BREAKING: Canada to pull out of Kyoto Protocol

CTVNews.ca Staff

Date: Sun. Nov. 27 2011 10:08 PM ET

Canada will announce next month that it will formally withdraw from the Kyoto Protocol, CTV News has learned.

The Harper government has tentatively planned an announcement for a few days before Christmas, CTV’s Roger Smith reported Sunday evening.

The developments come as Environment Minister Peter Kent prepares for a climate conference in Durban, South Africa that opens on Monday, with delegates from 190 countries seeking a new international agreement for cutting emissions.

Read more: http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20111127/durban-south-africa-slimate-conference-setup-111127/#ixzz1eyQ9c2fE

h/t to WUWT reader Howard B

Related:

via Slashdot – Alberta’s $60 million carbon-cutting program is failing, according to the latest report from the Canadian province’s auditor-general, Merwan Saher. A news article in Nature adds: ‘the province, despite earlier warnings, has not improved its regulatory structure — and calls the emissions estimates and the offsets themselves into question.'”

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With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!

Canada had to get out before 2012. I am glad to see we have done so.

Manfred

Europe’s $287bn carbon ‘waste’:
UBS report by: Sid Maher From: The Australian November 23, 2011
SWISS banking giant UBS says the European Union’s emissions trading scheme has cost the continent’s consumers $287 billion for “almost zero impact” on cutting carbon emissions, and has warned that the EU’s carbon pricing market is on the verge of a crash next year.
In a damning report to clients, UBS Investment Research said that had the €210bn the European ETS had cost consumers been used in a targeted approach to replace the EU’s dirtiest power plants, emissions could have been reduced by 43 per cent “instead of almost zero impact on the back of emissions trading”.

Clive

Great news.
Alberta is spending way too much on the folly of CCS and continuing to allow no end of wind projects. The Alberta and federal governments are still plagued with liberal, warmists at high levels of the bureaucracies–and these scoundrels direct ignorant politicians. But this is good news … for a change. I hope this is not a false alarm.
In any case, the liberal left newspapers will try to make a big deal about his. Let us hope that Peter and Stephen stand firm.
Clive

Excellent. I feel even prouder to be a Canadian today!!

I was happy to see this headline, but saddened by the way CTV reports this.
Airing Elizabeth (there are only 1 or 2 things wrong with the IPCC reports, & we must ban WiFi) Mays’ reaction, calling it sabotage, amongst other nonsense.

Howard B

Oh yeah baby! Gotta ask Elisabeth May how it feels to be an MP tomorrow.
I feel even worse for the folks in Oz now.

Jim D

Now they can use their oil sands to become the next Saudi Arabia and benefit from a warmer world in the process. It makes perfect sense (for them).

neill

Anthony, you’re truly a mensch. Get some sleep. We need you.

Canada, Japan, and Russia are refusing to even discuss the next round.

Allan MacRae

Great news and long overdue.
The global warming scammers have had their day.
Congrats to Tom Harris and the ICSC.
http://www.climatescienceinternational.org/

Now that’s leadership.

lol, a great Christmas present for the loons in Durban.

crosspatch

Manfred says:
November 27, 2011 at 9:39 pm

Here’s a novel idea: Replace EVERY coal power plant right now with nuclear. That would bring electricity production to 0 carbon. That gives another 30 to 40 years for wind and solar and other renewables to catch up in efficiency but in the meantime eliminates CO2 generated by electricity production of CO2 is really the issue. Use a system like France where your spent fuel is reprocessed and recycled ON THE FACILITY. No moving of any nuclear fuel around after the initial fuel load, the only thing you bring in after that is natural uranium.
See “Smarter Use of Nuclear Waste” Scientific American December 2005 available at a Google near you.
If CO2 is such a threat to our survival, you have the means at hand right now to drastically cut the production of it in Australia. But my guess is that it isn’t really *about* CO2 at all.

Ian Hoder

It’s good news but even in the conservative government there are plenty of alarmist bureaucrats drooling about how much tax money they can waste on “Global Warming” projects. The fight is far from over.

