Maybe this is why the US bailed out of the UNFCCC “Green Climate Fund” this week.The science has been “McKibbenized” for quite some time.
Email 340.txt
date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:13:20 -0500
from: “Tom Jacob” <Tom.Jacob@USA.dupont.com>
subject: REFLECTIONS ON THE HAGUE…
to: … schellnhuber@pik-potsdam.de… jonathan.pershing@iea.org, RKinley@unfccc.int, …m.hulme@uea.ac.uk…pachuri@teri.res.in…
munasinghe@worldbank.org…
In The Hague, we saw for the first time organized disruption of the conduct of negotiation and publicly staged confrontations. While organized and deeply committed environmental activism has long been an important part of the UNFCCC process through major groups suchas NRDC, EDF/ED, WWF and Greenpeace, they have operated within the structure as constructive participants in the policy-setting process, along with industry.
It gets worse:
At The Hague, this “inside” role was supplemented by hundreds of young, relatively naïve demonstrators brought in specifically to energize the environmental presence and confront the process. Even some within the ranks of the more established participants — while disavowing the takeover of the negotiating room — saw fit to publicly offer Minister Pronk and the UNFCCC Secretariate a veiled threat of “Seattle” if the process failed to deliver.
In the context of this resurgence of “environmental fundamentalism” it is also interesting to contrast the dynamics of the final give-and-take between the US and the EU in The Hague.
h/t to Tom Nelson
Don’t forget about the carbon pioneer … Enron.
DuPont? That would not be Montreal Protocol DuPont, now would it?
Mooloo
November 26, 2011 at 3:27 pm
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A rather moot point, as they did have patents on products that no one wanted because of cheaper non patented alternatives.
Hehe, have a look at 4626.txt
Bradley doesn’t hide his political leanings at all and Fred Singer doesn’t think too highly of it (as would be expected).
“Is the global warming scare the greatest delusion in history?”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/8917737/Is-the-global-warming-scare-the-greatest-delusion-in-history.html#disqus_thread
Spellling it out. Finishes with :
“This is no longer science worthy of the name. As I wrote when the first Climategate emails appeared in 2009, the global warming scare is far and away the greatest scientific scandal of our generation. When we then contemplate the insanity of the measures the politicians have imposed on us in consequence, we know we are looking at a collective flight from reality which has no precedent in the history of the world.”
I’m runnig out of barf bags. Anyone else having that problem?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2066240/Second-leak-climate-emails-Political-giants-weigh-bias-scientists-bowing-financial-pressure-sponsors.html
“Climategate scientists DID collude with government officials to hide research that didn’t fit their apocalyptic global warming5,000 leaked emails reveal scientists deleted evidence that cast doubt on claims climate change was man-made
Experts were under orders from US and UK officials to come up with a ‘strong message’
Critics claim: ‘The stink of intellectual corruption is overpowering’
Scientist asks, ‘What if they find that climate change is a natural fluctuation? They’ll kill us all'”
The MSM is starting to work out the implications.
Thank you “View from the Solent” for that link!
Kudos to Christopher Booker at Telegraph.co.uk.
Finally someone in the media is picking this up.
Oh, the drivel!
From 2052.txt
Isn’t exactly accurate. It is from 1682.txt from Tommy Wils’ personal gmail account to a U. Arizona mailing list (paydirt????)
That’s a dendro list, by the way. Not likely to be all that interesting.
Back to McIntyre: what to do? Get away from the YES and NO camp, find the humble, middle road. There is a passage in the bible: if someone hits you on your cheek, turn him your other cheek…
Not a humble response, but a teaching from Jesus on taking a stand for equality.
Roman soldiers had the right to hit the subjugated nationals, but no further, typically a backhander which is as dismissive as you can get – by turning the other cheek this move becomes impossible.
The other example of ‘carrying a load for a mile and offering to carry it two’ – again Roman soldiers were allowed to order the subjugated to carry the soldier’s packs, but only for one mile. The offer to carry it for two is again a stand for human dignity – with the added frisson that the soldier can’t accept – he’s the one bound by their laws.
Jesus was an Anarchist. Anarchia meaning without a head, i.e., without another with authority over one. See Matthew, Mark and Luke.
old44 says:
November 26, 2011 at 2:06 pm
Interesting to note that the income for the non-profit groups such as NRDC, EDF/ED, WWF and Greenpeace amount to$A1,180,000,000 p.a.
Pales into insignificance alongside the sceptics take from Big Oil. ” ]
You’ll been spoutin’ this for years. But you can’t seem to backup this claim.
Put your big girl panties on – and stop playin’ in doo – doo.
old44 says:
November 26, 2011 at 2:06 pm
“Interesting to note that the income for the non-profit groups such as NRDC, EDF/ED, WWF and Greenpeace amount to$A1,180,000,000 p.a.”
WOW!! That’s a LOT of money, considering these organizations don’t make things or, in fact, do anything worthwhile. Exactly, what are their “products” anyhow? Oh, that’s right…[LOL!].
Foxgoose says:
November 26, 2011 at 2:05 pm
Reposted from BH
Climatefellas II (h/t to Maurizio Morabito for the title)
Ha ha ha ha……………
But you left out my favorite hit man “da-eraser” Connolley
Oh, but they do make things. They manufacture inefficiency in certain places that make other places that would not be competitive into being more competitive. What they make is market inefficiency in one place in order to cause money to flow in a different direction.
