CTVNews.ca Staff
Date: Sun. Nov. 27 2011 10:08 PM ET
Canada will announce next month that it will formally withdraw from the Kyoto Protocol, CTV News has learned.
The Harper government has tentatively planned an announcement for a few days before Christmas, CTV’s Roger Smith reported Sunday evening.
The developments come as Environment Minister Peter Kent prepares for a climate conference in Durban, South Africa that opens on Monday, with delegates from 190 countries seeking a new international agreement for cutting emissions.
h/t to WUWT reader Howard B
Related:
via Slashdot – “Alberta’s $60 million carbon-cutting program is failing, according to the latest report from the Canadian province’s auditor-general, Merwan Saher. A news article in Nature adds: ‘the province, despite earlier warnings, has not improved its regulatory structure — and calls the emissions estimates and the offsets themselves into question.'”
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I wouldn’t celebrate yet. They still plan to cut GHG by attacking the coal industry, cement, oilsands, and gas industry. The only reason they’re not signing onto kyoto is because others won’t. Or sign it in a second. What we as the people need, is an organization to sue government individuals and these treehugger outfits for the economic damages they cause.
crosspatch says:
November 27, 2011 at 11:13 pm
Manfred says:
November 27, 2011 at 9:39 pm
Here’s a novel idea: Replace EVERY coal power plant right now with nuclear….
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We really need to get our rear-ends in gear and make thorium nuclear commercial. That is where China, Japan and India are headed. The USA had looked at a thorium fulled aircraft sixty years or so ago which is where a lot of the technology comes from.
http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf62.html
a bit of history: http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/12/ff_new_nukes/all/1
A blog full of links and a video: http://atomicinsights.com/2011/10/lftr-in-five-minutes-is-thorium-better-than-a-silver-bullet-energy-solution.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AtomicInsights+%28Atomic+Insights%29
Blak is spinning so furiously he makes Sleeping Beauty seem feasible.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15894948
A BBC link.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity/2011/11/do-you-think-the-kyoto-protocol-is-the-past.html
ClimateForAll says:
November 27, 2011 at 11:37 pm
Just wanted to talk science for a minute..
Have had enough politics for the holidays.
I would have thought this would be already talked about, but here goes….
____________________Yes it was talked about when ut first hit about a month? ago. It was linked to this: https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2011/09/09/strange-discrepancies-in-co2-measurement/
Canada is a Hockey & Beer nation. As the legends go, the Lord’s prophet, Don Cherry, came down from the Air Canada Centre and gave 13 commandments to two great Canadians, Bob and Doug McKenzie, while they were ice fishing, up North, at the lake by their cabin;
1. Mann shalt not make graven images of a Hockey Stick.
2. CO2 is harmless and it’s falling over, after a case of beer, what gives you a hangover.
Unfortunately, they fell over after the first two commandants and since then Canadians practice this “falling over” each week, usually after watching Hockey Night in Canada.
Also, according to legend, the prophet Don Cherry stressed the importance of throwing down Hockey Sticks and settling issues mann-to-man on the ice.
I hereby declare this forever more to be known as “Poutine Day”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poutine
Bon Appetite mon ami 🙂
ClimateForAll says:
November 28, 2011 at 1:14 am
@garymount
Thanks, but you do get my point though…..
Jo wrote that over three weeks ago, yet not a single major paper picked up on it…..
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You send it to the Tea Party and then you send it to the Congress/Parliament critters. You then hit all the SMALL newspapers you can especially in farming towns. It is a pat on the back to the farming communities “OUR HEROES!” sort of thing.
Also thanks for the link to the actual paper that was missing on the first go round.
If one were to accept the IPCC’s figures (a pretty big “if”) each tonne of carbon dioxide emissions will lead to a global temperature change of 0.0000000000015 degrees Celsius. (1.5E-12)
Therefore, had Canada met its Kyoto target, global temperature increase would have been averted by 0.000243 degrees C.
Kyoto, despite all the noise, is a ridiculously trivial agreement.
crosspatch says:
November 27, 2011 at 11:13 pm
Here’s a novel idea: Replace EVERY coal power plant right now with nuclear. That would bring electricity production to 0 carbon. That gives another 30 to 40 years for wind and solar and other renewables to catch up in efficiency but in the meantime eliminates CO2 generated by electricity production of CO2 is really the issue.
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Urederra says:
November 28, 2011 at 2:54 am
Here is another idea. Stop acting like if CO2 were a pollutant. It is not. It is the only source of C and the primary source of O for the living organisms.
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It is a put your money where your mouth is sort of thing.
If you think CO2/oil is so bad then give me your house keys and car keys and start undressing ’cause you are wearing synthetics made of oil… I pulled that on a loud mouth pontificating at a convention. I thought she was going to choke to death or have a heart attack on the spot.
Elementaryteacher says:
November 28, 2011 at 6:54 am
I always thought money spent fighting climate change was just like throwing a virgin into a volcano.
