Unified Theory of Climate: Reply to Comments

Foreword – I’ve had this document since January 17th, and it has taken some time to get it properly reproduced here in full due to formatting issues. Some equations have to be converted to images, and I have to double check every superscript, subscript, and symbol for accuracy, then re-insert/re-format many manually since they often don’t reproduce properly in WordPress. WordPress doesn’t manage copy/paste of complex documents well. I hope that I have everything correctly reproduced, if not, please leave a note. A PDF of the original is here: UTC_Blog_Reply_Part1 This is a contentious issue, and while it would be a wonderful revelation if it were proven to be true, I personally cannot see any way it can surmount the law of conservation of energy. That view is shared by others, noted in the opening paragraph below. However, I’m providing this for the educational value it may bring to those who can take it all in and discuss it rationally, with a caution – because this issue is so contentious, I ask readers to self-moderate so that the WUWT moderation team does not have to be heavy handed. I invite you take it all in, and to come to your own conclusion. Thank you for your consideration. – Anthony

Part 1: Magnitude of the Natural ‘Greenhouse’ Effect

Ned Nikolov, Ph.D. and Karl Zeller, Ph.D.

  1. Introduction

Our recent paper “Unified Theory of Climate: Expanding the Concept of Atmospheric Greenhouse Effect Using Thermodynamic Principles. Implications for Predicting Future Climate Change” spurred intense discussions at WUWT and Tallbloke’s Talkshop websites. Many important questions were raised by bloggers and two online articles by Dr. Ira Glickstein (here) and Dr. Roy Spencer (here). After reading through most responses, it became clear to us that that an expanded explanation is needed. We present our reply in two separate articles that address blog debate foci as well as key aspects of the new paradigm.

Please, consider that understanding this new theory requires a shift in perception! As Albert Einstein once noted, a new paradigm cannot be grasped within the context of an existing mindset; hence, we are constrained by the episteme we are living in. In that light, our concept requires new definitions that may or may not have exact counterparts in the current Greenhouse theory. For example, it is crucial for us to introduce and use the term Atmospheric Thermal Effect (ATE) because: (a) The term Greenhouse Effect (GE) is inherently misleading due to the fact that the free atmosphere, imposing no restriction on convective cooling, does not really work as a closed greenhouse; (b) ATE accurately coveys the physical essence of the phenomenon, which is the temperature boost at the surface due to the presence of atmosphere; (c) Reasoning in terms of ATE vs. GE helps broaden the discussion beyond radiative transfer; and (d) Unlike GE, the term Atmospheric Thermal Effect implies no underlying physical mechanism(s).

We start with the undisputable fact that the atmosphere provides extra warmth to the surface of Earth compared to an airless environment such as on the Moon. This prompts two basic questions: (1) What is the magnitude of this extra warmth, i.e. the size of ATE ? and (2) How does the atmosphere produce it, i.e. what is the physical mechanism of ATE ? In this reply we address the first question, since it appears to be the crux of most people’s difficulty and needs a resolution before proceeding with the rest of the theory (see, for example, Lord Monckton’s WUWT post).

  1. Magnitude of Earth’s Atmospheric Thermal Effect

We maintain that in order to properly evaluate ATE one must compare Earth’s average near-surface temperature to the temperature of a spherical celestial body with no atmosphere at the same distance from the Sun. Note that, we are not presently concerned with the composition or infrared opacity of the atmosphere. Instead, we are simply trying to quantify the overall effect of our atmosphere on the surface thermal environment; hence the comparison with a similarly illuminated airless planet. We will hereafter refer to such planet as an equivalent Planetary Gray Body (PGB).

Since temperature is proportional (linearly related) to the internal kinetic energy of a system, it is theoretically perfectly justifiable to use meanglobal surface temperatures to quantify the ATE. There are two possible indices one could employ for this:

  1. The absolute difference between Earth’s mean temperature (Ts) and that of an equivalent PGB (Tgb), i.e. ATE = TsTgb; or
  1. The ratio of Ts to Tgb. The latter index is particularly attractive, since it normalizes (standardizes) ATE with respect to the top-of-atmosphere (TOA) solar irradiance (So), thus enabling a comparison of ATEs among planets that orbit at various distances from the Sun and receive different amounts of solar radiation. We call this non-dimensional temperature ratio a Near-surface Thermal Enhancement (ATEn) and denote it by NTE = Ts / Tgb. In theory, therefore, NTE should be equal or greater than 1.0 (NTE ≥ 1.0). Please, note that ATEn is a measure of ATE.

It is important to point out that the current GE theory measures ATE not by temperature, but by the amount of absorbed infrared (IR) radiation. Although textbooks often mention that Earth’s surface is 18K-33K warmer than the Moon thanks to the ‘greenhouse effect’ of our atmosphere, in the scientific literature, the actual effect is measured via the amount of outgoing infrared radiation absorbed by the atmosphere (e.g. Stephens et al. 1993; Inamdar & Ramanathan 1997; Ramanathan & Inamdar 2006; Houghton 2009). It is usually calculated as a difference (occasionally a ratio) between the total average infrared flux emanating at the surface and that at the top of the atmosphere. Defined in this way, the average atmospheric GE, according to satellite observations, is between 157 and 161 W m-2 (Ramanathan & Inamdar 2006; Lin et al. 2008; Trenberth et al. 2009). In other words, the current theory uses radiative flux units instead of temperature units to quantify ATE. This approach is based on the preconceived notion that GE works by reducing the rate of surface infrared cooling to space. However, measuring a phenomenon with its presumed cause instead by its manifest effect can be a source of major confusion and error as demonstrated in our study. Hence, we claim that the proper assessment of ATE depends on an accurate estimate of the mean surface temperature of an equivalent PGB (Tgb).

  1. Estimating the Mean Temperature of an Equivalent Planetary Gray Body

There are two approaches to estimate Tgb – a theoretical one based on known physical relationships between temperature and radiation, and an empirical one relying on observations of the Moon as the closest natural gray body to Earth.

According to the Stefan-Boltzmann (SB) law, any physical object with a temperature (T, oK) above the absolute zero emits radiation with an intensity (I, W m-2) that is proportional to the 4th power of the object’s absolute temperature:

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where ϵ is the object’s thermal emissivity/absorptivity (0 ≤ ϵ ≤ 1 ), and σ = 5.6704×10-8 W m-2 K-4 is the SB constant. A theoretical blackbody has ϵ = 1.0, while real solid objects such as rocks usually have ϵ ≈ 0.95. In principle, Eq. (1) allows for an accurate calculation of an object’s equilibrium temperature given the amount of absorbed radiation by the object, i.e.

