The post below on Dr. Roy Spencer’s blog that contains responses from Spencer and Christy deserves wide distribution and attention, because it shows just how badly Ben Santer and John Abraham want to squelch this dataset. Particularly amusing is the labeling of a graph in an Andrew Freidman article at WaPo as alisting of “corrections”, when in fact it is nothing more than the advance of the trend in step with the graph below.
Addressing Criticisms of the UAH Temperature Dataset at 1/3 Century
by Roy W. Spencer, Ph. D.
The UAH satellite-based global temperature dataset has reached 1/3 of a century in length, a milestone we marked with a press release in the last week (e.g. covered here).
As a result of that press release, a Capital Weather Gang blog post by Andrew Freedman was dutifully dispatched as damage control, since we had inconveniently noted the continuing disagreement between climate models used to predict global warming and the satellite observations.
What follows is a response by John Christy, who has been producing these datasets with me for the last 20 years:
Many of you are aware that as a matter of preference I do not use the blogosphere to report information about climate or to correct the considerable amount of misinformation that appears out there related to our work. My general rule is never to get in a fight with someone who owns an obnoxious website, because you are simply a tool of the gatekeeper at that point.
However, I thought I would do so here because a number of folks have requested an explanation about a blog post connected to the Washington Post that appeared on 20 Dec. Unfortunately, some of the issues are complicated, so the comments here will probably not satisfy those who want the details and I don’t have time to address all of its errors.
Earlier this week we reported on the latest monthly global temperature update, as we do every month, which is distributed to dozens of news outlets. With 33 years of satellite data now in the hopper (essentially a third of a century) we decided to comment on the long-term character, noting that the overall temperature trend of the bulk troposphere is less than that of the IPCC AR4 climate model projections for the same period. This has been noted in several publications, and to us is not a new or unusual statement.
Suggesting that the actual climate is at odds with model projections does not sit well with those who desire that climate model output be granted high credibility. I was alerted to this blog post within which are, what I can only call, “myths” about the UAH lower tropospheric dataset and model simulations. I’m unfamiliar with the author (Andrew Freedman) but the piece was clearly designed to present a series of assertions about the UAH data and model evaluation, to which we were not asked to respond. Without such a knowledgeable response from the expert creators of the UAH dataset, the mythology of the post may be preserved.
The first issue I want to address deals the relationship between temperature trends of observations versus model output. I often see such posts refer to an old CCSP document (2006) which, as I’ve reported in congressional testimony, was not very accurate to begin with, but which has been superseded and contradicted by several more recent publications.
These publications specifically document the fact that bulk atmospheric temperatures in the climate system are warming at only 1/2 to 1/4 the rate of the IPCC AR4 model trends. Indeed actual upper air temperatures are warming the same or less than the observed surface temperatures (most obvious in the tropics) which is in clear and significant contradiction to model projections, which suggest warming should be amplified with altitude.
The blog post even indicates one of its quoted scientists, Ben Santer, agrees that the upper air is warming less than the surface – a result with which no model agrees. So, the model vs. observational issue was not presented accurately in the post. This has been addressed in the peer reviewed literature by us and others (Christy et al. 2007, 2010, 2011, McKitrick et al. 2010, Klotzbach et al. 2009, 2010.)
Then, some people find comfort in simply denigrating the uncooperative UAH data (about which there have been many validation studies.) We were the first to develop a microwave-based global temperature product. We have sought to produce the most accurate representation of the real world possible with these data – there is no premium in generating problematic data. When problems with various instruments or processes are discovered, we characterize, fix and publish the information. That adjustments are required through time is obvious as no one can predict when an instrument might run into problems, and the development of such a dataset from satellites was uncharted territory before we developed the first methods.
The Freedman blog post is completely wrong when it states that “when the problems are fixed, the trend always goes up.” Indeed, there have been a number of corrections that adjusted for spurious warming, leading to a reduction in the warming trend. That the scientists quoted in the post didn’t mention this says something about their bias.
