Monckton in a rift with Union college Earth scientist and activist

Readers may recall this piece Monckton’s Schenectady showdown in which he schools a number of students despite “en-masse” collections (to use Donald Rodbell’s words) of naysayers. Mr. Rodbell and Erin Delman, pictured below, wrote this essay (which I’ve excerpted below) in their student newspaper The Concordiensis, citing their angst that Monckton was speaking.

A lord’s opinion can’t compete with scientific truth

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Erin Delman (left), President of the Environmental Club, debates with Monckton – photo by Charlotte Lehman | Department Chair and Professor of Geology Donald Rodbell (right) asks Lord Christopher Monckton a question at the event on the “other side” of global warming. – photo by Rachel Steiner, Concordiensis

By Donald Rodbell and Erin Delman in |

As Earth scientists, we were torn. The College Republicans and the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT) were hosting Lord Monckton, a globally recognized climate skeptic, on Mon., March 5, and we were not quite sure how to respond. Frankly, the sentiment vacillated between utter disgust and sheer anger. On one hand, it seemed ludicrous to give Monckton a second of time or thought. On the other, however, dismissing him and allowing his speech without rejection risked that he would have an impact, and a dangerous one at that.

And thus, the college environmentalists – including Environmental Club members, the leaders and members of U-Sustain, concerned citizens, and renowned Earth scientists with PhDs from prestigious research institutions – decided to oppose the presence of Lord Monckton on our campus. We collected en-masse before his presentation to make it unambiguously clear that we would not allow such erroneous discourse to go unnoticed.

Lord Monckton does not stand alone in his beliefs on this issue; however, 97 percent of scientists overwhelmingly oppose his viewpoint. He kept asserting that this debate must follow a rigorous, science-based approach, and that the consensus of experts is, by itself, an insufficient basis on which to decide the veracity of the evidence for significant human-induced global warming.

Serious scientific debate cannot be carried out in the blogosphere, nor in highly charged and politically motivated presentations either by Lord Monckton or by Al Gore.  The fact of the matter is that science has spoken, the overwhelming bulk of the evidence has shown very, very clearly that global warming is occurring and is at least mostly caused by humans.  While scientific consensus can be wrong, it most often is not.

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Sigh, there’s that ridiculous 97% figure again. You’d think these “educated” people would bother to check such things before mindlessly regurgitating them and making themselves look like sycophants. And then there’s this:  “Serious scientific debate cannot be carried out in the blogosphere…” well, then, PLEASE tell that to the RealClimate team so they stop trying to do that on the taxpayers dime.

It seems Erin Delman is training to be a professional enviro-legal troublemaker

She is interested in pursuing a joint Ph.D. and law degree in geology and environmental law and is considering a career in environmental policy, particularly involving water rights.

…so I suppose I’m not surprised at this article. With that California background and water rights bent, I predict she’ll be joining the Pacific Institute to supplement Gleick’s mission.

Full article here: A lord’s opinion can’t compete with scientific truth

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Monckton responds in comments to that article

Monckton of Brenchley March 16, 2012 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

Oh, come off it, Professor!

By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley

Professor Donald Rodbell’s personal attack on me in Concordiensis (“A Lord’s Opinion Can’t Compete with Scientific Truth”) deserves an answer. The Professor does not seem to be too keen on freedom of speech: on learning that I was to address students at Union College, he said that he “vacillated between utter disgust and sheer anger”. My oh my!

The Professor should be reminded of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States: “Congress shall make no law … abridging the freedom of speech”. I exercised freedom of speech at Union College. The Professor may disagree with what I said (though his article is lamentably unspecific about what points in my lecture – if any – he disagreed with); but, under the Constitution, he may not deny or abridge my right to say it.

He and his fellow climate extremists ought not, therefore, to have talked of “opposing the presence of Lord Monckton”: for that would be to abridge my freedom of speech. It would have been fair enough for the Professor to talk of opposing my arguments – yet that, curiously, is what his rant in Concordiensis entirely fails to do.