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The virgin ===> volcano is preferred. It costs less and kills a lot fewer people. Perhaps we should try a new version of the tried and true volcano scenario. Start tossing politicians into the volcano.
“Delegates at the conference will also be hammering out the details of a plan to administer the Green Climate Fund, money that is to help poor countries deal with climate change. The fund is expected to grow over the next eight years to eventually distribute about $100 billion a year. However, it is still unclear where all of that money will come from and how it will be distributed”
I think in reality the Climate Fund is money that will also help poor countries buy cheap chinese made weapons. Sure some will go to build a few wind turbines for the international media and give the Western leftys a warm fuzzy feeling, but some of the money will be siphoned away for things like AK47s which can now be bought for about $5 each. I don’t trust this Climate Fund and I really don’t trust the UN pencil-pushers who plan tho be the ones who control it. This plan does not pass my sniff test, I sense another UN corruption scandle in the future and the Climate Fund will be smack in the middle of it. Just watch.
If you were a military dictator getting cash to build a few wind turbines, what would you do?
For a view on what the Canadian public thinks about Kyoto, have a skim through the comments on the Globe and Mail’s coverage of this story:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/climate-groups-to-canada-commit-to-kyoto-or-stay-home/article2252151/
For those not familiar, the Globe and Mail is a center-left newspaper, similar to the New York Times, which makes the tone of commentary even more impressive.
Russ R.
I don’t think I’d characterize the New York Times as a center-left newspaper. They pretty much drink any Kool-Aid they can find.
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/11/28/tasha-kheiriddin-how-kyoto-accord-got-lost-in-the-smog/
Looking forward to Rex Murphy’s take on CGII
It took some digging, but I found a article written by a fellow Canadian, by the name of Dr.Tim Ball, covering the subject related to the GOSAT/JAXA Co2 paper, i.e. Takagi et al. 2011
Whether It Is Warming or Climate Change, It Cannot Be the CO2
by Dr. Tim Ball 11/19/11
Recently a Japanese Research Institute published a satellite map of sources of CO2 emissions. It was virtually ignored by the mainstream media, but that has become an inverse measure of its significance to the climate debate. It showed a pattern that most would not expect because of the misleading information presented by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) amplified by most media. Producers of the research illustrate the problem.
“The head of the research institute, Yasuhiro Sasano, says he hopes the map will help display how much each region needs to reduce its CO2 emissions in the future.”
This is only a politically correct comment because the map illustrates the exact opposite, CO2 emission reduction is not required where the IPCC recommend. John O’Sullivan correctly drew attention to this dilemma, however, the results are logical if known science is applied.
Continue reading the story here:
http://lewrockwell.com/orig11/ball-t8.1.1.html
GO CANUCKS!
The Harper government would never had done it while they were a minority, but now that they are elected for 4 to 5 years, they can sweep the Kyoto rubbish in the trash. Great news! And hopefully an inspiration for other countries. There is much political hypocrisy in the world about the Kyoto Protocol.
Now, let’s brace ourselves for an onslaught of denunciations from the overwhelmingly leftist Canadian media.
I hope this means we will get rid of the Global Warming/Climate Change propaganda on the envirronment Canada web site:
http://www.climatechange.gc.ca/default.asp?lang=En&n=E18C8F2D-1
@CFA
http://drtimball.com/2011/whether-it-is-warming-or-climate-change-it-cannot-be-the-co2/
and
http://drtimball.com/2011/ipcc-climate-claims-falsified-by-2010-record-high-co2-levels/
“Now, let’s brace ourselves for an onslaught of denunciations from the overwhelmingly leftist Canadian media.”
I say bring it.
“now that they are elected for 4 to 5 years, they can sweep the Kyoto rubbish in the trash. ”
Yea but this is Canada, where a majority federal government is essentially a five year dictatorship. If the right leaning Tories believed that Cap&Trade, or a carbon tax or carbon controls would win them the next election they would ram it down our throats and their is nothing we could do about it. It does not matter which side they are on, left or right. They have a dictatorship.
Don’t let your guard down, ever. Not in Canada.
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/climate-groups-to-canada-commit-to-kyoto-or-stay-home/article2252151/comments/
♫ climategate is here again ♫
climate science – the new oxymoron.
“have been temporary closed “
The Wall Street Journal has a great article on CAGW = Religion:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203935604577066183761315576.html
“Take this protocol and shove it”, to paraphrase Johnny Paycheck.
I AM CANADIAN.
Now if we can just get Harper to hold the $400 million green funding and put it toward a Royal Commission of inquiry, How did this psuedo science get accepted as policy quality ? Who signed off on behalf of Canada accepting this dreck?.Who amongst our protection agencies did even the most basic data checking to protect the tax payer? Why are our self styled intellectials so scientifically illiterate?Who shall be accountable for the cost?Why should Environment Canada and CBC continue to be funded by my tax dollars in light of their total betrayal of their mandates on this matter?The climate gate emails/ wikileaks are all the evidence of CBCs agenda needed.Propaganda from the constantly biased corp is not a thing I wish to keep funding.