It is much easier to make one place less efficient than it is to make another place more efficient. Sort of like it is easier and takes much lower skill to demolish a building than it takes to design and build one. It is much easier to impede economic activity than it is to stimulate it by active measures. This is all about impeding economic activity in one place so that it flows to a different place.
DesertYote says:
A rather moot point, as they did have patents on products that no one wanted because of cheaper non patented alternatives.
That at least is feasible, though I still haven’t seen these alleged patents.
However DuPont has competitors with serious money. They would fight tooth and nail any change that favoured DuPont over them.
Moreover it took longer to force through the CFC ban than patents last. By the time DuPont won their patents would have expired.
Myrrh says:
November 26, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Jesus was an Anarchist. Anarchia meaning without a head, i.e., without another with authority over one. See Matthew, Mark and Luke.
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Actually, Jesus [SNIP: Chris, from one theological standpoint you are certainly correct, but theology and religion are one of the topics Anthony prefers we don’t discuss here. We made an exception in another thread and it rapidly got out of hand. Sorry. -REP]
I wonder if our friend, FOIA would consider dropping an email/day for the next few years or so from the encrypted file…..Kinda like Chinese water torture!! It would certainly keep our friends constantly on their toes, and provide a unique way of getting some attention driven to this ‘travesty’….no way media sources could ignore such a tact.
old44, if you dont have proof, a post with their address for account recievable would suffice for me.
Chris B says:
November 26, 2011 at 8:15 pm
Myrrh says:
November 26, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Jesus was an Anarchist. Anarchia meaning without a head, i.e., without another with authority over one. See Matthew, Mark and Luke.
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Actually, Jesus [SNIP: Chris, from one theological standpoint you are certainly correct, but theology and religion are one of the topics Anthony prefers we don’t discuss here. We made an exception in another thread and it rapidly got out of hand. Sorry. -REP]
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REP, I agree that this is not the place for discussions of theology or religion, such as whether or not Jesus is an anarchist. However, I feel compelled to counter statements about theology or religion that are allowed to be posted, if I don’t agree with them. Perhaps next time I should just respond that I don’t agree, and that theology and religion are best left off this board.
[REPLY: Thank you. -REP]
Jimmy Haigh says:
November 26, 2011 at 2:56 pm
Oh what delicious… is it irony? The Occupy Wall Street mob are unwitting tools of the 1%.
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I have been trying to tell them that for YEARS.
Maurice Strong, when he was young, worked for YMCA international. The story goes that he got his inspiration for the elite controlled international NGOs from that.
From Hofstra University law professor Peter Spiro
Sure looks lie Peter Spiro was correct.
crosspatch says:
November 26, 2011 at 2:57 pm
I don’t think people yet realize the extent to which UNELECTED bureaucrats are responsible for creating the regulations under which they live and work….
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AMEN!
That is the primary reason I am against a large strong centralized government. In the USA the Federal Government has over four million (4,000,000 ) employees.
Just look at what the FDA and USDA did to US farmers with their “Harmonization” to international laws. SEE: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/24/world-bank-global-warming-journals-and-cru/#comment-808354
What most people do not realize is that, at least in the USA, the bureaucrats (or lobbyists) WRITE the actual laws not Congress. (Congress sort of hand waves and tells the bureaucrats to go ahead) They get away with this by “Publishing” the new Regs. in the Federal Register. If there is no large out cry from the public the reg then becomes LAW. In “the 2010 Federal Register was 81,405 pages long” [wiki]
And who runs the bureaucracy??? Why the bankers and large corporations through the corporate/government revolving door. http://www.cptech.org/ip/health/politics/revolvingdoor.html
Between the Astroturf NGOs run on corporate foundation funds, the corporate run bureaucracy and the corporate funded political candidates is it any wonder people say we now live under “Neo-Corporatism” (It is NOT capitalism but the opposite)
Oh and the really nasty part is with REGULATIONS you get fines and told what you can and can not do WITHOUT a jury trial in most cases. It is a complete end run around the Constitution.
I have yet to find ANYWHERE in the Constitution where bureaucrats have been given the right to run our country. I have only found some rather dicey rulings by the Supreme Court.
Mooloo says:
November 26, 2011 at 3:27 pm
TheGoodLocust says:
DuPont is rather famous for:
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2) Banning CFC’s – their patents had run out
The meme that never dies! Sadly for you, it is total bollocks.
Patents last for 20 years maximum (usually much less) and the important CFC patents ran out in the 50s or before. At very best DuPont had a process patented, but those are easily reverse engineered, so the patents are mostly ego for the scientists…..
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“Patents last for 20 years maximum (usually much less) …
Sorry that is wrong, in the USA patents go for 17 years and can be renewed for an additional 17 years. At least during the time period of the 1970’s (I was working for a company hassling over a patent at the time)
That means it was a max of 36 years not 20 years.
“The critical DuPont manufacturing patent for Freon (“Process for Fluorinating Halohydrocarbons”, U.S. Patent #3258500) was set to expire in 1979.” WIKI – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorofluorocarbon
Reference given is ^ a b “Ethics of Du Pont’s CFC Strategy 1975–1995”, Smith B. Journal of Business Ethics, Volume 17, Number 5, April 1998, pp. 557–568(12)
So yes it looks like the patent was about to run out.
Sad part is that I feel we are all preaching to the choir here, and the converted don’t need this information so much as the average people do. I fear nobody with the resources to reach the masses in the “push” media will deliver this news to the people as those in that line of work tend to share the “progressive” socialist vision.