who have an opinion on it. -That’s what I said didn’t I?
Monckton always comes across as a sophist to me, and he regularly keeps company with flaming conservatives like Glenn Beck and Alan Jones -not that has a bearing on the facts but these people take a sceptical stance for entirely ideological reasons. I suspect they don’t know jack either.
Sam Geoghegan,
Are you really Joel Shore in disguise? Because we’re discussing facts here, not political ideology. Science has no ideology, and there are plenty of good leftist commentators here who know that CAGW is a bunch of pseudo-science bunkum.
Callme a conspiracy theorist but…
I am a geologist but I do not recognise neither Erin Delman nor Donald Rodbell as the same kind of geologist as I am, i.e., one hwo understands rocks and things. And the enormity of time…
I reckon the green movement, feeling vulnerable due to the fact that virtually all real geologists know that CAGW is a total crock of sh*t, are packing geology undergrad courses with true believers. And if Rodbell is a professor, it suggests that they have been doing this for a while and that they are succeeding in their cunning plan…
Hugh Pepper says:
March 17, 2012 at 7:43 pm
“Thank you Tom. The debunking I reference has been thoroughly done By Professor Abrahams. You can Goggle him if you wish.”
“Goggle” him???????
Smokey
I could easily get that kind of response from a warmist blog.
Sorta evasive if you think ideology doesn’t come into play. -Seriously- is that a joke?
Like I say. 99.9% of people take a stance on climate change based on ideological proclivity and the press, I don’t know where you get off thinking facts have anything to do with it.
But that’s an aside. I thought the guy in the video might have a point about Monckton, Do you think he’s infallible?
By the way- I’m equally as certain that there are plenty of people here who don’t find CAGW bunk.
Monckton of Brenchley says:
March 17, 2012 at 10:15 pm
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My thanks to Lord Monckton of Brenchley for his kind reply to my post.
I appreciate the time he found to do so, but even more so the time and the noble effort he devotes to put right a huge wrong which in the name of science is, and would be at the increasing rate, burdened on those who can least afford it.
Sam Geoghegan says: March 18, 2012 at 12:49 am
[Monckton always comes across as a sophist to me, and he regularly keeps company with flaming conservatives like Glenn Beck and Alan Jones -not that has a bearing on the facts but these people take a sceptical stance for entirely ideological reasons]
People with your level of sophistication have made similar types of statements about another person, they go like this:
“You have a benefactor that is a criminal, so you must be a criminal” (not that has a bearing on the facts)
and;
“The leader of your prior religious group is a Muslim extremist, so you must be a Muslim extremist” (not that has a bearing on the facts)
and;
“You mother was an avowed communists, so you must be an avowed communist” (not that has a bearing on the facts)
So the question to you Sam Geoghegan is: Are these valid statements to make even if they (as you indicated is the weasel word part of your post) do not have any bearing on the facts?
If these types of statements are a valid mechanism of indictment then how could such a person ever get elected?
Sam Geoghegan says: March 18, 2012 at 1:29 am
[By the way- I’m equally as certain that there are plenty of people here who don’t find CAGW bunk.]
I would go so far as to say that there are plenty of people here who don’t find CAGW at all.
Christopher Hanley
Thanks, but if choosing a trend over a short period of time is dubious, why was Monckton making the ten year cooling trend so salient in his speeches?
Aren’t you agreeing with the narrator that some of his techniques are deceiving? The narrator didn’t claim what his motives are but one can only guess.
Sam Geoghegan says:
March 18, 2012 at 12:49 am
When I said you don’t know jack, it was in response to this statement of yours, “I suspect many who know nothing, hang on every word Monckton has to say.” Many here are very well informed and have formed their own opinions without Monckton’s assistance. Myself included, though, I agree with much of what he has to say.
And yes, all of that has been thoroughly addressed. You can start here….. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/01/11/monckton-responds-to-potholer54/ But, you need to be sure and read the comments. And, you need to be able to sift through the context of much of the comments and the relevance. It’s probably better if you bring up a specific question if your actually curious. Most of them can probably be easily answered here.
I have said it lots of times before here at WUWT, but it is worth repeating again as this is a classic case:
Geologists are the most sceptical of all scientists – they, after, all do have a sound knowledge about historic climate. The exception to this, of course, are those geologists who work for government, or quasi-government, organisations – they have to toe the party line, or suffer dismissal or non-renewal of their employment/consultancy contracts.
Consequently, the opinion of most government employed geologists should be treated with extreme scepticism, as their opinions are little more than a reflection of their employment prospects.
