Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
The claim is often made that volcanoes support the theory that forcing rules temperature. The aerosols from the eruptions are injected into the stratosphere. This reflects additional sunlight, and cuts the amount of sunshine that strikes the surface. As a result of this reduction in forcing, the biggest volcanic eruptions are said to depress global temperatures, sometimes for years.
The idea that large volcanoes significantly cool the planet is widely accepted. This effect is built into the climate models, for example. It is a reflection of the dominant climate paradigm, which is that surface temperature is a linear function of forcing. Since it can be measured observationally that the volcanoes greatly reduce the global solar forcing, it follows that they must significantly affect the global temperature.
However, I hold that the climate system is not an inert slave of changes in forcing. I hold that the climate system immediately and actively responds to changes in forcing by adjusting things like albedo, cloud type, cloud formation times and locations, timing of Nino/Nina alterations, and the like, to quickly counteract any forcing changes.
Which means, of course, that according to my hypothesis, even very large volcanoes should a have very small effect on the global temperature. To see which hypothesis is true, mine or the standard AGW hypothesis, I devised a little game I call “Spot the Volcanoes”. Two of the largest volcanoes of the century occurred within a twenty year time span. See if you can tell where they occurred.
Figure 1. First difference (month-to-month change) in global surface air temperature. Timespan shown is twenty years. Two of the largest volcanoes of the 20th century are shown in this record. The volcano in the picture is Mt. Redoubt, Alaska, one of my favorite mountains.
In Figure 1, to make things a bit difficult, I show the month-by-month CHANGE in temperature. This is not the temperature itself, but the month-by-month change in temperature, called “delta T” (∆T). If the temperature is a function of the forcing, the eruptions should be making the temperatures drop for a while. So the game is, where in Figure 1 are the two eruptions? Make your choice before you take the jump …
The answer is shown in Figure 2 below. It contains the record of the atmospheric transmission over Mauna Loa. The two eruptions, of El Chichon and Mt. Pinatubo, are very apparent in the Mauna Loa (MLO) record. I have scaled the Mauna Loa record to the corresponding GISS estimate for the forcing from Pinatubo (in W/m2), in order to show the generally accepted size of the volcanic forcing.
Figure 2. As in Figure 1, plus Mauna Loa atmospheric transmittance observations. These observations are of the total amount of clear-sky sunlight making it through the atmosphere.
Now, I can already hear folks grumbling, that this was not a fair game, that it was rigged because it was the first differences and not the actual temperature itself. And besides, most people don’t spend much time looking at first differences, so it was too hard. And perhaps those folks are 100% correct.
So let’s play a bonus round of “Spot the Volcanoes”, this time using the real temperature data. Figure 3 shows a stretch of the HadCRUT3 global surface air temperature record. This time it includes one smaller and two larger volcanoes. See if you can spot where the big ones erupted:
Figure 3. A stretch of the HadCRUT3 temperature record containing one small and two large eruptions. Don’t bother trying to find the small one.
So once again, the game is to spot two volcanoes.
Now at this time,
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We’ve got to play the game show music,
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So as to hide the answer,
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Until you make your choice, of the exact location of the two eruptions in Figure 3.
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So here it is.
Figure 4. As in Figure 2, showing the eruptions of El Chichon (1982) and Pinatubo (1993). The small eruption is Mt. Agung (1963).
I’m sure you understand my point. There is nothing to see. The kinds of temperature excursions we see after the volcanoes are not different from the temperature excursions before the volcanoes.
How big an effect should we have seen, given the IPCC assumptions about climate sensitivity? Well, the average change in forcing over the three years following the Pinatubo eruption is ~ -1.7 W/m2. Now, that’s about half the forcing change expected from a doubling of CO2, maintained for three entire years … and where’s the response? Using the IPCC numbers, we should have seen a temperature drop of 1.4°C at equilibrium, and three years after the step change we should have seen at least a full degree of that …
Instead of a full degree of cooling after Pinatubo, or even half a degree, we see maybe a tenth of a degree of cooling.