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The spatially averaged amount of solar radiation absorbed by the Earth-Atmosphere system (Sα ̅̅̅, W m-2) can be accurately computed from TOA solar irradiance (Sα ̅̅̅, W m-2) and planetary albedo (αp) as

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where the TOA shortwave flux (W m-2) incident on a plane perpendicular to the solar rays. The factor ¼ serves to distribute the solar flux incident on a flat surface to a sphere. It arises from the fact that the surface area of a sphere (4πR2) is 4 times larger than the surface area of a disk (πR2) of the same radius (R). Hence, it appears logical that one could estimate Earth’s average temperature in the absence of ATE from using the SB law. i.e.

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Here (TeK) is known as the effective emission temperature of Earth. Employing typical values for S0 =W m-2 and αp = 0.3 and assuming, ϵ  = 1.0 Eq. (3) yields 254.6K. This is the basis for the widely quoted 255K (-18C) mean surface temperature of Earth in the absence of a ‘greenhouse effect’, i.e. if the atmosphere were missing or ‘completely transparent’ to IR radiation. This temperature is also used to define the so-called effective emission height in the troposphere (at about 5 km altitude), where the bulk of Earth’s outgoing long-wave radiation to space is assumed to emanate from. Since Earth’s mean surface temperature is 287.6K (+14.4C), the present theory estimates the size of ATE to be 287.6K – 254.6K = 33K. However, as pointed out by other studies, this approach suffers from a serious logical error. Removing the atmosphere (or even just the water vapor in it) would result in a much lower planetary albedo, since clouds are responsible for most of Earth’s shortwave reflectance. Hence, one must use a different albedo (αp) in Eq. (3) that only quantifies the actual surface reflectance. A recent analysis of Earth’s global energy budget by Trenberth et al. (2009) using satellite observations suggests αp≈ 0.12. Serendipitously, this value is quite similar to the Moon bond albedo of 0.11 (see Table 1 in our original paper), thus allowing evaluation of Earth’s ATE using our natural satellite as a suitable PGB proxy. Inserting= 0.12 in Eq. (3) produces Te = 269.6K, which translates into an ATE of only 18K (i.e. 287.6 – 269.6 = 18K).

In summary, the current GE theory employs a simple form of the SB law to estimate the magnitude of Earth’s ATE between 18K and 33K. The theory further asserts that the Moon average temperature is 250K to 255K despite the fact that using the correct lunar albedo (0.11) in Eq. (3) produces ≈270K, i.e. a15K to 20K higher temperature! Furthermore, the application of Eq. (3) to calculate the mean temperature of a sphere runs into a fundamental mathematical problem caused by Hölder’s inequality between non-linear integrals (e.g. Kuptsov 2001). What does this mean? Hölder’s inequality applies to certain non-linear functions and states that, in such functions, the use of an arithmetic average for the independent (input) variable will not produce a correct mean value of the dependent (output) variable. Hence, due to a non-linear relationship between temperature and radiative flux in the SB law (Eq. 3) and the variation of absorbed radiation with latitude on a spherical surface, one cannot correctly calculate the mean temperature of a unidirectionally illuminated planet from the amount of spatially averaged absorbed radiation defined by Eq. (2). According to Hölder’s inequality, the temperature calculated from Eq. (3) will always be significantly higher than the actual mean temperature of an airless planet. We can illustrate this effect with a simple example.

Let’s consider two points on the surface of a PGB, P1 and P2, located at the exact same latitude (say 45oN) but at opposite longitudes so that, when P1 is fully illuminated, P2 is completely shaded and vice versa (see Fig. 1). If the PGB is orbiting at the same distance from the Sun as Earth and solar rays were the only source of heat to it, then the equilibrium temperature at the illuminated point would be (assuming a solar zenith angle θ = 45o), while the temperature at the shaded point would be T2 = 0 (since it receives no radiation due to cosθ < 0). The mean temperature between the two points is then Tm = (T1 + T2)/2 = 174.8K. However, if we try using the average radiation absorbed by the two points W m-2 to calculate a mean temperature, we obtain = 234.2K. Clearly, Te is much greater than Tm (TeTm), which is a result of Hölder’s inequality.

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Figure 1. Illustration of the effect of Hölder’s inequality on calculating the mean surface temperature of an airless planet. See text for details.

The take-home lesson from the above example is that calculating the actual mean temperature of an airless planet requires explicit integration of the SB law over the planet surface. This implies first taking the 4th root of the absorbed radiative flux at each point on the surface and then averaging the resulting temperature field rather than trying to calculate a mean temperature from a spatially averaged flux as done in Eq. (3).

Thus, we need a new model that is capable of predicting Tgb more robustly than Eq. (3). To derive it, we adopt the following reasoning. The equilibrium temperature at any point on the surface of an airless planet is determined by the incident solar flux, and can be approximated (assuming uniform albedo and ignoring the small heat contributions from tidal forces and interior radioactive decay) as

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where is the solar zenith angle (radian) at point , which is the angle between solar rays and the axis normal to the surface at that point (see Fig. 1). Upon substituting , the planet’s mean temperature () is thus given by the spherical integral of , i.e.

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Comparing the final form of Eq. (5) with Eq. (3) shows that Tgb << Te in accordance with Hölder’s inequality. To make the above expression physically more realistic, we add a small constant Cs =0.0001325 W m-2 to So, so that when So = 0.0, Eq. (5) yields Tgb = 2.72K (the irreducible temperature of Deep Space), i.e:

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In a recent analytical study, Smith (2008) argued that Eq. (5) only describes the mean temperature of a non-rotating planet and that, if axial rotation and thermal capacity of the surface are explicitly accounted for, the average temperature of an airless planet would approach the effective emission temperature. It is beyond the scope of the current article to mathematically prove the fallacy of this argument. However, we will point out that increasing the mean equilibrium temperature of a physical body always requires a net input of extra energy. Adding axial rotation to a stationary planet residing in a vacuum, where there is no friction with the external environment does not provide any additional heat energy to the planet surface. Faster rotation and/or higher thermal inertia of the ground would only facilitate a more efficient spatial distribution of the absorbed solar energy, thus increasing the uniformity of the resulting temperature field across the planet surface, but could not affect the average surface temperature. Hence, Eq. (6) correctly describe (within the assumption of albedo uniformity) the global mean temperature of any airless planet, be it rotating or non-rotating.