Greg House says:
March 18, 2012 at 12:19 am
James, maybe I caused some misunderstanding trying to be concise in my previous posts.
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lol, yes, and I was trying to clarify the communication difficulties you and the others were having. I do agree with your statements, though.
Hugh Pepper says:
March 17, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Well said Smokey. You certinly have a way with words.
“Mr Monckton is universally criticized because HE has not provided “evidence” for his numerous assertions. Are you defended him? If so on what basis? And by the way, Cook and Abrahams have thoroughly debunked Monckton’s assertions. Everyone who follows this conversation must be aware of this.”
You are a [snip . . civility is a strength . . kbmod] OR just completely not of this planet. There is not one iota of thruth within your comment and not a single demostrably proven fact. Crawl down your troll hole and remain there until you have understood the’ meaning of science ‘ and facts.
Sam Geoghegan says:
March 18, 2012 at 1:59 am
Christopher Hanley
Thanks, but if choosing a trend over a short period of time is dubious, why was Monckton making the ten year cooling trend so salient in his speeches?
Aren’t you agreeing with the narrator that some of his techniques are deceiving?
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So, when the narrator deceived you about the time frame referenced, your take away is that Monckton’s truthful assertion was deceptive. Trolls are so cool!
Andrew 30
Guilt by association? I think political association influences policy, narrative in the press and public discourse. I also believe it provides support for rampant partisanship because there’s nothing more a political persuasion wants than to have one over its competition.
But first you have to establish the truth and it is obvious that in many instances, Monckton stretches it for [insert reason here]. Is his basic assertion that climate change is exaggerated -true? My guess is yes but I’m a scientific layperson.
Some of his Marxist takeover theories border on paranoia- as if to say the right aren’t complicit in metastatic growth of government as well.
Second, the argument about “stopped warming” misses the point. The AGW side can rightfully argue, that they do not mean the warming must be really continuous, they mean specifically long term trends. However, this argument about “stopped warming” is not completely useless, because a lot of people have got the impression from the pro AGW media, that the warming is continuous and catastrophic, so debunking the claims of the media is a good thing.
Greg
Most of your post I can totally agree with but not this bit (“rightfully argue”) Since 1975 apprx the agw argument has always been communicated by them, in the media, as a continuous rather than continual rise in global T. It has been only since the early 2000s that the conversation has changed to “little significant trend”. Now for sceptics that has meant “stopped” but for the agws it is resting before taking-off again with renewed vigor.
They may well “mean” to say continual but never did to my knowledge.
Or work at universities, where they face denial of tenure and grants, at the very least.
The Monk is right about DDT, its banning is one of the greatest crimes against humanity ever committed, bar none. It has killed more people than all wars combined, including Hitler Stalin and Pol Pot, Mao, Idi Amin, my god these people have no shame. The perps involved in this ban without science should be charged with crimes against humanity.
Andrew 30.
I’d like to re-state my CAGW comment as ‘I’m equally as certain that there are plenty of people here who don’t find AGW bunk’. That at least encompasses guys like McIntyre, Pielke Jr. and Lucia, -Probably Anthony Watts as well.
@Hugh Pepper
…And by the way, Cook and Abrahams have thoroughly debunked Monckton’s assertions. Everyone who follows this conversation must be aware of this.
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Hugh, learn at least one lesson from the history of conflict: never bring weasels to a dog fight.
Sorry guys, I know that your careers depend upon it, billions of dollars spent but it really was and is all for naught. (note no comma before “and”).
Taking the widest and simplest view, all things being equal, in an open system subject to many modes of mixing and circulation, along with a recognition of the butterfly” effect albeit its reverse, the Central England Temperature record really does represent the global picture. It shows no discernible trend.
Crikey
If that thought rings true can anything support it.
Well lets go the Antipodes and we find a similar “open system” with a long continuous record, New Zealand. It too shows no trend.
Seems to me, in such a vast but connected by many factors, environment as the Earths Atmosphere, it matters not one jot if you divide it into 1,000 mile squares and record each and every temperature or 100 mile or ten mile squares. To do so just defines how many angels live in each block.
Man Made global warming is dead
sadly long live the next scare they dream up.
Smokey says:
March 18, 2012 at 12:56 am
Sam Geoghegan,
Are you really Joel Shore in disguise? Because we’re discussing facts here, not political ideology.
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Wrong, Smokes.
You are discussing Moncktons version of the facts, which appear to be driven largely by his political ideology. And a desire to pocket a nice little income from these ”lectures”.
Cheers.