But wait, as they say on TV … it’s even worse than that. The drop after Pinatubo may be just by chance, because after the earlier El Chichon eruption we see maybe a tenth of a degree of warming … and the average three year change in forcing for El Chichon is only trivially smaller than Pinatubo, at ~ -1.6 W/m.
So this is a great natural experiment regarding changes in forcing. From these observations, as near as we can tell, half the forcing change expected from a doubling of CO2 was applied for three full years, at two different times, and it resulted in … well, pretty much nothing.
So I’d say that the volcanic eruption data strongly supports my thermostat hypothesis, which says that changes in forcing are almost immediately and nearly completely offset by opposing changes in other aspects of the climate system.
w.
PS—Here’s the double bonus question … the UAH lower temperature record:
Figure 5. UAH MSU satellite based global lower tropospheric temperature record.
This time the game is a bit different. Are there one or two volcanoes in the record, and where is it / are they?.
Now at this time,
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We’ve got to play the game show music like last time,
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So as to hide the answer,
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Until you make your choice, of the exact location of the two eruptions in Figure 5.
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So here it is.
Figure 6. As Figure 5 plus transmittance information.
Note that as with the surface temperature record, the globe cooled slightly after Pinatubo … and that as with the surface temperature record, the globe warmed slightly after El Chichon. And since the post-Pinatubo drop is indistinguishable from the post-1983 and the post-1988 drops, there is no reason to assume that the post-1991 drop is due solely to Pinatubo.
Which in my opinion is why all of the analyses focus on Pinatubo, while poor El Chichon is roundly ignored because it didn’t get the memo about causing a temperature drop.
PS—Does this mean volcanoes have no effect on the climate? No, it just means that because of the immediate and basically “equal but opposite” response of the climate system to forcing changes, the effect is much more local, much shorter lived, and much smaller than would be expected if the IPCC estimates of climate sensitivity were correct.
FURTHER READING: Climate forcing by the volcanic eruption of Mount Pinatubo
[UPDATE] People have asked for more information about how the climate responds to counteract the cooling action of the volcano. Figure 7 shows the response of the albedo to the Pinatubo eruption. The albedo immediately began to drop, allowing more and more sunlight to warm the surface.
Figure 7. Anomaly in post-albedo solar isolation for the period 1984-1998. The transmittance change due to the volcano is shown in red. Albedo data from Hatzianastassiou et al.
You can see that it’s not too hard to spot the volcano in this graph … which is exactly the reason why it’s so hard to spot in the other graphs.
w.



KR says:
March 17, 2012 at 10:06 am
“Perhaps so, and no, I don’t know what car Mann drives. So far, there’s really no solid indication that they’re wrong.
And perhaps, just perhaps, the 97% consensus is actually right?”
The null hypothesis rules (unless you are Kevin Trenbreath). No need to prove the CAGW’ers wrong, just expose the weaknesses in their science. Your “97% consensus” may be right but the proponents haven’t really advanced their hypothesis in 20 years and it will be decades before Gaia reveals the climate sensitivity to greenhouse gases. Meanwhile the public is tiring of the hysterical cataclysmic claims.
“Not trusting them and believing them as you obviously do, but checking and verifying everything they say.”
Willis I can play the same pedantic game as you if I want. I never at any point said I found they’re arguments convincing or i believe them. I was simply saying that expressing a sentiment that all you oppose are fools and liars, that aspects of climate science are corrupt and untrustworthy are just arguments being played to the peanut gallery. And are going to turn off anybody trying to be thoughtful on the issue.
I actually like the fact you question the validity of ∆T = λ ∆F. It makes sense that this underlies the difference between those convinced by the IPCC and those who are skeptical. Maybe we actually agree that there is much to be gained from looking at internal dynamic changes to the system in respect to this question. Climate science does seem to have something to say on this issue, if you hunt for it, but it seems to be quickly dismissed by the IPCC.