Inserting typical values for Earth and Moon into Eq. (6), i.e. So = 1,362 W m-2, αo = 0.11, and ϵ = 0.955, produces Tgb = 154.7K. This estimate is about 100K lower than the conventional black-body temperature derived from Eq. (3) implying that Earth’s ATE (i.e. the GE) is several times larger than currently believed! Such a result, although mathematically justified, requires independent empirical verification due to its profound implications for the current GE theory. As noted earlier, the Moon constitutes an ideal proxy PGB in terms of its location, albedo, and airless environment, against which the thermal effect of Earth’s atmosphere could be accurately assessed. Hence, we now turn our attention to the latest temperature observations of the Moon.

  1. NASA’s Diviner Lunar Radiometer Experiment

In June 2009, NASA launched its Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO), which carries (among other instruments) a Radiometer called Diviner. The purpose of Diviner is to map the temperature of the Moon surface in unprecedented detail employing measurements in 7 IR channels that span wavelengths from 7.6 to 400 μm. Diviner is the first instrument designed to measure the full range of lunar surface temperatures, from the hottest to the coldest. It also includes two solar channels that measure the intensity of reflected solar radiation enabling a mapping of the lunar shortwave albedo as well (for details, see the Diviner Official Website at http://www.diviner.ucla.edu/).

Although the Diviner Experiment is still in progress, most thermal mapping of the Moon surface has been completed and data are available online. Due to time constraints of this article, we did not have a chance to analyze Diviner’s temperature data ourselves. Instead, we elected to rely on information reported by the Diviner Science Team in peer-reviewed publications and at the Diviner website.

Data obtained during the LRO commissioning phase reveal that the Moon has one of the most extreme thermal environments in the solar system. Surface temperatures at low latitudes soar to 390K (+117C) around noon while plummeting to 90-95K (-181C), i.e. almost to the boiling point of liquid oxygen, during the long lunar night (Fig. 2). Remotely sensed temperatures in the equatorial region agree very well with direct measurement conducted on the lunar surface at 26.1o N by the Apollo 15 mission in early 1970s (see Huang 2008). In the polar regions, within permanently shadowed areas of large impact craters, Diviner has measured some of the coldest temperatures ever observed on a celestial body, i.e. down to 25K-35K (-238C to -248C). It is important to note that planetary scientists have developed detailed process-based models of the surface temperatures of Moon and Mercury some 13 years ago (e.g. Vasavada et al. 1999). These models are now being successfully validated against Diviner measurements (Paige et al. 2010b; Dr. M. Siegler at UCLA, personal communication).

What is most interesting to our discussion, however, are the mean temperatures at various lunar latitudes, for these could be compared to temperatures in similar regions on Earth to evaluate the size of ATE and to verify our calculations. Figure 3 depicts typical diurnal courses of surface temperature on the Moon at four latitudes (adopted from Paige et. al 2010a).

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Figure 2. Thermal maps of the Moon surface based on NASA’s Diviner infrared measurements showing daytime maximum and nighttime minimum temperature fields (Source: Diviner Web Site).

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Figure 3. Typical diurnal variations of the Moon surface temperature at various latitudes. Local time is expressed in lunar hours which correspond to 1/24 of a lunar month. At 89◦ latitude, diurnal temperature variations are shown at summer and winter solstices (adopted from Paige et al. 2010a). Dashed lines indicate annual means at the lunar equator and at the poles.

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Figure 4. Temperature maps of the South Pole of the Moon and Earth: (A) Daytime temperature field at peak illumination on the Moon; (B) Nighttime temperature field on the Moon; (C) Mean summer temperatures over Antarctica; (D) Mean winter temperatures over Antarctica. Numbers shown in bold on panels (C) and (D) are temperatures in oK. Panels (A) and (B) are produced by the Diviner Lunar Radiometer Experiment (Paige et al. 2010b). Antarctica maps are from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_climate). Comparison of surface temperatures between Moon’s South Pole and Antarctica suggests a thermal enhancement by the Earth atmosphere (i.e. a ‘Greenhouse Effect’) of about 107K in the summer and 178K in the winter for this part of the Globe.

Figures 4A & 4B display temperature maps of the Moon South Pole during daytime peak illumination and at night (Paige et. al 2010b). Since the Moon has a small obliquity (axial tilt) of only 1.54o and a slow rotation, the average diurnal temperatures are similar to seasonal temperature means. These data along with information posted at the Diviner Science webpage indicate that mean temperature at the lunar-surface ranges from 98K (-175C) at the poles to 206K (-67C) at the equator. This encompasses pretty well our theoretical estimate of 154.7K for the Moon mean global temperature produced by Eq. (6). In the coming months, we will attempt to calculate more precisely Moon’s actual mean temperature from Diviner measurements. Meanwhile, data published by NASA planetary scientists clearly show that the value 250K-255K adopted by the current GE theory as Moon’s average global temperature is grossly exaggerated, since such high temperature means do not occur at any lunar latitude! Even the Moon equator is 44K – 49K cooler than that estimate. This value is inaccurate, because it is the result of an improper application of the SB law to a sphere while assuming the wrong albedo (see discussion in Section 2.1 above)!

Similarly, the mean global temperatures of Mercury (440K) and Mars (210K) reported on the NASA Planetary Fact Sheet are also incorrect, since they have been calculated from the same Eq. (3) used to produce the 255K temperature for the Moon. We urge the reader to verify this claim by applying Eq. (3) with data for solar irradiance (So) and bond albedo (αo) listed on the fact sheet of each planet while setting ϵ = 1. This is the reason that, in our original paper, we used 248.2K for Mercury, since that temperature was obtained from the theoretically correct Eq. (6). For Mars, we adopted means calculated from regional data of near-surface temperature and pressure retrieved by the Radio Science Team at Stanford University employing remote observations by the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft. It is odd to say the least that the author of NASA’s Planetary Fact Sheets, Dr. David R. Williams, has chosen Eq. (3) to calculate Mars’ average surface temperature while ignoring the large body of high-quality direct measurements available for the Red Planet!?

So, what is the real magnitude of Earth’s Atmospheric Thermal Effect?