Willis Eschenbach

YES! Well done, my northern friends, congratulations. Timing of the leak is perfect. Heck, it might even happen.
w.

nc

Don’t start celebrating yet they haven’t let loose of the scam yet
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/11/27/durban-kent-cp.html?cmp=rss
What is interesting about this CBC news release comments are not allowed. Usually comments are allowed on news releases but the CBC in very biased towards Mann caused global warming .
There are comments allowed in the following release and it is interesting to notice more comments against Mann caused climate change are increasing over time but the CBC only rarely lets a skeptic news release through, and only with a caveat. http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/11/27/durban-climate-change.html?cmp=rss
I have also read, Harper, the Prime Minister of Canada is donating millions to fight climate change in developing counties but he is using the climate change moniker with the aid that these countries would get anyhow so walks the vote gettin fence. If he wasen’t a politician I think the whole Mann caused climate change would disappear on the federal level. He is not stupid, Canada and Sweden are about the most stable countries in this so called world wide economic crisis along with a recovering Iceland which told the banks where to stick it.

I thought that was imminent. There are other countries too, including the USA, India, S.Korea and others. I doubt if UK will sign up. The European parliament won’t agree to increase carbon emissions, so what hope is there. Yes feel sorry for Australia caught with its breeches down.
But if we can’t remove this carbon tax by July, just remember it will take years to implement an international carbon trading scheme, by then and hopefully, cross my fingers, pray to God, and
my legs, the Coalition will repeal the carbon tax regulation,.

Just wanted to talk science for a minute..
Have had enough politics for the holidays.
I would have thought this would be already talked about, but here goes.
Here is a video from NHK WORLD :
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/fixed/asx/30_13_512k.asx
Here is the news story from NHK WORLD:
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/30_13.html
CO2 density map created using satellite data
A Japanese research group has created a world map which shows estimated carbon dioxide emissions in each region using for the first time data acquired by a satellite.
The group at the National Institute for Environmental Studies estimated regional CO2 emissions by combining data from Japan’s Global Gases Observing Satellite, Ibuki, and ground observation data collected for a year from June 2009.
Of 64 regions on the map, those where CO2 emissions exceeded CO2 absorption are shown in red and regions where emissions were less than absorption are marked in green.
The researchers found that CO2 absorption in high latitude regions in the northern hemisphere, including Russia’s Siberia, was higher than earlier estimated. They add that greater CO2 emissions were observed in regions near the equator.
The researchers say satellite data allowed them to reduce errors in estimated emissions. Ground data are collected at 139 locations which are distributed unevenly throughout the world.
The head of the research institute, Yasuhiro Sasano, says he hopes the map will help display how much each region needs to reduce its CO2 emissions in the future.
Sunday, October 30, 2011 14:03 +0900 (JST)
If I understand this correctly, the Third World countries emit the highest amounts of Co2 or unable to absorb Co2 and the Industrialized World better absorbs or produces lesser Co2 than previously thought.
This should produce a bunch of head jerking.

southerncross

You lucky lucky Bastards
I think this Aussie might need to emigrate if this Loony left Govt down here is not shown the door soon.

Or how about the French getting in on the subject of the Co2 absorption from JAXA:
http://aerospace.firetrench.com/2011/11/on-estimating-global-monthly-carbon-dioxide-fluxes-by-region-utilizing-the-observational-data-obtained-by-ibuki/
Firetrench Aerospace & Defence
i) With the addition of the GOSAT observational data to the ground-based
monitoring data, significant uncertainty reduction was achieved in the
monthly regional CO2 flux estimates. It is expected that continuous CO2
monitoring by GOSAT and further refinement of the data processing
methods will lead to effective monitoring of variations in monthly
regional CO2 fluxes.
ii) In particular, uncertainties of CO2 fluxes estimated for South America,
Africa, the Near and Middle East, and Asia have been reduced by as much
as about 50% (annual average) with the addition of the GOSAT data to the
ground-based monitoring data.
iii) The seasonal trends of summertime CO2 uptake associated with plant
photosynthesis and wintertime CO2 emission in high latitudinal regions of
the northern hemisphere are broadly consistent with past findings. It is
expected that the response of terrestrial biosphere to future climate
change, in terms of changes in flux amounts, may be detected in its early
stage with continuing observation by GOSAT and further refinements in the
data processing methods.
iv) The global annual flux for the period of June 2009 to May 2010 was
evaluated at around 4 gigatons of carbon per year, which is almost
equivalent to the values calculated from the growth rates of CO2
concentrations in the atmosphere for this period. The validity of this
annual flux and the contributions of anthropogenic emissions or fluxes of
natural origin will be the subject of further investigations.
v) Monthly fluxes calculated from the GOSAT data and the ground-based
monitoring data in some regions show differences to those calculated from
only the ground-based monitoring data. It is expected that continuous
monitoring by GOSAT and further research undertakings will yield further
understanding of the CO2 flux behavior.