You can’t possibly believe that. Bring in lots of overhead money via grants and you get tenure, promotions, and sizable raises. Bring in no grant money and you get refused tenure (fired if you work for a lab or institution that does not give tenure), or if you have tenure you get no promotions, minimal cost-of-living raises, and the crappiest assignments. Why do you think Pen State is so willing to whitewash Mann’s [alleged] complicity in destroying evidence (deleting E-mails)? For the same reason they were willing to overlook Sandusky’s [alleged] sex crimes in the football program. Money gets you everything.
Thanks Willis great article!
I played this game some time ago with the UAH record and failed big time, learned a lesson.
P.S. I wanted to post this yesterday but the latestest WordPress bug got me.
Now I have changed my e-mail for posting.
vukcevic says:
March 17, 2012 at 1:47 am
I do appreciate your efforts. Send your daughter to Canada and have her complete an MSc in Applied Geophysics. Only 1 geophysicist graduates for every 8 geologists. We could use some help here and she would be earning a six figure salary before turning 30. She could also help her father better interpret graphs 😉
Steve from Rockwood says:
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Hi again
Thanks for the advice. I think there are plans for her to visit some mining areas overthere some time within a year. She is currently working for a mining company and is based in their London office.
[snip – he’s comparing the lack of investigation, YOU are the one making unsavory bizarre leaps of logic which are even more inappropriate – Anthony]
I have to say Willis, I’m a little disappointed with your confirmation bias. You seem to be one of the more intelligent people here, but looking for excuses to reject peer-reviewed literature (like confusing Forster with Foster because you feel comfortable dismissing the latter), choosing the eyecrometer over actual statistics – it’s pretty poor behavior. Oh well.
REPLY: Dana Nutticelli, Willis won’t answer you as he’s out of the country. But while we are on the subject you’ve raised about, we are still waiting for you to clean up your own poor behavior at Skeptical Science what with the constant labeling of people as deniers, the post facto revisionism, and the wholesale exclusion of many commenters that challenge your views, and the shoddy treatment of Dr. Roger Pielke who tried and failed to engage a meanigful converstaion only to be ridiculed and taunted.
Starting cleaning up your own house and then you MIGHT have a point. – Anthony
KR March 17, 2012 at 10:06 am
Said:
“…..One of my favourite “classic” articles on the topic is Svant Arhennius 1896 “On the Influence of Carbonic Acid in the Air upon the Temperature of the Ground” ….. increases in carbonic acid (atmospheric CO2) would result in ….. and a climate sensitivity of about 3C per doubling….”
Interesting you would quote his 1896 publication, when by 1906 he’d revised his thoughts a little (NB – probably partly due to intense scientific debate on the topic – please note the parallel with today!) to estimate an expected warming of 1.6 degrees C per doubling.
. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Arrhenius
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you, Willis. I believe your reply to my comment is based on an assumption that the responses in global surface temperature to volcanic eruptions (and ENSO) will be consistent from one event to the next. They’re not. Lags vary, and the magnitudes of the responses are different.
And with respect to your PS, are you’re referring to an earlier comment you made, in which you wrote, “I am very leery of removing what people call ‘El Nino variations’ or ‘AMO variations’. These generally refer to the temperature in a particular part of the planet, the ‘El Nino 3.4 region’ or the North Atlantic or somewhere else”?
When persons wrongly attempt to remove ENSO from the global surface temperature record based on factors determined through regression analysis using an ENSO Index, they are not solely attempting to subtract the temperature of the NINO3.4 region or the eastern tropical Pacific. (If that was the case they wouldn’t need to regress it. They could simply remove it.) They’re also attempting to capture the additional responses of surface temperatures outside of the tropical Pacific that result due to ENSO-caused changes in atmospheric circulation.
The reasons it’s wrong to remove ENSO from the surface temperature record in that fashion are, (1) it assumes La Niña events are the opposite of El Niño events–They are not–(2) it assumes global surface temperatures respond linearly to the process of ENSO, and they do not, and (3) it also assumes the ENSO index captures the entire ENSO process, and it does not. The ENSO index only represents the impact of ENSO on that ENSO index. Nothing more.
Regards
KR March 17, 2012 at 10:06 am
Said: “…How much evidence is enough to convince you? This is an important question – if the answer for you is “There will never be enough”, then you’re not speaking of science, but rather of belief, devoid of factual support….”