Table 1. Estimated Atmospheric Thermal Effect for equator and the poles based on observed surface temperatures on Earth and the Moon and using the lunar surface as a proxy for Earth’s theoretical gray body. Data obtained from Diviner’s Science webpage, Paige at al. (2010b), Figure 4, and Wikipedia:Oymyakon.

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Figure 5. Earth’s mean annual near-surface temperature according to Wikipedia (Geographic Zones: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical_zone).

Table 1 shows observed mean and record-low surface temperatures at similar latitudes on Earth and on the Moon. The ATE is calculated as a difference between Earth and Moon temperatures assuming that the Moon represents a perfect PGB proxy for Earth. Figure 5 displays a global map of Earth’s mean annual surface temperatures to help the reader visually verify some of the values listed in Table 1. The results of the comparison can be summarized as follows:

The Atmospheric Thermal Effect, presently known as the natural Greenhouse Effect, varies from 93K at the equator to about 150K at the poles (the latter number represents an average between North- and South- Pole ATE mean values, i.e. (158+143)/2 =150.5. This range encompasses quite well our theoretical estimate of 133K for the Earth’s overall ATE derived from Eq. (6), i.e. 287.6K – 154.7K = 132.9K.

Of course, further analysis of the Diviner data is needed to derive a more precise estimate of Moon’s mean surface temperature and verify our model prediction. However, given the published Moon measurements, it is clear that the widely quoted value of 33K for Earth’s mean ATE (GE) is profoundly misleading and wrong!

  1. Conclusion

We have shown that the SB Law relating radiation intensity to temperature (Eq. 1 & 3) has been incorrectly applied in the past to predict mean surface temperatures of celestial bodies including Mars, Mercury, and the Moon. Due to Hölder’s inequality between non-linear integrals, the effective emission temperature computed from Eq. (3) is always significantly higher than the actual (arithmetic) mean temperature of an airless planet. This makes the planetary emission temperature Te produced by Eq. (3) physically incompatible with any real measured temperatures on Earth’s surface or in the atmosphere. By using a proper integration of the SB Law over a sphere, we derived a new formula (Eq. 6) for estimating the average temperature of a planetary gray body (subject to some assumptions). We then compared the Moon mean temperature predicted by this formula to recent thermal observations and detailed energy budget calculation of the lunar surface conducted by the NASA Diviner Radiometer Experiment. Results indicate that Moon’s average temperature is likely very close to the estimate produced by our Eq. (6). At the same time, Moon measurements also show that the current estimate of 255K for the lunar average surface temperature widely used in climate science is unrealistically high; hence, further demonstrating the inadequacy of Eq. (3). The main result from the Earth-Moon comparison (assuming the Moon is a perfect gray-body proxy of Earth) is that the Earth’s ATE, also known as natural Greenhouse Effect, is 3 to 7 times larger than currently assumed. In other words, the current GE theory underestimates the extra atmospheric warmth by about 100K! In terms of relative thermal enhancement, the ATE translates into NTE = 287.6/154.7 = 1.86.

This finding invites the question: How could such a huge (> 80%) thermal enhancement be the result of a handful of IR-absorbing gases that collectively amount to less than 0.5% of total atmospheric mass? We recall from our earlier discussion that, according to observations, the atmosphere only absorbs 157 – 161 W m-2 long-wave radiation from the surface. Can this small flux increase the temperature of the lower troposphere by more than 100K compared to an airless environment? The answer obviously is that the observed temperature boost near the surface cannot be possibly due to that atmospheric IR absorption! Hence, the evidence suggests that the lower troposphere contains much more kinetic energy than radiative transfer alone can account for! The thermodynamics of the atmosphere is governed by the Gas Law, which states that the internal kinetic energy and temperature of a gas mixture is also a function of pressure (among other things, of course). In the case of an isobaric process, where pressure is constant and independent of temperature such as the one operating at the Earth surface, it is the physical force of atmospheric pressure that can only fully explain the observed near-surface thermal enhancement (NTE). But that is the topic of our next paper… Stay tuned!

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wayne
January 22, 2012 7:59 pm

gnarf says:
January 22, 2012 at 2:15 pm
The integral of u^0.25/sqrt(1-u^2) from 0 to 1 gives a little bit less than 0.5 (quick numerical approximation).
So what you finally get with a correct substitution (and dividing the integral by 2PI the surface of half a sphere as the integral is made on half a sphere!) is not Tgb=2/5 […]^0.25 but Tgb~1/2[…]^0.25 that is to say 1.6 times your result.
For your example with earth it gives Tgb~1.6*154.7=247.52 K
gnarf says:
January 22, 2012 at 1:53 pm
There is a big problem in the integral when they make the substitution u=cos(theta).
if u=cos(theta) you have to express dtheta using du to make the substitution.
dtheta=-du/sqrt(1-u2)
So after substitution you have something with u^0.25/sqrt(1-u^2) to integrate, and certainly not u^0.25 only!!!
http://www.sosmath.com/calculus/integration/substitution/substitution.html
Sorry, but this is plain terrible.
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Terrible? In fact, the math is correct, no errors there. This has been checked by numerical integration using two different geometries. Maybe the explicit meaning of mu under the radial threw you.

Joel Shore
January 22, 2012 8:03 pm

( http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/01/22/unified-theory-of-climate-reply-to-comments/#comment-872929 ):
Nothing that you show from Trenberth’s diagram contradicts what I said. Trenberth’s diagram is for the actual Earth’s atmosphere where some of the terrestrial radiation is absorbed by the atmosphere (and said atmosphere also radiates). If this were not the case and the Earth’s surface still emitted 390 W/m^2 of radiation from the surface, then all of that radiation would escape to space and the energy balance at the top of the atmosphere would be 240 W/m^2 of solar radiation coming in (and being absorbed, as opposed to the part that is reflected) with 390 W/m^2 of terrestrial radiation going out.
The problem is not getting those numbers to balance with the radiative greenhouse effect…The problem is getting them to balance without the radiative greenhouse effect.

Genghis
January 22, 2012 8:05 pm

My take on this subject, is that an atmosphere (and ocean) transfers energy from the hotter portion of the surface (the tropics in our case) to the colder portions of the surface, simultaneously cooling the hottest portion and warming the cooler portion. This results in an average surface temperature that is much higher than a planet without the atmosphere physically distributing the energy, primarily due to the T^4 law.
Radiation, especially from the hotter surface portions, is a net loss and does not effectively transport the energy to the colder portions of the globe.
Just a glance at the atmospheric and ocean circulatory patterns demonstrate the energy pathways and mechanisms.