The most significant of these problems we discovered in the late 1990’s in which the calibration of the radiometer was found to be influenced by the temperature of the instrument itself (due to variable solar shadowing effects on a drifting polar orbiting spacecraft.) Both positive and negative adjustments were listed in the CCSP report mentioned above.
We are always working to provide the best products, and we may soon have another adjustment to account for an apparent spurious warming in the last few years of the aging Aqua AMSU (see operational notes here). We know the data are not perfect (no data are), but we have documented the relatively small error bounds of the reported trends using internal and external evidence (Christy et al. 2011.)
A further misunderstanding in the blog post is promoted by the embedded figure (below, with credit given to a John Abraham, no affiliation). The figure is not, as claimed in the caption, a listing of “corrections”:
The major result of this diagram is simply how the trend of the data, which started in 1979, changed as time progressed (with minor satellite adjustments included.) The largest effect one sees here is due to the spike in warming from the super El Nino of 1998 that tilted the trend to be much more positive after that date. (Note that the diamonds are incorrectly placed on the publication dates, rather than the date of the last year in the trend reported in the corresponding paper – so the diamonds should be shifted to the left by about a year. The 33 year trend through 2011 is +0.14 °C/decade.)
The notion in the blog post that surface temperature datasets are somehow robust and pristine is remarkable. I encourage readers to check out papers such as my examination of the Central California and East African temperature records. Here I show, by using 10 times as many stations utilized in the popular surface temperature datasets, that recent surface temperature trends are highly overstated in these regions (Christy et al. 2006; 2009). We also document how surface development disrupts the formation of the nocturnal boundary layer in many ways, leading to warming nighttime temperatures.
That’s enough for now. The Washington Post blogger, in my view, is writing as a convinced advocate, not as a curious scientist or impartial journalist. But, you already knew that.
In addition to the above, I (Roy) would like to address comments made by Ben Santer in the Washington Post blog:
A second misleading claim the (UAH) press release makes is that it’s simply not possible to identify the human contribution to global warming, despite the publication of studies that have done just that. “While many scientists believe it [warming] is almost entirely due to humans, that view cannot be proved scientifically,” Spencer states.
Ben Santer, a climate researcher at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California, said Spencer and Christy are mistaken. “People who claim (like Roy Spencer did) that it is “impossible” to separate human from natural influences on climate are seriously misinformed,” he wrote via email. “They are ignoring several decades of relevant research and literature. They are embracing ignorance.” “Many dozens of scientific studies have identified a human “fingerprint” in observations of surface and lower tropospheric temperature change,” Santer stated.
In my opinion, the supposed “fingerprint” evidence of human-caused warming continues to be one of the great pseudo-scientific frauds of the global warming debate. There is no way to distinguish warming caused by increasing carbon dioxide from warming caused by a more humid atmosphere responding to (say) naturally warming oceans responding to a slight decrease in maritime cloud cover (see, for example, “Oceanic Influences on Recent continental Warming“).
Many papers indeed have claimed to find a human “fingerprint”, but upon close examination the evidence is simply consistent with human caused warming — while conveniently neglecting to point out that the evidence would also be consistent with naturally caused warming. This disingenuous sleight-of-hand is just one more example of why the public is increasingly distrustful of the climate scientists they support with their tax dollars.
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Hi Stephen
Dave Springer has not answered so he probably realizes that his theory does not work.
And yes, I agree with you, although I do not consider it scientifically proven that the net effect of more CO2 is warming rather than cooling, especially because CO2 also cools air by taking part in photo sythesis. Nobody has any (measured) figures when I asked them to prove to me that the net effect is one of warming rather than cooling.
http://www.letterdash.com/HenryP/the-greenhouse-effect-and-the-principle-of-re-radiation-11-Aug-2011
The collection of the daily data from 1974 (mostly) from the 20 odd weather stations from the internet was of course most of the work in my tables.
http://www.letterdash.com/HenryP/henrys-pool-table-on-global-warming
Now that everything has been collected it would be possible to revisit those excel files and cut up the graphs (in excel) by selecting the data from certain time periods and establish the change in degrees C per annum during those specific time frames.(excel calculates the regression automatically when you ask it do it)
1973 is the earliest time where I could find reliable recorded daily data, in most cases.