Interesting you would say that. Really to date we have a lot of theory, faith and fairly scant evidence that anthropogenic warming will be significant to the point of being catastrophic.
We have a quite a lot of proxy evidence (that is still under intense debate) which shows …. Well, almost whatever you want it to show – I personally particularly like the long term ice core records from both Antarctica and Greenland, because I can see that today’s warming is pretty miniscule in relation to that in previous interglacial periods, and even to that evident in the early part of the Holocene epoch. Of course, I don’t much like Mann and Co’s tree ring proxies which don’t manage to detect my much beloved MWP. But, we can all find what we want in there somewhere.
We are starting to accumulate quite a lot of spectroscopic data from satellite readings, lots of ocean level data, lots of earth station temperature date, lots of deep ocean temperature data, etc etc. This has really been going on for only the last 30 years or so. Now I like to wonder why we are still spending billions on such projects, and why we are still modelling and remodelling the climate, especially in light of every new (and usually unexpected!) climate phenomenon which arises. To ‘prove’ the point? Or to learn more about what is really happening?
I really expect it is the latter. So rather than all this desperate ‘back-casting’, I believe we should keep examining the data, keep quietly testing our predications, then when we REALLY have some evidence such as proven forecasts, it will be an easy sell.
So back to your original question above: It appears even the CAGW proponents feel a great need to accumulate more evidence. So, is it really ‘absolute blind faith’ required to simply accept a bland statement that ‘the science is settled’ in this, or indeed, in any field of science?
markx – “In his 1906 publication, Arrhenius adjusted the value downwards to 1.6 °C (including water vapour feedback: 2.1 °C).”
I really don’t know where that came from. If you actually read the book, “Worlds in the Making” (1908 English translation of the 1906 text, as I don’t read Swedish), which can be found at http://www.archive.org/details/worldsinmakingev00arrhrich :
“If the quantity of carbonic acid in the air should sink to one-half its present percentage, the temperature would fall about 4°; a diminution to one-quarter would reduce the temperature by 8°. On the other hand, any doubling of the percentage of carbon dioxide in the air would raise the temperature of the earth’s surface by 4°…” (pg. 53)
These are in degrees Celsius, developed by the Swedish Anders Celsius in 1742, the same scale he used in 1896. That’s a sensitivity of 4°C, not 1.6°C.
[I don’t know where the wikipedia article gets the erroneous information in the discussion section (the only source I’ve found for your quote), as they show the relevant section just a few paragraphs above. But then, wikipedia is just not as reliable as original sources.]
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This is drifting far afield of the original post. Willis Eschenbach drew some confusing graphs and arm-waved some objections to both the significance of volcanic forcings and any efforts to attribute climate changes to those forcings.
Multiple references were provided indicating that volcanic forcings do have identifiable effects, and can be attributed.
Willis responded by dismissing the evidence with ad hominem fallacies (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/16/volcanic-disruptions/#comment-925452, also http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/16/volcanic-disruptions/#comment-925260), incidentally confusing the authors of those references, conflating spatial distributions with time signatures (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/16/volcanic-disruptions/#comment-925432), and basically stating that he doesn’t trust well established statistical methods such as multiple linear regression of time signals.
Eschenbach’s post doesn’t hold up – insults, whether of individuals or of mathematic methods, are no substitute for factually supported works or for tested techniques.
Adieu
lgl says:
March 17, 2012 at 5:06 am
I showed observations that albedo decreased immediately after Pinatubo. You seem to think that general changes in albedo are the issue. I am talking about volcanoes and their aftermath., it is immaterial what the albedo was doing over your 15-year period.
Second, when it gets warmer in the tropics, more clouds form. This has been known for some time, and is clearly visible in the monthly albedo observations.
One thing you are correct about, that you are “wrong again”.
w.
KR says:
March 18, 2012 at 10:59 am
I’m sorry you find graphs confusing, that must be a real handicap.