The Professor says it is certain that “the world is warming, climatic patterns are changing, and humans are a driving force”. Let us look at these three statements in turn.

– The world is not warming at present. It has not been warming for almost a decade and a half, though it has been warming since 1695. In the 40 years to 1735, before the Industrial Revolution even began, the temperature in Central England (not a bad proxy for global temperatures) rose by 4 Fahrenheit degrees, compared with just 1 F° in the whole of the 20th century.

– Climatic patterns are indeed changing. But they have been changing for 4,567 million years, and they will go on changing long into the future. However, the fact of climate change does not tell us the cause of climate change.

– Humans are indeed exercising some influence. Indeed, though the Professor implies otherwise, I stated explicitly in my lecture that the IPCC might be right in saying that more than half of the warming since 1950 was caused by us. However, that tells us little about how much warming we may expect in future. My best estimate is that the CO2 we add to the atmosphere this century will cause around 1 C° of warming by 2100. But that is not far short of the IPCC’s own central estimate of 1.5 C°.

Next, the Professor asserts, without any evidence, that “97% of scientists overwhelmingly oppose [Monckton’s] viewpoint”. Overlooking the tautology (the word “overwhelmingly” should have been omitted), as far as I am aware there has been no survey of scientists or of public opinion generally to determine how many oppose my viewpoint. I am aware of two surveys in which 97% of scientists asserted that the world had warmed in the past 60 years: but, in that respect, they agree with my viewpoint. No survey has found 97% of scientists agreeing with the far more extreme proposition that unchecked emissions of CO2 will be very likely to cause dangerous global warming. And, even if there had been such a survey, the notion that science is done by head-counting in this way is the shop-worn logical fallacy of the argumentum ad populum – the headcount fallacy. That fallacy was first described by Aristotle 2300 years ago, and it is depressing to see a Professor trotting it out today.

Science is not done by headcount among scientists. It is done by measurement, observation, and experiment, and by the application of established theory to the results. Until Einstein, 100% of scientists thought that time and space were invariant. They were all wrong. So much for consensus.

Next, the Professor says I made “numerous inaccuracies and mis-statements”. Yet he does not mention a single one in his article, which really amounts to mere hand-waving. He then asserts that I have “no interest whatsoever in pursuing a truly scientific approach”. Those who were present, however, will be aware that I presented large quantities of data and analysis demonstrating that the principal conclusions of each of the four IPCC climate assessments are defective; that the warming to be expected from a doubling of CO2 is 1 C°; and that, even if 21st-century warming were 3 C°, it would still be 10-100 times cheaper and more cost-effective to do nothing now and adapt in a focused way later than to try to stop the warming by controlling CO2.

The Professor goes on to say that “the fundamental building block of all science is peer-reviewed publications”. No: rigorous thought is the cornerstone of science. That is what is lacking in the IPCC’s approach. All of its principal conclusions are based on modeling. However, not one of the models upon which it relies has been peer-reviewed. Nor is any of the IPCC’s documents peer-reviewed in the accepted sense. There are reviewers, but the authors are allowed to override them, and that is not peer review at all. That is how the IPCC’s deliberate error about the alleged disappearance of all Himalayan glaciers by 2035 was not corrected. Worse, almost one-third of all references cited in the IPCC’s 2007 Fourth Assessment Report were not peer-reviewed either. They were written by environmental campaigners, journalists and even students. That is not good enough.

Next, the Professor says that, in not publishing my own analysis of “global warming” in a reviewed journal, I am “fundamentally non-scientific”. Yet he does not take Al Gore to task for never having had anything published in a reviewed journal. Why this disfiguring double standard? The most important thing, surely, is to shut down the IPCC, whose approach – on the Professor’s own peer-review test – is “fundamentally non-scientific”.