January 22, 2012 8:17 pm

Fellows,
I’d like to make a point to those of you, who have no formal training in physical science. You should be careful about how strongly you feel about certain science aspects of this new theory. For instance, if you know your calculus skills are weak, don’t try to figure out what’s wrong with our solution to the integral in Eq. 5, and then share your opinion on the blog as if your were making a contribution. You are NOT! Instead, you are only muddying the discussion. For example, Willis Eschenbach (whose comments I have followed for 2 weeks now) relentlessly tries to find problems with the math in our papers (to no avail, of course), while demonstrating at the same time a remarkable lack of skills in math. He actually admits his total lack of science credentials and science education in this 2010 video :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrSjS0IYZ2M
Science is like any other field – it takes a formal education and many years of practice to reach proficiency. Just like I do not pretend to know farming or accounting, and would not express strong opinions on these topics, folks with no training in physical sciences and math, should have a bit more trust and respect in those, who make a living on it. Also, keep in mind that the only way for us to get out of the current AGW confusion is through solid and clear science, not by creating more confusion!
Please, do not take this post of a sign of arrogance on my part. It is not. I’m only trying to steer the discussion into a more productive mode … Thank you for your understanding!
Respectfully,
– Ned Nikolov

Björn
January 22, 2012 8:28 pm

Willis , Joel is right about the integration and the result given is the correct one as he explains , and the substitution from muy = cos(theta) is both eminently legal and a standard simplification used to get the double integral ( around the equator therfore from 0 to 2*pi for the phi , and then from pole to pole for theta i.e from 0 to Pi) of the area element dA = r^2 * sin(theta)d(theta)d(phi) to find an area of a sphere with radius r, r is a constant that does not affect the calculation here, it can therefore be set to 1 ( earth radii ) and as d(muy)/d(theta) = -sin(theta) it follows that
d(theta) = -d(muy)/sin(theta) and after the substitution and with r=1 the area element becomes
dA = – d(muy)d(phi) , and the lower bound on the inner integral becomes +1 ( theta = cos(0)) and the upper bound becomes -1 (= theta = cos(Pi) ), switching them gets rid of the minus in the -d(muy)d(phi) and the you have the integrand as Ti d(muy)d(theta) , and as the total area of a sphere with radius 1 is 4pi , you divide the total temperature integral with that to get the mean temp per area element. And as Joel pointed out you only have to integrate the from zero to one in the inner integral as Ti is zero when theta lies in the interval from [pi/2,Pi] i.e when muy is in [0,-1].
In other words the math used for getting from equation 4 to eqution 5 ( and equ 6 ) , is solid, and the result of course valid iff equation 4 can stand on its feet all by it self. The argument for it looks sensible but, there are some holes in my knowlegde which have to be mended before I can form passable opinion as to of its validity.
And Gnarf if you read this you see that the missing division by sqrt( 1 – muy^2) ( == sin(theta)) you were going on about really canceled out as a result of the a carefully chosen substitution. I suggest you consult the “Sphere” article in Wikipedia especially the paragraph about how formula for the surface of a sphere can be found using a spherical double integral.

kzeller
January 22, 2012 8:31 pm

The equations we have given you bloggers are simple and they work. Why aren’t you all trying to disprove our MIRACLE equation rather than banging your heads against walls trying to prove or disprove who knows what and exclaiming you have problems with this or that? The question is how can we possibly have done it – there is no question that our equations work – if you haven’t verified that it works, why haven’t you? What are you all afraid of: the realization that the Earth could be 100% nitrogen or 100% CO2 or 100% naughty vapours of some sort, and using the same surface pressure, would provide for the same average global surface temperature? Why are you all trying to include so-called GH gases; ocean modulations; re-radiations; crusts, your grandma’s bad breath and so on ad nauseam? These are not part of our theory. These parameters & ideas have absolutely nothing to do with the long term average global surface temperatures we are addressing and we’ve proved it with actual data for crying out loud. This is the miracle of our theory and why we called it the UTC? Why aren’t you thinking: “hmmmm, N&Z have given us an equation that lo-and-behold when we plug in the measured pressures and calculate Tgb as they suggest, gives us a calculated Ts that also matches measured values! You can’t disprove the equation? So maybe we are cooking the data books somehow, but how?

David
January 22, 2012 8:33 pm

David A says:
January 22, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Tim Folkerts says: January 22, 2012 at 3:58 pm
R. Gates,
I often agree with you, but not here: “This difference is due to the Earth’s internal energy, some of which is emitted at the surface, and is not insubstantial. ”
The internal energy is mostly “insubstantial”. The flow of geothermal energy is typically estimated as ~ 0.1 W/m^2. Even if this was as high as 1 W/m^2, this is fairly small compared to the 240 W/m^2 from the sun. The moon would be 240 W/m^2, while earth would be 241 W/m^2, which would be a small difference (assuming both have the same albedo). Different albedos between the two would have a much bigger effect than any geothermal energy flows.
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Thanks Tim, is that flow based on land borehole data? Does it include the thinner ocean crust? Does it include volcanic and active geo thermal flows? Does it include oceanic volcanic and geo thermal flows? Does it include the residence time of heat in the ocean depths which may be centuries? How much heat is in the oceans from 500 years of continues flow into the oceans from geo thermal energy?

David
January 22, 2012 8:44 pm

Joel Shore says:
January 22, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Stephen Wilde says:
Joel says the atmosphere gets its energy solely from downward radiation from GHGs. The truth is that it is conduction and convection.
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‘No…You are attributing things to me that I have not said. What I have said is that the fact that conduction and convection exists doesn’t get you around the fact that the Earth with its current surface temperature is emitting ~390 W/m^2 and hence that, in the absence of an IR-absorbing atmosphere, the Earth system would be emitting ~150 W/m^2 more than it is absorbed from the sun and would rapidly cool down.”\
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Joel, can you think of no way for surface T to conduct to non GHGs, and back conduct energy to the surface? Can surface energy conducting to non GHG stay in the atmosphere longer then radiated surface energy, 50% plus of which leaves at the speed of light? So you have some DWR which by passes non GHG, heating the surface, which via conduction then flows to insulating (incapable of radiating to space) non GHGs, staying in the atmosphere longer then radiating GHGs, warming the atmosphere, decreasing the gradient from the ground. This warmed non GHG in the atmosphere may conduct to another molecue of non GHG, staying in the atmosphere far longer then if it conducted to a GHG where over 50% of the conducted heat can now speed from the atmosphere at light speed? It appears logical that for conducted surface T non GHGs create more warming and are a larger heat sink then GHGs.
How is the 390 W/m2 measured? It must be hard to measure the actual surface, verses the air just above the surface. Any answers to my questions are helpful.