Please learn to read the entire post before making a fool of yourself. I said quite clearly that volcano forcings have identifiable effects,because I knew someone like yourself would try to bust me for something I never said. Read the following paragraph from the head post real slow until you understand it.
So all of your “multiple references” were meaningless, because they were objecting to something I didn’t say …
Sounds like you’re really upset that you can’t spot the volcanoes. In any case, you are welcome to come back when you learn to read graphs and read paragraphs of text.
w.
Larry Ledwick (hotrod) says:
March 17, 2012 at 12:34 am
My apologies. They are from GISS, a standard source that many folks knowledgeable in the field use, and I forget some folks don’t know that. My bad.
It is what it says it is on the graph. Denver winter average temperatures.
That would be a reason why I have to provide citations for my nonsense and my claims. But you have to provide citations for your claims, such as claims of an intense winter.
If that is the case, if we only have anecdotal evidence about Denver and the official actual weather observations are totally useless, then why are you talking about Denver at all? This is a scientific site, anecdotes are of no value at all to us.
My best to you,
w.
PS—You, like KR, need to be more careful in your reading. You foolishly assert that I am “proposing a hypothesis that there is no volcanic cooling, because [I] cannot see it in [my] temperature delta T graphs”.
But this is not my first rodeo, I’ve dealt before with jokers like you before who make up stories about what I’m saying. As a result, I was very careful to write in the head post:
KR says:
March 16, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Very true, my bad, my apologies to Mr. Forster.
You should get your eyecrometer adjusted if that is the case, mine works much better than that. Because when people claim that the reason we haven’t seen more warming in the late 20th century is because of the volcanoes, it should be visible in the record. It’s not.
Can a relationship be shown by statistics? Perhaps, but but the lack of any visible effect means that it is very weak, much weaker than Hansen claims, much weaker than the IPCC claims. Which is what I said. There is a relationship, but it is very weak.
Finally, I know of no one who has shown statistically that volcanoes affect the weather. Everyone I know of just shows the graphs and says “see?”. Why not statistically? Because we don’t have enough volcanoes or enough data to analyze them statistically. We can’t say something like “42% of volcanoes cause a drop in temperature greater than 0.01°C”, because there’s really only a few volcanoes for which we have data.
Are they lying? I don’t know. But I stand by what I said. If you believe James Hansen without checking every single thing and then some more, you’re naive. What I actually said was:
Now, I’ve linked to my analysis of Hansen’s Pinatubo claims. I find them risible. You may or may not agree with my analysis.
But to blithely claim that we should not be highly skeptical of Hansen? After all of his failed predictions?
That’s naive. What I said was, check everything these guys say, and watch the shell under the pea. Any given AGW alarmist may or may not be telling the truth at any given instant … but you’d be foolish to assume that they are.
If you treated them with the skepticism you seem to reserve for anyone who disagrees with you, you might just learn a few things …
W.
Willis Eschenbach says:
March 18, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Finally, I know of no one who has shown statistically that volcanoes affect the weather…
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I do not know if these were done statistically but they are interesting studies none the less.
You still haven’t shown any signs of understanding that your figure 1 removed all trace of any volcanic signals. Do you actually not get it? Are you too ashamed to admit your error? Or did you do it on purpose?
Harold says:
March 18, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Harold, I removed absolutely nothing from Figure 1 except the years from the X-axis. I showed the first difference of the temperature data exactly as it came from HadCRUT3 … which you could have actually checked.

Does first differencing “remove all trace of any volcanic signals”? Not a bit. If the signals were other than tiny, you’d see them in the first difference of the temperature. You don’t see them because they are small, not because of the first differencing.
I haven’t a clue why you think first differencing removes a signal, but it doesn’t. For example, here is what GISS says the volcanic forcing is like, and thus what they claim the resulting temperature change is like. I have also included the first difference of the GISS volcanic signal … as you can see, nothing is “removed”, you can see the GISS volcanic signal in either the raw data, or in the first difference of the data. All that has happened is that, as you’d expect, the shape of the signal has changed.
So your claim, that first differencing “removes any trace” of a signal is just, well, not true.