The Professor goes on to say, “It is impossible to scrutinize [Monckton’s] methods, calculations, and conclusions without a complete and detailed peer-reviewed publication that presents the important details.” On the contrary: my slides are publicly available, and they show precisely how I reached my conclusions, with numerous references to the peer-reviewed literature and to the (non-peer-reviewed) IPCC assessment reports.

Next, the Professor says that “rather substantial errors” were pointed out to me at Union College. Yet in every case I was able to answer the points raised: and, here as elsewhere, the Professor is careful not to be specific about what “errors” I am thought to have made. I pointed out some very serious errors in the documents of the IPCC: why does the Professor look the other way when confronted with these “official” errors? Once again, a double standard seems to be at work.

The Professor ends by saying that “science has spoken” and that, “while scientific consensus can be wrong, it most often is not”. Well, the eugenics consensus of the 1920s, to the effect that breeding humans like racehorses would improve the stock, was near-universally held among scientists, but it was wrong, and it led directly to the dismal rail-yards of Oswiecim and Treblinka. The Lysenko consensus of the 1940s and 1950s, to the effect that soaking seed-corn in water over the winter would help it to germinate, wrecked 20 successive Soviet harvests and killed 20 million of the proletariat. The ban-DDT consensus of the 1960s has led to 40 million malaria deaths in children (and counting), 1.25 million of them lasts year alone. The don’t-stop-AIDS consensus of the 1980s has killed 33 million, with another 33 million infected and waiting to die.

The climate “consensus” is also killing millions by diverting billions of dollars from helping the poor to enriching governments, bureaucrats, bankers, landowners, windfarm scamsters, and environmentalist racketeers, and by denying to the Third World the fossil-fueled electricity it so desperately needs. It is time to stop the killing. If arguing for a more rational and scientifically-based policy will bring the slaughter of our fellow citizens of this planet to an end, then I shall continue to argue for it, whether the Professor likes it or not.

He should be thoroughly ashamed of himself.

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Sam Geoghegan
March 18, 2012 3:50 am

Sexton
He’s made the ten year ‘no significant statistical warming’ claim numerous times (It varies between 10-15 years and ‘no warming’ to ‘cooling’). If choosing start/end points over a decade has no weght on the overall history of climate, then why mention it other than to impress the audience? Your answer?

Jimbo
March 18, 2012 3:53 am

johanna says:
March 17, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Michael Palmer says:
March 17, 2012 at 6:35 pm
johanna says:
March 17, 2012 at 4:20 pm
But then we got:
Michael Palmer says:
March 17, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Eugenics may or may not work (…)
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… The whole point about eugenics (apart from the ethical issues) is that it doesn’t exist in a scientific sense. The ‘science’ which was so consensual in the 1920s and 30s right across the Western world about improving the human race was complete bunkum –

This is blatant nonsense, of course. Eugenics is used with cattle, pigs and dogs all the time, it works, and nobody objects………

Would that be for the physical or mental traits in “cattle, pigs and dogs”? Try again.

Charles.U.Farley
March 18, 2012 3:53 am

Agw and its supporters display exactly the same blinkered self opinated views as Flat Earthers.
They wouldnt listen to any opposing viewpoints, “earth is round? Whaaaat!? Burn the heretic!” and the irony is that at one time THEY held a consensus viewpoint as well.
Rather than having any real science to back it up they used to shout down opposition too, drown out the other views so only theirs can be heard then call it a consensus of opinion where none exists.
Hats off to M’lord Monckton (doffs and curtseys 😉 ) you just know youre hitting them where it hurts when they squeal this loudly. 🙂

Sam Geoghegan
March 18, 2012 3:56 am

James Sexton
Addendum- thanks for the link, I just saw it and will read through it tomorrow.
😉

Dave
March 18, 2012 3:59 am

You are not Earth Scientists. Have you not heard of scientific uncertainty. Richard Feynman would have had a good laugh, or maybe cried, that you are in a `university`. Tenure must be pretty easy to get there.