R. Gates
January 22, 2012 9:08 pm

Bob Fernley Jones said:
“I hypothesize briefly that the most important and underestimated geothermal consideration is that the oceanic crust is generally much thinner than the continental crust, and since the ocean is a massive very dynamic highly conductive heat sink, a much more rapid heat transfer is undetectable, over ~70% of the Earth’s surface. Not only is the continental crust much thicker but it arguably has lower thermal conductivity because of much layering including limestones and sandstones that contain micro-macro conductive interfaces.”
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Very interesting idea. Considering how many undersea volcanoes there are, and how much heat could be transferred directly to the deep ocean water through direct heating, which through the THC, would eventually be brought to the surface and atmosphere, it is at least worth thinking about.
My basic point still seems valid in that the much higher internal heat of the Earth versus the Moon,(over 5000C versus 850C) and the much higher convection rates for Earth (or direct conduction of heat in the case of deep ocean water and volcanoes!), makes the Earth and Moon incompatible as gray-body equals. Even without an atmosphere (or ocean) if you did an infrared scan of the Earth and the Moon, you’d see two very different radiation graphs.

January 22, 2012 9:15 pm

I’m getting a lot out of this discussion, mostly sitting back and taking this thread in but wanted to make a few points:
1. No, the moon has a lot of drawbacks as a grey body model of the earth with no atmosphere, but that doesn’t make it useless. The moon does not exhibit the temperature profile one would expect from a straight SB Law calculation, and understanding why is of value.
2. The criticism that the moon has a 28 day cycle of day/night while the earth has a 24 hour cycle of day/night isn’t really complete. The poles for example, have a “night” and a “day” of several MONTHS each. Despite which, they don’t get either as cold or as warm as SB Law would suggest. Obviously air and ocean transports move a lot of energy from tropics to poles, but I’d suggest that effects from GHE would be neglible. While the tropics are busy blasting out 500 w/m2 of radiance, the poles are well under 200 w/m2. So there’s a sparcity of earth radiance to absorb and re-emitt in the first place. On top of that, there is a sparcity of GHG’s. Water vapour declines to nearly nothing at temperatures below freezing, and then there’s that famous ozone “hole”… so whatever moderates temperatures at the poles has a lot less to do with GHE than the rest of the planet.
3. I’ve mentioned heat capacity in several other threads and BenAW has also mentioned this. There is a fair bit of difference between heating something up from scratch and keeping something that is already warm at the same temperature. For example, at the putative 255K, radiance is 240 w/m2, which,over a 24 hour period, equates to 2.88 Kwh. So, at the risk of using the very “averages” I’ve argued against so strenuously, but in the interests of simplicity, if a surface at 255K were to receive 360 w/m2 for 8 hours, and 0 for 16 hours, it would remain in equilibrium because that would be 360*8=2.88 Kwh. But, the average insolation of that exact same surface would be, over the 24 hour time period, only 120 w/m2. This is part of what allows the temperature of the earth surface to be maintained at a temprature higher than would be anticipated by a calculation of average insolation.
dmh

January 22, 2012 9:29 pm

Ned Nikolov;
Science is like any other field – it takes a formal education and many years of practice to reach proficiency. Just like I do not pretend to know farming or accounting, and would not express strong opinions on these topics, folks with no training in physical sciences and math, should have a bit more trust and respect in those, who make a living on it. >>>
Ned, for those of us who have been following the debate in depth for any length of time, that statement is a non starter. Don’t take that the wrong way please, if you’ve been following the various threads you should know that I am one of your biggest chear leaders. But the sad fact is that climate science and the CAGW meme have reached the abysmal state of affairs that they are in today on the backs of horribly flawed and often completely misrepresented “science” churned out in truck loads by legions of researchers with those three letters… PhD… behind their name. We’ve got Keith Briffa PhD publishing 1,000 year temperature reconstructions of earth with 50% of the data coming from a single tree. We’ve got Michael Mann PhD with papers using the Tiljander data series literaly backwards from the rest of the data, not to mention his hockey stick graph drawn by a computer program that draws the same rough graph from almost any mix of data. Then there’s Phil Jones PhD who professes to be unable to draw a graph in Excel, and sees no harm in deleting decades of tree ring data that failed to show the temperature rise he was trying to prove. Kevin Trenberth PhD brags of getting an apology and resignation from the editor of an academic journal for the sin of publishing a paper that used observational data that conflicted with the results of computer models, following which he published a paper claiming that his “missing heat” was being sequestered in the ocean depths despite no instrumentation recording its passing from the surface on down.
We’ve been inundated with PhD’s pawning deeply flawed and sometimes frau)ulent work and demanding it be taken at face value because, well, they’re trained scientists and we’re not.
But thanks for expanding on your original article. Your work is a tour de force and while I expect that there will be plenty of people from both sides of the debate doing their best to pull it down, it will stand for one reason and one reason only.
You guys nailed it!

R. Gates
January 22, 2012 9:30 pm

kzeller said:
What are you all afraid of: the realization that the Earth could be 100% nitrogen or 100% CO2 or 100% naughty vapours of some sort, and using the same surface pressure, would provide for the same average global surface temperature?
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Don’t know anything about “naughty vapours”, but the basic equations for the absorption and re-emission of LW radiation by greenhouse gases are pretty robust and have faced many decades of very intense scrutiny. Downwelling LW is measured daily all around the world, in all kinds of sky conditions, at a wide variety of latitudes, and the effects are quite quantifiable. Greenhouse gases warm the surface through the absorption and re-emission of LW radiation. Now, might they (and non-greenhouse gases) also warm the surface through surface pressure? Possibly– but then the question become one of quantifying the relative contribution of each. One thing is certain though– the “greenhouse” behavior of the “greenhouse” gases is essential to maintaining a fairly critical amount of the surface temperature, such that, if you were to take the “minor trace gas” of CO2 out of the atmosphere, and replace it with the exact same amount of a non-greenhouse gas, nitrogen for example, the Earth returns to the snowball state in a few decades– and surface pressure won’t change that. You could barely measure the additional nitrogen you’d have added to replace the CO2, but the effects would be quite noticeable. Bottom line: the atmospheric pressure contribution of CO2 to surface pressure is barely measurable, but the effects on surface temperature is quite so because the surface temperature is more a function of LW absorption and re-emission than surface pressure.