My question to you is: if I were to cut up my tables in different time frames (from 1974), each time frame giving me a new set of tables, which time periods would you chose and why?
I believe it was about a decade ago (or more) that I came to the realization [not original with me] that those who studied the data did not believe in AGW/ACC and those who studied the models did. As someone who has done a fair amount of data work and a fair amount of computer work in my life, I found that to be a predictable phenomenon.
A computer model is only a reflection of the biases of the programmer. I have always said if you give me a data set and a targeted result, and I will build you a computer model that will use that data to predict that result. I realize that I may be a bit cynical of these AGW “scientists” [I tend to think of them more as mysticists], but I am always concerned when science and politics join hands.
As for computer model builders, I am reminded of the old Groucho Marx line: “Those are my principles, and if you don’t like them… well, I have others.”
Thanks to Dr. Spencer and Prof. Christy for this information. It is unlikely to be discussed in the politically correct media–at least not objectively or honestly.
@Stephen Fisher Wilde
“Water in liquid form in the oceans is the real determinant of the global atmospheric temperature.”
Water in all its forms. Water vapor puts an upper limit on atmospheric temperature which is very important. We’d be cooking in our own juices without clouds acting like in iris in response to ocean temperature. The effective albedo of the ocean is close to zero. Clouds give the planet an effective albedo around 35%. Solar insolation has actually increased around 10% over geologic time yet here we are in an ice age which is a rare condition for the planet. Albedo is the big kahuna. Frozen water on the other hand has a positive feedback on falling temperature again because of its albedo which is close to 90% versus liquid water being close to 0%. Once the ice gets the upper hand then non-condensing greenhouse gasses play their most important role. Volcanism doesn’t cease during a snowball earth episode and the accumulation over millions of years CO2 emission with sinks all frozen and volcanic soot on the ice gradually lowering its albedo eventually triggers a melt. The net result is that a liquid ocean is the rule with temperatures in a regime friendly for life depite the fact that insolation is constantly rising over geologic spans of time.
HenryP says:
December 23, 2011 at 8:43 am
“The long and short of it is that your theory does not hold up. Islands in the oceans behave exactly the same as land.”
You don’t understand the theory then. It doesn’t predict islands should behave like water. How on earth do you get that? That said islands certainly DO NOT have climates similar to continental interiors at the same latitude. I have no idea what point you are even trying to make. What you write is coming across as nonsense.
Henry@DaveSpringer
Well, I don’t remember now exactly but you or someone said: GHG’s (CO2/H2O/O2/O3) have little effect over the oceans as the oceans only give up 20% of the solar heating through radiation. Supposedly the balance comes from land surfaces. Remember that the above substances all absorb in the 14-16 um range where we see earth’s missing radiation.
Now, at the time I was still looking for a reason as to why I am finding a big difference in SH and NH, i.e. virtually no warming in the SH. 70% of earth is ocean and most of the land is in the NH and most of the sea area is in the SH. So, there was a reason for me to think from that statement: There was my missing link.
I decided to look at 4 islands in the oceans, namely Marion island,Eeaster island (SH) Marcus island and Curacoa (NH).
If you or someone or if the AGW theory would somehow be correct, I should be finding the same type of warming or cooling at all 4 islands the same: they are small, in a big ocean, so they have or should adopt the temps as if I were measuring just above the ocean itsself.
I am saying that that did not work out. The NH islands behave similar to the results I am getting for the NH in general and the SH islands have the same results as what I am finding in the SH in general.
Subsequently I posed my new theory as explanation for the difference between NH and SH, here:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/12/21/ben-santers-damage-control-on-uah-global-temperature-data/#comment-839937
So, what we see is happening from my dataset is that more (solar) heat went into the SH oceans and is taken away by current weather systems to the NH. That is why the NH is warming and that is why the SH does not warm.
Eearlier on, Stephen Wilde agreed with my theory as posed above as it is apparently consistent with his own observations about weather patterns.