And lastly, I found the PDF for GOSAT that was sent for peer-review to
Scientific Online Letters on the Atmosphere
On Estimating Global Monthly Carbon Dioxide Fluxes by Region,
utilizing the observational data obtained by
the Greenhouse gases Observing SATellite “IBUKI” (GOSAT)
http://www.gosat.nies.go.jp/eng/related/download/GOSAT_L4_Release_en.pdf
This almost restores my faith in JAXA, but we shall see.
If this story didn’t reach us by usual channels, then someone doesn’t want it to be
circulated.
GET TO CIRCULATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yellowhead

Yes Virginia…….. there is a Santa Clause and he gave me what I asked for, for Christmas.

Pete H

Makes the Australian Prime Minister look even more stupid! Nice one Canucks!

Understand this,
This article has more potential to upset the talks at Durban than the 5000+ emails recently released.
SOLA, 2011, Vol. 7, 161−164, doi:10.2151/sola.2011-041 161
On the Benefit of GOSAT Observations to the Estimation of Regional CO2
Fluxes
H. Takagi, T. Saeki, T. Oda, M. Saito, V. Valsal, D. Belikov, R. Saito, Y. Yoshida
, I. Morino, O. Uchino, R. J. Andres, T. Yokota, and S. Maksyutov
National Institute for Environmental Studies, Tsukuba, Japan
Oak Ridge National Laboratory, Oak Ridge, Tennessee, USA
http://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/sola/7/0/161/_pdf

Wil

As a fellow that works the oil sands here in Fort McMurray, Alberta – our conservative PM Harper just gave Obama and his green shaft scams the ultimate finger. Man, I’d like to be a fly on the wall in Durban as this gets around the Europeans – if you ever heard pigs sequel then there are gonna be a whole lot of EU pigs squealing at their very best. What a great day to be a Canadians!
But its gonna be a whole lot sweeter for us here in Alberta when every one of those CBC/Toronto AGW fanatics have a national break down – And I’m gonna be there for every moment! And Anthony – you were all over this news before I was even aware anything like this had even occurred. I’m starting to think you’re a robot – I live in the far west and I’m tired and sleepy. BUt You’re still going like that damn bunny –

If you want to watch the Durban conference,
they are having a live feed here:
http://unfccc4.meta-fusion.com/kongresse/cop17/templ/live.php?id_kongresssession=4152
They are about to have a Welcoming Ceremony at the moment.

Harper’s the MAN. I may disagree with some of his posturing, but on this account he’s coming through as promised. This puts Canada in a position of leadership regarding climate kookiness.

Paul Westhaver

The fight was very tough. Thousands of letters and emails to the PM…. Thousands of letters to activist reporters and editors at Canadian Newspapers since 2004….
letters to the provincial government, city council……
It has been a very long tough fight indeed. so Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
The Green religion has been stopped by a Conservative Government, The last election is when the leftists lost control and the Tory PM is unstoppable.
Now I want an investigation into the misuse of federal money at universities engaged in boondoggle green religious activity.

Larry in Texas

If this is true, good for Canada. I am glad our neighbor to the north sees the folly in green shenanigans like Kyoto. If only our President and his lackeys over at EPA would take a lesson from the Canadians – in more ways than one.

ClimateForAll says:
November 27, 2011 at 11:58 pm
This almost restores my faith in JAXA, but we shall see.
A little caution here: the CO2 balances include a huge natural component, mainly from vegetation growth and decomposition and ocean absorption/release over the seasons. Besides that, there is a continuous CO2 release of the oceans in the tropics and CO2 absorption in the polar seas. The natural fluxes are around 97% of all CO2 fluxes. The human component is only 3%. I wonder if the GOSAT observations have enough accuracy to detect the 3% in the total fluxes. Thus it is a little too early to accuse the developing countries of being the source of the CO2 increase, as most of what we see in the data are natural fluxes. It would be interesting to see the anual average for the different regions, but even then, the question of accuracy remains…