But in any case, in Figure 3 I’ve shown the raw data … and you can’t see the volcanoes there either. So what “volcanic signals” are you talking about?
You are accusing me of something that I did not do, and in an unpleasant manner full of ugly speculation as to my motives and my honesty.
Since I removed nothing, except the years from the X-axis, that not only makes you look wrong, it makes you look like someone with whom people don’t care to interact. If you don’t understand first differencing, go learn about it, but don’t bust me for your ignorance.
Like the song says, “Before you accuse me, take a look at yourself” …
w.
Gail Combs says:

March 18, 2012 at 5:58 pm
I do not know if these were done statistically but they are interesting studies none the less.
Thanks, Gail. I took a look at the first of your studies, since it was actual data. Here is what they call their evidence. The upper panel shows cold periods, and the lower panel shows volcanoes.
The problem is, some of the largest volcanoes, like Toba at 67 ka before present, show up as cold periods but have no detectable change in ash levels. Then we have giant changes in ash levels, which presumably are giant volcanoes, with no detectable change in temperatures …
So I’m not impressed at all. They identify 27 volcanoes, and 19 cold spells … and little connection between many of them. There’s plenty of cold spells without volcanoes, and plenty of volcanoes without cold spells. The second largest volcano signal is at ~ 55 ka BP … but no cold spell. And the Toba cold spell has no volcano … and the biggest volcano in the bunch, at ~ 31 ka BP, has no cold spell at all.
Next, assuming they are correct, they are saying that the volcanoes are causing cold spells lasting as much as four thousand years … and not only that, sometimes the volcanoes are occurring in the middle of the cold spell and not at the start of the cold spell. See the volcano at ~ 54.2 ka BP. You may believe that a volcano in the middle of a cold spell caused that cold spell. I don’t
Truly, folks, you need to get more suspicious. Assume that everyone is wrong, including me, and look at their claims from that perspective. If you can’t find holes in their claims, that’s good. But for goodness sakes, do not assume that they are correct. Look hard at things like the graph shown above.
w.
Willis,
My point continues to be that though the concept of nulear winter has apparently been debunked for nuclear weapons as a potential cause, a true supervolcano has the ability to cause such an event and there are none in your data. Perhaps there is no reliable data. Does not change the fact that the potential exists for a climate changing event based upon volcanism.
Jim G
@jim G.
Why not make the definition of a true supervolcano one that has a measurable change in global temperature? Then go on to admit that such an event has not yet occurred in the modern temperature record. Willis can claim that volcanoes do not affect global temperatures, but that does not make him right. He provides evidence of no real correlation between the temperature record and transmittance forcing change. Still he cannot claim victory. But he certainly has the higher ground. A compromise would be to agree that volcanoes have much less influence on global climate than we currently believe and that it would take a truly “super” volcano to lower world temperatures for any amount of time – the likes of which we have not seen in modern history.
And BTW you can’t use “fact” and “potential” together like that. The fact that a potential exists is meaningless until it happens, which it may never. Use possibility in place of fact.
Here is the reference to the four articles I wrote about volcanoes starting in 1993 that were not attached to my original comment on this thread.
http://drtimball.com/_files/volcanoes001.pdf
Steve from Rockwood says:
March 19, 2012 at 9:37 am
As I have told too many people in this thread already, LEARN TO READ. I repeat the following from the head post:
I don’t mind being questioned regarding what I’ve said.
But this now makes the fourth time that I have copied and pasted the above paragraph for people with reading comprehension problems. Could we make it the last time?
w.
PS—You are correct that my claims don’t make me right.
My evidence makes me right. The largest volcanoes in the modern era have had only a trivial effect on the temperature.
Jim G says:
March 19, 2012 at 8:58 am
Thanks, Jim. I am addressing the oft-repeated and widely-believed claim that volcanoes of the size of Pinatubo or Krakatoa are enough to significantly change the climate. I see no evidence for that at all.
Is it possible that a “supervolcano” could significantly affect the climate? Sure, anything is possible, but so what? That’s not the issue here, and we have no data on the supervolcano question.
w.