PS @Dave
I am only looking at warming or cooling rates, not climate.
http://www.letterdash.com/HenryP/henrys-pool-table-on-global-warming
Henry@Stephen Fisher Wilde
My question to you is: if I were to cut up my tables in different time frames (from 1974), each time frame giving me a new set of tables, which time periods would you chose and why?
PS@all of you still oogling and googling here at WUWT
MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY HOLIDAYS
The issue as to whether or not there is a “human footprint” – or at least one due to assumed back radiation – should be settled once and for all by Professor Claes Johnson’s note on “Computational Blackbody Radiation” http://www.csc.kth.se/~cgjoh/blackbodyslayer.pdf which is also supported by Prof. Nasif Nahle’s paper “Observations on Backradiation During Nighttime and Daytime” http://principia-scientific.org/publications/New_Concise_Experiment_on_Backradiation.pdf . Having studied both these, I consider the physics sound and defy anyone to fault either of them.
Radiation carries temperature information in the cut off frequency as shown by Wien’s Displacement Law. That with frequencies below the cut off for the surface will not be absorbed. In effect, it is turned around in its tracks and re-emitted with the same frequency, just as if reflected. Absolutely none of it is converted to thermal energy, because 100% of the energy remains in the radiation which then exits backs into the atmosphere. On the other hand, high energy short wavelength direct solar radiation will be converted to thermal energy by ionisation processes (which involve dislodging electrons) and will penetrate to some extent with more radiation energy being converted to thermal energy the greater the penetration – a bit like X-rays.
Hence all warming is caused by solar insolation and nothing at all by back radiation of “second-hand” energy previously radiated from the surface but now reduced to lower energy levels by the time it gets back. Indeed, the whole concept of similar IR radiation competing with itself in opposite directions (rather than just a net upward flow) is questionable. Measurements of so-called downwelling back radiation could well be totally incorrect if the instrument measures frequency from which temperature and then radiation levels are supposed to be derived.
So, there is no physical basis for any atmospheric greenhouse effect. What makes your car hot in the Sun is trapped air (warmed by molecular collision processes) which cannot escape by convection.
Doug Cotton
Doug Cotton says:
In effect, it is turned around in its tracks and re-emitted with the same frequency, just as if reflected
Hi Doug
Amazing, that statement is the correct observation and conclusion I have also made:
http://www.letterdash.com/HenryP/the-greenhouse-effect-and-the-principle-of-re-radiation-11-Aug-2011
Would you do me a favor: could you read my report also? Do you agree with everything I say in that report quoted above? Or do you still say that there is no warming or cooling effect from that reflection itself? Surely, there must be, however small it may be?
(I think basically, in the case of CO2, the radiative cooling and warming may cancel each other out, leaving a net zero effect or very close to zero)
Henry@ur momisugly Dave Springer
In hind sight:
So, what we see is happening from my dataset is that more (solar) heat went into the SH oceans and is taken away by current weather systems to the NH. That is why the NH is warming and that is why the SH does not warm.
that should be:
So, what we see is happening from my dataset is that more (solar) heat went into the SH oceans and is taken away by WATER currents AND/OR weather systems to the NH. That is why the NH is warming and that is why the SH does not warm.
Doug Cotton says:
And, why do you think you are at all qualified to judge this? Frankly, the rest of your post shows you don’t know the first thing about physics. You (and Johnson and Nahle) have ideas of how radiation works for which there is zero empirical evidence and tons and tons of evidence to the contrary. You can’t just make up physics to suit what you want to believe.
Joel Shore says;
You (and Johnson and Nahle) have ideas of how radiation works for which there is zero empirical evidence and tons and tons of evidence to the contrary.
Henry@joel
Joel, that is name calling. That is a cop out.
Here we want to see arguments.
Bring it on.
HenryP: It really isn’t worth my wasting any more time on this. If you can’t see that it is based on nonsense and not physics, then I encourage you to spread it far and wide telling scientists that it is represents the best thinking of “AGW skeptics”. If you just make up laws of physics to suit your fancy, you can show anything you want. Have fun!