@garymount
Thanks, but you do get my point though.
Jo wrote that over three weeks ago, yet not a single major paper picked up on it.
Not even WUWT.
All I am saying, is that those that are at Durban need to raise this issue up and all the media outlets need to print this story.
Jo can’t do it on her own.
I would walk up into these meetings and ask these delegates if they knew that third world countries are responsible for producing more Co2 than previously known and that the civilized world absorbs more Co2 than previously understood.
That would go over real well.
Hey Durban, its ok lil buddy, produce that evil Co2, the #1 polluter of Co2 seems to have your back and can absorb anything you dish out. 😀

John Marshall

EU has more to worry about than carbon trading and Durban. Everyone, apart from the EU, are drawing up plans for the aftermath of Euro collapse which will cause world problems that climate change can only wish for.
It might get some people back into the real world.

Eric (skeptic)

“The human component is only 3%. I wonder if the GOSAT observations have enough accuracy to detect the 3% in the total fluxes”
Ferdinand, they measured fluxes for a full year so your 3% argument is invalid. If the 3% is truly an unbalanced increase, year over year, they would have measured it.

Edim

Ferdinand, if the human CO2 component is so insignificant (undetectable), compared to the natural fluxes, don’t you think that it’s influence on the atmospheric CO2 is also insignificant?
I don’t think anybody is accusing the developing countries of being the anthropogenic source, the observations is that anthropogenic sources are insignificant, compared to the natural fluxes.

Dave Springer

Justin Credible says:
November 27, 2011 at 9:42 pm
“Excellent. I feel even prouder to be a Canadian today!!”
Yes that’s good news. Some of us in the US may even begin reconsidering our opinion that Mexico is the saner of our two neighbors.
Maybe there’s hope for Australia and Great Britain too. It’s like bizzarro world that eastern Europe has more common sense than our traditional western allies. I mean how utterly strange it is that the president of the Czech Republic, Vaclav Klaus, is the only president in the free world playing with a full deck at the moment. I can’t think of any others right now that’s for sure. Even calling the Czech Republic part of the free world, to say nothing of being a NATO member, is still passing strange for somebody born and raised in the US during The Cold War with the Soviet Union and Mutually Assured Destruction the only think keeping a fragile peace constrained to fighting conventional proxy wars in unlikely third world locations like Korea and Vietnam.
.

Dave Springer

Ferdinand Engelbeen says:
November 28, 2011 at 1:03 am
“A little caution here: the CO2 balances include a huge natural component, mainly from vegetation growth and decomposition and ocean absorption/release over the seasons. Besides that, there is a continuous CO2 release of the oceans in the tropics and CO2 absorption in the polar seas.”
Jah jah. Is just coincidence that most remote places on earth, Antarctica and Mauna Loa, agree down to a couple parts per million of atmospheric CO2 rise. Is also just coincidence that CO2 rise is so reliably close to half of annual anthropogenic emissions it should become some unit of measurement adopted by weights and standards.
Nothing to see there. CO2 is not well mixed and humans have nothing to do with the rise.
Ernst Beck! Rah rah rah cis boom bah!
Don’t forget to wave your pompoms, Ferdinand.

Urederra

crosspatch says:
November 27, 2011 at 11:13 pm
Here’s a novel idea: Replace EVERY coal power plant right now with nuclear. That would bring electricity production to 0 carbon. That gives another 30 to 40 years for wind and solar and other renewables to catch up in efficiency but in the meantime eliminates CO2 generated by electricity production of CO2 is really the issue.

Here is another idea. Stop acting like if CO2 were a pollutant. It is not. It is the only source of C and the primary source of O for the living organisms.

richard verney

Manfred says: November 27, 2011 at 9:39 pm
“…SWISS banking giant UBS says the European Union’s emissions trading scheme has cost the continent’s consumers $287 billion for “almost zero impact” on cutting carbon emissions, and ….. UBS Investment Research said that had the €210bn the European ETS had cost consumers been used in a targeted approach to replace the EU’s dirtiest power plants, emissions could have been reduced by 43 per cent “instead of almost zero impact on the back of emissions trading
/////////////////////////////////////
Says it all.
That is the looney left for you.
It is obvious that phased adaption is much better than attempts at mitigation

Levick

Maple Leaf UP !