Jimbo
March 18, 2012 4:00 am

Even IF eugenics does work it is an abhorrence to most people. It is unethical and flat out wrong. What if Warmists decided to sterilize skeptics because we were found to have a mental defect for not towing the consensus – would that be OK?
All people should have the right of free speech as well as a right to control over their own bodies. Trying to justify the unjustifiable is plain silly. What if your beloved sister / brother / cousin / mother etc. had a minor mental defect – would it be it ‘OK’ by you to sterilize them? Nough said.

d
March 18, 2012 4:05 am

Lord Monckton please go to more college campuses. The mere fact that they oppose ur presence is disturbing but not suprising. Please keep exercising ur freedom of speech and thanks for exposing the intolerate environmentalists. I hope u opened many students minds. Thank you.

Jimbo
March 18, 2012 4:08 am

May I suggest Anthony Watts puts up a post titled:
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“A challenge to the Concordiensis”
“Can you please rebut every one of Moncktons points, point by point, citing peer reviewed research and or the IPCC’s (sometimes) non-peer reviewed research?”
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We can hold the debate right here or on their college newspaper with impartial and independent moderation. Or they can post their rebuttal to Anthony and we can all weigh in. It would be highly entertaining I think. 🙂

Dave
March 18, 2012 4:09 am

Furthermore, you have brought great dishonor on Schenectady. Prof, what do your colleagues think?

Jimbo
March 18, 2012 4:11 am

If the The Concordiensis have the science on their side then why can’t they rebut each and every one of Monckton’s points? Why all the arm waving and appeals to authority? Why not appeal to the specific evidence and present it? Why are they so afraid of debate? As scientists they should be curious, if not, why not?

March 18, 2012 4:13 am

SPM,
As always with the alarmist crowd, when you cannot refute the scientific facts presented by Lord Monckton, you resort to ad hominem remarks. But the scientific facts are not going away: as [harmless, beneficial] CO2 continues to rise, the planet’s temperature remains static, thus falsifying the catastrophic AGW scare. And rises in CO2 follow rises in temperature, on all time scales. Effect cannot precede cause. Rising CO2 is largely a function of rising temperatures since the LIA. A warmer ocean outgases CO2 just like a warm beer does.
Facts are pesky things. They just never go away. Instead, they sit there, making the alarmist crowd so uncomfortable that they attack an individual like Lord Monckton, who is merely the messenger pointing out the facts.
The fact is that CO2 is harmless. No global or regional harm has been connected with its rise. And CO2 is beneficial: as CO2 rises, agricultural productivity rises in lock step. See? CO2 is a harmless minor trace gas, essential to the biosphere. More is better. Simples. But then, scientific truths usually are.
. . .
Sam Geoghegan says:
“He’s made the ten year ‘no significant statistical warming’ claim numerous times (It varies between 10-15 years and ‘no warming’ to ‘cooling’). If choosing start/end points over a decade has no weght on the overall history of climate, then why mention it other than to impress the audience? Your answer?”
Answer: the start time is a decade and a half ago; the end time is now. Thus, there is no cherry-picking. The plain fact is that as CO2 continues to rise, the global temperature is not following. Another pesky fact, no?

Jimbo
March 18, 2012 4:17 am

Hugh Pepper says:
March 17, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Mr Monckton has no credibility as a critic of science. He has done no research, nor offered any hypotheses which could be validated through research. He merely criticizes and his slide show has been thoroughly debunked by others. He is an an excellent promoter of contrarian ideas, which have not been substantiated through the accepted processes, namely research which has passed through peer review.

Good! Would you care to debate Monckton who has “no credibility as a critic of science.”? He does not have to offer any hypotheses for he is not the one making the AGW claims over natural climate variation. He uses peer review to knock down your rubbish. You sir are sad and not even worthy of contempt. I will waste no more of my keystrokes on you.