Joeln if you have read all my comments on this thread and knew how much work went into my tables I am sure you would re-think your comments here.
HenryP: I appreciate that you (and Doug Cotton, whose statements I was actually commented on) may have expended a lot of effort on your work. However, unfortunately, effort is not enough to make it correct. Doug has simply invented out of whole cloth an entirely new physics, in stark contradiction to the currently understood laws of physics, with no empirical justification whatsoever.
There is no evidence whatsoever that radiation carries information about the temperature of the object from which it was emitted except in a statistical sense. There is no evidence whatsoever to support Doug’s notions about when energy will and will not be absorbed. I really don’t know what else one can say. If one is allowed to invent new laws of physics, with no empirical evidence, willy-nilly, then one can make all sorts of outlandish claims. I prefer instead to stick with the laws of physics that have actually been shown to give very accurate understanding of what we observe empirically.
Joel, Doug ignored my request to comment on my report abt thr GH effect. So I would love to hear your comment on it? ( See my comment to Doug earlier)
Joel, it seems Doug did not read my report
on the GHG effect. Could I ask you to read and
tell me what you think of it?
Henry: The best thing I can say about your paper is that I find it to be pretty confused. For example, what does this sentence even mean: “Also, I think the actual heat caused by the sun’s IR at 4-5 could be underestimated, e.g. the radiation of the sun between 4 and 5 is maybe only 1% but how many watts per m2 does it cause?” When scientists talk about the amount of radiation in a certain wavelength band, they are generally talking about the fraction of power in that band.
As for the absorption of incoming sunlight by CO2 and other greenhouse gases: Yes, that occurs but it is (at least for CO2) a pretty small effect…and, it is accounted for in calculations of the radiative effect of a change in CO2. In other words, the quantitative calculations that you desire to be done have already been done. By the way, here is a good graph showing the spectrum of incoming radiation from the sun and outgoing radiation from the Earth’s surface and the absorption of the various elements in the atmosphere: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Atmospheric_Transmission.png I don’t see any evidence for any significant CO2 absorption bands at fractions of a nm. My guess is that the magnitude of the effect in the paper that you link to is too small to be relevant.
Also, to comment on the re-radiation part of your piece: While this may be a confusion for non-scientists, all scientists working in the field well understand that the greenhouse gases both absorb and radiate and all calculations take this into account.
Henry@joel
Guess? We don’t do that. Calculations?
Have not seen anything that shows me the balance sheet for each GHG.
Where is it?
You cannot throw all of them together in one pot,
How do know if the CO2 is cooling or warming?
I cannot check ur ref. In the country now.
No computer. Suggest you check main blog
http://www.letterdash.com/henryp/more-carbondioxide-is-ok-ok
Happy New Year
Joel, just out of curiosity, what do you consider a scientist to be? You seem to have a stereotype of such a thing as well as a stereotype of a non-scientist. Is it based on degree only? Occupation only? What is your criteria please.
HenryP: You might start by looking at MODTRAN: http://geoflop.uchicago.edu/forecast/docs/Projects/modtran.doc.html I don’t know whether or not this old version of the code that is publicly available has the features that you would need to do what you want to do, but you could see.
But a little hint to you: If something is so well-accepted that even Richard Lindzen and Roy Spencer agree with it, then your chances of finding something counter to it are less than zero. And, it is not like Lindzen and Spencer have shown intense discretion in their willingness to embrace ideas that go along with their strongly-held bias that AGW is not an issue. That they accept the forcing due to doubling CO2 is about 4 W/m^2 ought to tell you something.
Joel – I Iooked at all that. They made assumption for water vapor.
They ignored oxygen-ozone absorption. They ignored radiative cooling.
They ignored cooling of air by CO2 due to life cycle.
You see what I am saying? You cannot calculate that which has
never been measured first..
http://www.letterdash.com/henryp/more-carbon-dioxide-is-ok-ok
Henry: I really don’t know what to say at this point. If you want to waste your time arguing points where even Roy Spencer and Richard Lindzen concede the conventional scientific wisdom is correct, then have fun! I am not sure who you are trying to convince, but whatever.