Dave Springer

Please wait a couple of months before repealing the Canadian Human Rights Act that made it a crime to make contemptuous posts on the internet. Getting your freedom of speech back too close to rejecting the Kyoto Protocol could throw me into cardiac arrest. I’m feeling faint already. Fortunately I don’t have to wait in line for first class medical attention here. I should run down and get an MRI tomorrow just to be safe and just because I can.

Ric Locke

Ferdinand —
The point here is that it’s a reverse hockey-stick, a compelling graphic that makes a point for the non-warmist version of the process. The warmists understand that, which is why it isn’t being publicized — it’s been out for a month or so.
Regards,
Ric

AJB

Royal Bank of Scotland cancels climate change campaign sponsorship. RBS ends sponsorship of Climate Week following accusations of ‘corporate greenwash’ due to its financing of polluting industries.
Guardian Monday 28 November 2011 08.28 GMT
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/nov/28/royal-bank-scotland-climate-sponsorship

ozspeaksup

The scientifically illiterate Liar running Aus just now, with help from the puppetmaster, will do as she has on EVERY issue re climate so far..spout the IPCC and Best available science waffle yet again..while completely ignoring the fact that science is never settled and info gets thrown out updated and quite often is fraudulent to acheive a goal, usually financial.
her method of countering any serious questions is to speak really s l o w, and repeat repeat repeat a very limited mantra.”climate change is real…and Taxing us “is the right thing for her to do!”
we are leading the world you know…In Stupidity and Ignorance.
I guess B Brown is at Durban crying over everyone, about how hard it is to persuade the masses that hes right,
I hope Durban cops a snowstorm and hes out on the beach!

No point in arguing about radiation physics, CO2 balances, etc. THE PSEUDOSCIENCE WAS NEVER THE PURPOSE OF ALL THIS. It was just a sideshow to impress the yokels, and the yokels are no longer impressed.
Manfred’s note of the UBS report gives us a much better clue as to why the scam is falling apart: The money stopped flowing.
When a huge bank like UBS publicly states that the fraud is no longer profitable, the governments read it. GAME OVER.

John DeFayette

The Canadians will keep bringing up that black gold in Alberta, and they will prosper. Real leaders recognize when it’s time to get out of the way and let folks be productive. One more year and the folks south of the border will be coming around, too.
May I proudly claim my 25% Canook blood now, please?

We need a thread on this story Anthony.
@Ferdinand Engelbeen
3%, 4%, 5%.
If man’s contribution to Co2 output is that little and Co2 is around 393ppm, man makes up less than 20ppm. I suppose i should buckle up for a wild ride.
You remove mans contribution to Co2 and the planet will reach whatever tipping point on its own without our help @ 2ppm per year.
Co2 rise isn’t going to go away.
But this isn’t the story.
The story is the fact that GOSAT data found greater absorption in Co2 where supposedly, we have been told there wasn’t any.
And that the least amount of absorption was in areas where science thought was Co2 sinks.
So, what purpose does it serve to have a wait and see attitude?
Seems to me if the science supported the eco-facist numbnutz, they wouldn’t wait a freaking second.
The story would be, OH MY, ITS WORSE THAN WE THOUGHT ! IT TOO LATE ! WE”RE ALL DOOMED ! ! !
Pretty much what we get now, with poor or little to no science and the media eat it up.
But find a article like the one published in SOLA, and none of the media outlets even mention it.
What is it?
Need time to debunk it?
This article is like a kick in the ball sack.
Game Over !

ThePhysicsGuy

Proud to be 100% Canadian once again.
And yes, I eat gravy on my fries!

klem

That maybe how CTV reports it, but lets see how our great public broadcaster the CBC reports it. I can guarantee you that there will be much fingerpointing and blame from the left CBC toward the conservative government for contributing to the end of the world. I’ll bet they don’t give Peter Kent more than a few seconds of airtime, but they’ll give Elizabeth May and David Suzuki all the airtime they want. I can’t wait to hear from comrade Peter Mansbridge on this one too , and then hear Rex Murphy’s view. This should be entertaining.
Thank G someone in Ottawa is taking the bull by the horns and stop bowing to the interests of the EU. I like selling things to the EU, but they can keep their culture over there thanks.
After the failure of Durban, how will Australia justify its carbon tax and their carbon cops (the so-called green jobs)??