Sam Geoghegan
March 18, 2012 4:28 am

Smokey
You missed the point. 10-15 yrs is insignificant and it IS cherry picked.
I’ll read Monckton’s pothole54 rebuttle tomorrow

March 18, 2012 5:02 am

Jimmy Haigh. says:
March 18, 2012 at 1:27 am
“Goggle” him???????

Must’ve been a reference to NVGs, Jimmy — it takes forever to focus them, and when you’re wearing them, you have no depth perception, you’re stuck with a very narrow field of view, and everything looks
*heh*
green…

garymount
March 18, 2012 5:10 am

Sam Geoghegan
We only have 33 years of reliable global temperature data, so 10-15 years is significant.
This 10 to 15 years of no warming could extend to 20 or more years in the next couple of years depending on how cold it gets, as we can extend the trend further back in time as well. One climatologists, who I won’t name (Santer), said only 17 years of a trend is needed:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/19/santers-17-years-needed-for-a-sign-of-climate-change-compared-against-the-ipcc-models/

johanna
March 18, 2012 5:15 am

Michael Palmer says:
March 17, 2012 at 7:38 pm
johanna says:
March 17, 2012 at 7:21 pm

Michael, let’s just clear up straightaway that selectively breeding cattle for bulk or sheep for wool or dogs for the shape currently in favour with show judges is not the same as eugenics.
When Chris Monckton and I talk about eugenics, it relates to selective breeding of humans for physical and mental traits that were considered to be desirable, a fallacious and barbaric school of consensus that peaked in the 1920s and 30s. The main instruments were identifying and sterilising or isolating people who were considered to be bad breeding stock.

“fallacious and barbaric” – there you have your own error, in a nutshell. Barbaric it is, but not fallacious – the scientific basis of breeding humans is exactly the same as for breeding livestock. As I said before, you are confusing ethics and science.
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I am not confusing ethics and science. If you had bothered to read my posts, I explicitly made the distinction, using terms like ‘leaving aside the ethical issues’. I did that not because I don’t think the ethical issues matter – on the contrary – but to deal with exactly the criticism you have made.
If you really believe that eugenics is barbaric but not fallacious, please explain what you mean by that. In detail. I look forward to your exposition on why breeding people to have non-floppy ears or different length legs (which is quite possible) has anything to do with eugenics as cited by Monckton and recognised in the history of science as a powerful scientific movement in the 20th century.

Jimbo
March 18, 2012 5:16 am

Michael Palmer says: “The Lysenko “consensus” was enforced and upheld by one of the most cruel and ruthless dictatorships the world has known. This cannot be compared to a consensus that forms in a free society.”

——————
Dear Dr. Peters,
We have had to decline your grant application to study the benefits to plants of global warming and rising co2 in the Balkans.
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Dear Dr. Peters,
Congratulations on your grant application to study the degenerative effects on plant of global warming and rising co2 in the Balkans.
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Here is your modern day enforcement. 🙂

3x2
March 18, 2012 5:30 am

[w]ere hosting Lord Monckton, a globally recognized climate skeptic[…]
[F]rankly, the sentiment vacillated between utter disgust and sheer anger.
[O]n one hand, it seemed ludicrous to give Monckton a second of time or thought.
Perhaps cooler heads may have resulted in more coherent argument. And that is just the first paragraph.
So Professor, let’s take a look at where you went wrong.
Know your enemy. Had you taken the time to do a bit of research you may have recognised that Monkton is an eloquent speaker with an encyclopaedic knowledge of both the peer reviewed literature and the IPCC reports. He has put a lot of time and effort into his arguments and you may need more than a ‘second of time or thought’ should you wish to avoid looking foolish in future.
His arguments are well documented and would have taken but a few minutes to obtain. Then you could have tasked your acolytes with spending a little time and effort rebutting his ‘erroneous discourse’ point by point. Suitably armed you could then have demonstrated to all present the obviousness of his “numerous inaccuracies and misstatements”.
I think I can see why you didn’t take this route. There is always the danger that, having studied his arguments in detail, they may have found merit and started asking some awkward questions. We can’t have that now can we professor?
Watching the video I could only conclude that this isn’t Science or Education, it’s a Cult. One can only hope that at least one or two listened and were persuaded to investigate further. It would be very worrying sign for Higher Education if none did.
That they will be forced to keep their questions and views to themselves for a year or two until they have their qualifications should set off alarm bells everywhere.
Doesn’t it worry you at all that you are teaching the acolytes that, rather than reason, evidence and debate, the quickest route to the ‘truth’ is to simply silence your opponents? It should. At least one is thinking of moving into Law. Let us hope she doesn’t wind up on the Bench.
As many have pointed out, there is an infinite source of renewable energy just waiting to be tapped: the spinning bodies of scientists past.