January 22, 2012 9:31 pm

One more comment: Please, stop going in circles with this radiative transfer! Contemplate on this (which is a major conclusion from our analysis of observed planetary data): the long-wave (LW) radiation in the atmosphere is a RESULT (a BYPRODUCT if you will) of the atmospheric temperature, NOT a cause for the latter! The atmospheric temperature, in turn, is a function of solar heating and pressure!
The so-called GH effect is a pressure phenomenon, not a radiative phenomenon! That’s because no back radiation can rise the Earth’s surface temperature some 133K above the corresponding no-atmosphere (gray body) temperature. AND yes, the thermal effect of our atmosphere is well over 100K as proven by NASA’s recent observations of Moon surface temperatures.
Also, consider this: the Earth’s albedo is 0.3, while Moon’s albedo is only 0.11. This means that the Moon absorbs 27.1% more solar radiation than Earth (see Eq. 2 in this paper about how to calculate the planet’s mean absorbed radiation). Yet, Earth’s surface is 133 degrees warmer on average that the Moon surface!! Where is that huge enhancement coming from? It comes from pressure through its physical characteristic called FORCE! The kinetic energy of the air is given by the product PV (Pressure x Gas Volume), which is the same as Force Per Unit Area x Gas Volume. Without the force of pressure, there will be no kinetic energy of the atmosphere and no atmospheric temperature (T). On a planetary scale, pressure is a FORCE that is independent of solar heating since it is only a function of the atmospheric mass and gravity. Atmospheric volume, on the other hand, is a function of solar heating, so that the ratio T/V is constant on average! Solar heating can change the temperature through changing gas volume, while pressure can change the temperature through its physical force!
We are NOT claiming that the warming observed over the past 110 years is due to changes in pressure. Not at ALL. This warming, which incidentally began in 1650 is due to a different mechanism – a reduction in global cloud cover by about 1.2%. Earth’s total cloud cover is about 65%. These small changes in cloud cover are due to variation in solar magnetic activity, and they cannot exceed 1.1% – 1.4%. … Let me know if you have any questions …

Dan in Nevada
January 22, 2012 9:33 pm

The Diviner data, which I’d like to hear more about, seems to be rocking the boat. Now, all of a sudden, a GHG-free atmosphere can raise planetary temperature without violating the laws of thermodynamics, but only by 100 degrees. You still need GHGs, though, to get that extra 33 degrees. OR, the earth is different enough from the moon that calculating the theoretical S-B blackbody temperature absolutely can’t be done the same for both, whereas it was earlier explained that most known planetary bodies are similar enough that it doesn’t matter. OR, the earth generates enough geothermal heat to make all the difference. Like Steve McIntyre would say, you really have to keep your eye on the pea.
I’m just being facetious, but I agree with kzeller that hardly anybody is addressing their central point. Those knowledgable enough to do so appear to be saying they are right (so far). Can’t wait for part 2.

Bob Fernley-Jones
January 22, 2012 9:34 pm

wayne January 22, 7:59 pm,
Wayne, in your exchange with Gnarf, in part:

[Gnarf:] …Sorry, but this [N&Z integration] is plain terrible.
[ Wayne:] Terrible? In fact, the math is correct, no errors there. This has been checked by numerical integration using two different geometries. Maybe the explicit meaning of mu under the radial threw you…

Apparently in desperation, or plain cussedness, Gnarf and others, (including the font of total wisdom; Willis), have been arguing against the mathematical skills of two PhD’s in physics. I’m confident that quite apart from their own skills, N&Z are aware that their hypothesis is controversial, and that they have had access to second opinions on their maths.
I’m rusty on that stuff after decades away from it, but it seems to me that just because some do not understand the N&Z maths, it does not mean that they are wrong.

George E. Smith;
January 22, 2012 9:39 pm

So if the Temperature of the earth is a consequence of the atmospheric pressure, why does it aapear, and is claimed, that the earth Temperature is steadily increasing; and at an increasingly accelerating (and alarming) rate.
Do the authors have observational data showing that earth’s atmospheric pressure rises and falls with the rise and fall of the observed earth Temperature.
I’m not going to question their equations; nor am I going to question the accuracy of their integrations (the actual mechanics thereof); but any agreement between their calculations, and experimental observations is no proof of causation; and that is the case no matter how closely their calculated results match any observational results. In any case, do we even know what the earth mean Temperature is, in the absence of a sampled data set, that is even close to satisfying the Nyquist sampling theorem for sampled data systems.
And in case anyone thinks that an “accurate” agreement between observation and “theory” is such justification; I’m aware of an agreement between experiment and theory that was within 1/3rd of the standard deviation of the very best experimental measurement; and we are talking of agreement to 8 significant digits for a fundamental Physical Constant; the Fine Structure Constant.
The theory that calculated the fine structure constant to eight significant digits was totally bogus; just simply messing about with numbers; the theory contained absolutely no input at all from the physical universe. Subsequent investigation came up with a list of about 12 numbers derived from simple formulas of the same generic kind; all of which agreed with the fine structure constant to eight significant digits.
So unless the authors can show a “cause and effect” linkage bewteen the atmospheric pressure, and the average surface Temperature; the “Unified” stature of their theory remains unconvincing.
And by the way, I do have the necessities to check their calculations and their integrals; but there is no incentive to do so, since I doubt that their thesis rises or falls on the basis of some simple mathematical mistakes.
So I’ll leave it for the young lions to look for boo-boos; I doubt that mathematics will be the origin of any deficiencies.