Robin Hewitt
March 18, 2012 5:38 am

“the temperature in Central England (not a bad proxy for global temperatures)”.
You have to work with what you’ve got. Obviously an old American record would be more believable but nobody actually wanted to go there.
Henry Scobell recorded this from Parliament in 1646:- http://www.robinhewitt.net/hansard.jpg

garymount
March 18, 2012 5:44 am

Sam Geoghegan says:
March 18, 2012 at 1:29 am
Like I say. 99.9% of people take a stance on climate change based on ideological proclivity and the press, I don’t know where you get off thinking facts have anything to do with it.
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If CAGW was proven, or even had a shred of evidence supporting it, the number of people believing in it would be about as equal as the number of people that believe in gravity. The reason there is so much skepticism is because most people aren’t gullible, and instead they are highly intelligent and educated, and it is not because of ideological reasons. You may be correct that the press has something to do with skepticism, as many news organizations goal is to inform people.
I mean, come on, if I thought CAGW was true, I would want something done about it, and I would be doing something about it. I wouldn’t be denying it because I “don’t like change”, or I think “the economy is too bad right now” or whatever imagined excuses warmists are coming up with to explain skepticism.

Constitutionalist
March 18, 2012 5:44 am

US citizens enjoy 1st amendment protection. Monckton is not a US citizen. He has the right to behave himself while a guest in our country or the right to pack his bags and leave.

Jimbo
March 18, 2012 5:52 am

A Lovell says:
March 17, 2012 at 3:44 pm
From Erin Delman’s cv.
“She helped organize the College’s award-winning cardboard recycling program, and she is also active with Union’s chapter of Campus Kitchens, a nationwide program aimed at using leftover dining hall food to make nutritious meals for local residents.”

What I want to know Erin is did you enjoy eating the nutritious (left-over) meals? Do you want spittle with your fries? 😉

Constitutionalist
March 18, 2012 5:57 am

Jimbo says:
March 18, 2012 at 3:53 am
> >This is blatant nonsense, of course. Eugenics is used with cattle, pigs and dogs all the time, it works, and nobody objects………
>Would that be for the physical or mental traits in “cattle, pigs and dogs”? Try again.
Both actually. Cattle, pigs, and dogs that are violent towards people or other domesticated animals and thus make handling difficult and dangerous are not typically selected for breeding. There are exceptions such as rodeo bulls and fighting dogs but I can’t think of an exception for swine.

Constitutionalist
March 18, 2012 6:04 am

Jimbo says:
March 18, 2012 at 5:52 am
A Lovell says:
March 17, 2012 at 3:44 pm
>>From Erin Delman’s cv.
“She helped organize the College’s award-winning cardboard recycling program, and she is also active with Union’s chapter of Campus Kitchens, a nationwide program aimed at using leftover dining hall food to make nutritious meals for local residents.”
>What I want to know Erin is did you enjoy eating the nutritious (left-over) meals? Do you want spittle with your fries? 😉
Good grief. Think, McFly. The leftovers in this case is the food that goes unserved not the food left on individual plates after being served. The food left uneaten on plates could go to animal sanctuaries however. There’s definitely a lot of food that goes to waste in the U.S. and that’s a shame.

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