January 22, 2012 9:50 pm

Ned Nikolov said January 22, 2012 at 8:17 pm

Fellows,
I’d like to make a point to those of you, who have no formal training in physical science. You should be careful about how strongly you feel about certain science aspects of this new theory. For instance, if you know your calculus skills are weak, don’t try to figure out what’s wrong with our solution to the integral in Eq. 5, and then share your opinion on the blog as if your were making a contribution. You are NOT! Instead, you are only muddying the discussion. For example, Willis Eschenbach (whose comments I have followed for 2 weeks now) relentlessly tries to find problems with the math in our papers (to no avail, of course), while demonstrating at the same time a remarkable lack of skills in math. He actually admits his total lack of science credentials and science education in this 2010 video :

Science is like any other field – it takes a formal education and many years of practice to reach proficiency. Just like I do not pretend to know farming or accounting, and would not express strong opinions on these topics, folks with no training in physical sciences and math, should have a bit more trust and respect in those, who make a living on it. Also, keep in mind that the only way for us to get out of the current AGW confusion is through solid and clear science, not by creating more confusion!
Please, do not take this post of a sign of arrogance on my part. It is not. I’m only trying to steer the discussion into a more productive mode … Thank you for your understanding!
Respectfully,
– Ned Nikolov

I find it somewhat odd that you criticise Willis for being an autodidact and despite trying “to find problems with the math in our papers” not succeeding. Do I take this to mean that there are problems with the mathematics that Willis lacks the skill to find?
You ignore the contributions to the discussion of Robert Brown, De Witt Payne, Joel Shore and others despite that they appear to have the credentials that Willis lacks. You have provided no significant input to the discussion to clear the confusion other than ask for our trust based on your credentials.
You might want to learn a little humility.

January 22, 2012 9:52 pm

OOOPS! I bungled the math in my point 3 above. Too many beers. Night night, I’ll re do it in the AM.

January 22, 2012 9:53 pm

Davidmhoffer (January 22, 2012 at 9:29 pm),
Your point about PhDs is well taken, and I totally agree with you that there have been a number of ‘bad apples’ labeled with those 3 letters. However, since the issue still needs a robust (real) science to be resolved, we cannot expect that such solutions will come from amateurs like Willis who struggle with basic math … That was my point.
Thank you for the high mark you gave our work!

R. Gates
January 22, 2012 10:02 pm

Ned Nikolov says:
January 22, 2012 at 9:31 pm
“The so-called GH effect is a pressure phenomenon, not a radiative phenomenon!”
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Explain then please, how the higher amounts of downwelling LW, as measured over the Arctic occurs on cloudy nights, if there is no GH effect from the water vapor in the clouds? This is not to say some warming might not also occur from atmospheric pressure itself, but it seems that the actual measurable downwelling LW is being left out– and this can’t be coming from the non-greenhouse gases, so WUWT? Take away all greenhouse gases and replace them with more nitrogen and oxygen, (even though these would be very small additions to the current total of these gases in the atmosphere) and the surface temperature of Earth has a very different (and much lower profile). Surface pressure alone would not prevent another snowball Earth episode. Replace all the CO2 in Venus’ atmosphere with Nitrogen and Venus cools off quickly.

George E. Smith;
January 22, 2012 10:02 pm

The authors claim early in their thesis that the LWIR downward emission from the atmosphere is a consequence of the atmospheric Temperature which in turn per their new theory, is a function of the atmospheric pressure.
So how do the author’s stand on the claim that the atmospheric gases (sans GHGs) do NOT radiate thermal radiation esponsive to the gas Temperature. They seem to be arguing that those ordinary atmospheric gases are and must radiate a themal spectrum. I don’t disagree with that assertion, but I fail to see how the ideal gas law applies to an open system where the volume, the Temperature, and the pressure are all varying quantities.
It seems to me that so long as the total mass (number of molecules) in the earth atmosphere remains fixed, the average pressure is also constant, and Temperature and volume would vary together, as the atmosphere rises and falls due to heating.

January 22, 2012 10:06 pm

George E. Smith:
To answer your question about the cause of recent warming see my post above:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/01/22/unified-theory-of-climate-reply-to-comments/#comment-873000
Also, read our original paper linked the article of this blog.
In regard to the ‘accelerating warming’ claim, it is baseless! All global temperature records (surface and satellite alike) show that the global temperature stopped rising in 1998 – 2000. The temperature trend has been flat for about 12-13 years now. Over the same period, temperatures over the Continental US have been dropping at a rate of -0.42C/decade! So, we have large continental masses cooling for 11 years now. That’s what the actual data show, see:
http://www.climate4you.com/
Yes, we know what’s global temperature is with a fairly high precision (+14.4C). We have a network of surface stations supplemented with satellite observations (which cover the World from wall to wall).

Jenn Oates
January 22, 2012 10:09 pm

I’m poleaxed, and wondering however will I manage to condense this to elevator length for my students. :). The math, it burns!

Bob Fernley-Jones
January 22, 2012 10:10 pm

Edim January 22, 7:33 pm
In your exchange with Joel Shore, I’ll comment on your final lines:

…It’s wrong to claim that Earth’s surface emits an average of 390 W/m2, implying that it’s the heat flux of 390 W/m2. Earth’s surface net radiative loss is:
396 – 333 = 63 W/m2 (if the Trenberth’s numbers are correct).

Well yes! For a start, EMR (radiation) is a different form of energy to HEAT. Furthermore, the 396 EMR from the surface is omnidirectional, (= equally in all directions hemispherically), and in an absorptive atmosphere, it cannot all escape to space, or magically get changed to travel only upwards. Most of it approaches the horizontal and is self-cancelling. See my article on this in latest draft : http://bobfjones.wordpress.com/2011/10/16/studying-the-trenberth-et-al-earths-energy-budget-diagram/
No one has dismantled it yet, on a very similar version at WUWT, attracting 639 comments.

January 22, 2012 10:13 pm

George E. Smith; said January 22, 2012 at 9:39 pm

So if the Temperature of the earth is a consequence of the atmospheric pressure, why does it aapear, and is claimed, that the earth Temperature is steadily increasing; and at an increasingly accelerating (and alarming) rate.
Do the authors have observational data showing that earth’s atmospheric pressure rises and falls with the rise and fall of the observed earth Temperature.

One early commenter remarked that the Pterosaurs (flying “dinosaurs”) could only have flown in a much denser atmosphere than that of the present day and that N&Z’s hypothesis explained this higher temperature/higher density atmospheric relation. Warren Carey of expanding Earth fame claimed that gravity was very much less in those days and that explained their ability to fly. Since he was a fully qualified geologist and the founder of the school of geology I attended in 2003, perhaps I should take Ned Nikolov’s advice and defer to his fully qualified judgement 😉

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